Well, tonight was as usual a good episode.  So my question for the group is -
If u were in Mackeys place and you arrested someone from the opposite sports
team would you keep them "hostage" until you saw fit?  My answer - YES!!  No
one messes with my Boston sports teams!!
I think Shane is really starting to lose it.  Must be the Irish in him. [yeah
IRISH!!!}  I sense Shane might be the one to let it slip about the cop
killing and Vic might have to take care of him.  Good job to Det. Wyms, kicks
him right where it hurts most.
I had a feeling Officer Lowe was gay.  Who do you think will out him and more
importantly, what do you think the squad will do??
Irishkittyvixen
Group Moderator
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
theshield-talk group:

Who is your favorite cop to date?

   o Det. Vic Mackey
   o Det. Shane Vendrell
   o Curtis "Lemonhead" Lemansky
   o Capt. Daveid Aceveda
   o Det. Holland "Dutch" Wagenbach
   o Officer Danielle "Danny" Sofer
   o Officer Julien Lowe
   o Det. Claudette Wyms


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Thanks!

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
theshield-talk group:

Who is your least favorite cop to date?

   o Det. Vic Mackey
   o Det Shane Vendrell
   o Curtis "Lemonhead" Lemansky
   o Capt. David Aceveda
   o Det. Holland "Dutch" Wagenbach
   o Officer Danielle "Danny" Sofer
   o Officer Julien Lowe
   o Det. Claudette WYms


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Thanks!

I tried to contact FX to ask permission to use a publicity photo for
the home page of our group and to ask where I could get an uploadable
pic.  Their response: stone silence--nada, zilch.  I contacted another
group owner and she told me to be careful because Fox went after
several web sites for unauthorized use of pics--gee, I guess they
don't believe in the old saying "there's no such thing as bad
publicity"!  Anyway, I tried to do it the right way and hit a stone
wall.  Anyone have any ideas?

chemikalmnan

Chemikalman, Group Owner
Irishkittyvixen, Group Moderator

All new episode tonight folks!  Looks good.  Now, after you guys watch it,
think about this.  If you were in Mackeys shoes, would you do what he does
tonight?

Chemikalman
Group Owner
Irishkittyvixen
Group Moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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Hi gang!  We have no clue what is going on, so please forgive us for any
confusion.  I do know one message was sent several times.  Yahoo is playing
games and we're getting a little tired of.  Hopefully this will be cleared up
soon.

Chemikalman
Group Owner
Irishkittyvixen
Group Moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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this is just a test

"Things have slowed down a bit ... nice weather, weekend, between eps?
> Sooooo, I was wondering what would be a good song to have as a theme song?
> How about two categories: 1. songs with best-fitting titles; 2. actual
> theme songs--songs with music/lyrics that would be perfect to play during
> the intro/credits of the show.  Instead of creating another poll, my
> partner, irishkittyvixen, and I thought we'd try to get the discussion off
> high-center and ask our members to chip in with their suggestions.  Just to
> get things going, here are a few possibilities: Livin On The
> Edge-Aerosmith;Another One Bites The Dust-Queen; Welcome to the Jungle-Guns
> and Roses.  We didn't put them into one of the categories ... you can or
> you can come up with your own suggestions.
>
> chemikalman
> Group Owner
> Irishkittyvixen
> Group Moderator"
>

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The following theshield-talk poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Do you think Detective Vic Mackey is a
corrupt cop?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, 2 votes, 20.00%
- No, 1 votes, 10.00%
- He's just misunderstood, 0 votes, 0.00%
- He's going above and beyond the job to catch these scumbags, 4 votes, 40.00%
- I wouldn't want him to arrest me, 3 votes, 30.00%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Yes
      - ragingbutt@...
      - bjohn_apd@...
- No
      - nesteranko@...
- He's just misunderstood
- He's going above and beyond the job to catch these scumbags
      - irishkittyvixen@...
      - ragingbutt@...
      - chemikalman@...
      - jthomsen@...
- I wouldn't want him to arrest me
      - ragingbutt@...
      - MrBond0071@...
      - bjohn_apd@...


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The following theshield-talk poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: It's now been two weeks since "The
Shield" premiered.  What do you think?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Must-see TV, 7 votes, 100.00%
- Too Soon To Tell, 0 votes, 0.00%
- I can live without it, 0 votes, 0.00%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Must-see TV
      - chemikalman@...
      - ragingbutt@...
      - irishkittyvixen@...
      - MrBond0071@...
      - bjohn_apd@...
      - jthomsen@...
      - nesteranko@...
- Too Soon To Tell
- I can live without it


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Hey everyone!  Which line from the series premiere was the funniest,
the most shocking or maybe the most offensive?  Look at the choices
and then cast your vote for the "most memorable" line from the series
opener.

chemikalman

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
theshield-talk group:

What was the most memorable line in the
series premiere?

   o Us? Hey, you're the one getting your pipe smoked by a grieving relative not
10 feet from the body!--Mackey
   o That's funny, I don't remember signing up for an ethics class from a scumbag
drug lawyer.--Mackey
   o Well maybe in your own mind amigo, but in the real world I don't answer to
you ... not today, not tomorrow, not even on Cinco de Mayo!--Mackey
   o OHHH! ... OHHH! ... if you can think of anything else, you just call 911 and
ask for detective blow me!--Vandrell
   o If having all these things means some cop roughs up some nigger or spic in
the ghetto, well, as far as most people are concerned it's don't ask, don't tell
... how you figure on changing that?--Wyms
   o OK, who took my Ding Dongs?!--Wagenbaugh
   o Is the REAL police busy today?--punk with slashed tires
   o Good cop and bad cop left for the day; I'm a different kinda cop--Mackey
   o Hey!  Attention everyone!  I'm declaring this an official crime scene--no
one leaves here without providing a stool sample.  Who gets to bag the
evidence?--Mackey


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Thanks!

On behalf on my partner, Chemikalman, we would like to welcome our new member
-
corrine_mackey@...
Feel free to answer the icebreaker questions I sent you, the polls, post,
etc.
Chemikalman
owner
Irishkittyvixen
moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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hey there bjohn1  great and insightful answers and chemikalman and i
say you are very weocome for starting the group and thank you for
joining!





--- In theshield-talk@y..., "bjohn_apd" <bjohn_apd@y...> wrote:
> --- In theshield-talk@y..., irishkittyvixen@a... wrote:
> > Hey there group!  My partner chemikalman and I have come up with
a few
> Well here goes, Don't think I'll get through all of them but...
>
> > 1. How did you find out about "The Shield?"
> How could anyone miss the adds. FX pretty much flooded the air with
the commercials on all of the fox family chanels.
>
> > 2. What made you decide to watch "The Shield?"
> Vic, AKA Tony, made us tune in. We were faithfull watchers of the
commish and still remember the show where "tonyland" was coined. This
looked like tonyland on steroids.
>
> > 3. How far do you think cops should be able to go to get the
truth?
> Generally, cops should only be able to go as far as the
constitution allows. However, the first episode brings the debate to
a point. What if there was a 7 year old that would die if you didn't
get the information. Just as bad, what if a cop had arrested someone
involved in the 9-11-01 events and KNOWN that the arestee had
information that could stop the twin towers and pentegon from
happening. How far should that cop be able to go? Our society will
hold the cop culpable no matter which choice he makes.
>
>  4. How far do you think cable TV should be able to go in terms of
language, nudity, sexual content?  Should it have different standards
that broadcast network TV?
>
> This show reflects society in general accurately. As such, it is
appropriate tv. These are the people that cops deal with and someone
that cops, if not careful and well centered will become.
>
>  5. What do you want to ask the guru sitting cross-legged at the
top of the highest mountain?
>
> If you know so much what the hell are you doing here?
>
>  6. What other cop or law-related shows do you like?
> NYPD blue, 24, The District, X-files, Crossing Jorden.
>
>  7. Do you have any experience with or in the criminal justice
system?
> I am a copper
>
>  8. Most of us know Michael Chiklis as "The Commish" and he was
even in the comedy "Daddio".  What do you think of Michael's
portrayal of corrupt cop Vic Mackey?
>
> If he doesn't win awards for this people don't know good acting.
>
>  9. Reading and knowing all about police brutality and police
corruption and now seeing "The Shield"  what do you really think
about the law enforcement agency?  Do you think cops think they are
above the law?
>
> Some cops believe that. It is up to the good cops to act when the
see rogues. The fact that this series started out with the title
Rampart is appropriate. That shows what happens when the good cops go
for the blow jobs instead of standing up for what is right.
>
>  10. What in a nutshell is your view of the criminal justice system?
> The Criminal Justice system is overloaded. It's not broken, and I
say that after having been sued and sitting in federal district court
watching 9 people to stupid to get out of jury duty decide if I was
wrong, I wasn't. The big problem is society. Sir Robert Peele, the
founder of the Londen Metropolitan Police Department said correctly
that police, and as an extension the rest of the system, are nothing
but the peoples representatives. It is the people who must step up to
the plate and realize what happens when you leave it to the
government to take care of us. Everyone has to shoulder the load
otherwise you end up with Vic and his ilk. That being said, and as
horrible as I think Vic's behavior is, I can't wait to see the next
episode. I'm glad he at least seems to have some doubts in the second
episode.
>
> Thanks for starting the group look forward to the discussion.

--- In theshield-talk@y..., irishkittyvixen@a... wrote:
> Hey there group!  My partner chemikalman and I have come up with a few
Well here goes, Don't think I'll get through all of them but...

> 1. How did you find out about "The Shield?"
How could anyone miss the adds. FX pretty much flooded the air with the
commercials on all of the fox family chanels.

> 2. What made you decide to watch "The Shield?"
Vic, AKA Tony, made us tune in. We were faithfull watchers of the commish and
still remember the show where "tonyland" was coined. This looked like tonyland
on steroids.

> 3. How far do you think cops should be able to go to get the truth?
Generally, cops should only be able to go as far as the constitution allows.
However, the first episode brings the debate to a point. What if there was a 7
year old that would die if you didn't get the information. Just as bad, what if
a cop had arrested someone involved in the 9-11-01 events and KNOWN that the
arestee had information that could stop the twin towers and pentegon from
happening. How far should that cop be able to go? Our society will hold the cop
culpable no matter which choice he makes.

  4. How far do you think cable TV should be able to go in terms of language,
nudity, sexual content?  Should it have different standards that broadcast
network TV?

This show reflects society in general accurately. As such, it is appropriate tv.
These are the people that cops deal with and someone that cops, if not careful
and well centered will become.

  5. What do you want to ask the guru sitting cross-legged at the top of the
highest mountain?

If you know so much what the hell are you doing here?

  6. What other cop or law-related shows do you like?
NYPD blue, 24, The District, X-files, Crossing Jorden.

  7. Do you have any experience with or in the criminal justice system?
I am a copper

  8. Most of us know Michael Chiklis as "The Commish" and he was even in the
comedy "Daddio".  What do you think of Michael's portrayal of corrupt cop Vic
Mackey?

If he doesn't win awards for this people don't know good acting.

  9. Reading and knowing all about police brutality and police corruption and now
seeing "The Shield"  what do you really think about the law enforcement agency? 
Do you think cops think they are above the law?

Some cops believe that. It is up to the good cops to act when the see rogues.
The fact that this series started out with the title Rampart is appropriate.
That shows what happens when the good cops go for the blow jobs instead of
standing up for what is right.

  10. What in a nutshell is your view of the criminal justice system?
The Criminal Justice system is overloaded. It's not broken, and I say that after
having been sued and sitting in federal district court watching 9 people to
stupid to get out of jury duty decide if I was wrong, I wasn't. The big problem
is society. Sir Robert Peele, the founder of the Londen Metropolitan Police
Department said correctly that police, and as an extension the rest of the
system, are nothing but the peoples representatives. It is the people who must
step up to the plate and realize what happens when you leave it to the
government to take care of us. Everyone has to shoulder the load otherwise you
end up with Vic and his ilk. That being said, and as horrible as I think Vic's
behavior is, I can't wait to see the next episode. I'm glad he at least seems to
have some doubts in the second episode.

Thanks for starting the group look forward to the discussion.

Well in the spirit of adding momentum to the conversation . . .  :)

> 1. How did you find out about "The Shield?"

Commercials.  I don't remember watching FX so I'm not sure where the
commercials actually aired.  Does anyone know on which channels the
commercials aired?


> 2. What made you decide to watch "The Shield?"

The commish as a serious bad ass?  I just HAD to see them try to pull
that one off.  And pull it off the did.  Admireably so.  THat dudes
outright scary now.

> 3. How far do you think cops should be able to go to get the truth?

I'm taking a pass on this one and reminding myself that its a
television show.  I don't want to think of cops plungering a guy's
colon out in a station house bathroom or anything of the like.


> 4. How far do you think cable TV should be able to go in terms of
language,
> nudity, sexual content?  Should it have different standards that
broadcast
> network TV?

I don't have any evidence to back this up but I'm not sure there are
any real 'laws' about content on tv.  I was under the impression that
it was advertisers willingness to be associated w/ a programme that
all but determined how far it could go.


> 6. What other cop or law-related shows do you like?

I liked Brookln South (a Bochco production) for the whole ten minutes
it was on.  It was constantly preempted for crap like 'the septuplets
first birthday party!' (remember them? Neither does anyone else
anymore.)  ANd they wondered why it didn't catch people up  in the
story.  It was something like 4 weeks between new episodes at one
stretch.

> 8. Most of us know Michael Chiklis as "The Commish" and he was even
in the
> comedy "Daddio".  What do you think of Michael's portrayal of
corrupt cop Vic
> Mackey?

Two words.  Scar-rey.

Jan wrote:
> I hope they do a soundtrack to, the music is great, i think Capt.
Aceveda,
> doesn't know which way to go, he knows Mackey's wrong but he also
knows he
> gets the job done, one way or the other. I really wonder how far
they are
> going to take this with Mackey and his crew, are they going to keep
going
> after the weakest guy, any one else out there have any ideas. Jan

It also seemed that Mackey was having some pangs of conscience; the
look of pain on his face while bench pressing was more than just
struggling with the weights.  Was that supposed to be symbolic do you
think? ... was what he did becoming a weight on his conscience?
Mackey looked pretty cold-blooded when he pulled the trigger, like he
had it all planned out.  So why the conscience pangs later?  And Jan
is right about Aceveda's ambivalance ... he hates Mackey, yet calls
on him to interrogate the pervert doctor because the results are more
important.  Many shades of gray and not many (if any) absolutes.
Seems to be the in-thing in tv these days ... no more good guys, bad
guys ... now they want we, the viewers, to decide for ourselves.
Reminds me of the betting line in sports gambling.  The house always
wins because the point spread is based on how many on each side are
betting.

chemikalman,
Group Owner

On behalf of my partner Chemikalman and I, let's welcome -
Jprolfes
Feel free to take our two polls, post anything you like pertaining to the
show, characters, law-enforcement and plot.
Please take a moment to introduce yourselves.

Chemikalman
owner
> Irishkittyvixen
> moderator
> groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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On behalf of my partner Chemikalman and I, let's welcom -
mrbond00112002
nesteranko
ragingbutt
Feel free to take our two polls, post anything you like pertaining to the
show, characters, law-enforcement and plot.
Please take a moment to introduce yourselves.
Irishkittyvixen
moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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I should be saying on behalf of my partner Chemikalman and myself, welcome
all newbies to the list!

Brad
emgirl
Patrick
Liz
Jan
Debbie

Everyone please take a moment to introduce yourselves if you haven't already.
  Feel freel to answer the icebreaker questions I have mailed you and please
check out our two polls.
This list is open-minded when it comes to talking about "The Shield",
characters, plots or anything pertaining to law-enforcement.  Everyone's
opinion is greatly valued and appreciated.

Chemikalman
Group Owner
Irishkittyvixen
Group Moderator


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Welcome to the list Patrick.  Feel free to post anything about the show,
plots, characters and enjoy!
Everyone, please take a moment to introduce yourselves.
Irishkittyvixen
Moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
theshield-talk group:

It's now been two weeks since "The
Shield" premiered.  What do you think?

   o Must-see TV
   o Too Soon To Tell
   o I can live without it


To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Thanks!

Good episode tonight.  I am really strongly disliking Capt. Aceveda.  You
think he would be happy to have a cop like Mackey being on his side.  he may
be a little brutal, but it's ok because he gets the bad guys.
Really impressed with Michael Chiklis on The Shield.
I hope they release a soundtrack cuz it's awesome.
Irishkittyvixen
moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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Let me take a minute to welcome debbie and liz to our group!  talk about any
ascpect of the show, characters, plotlines or anything else pertaining.
Irishkittyvixen
moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
theshield-talk group:

Do you think Detective Vic Mackey is a
corrupt cop?

   o Yes
   o No
   o He's just misunderstood
   o He's going above and beyond the job to catch these scumbags
   o I wouldn't want him to arrest me


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Thanks!

Looking forward to tonight's episode.  There are quite a few shows that I
look forward to and this is one of them.  I did try those MSG boards at FX,
it froze every single time.
Will post episode recap after it airs.

Judy
moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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hi gang!  i created a poll and a table for the cast of characters on "The
Shield"
Go take the poll!
Irishkittyvixen
moderator
groups.yahoo.com/group/theshield-talk


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Thought I would start things off in the group by discussing what's
going on with censorship and TV these days.  Are cable stations
subject to different rules than broadcast TV, like NBC, etc.?   I'm
not talking about pay channels like HBO.  I guess the reason I'm
asking is that I was pretty shocked at what was allowed in the
first ep of "The Shield."  I've heard Dennis Franz say "prick" and
"asshole" on NYPD Blue, but I've never heard anything like "blow
job", such as we heard on Shield (not to mention the hilarious
scene where the vic's sister had her head against the cop's
privates while she sobbed and the uniforms were restraining
their laughter).  Blue was a ground-breaker of sorts and it looks
like Shield is digging down deeper than anthing I've seen on TV
so far.

I also would like to welcome our first member, jtcujo (i.e., other
than the owner, yours truly, and the moderator of this list,
irishkittyvixen).  Irishkittyvixen, or vix for short, is working on some
icebreaker questions for new members.   They probably won't be
ready until after yahoo finishes its "maintenance."  You don't have
to respond to all the questions or any of them, jt--it's up to you.
Anyway, we're hopeful as more eps of the show are aired our
membership will increase.  Vix, didn't you say the premiere of
Shield was the most-watched premier of all time?

chemikalman--group owner