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#1364

From: Stephanie M <czeching@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:32 pm
Subject: hello

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#1363

From: desi42187@...
Date: Wed Nov 4, 2009 12:52 am
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan,38 years later!

desi42187@...

I read that twice. I never knew Sandy had a tumor. Everyone (for whatever reasons) picked on Sandy and made a big deal out of something comparably small. Sandy had every right to be angry. I would be angry too. Sammy Davis Jr. did the right by simply advising Sandy "to ride it off, and let it go away." It was still a shame to lose sight in her left eye, but Sandy is smart enough to move on. I wouldn't bring up the subject if I were around her.

Mike

#1362

From: "Bob or \"Mac\"" <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:13 am
Subject: Sandy Duncan,38 years later!

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"On November 1,1971,then 25 year old Sandy Duncan underwent a 10 hour
operation to remove a non-cancer tumor from behind her left eye that left her
sightless.
But now 38 years later she looks back with a little anger at that time.
"I remember after I got home from the hospital and began to read all the
stuff in the newspapers about me that I did get a little PO'd.
Then any where I went in 1972 it was all ways that they wanted to know
how my eyes where.
I just got real tired of the dumb questions and after a while I would not even
answer them.
I just lost the eye sight in my left eye,so what. I'm not dead!
The first peron that talked to me was Sammy Davis Jr. He just told me to ride it
out and it will stop.
I found out that there a lot of people in show business that had one
eye.I never knew that Rex Harrison had one eye,so did Peter Faulk!
I mean if I can fly as "Peter Pan" for three years with one eye
I was doing just fine.
But the one thing I did learn was that I all ways thought that I
could never get sick like I did and I was wrong.
A few people still ask about it,I just don't talk about it.It was a
long time ago!".
Bob

#1361

From: desi42187@...
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

desi42187@...

Thanks for mentioning those facts. Some important dates from that union.

#1360

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:12 am
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

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They were married in Carson City Navada in January of 1973. She filled for divorce in

May of 1978 and was divorced in June of 1979.

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Thu, 10/29/09, desi42187@... <desi42187@...> wrote:

From: desi42187@... <desi42187@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 4:35 PM

He has certainly been a doctor for a very long time. Nice way of phrasing the marriage from 1973 to 1979. Isn't that true or what.

Mike

#1359

From: desi42187@...
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

desi42187@...

He has certainly been a doctor for a very long time. Nice way of phrasing the marriage from 1973 to 1979. Isn't that true or what.

Mike

#1358

From: Jeff Rappaport <metaljef@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: Listen to an interview with Edie Mcclurg (Mrs. Poole)

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In case you missed it you can still listen to it.
This episode and every other episode is still available for free on itunes
just search "metal rules radio"
You can also listen at the site
http://www.metalrulesradio.com/2009/08/episode-15/

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...> wrote:

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:15 AM

He had been there before they were married in 1973.He had been a doctor for 10 years

before that.

All I can trll you about that marriage from 1973-1979. "Money can't buy you love".

Bob

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Mon, 10/26/09, desi42187@... <desi42187@...> wrote:

From: desi42187@... <desi42187@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:34 PM

I knew it was Bateman. I think you bring up another solid thought. Did Sandy and Jason do their drinking together? Maybe I can find someway to find that out. I also think Sandy should find time to write her autobiography. That gift from Sandy's second husband is stunning. He is a doctor though. He's been at UCLA for a while I guess.

Mike

Chicago, IL

#1357

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:15 am
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

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He had been there before they were married in 1973.He had been a doctor for 10 years

before that.

All I can trll you about that marriage from 1973-1979. "Money can't buy you love".

Bob

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Mon, 10/26/09, desi42187@... <desi42187@...> wrote:

From: desi42187@... <desi42187@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:34 PM

I knew it was Bateman. I think you bring up another solid thought. Did Sandy and Jason do their drinking together? Maybe I can find someway to find that out. I also think Sandy should find time to write her autobiography. That gift from Sandy's second husband is stunning. He is a doctor though. He's been at UCLA for a while I guess.

Mike

Chicago, IL

#1356

From: desi42187@...
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:34 am
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

desi42187@...

I knew it was Bateman. I think you bring up another solid thought. Did Sandy and Jason do their drinking together? Maybe I can find someway to find that out. I also think Sandy should find time to write her autobiography. That gift from Sandy's second husband is stunning. He is a doctor though. He's been at UCLA for a while I guess.

Mike

Chicago, IL

#1355

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:16 am
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

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Bateman said that he was very much a drinker this past year. I wonder if he and Sandy

did their drinking togerther,

I would love it if Sandy would write her life story. There is a lot that she has not told us!

Remember her second husband the doctor.I read in a LA Times story not long ago that

he and his current wife gave a $2 million gift to the UCLA Medical School where he still

teaches.

Bob

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Mon, 10/26/09, desi42187@... <desi42187@...> wrote:

From: desi42187@... <desi42187@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 2:41 PM

I wonder how much more there is about Sandy that hasn't been surfaced. I know there are plenty of things celebrities hide. I remember one article that was sent a while ago. If I remember correctly one of the sons on the Hogan Family was also an alcoholic. Probably Jason Bateman.

#1354

From: desi42187@...
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

desi42187@...

I wonder how much more there is about Sandy that hasn't been surfaced. I know there are plenty of things celebrities hide. I remember one article that was sent a while ago. If I remember correctly one of the sons on the Hogan Family was also an alcoholic. Probably Jason Bateman.

#1353

From: "Bob or \"Mac\"" <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:50 pm
Subject: Sandy Duncan:"I've been a member of AA since 1992"

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63 year old actress Sandy Duncan said told a New York radio statio that she is a
recovering alcohlic and has been a member of AA both in LA and
New York City.
"I was all ways a wine or beer drinker. When I lived in LA in the 1970's and
after 1973 I really began to get load a lot.But I was like 27
and all my freinds were getting loaded and I just wanted to be one of "the
boys".
I did a lot of those Hollywood Squiars show load,well we all did!
It did not become a problem for me again untill 1991,when Hogan Family
got cancelled and I just could not handle life.
A lot of times it was me and a bottle of red wine.
Don took me to my first AA meeting in LA and I just got my life back.
I have been "dry" since 1993 but I still from time to time go to a
meeting here in New York.
I have found out that you NEVER stop drinking,but you can if you
want.
All those time you saw,"Cute Pirky Sandy Duncan" on TV? I was more
than likey drunk!!!".
Bob

#1352

From: "Bob or \"Mac\"" <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:02 am
Subject: Oprah strikes back at Sandy Duncan!

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Talk show hoist Oprah Winfrey on Saturday released a ststment about a
remark that Sandy Duncan made a few week ago to a Pittsbugh newspaper:
"I learned about this durning last week.I read the statement that Duncan
said about me. I can tell you that I am very upset with her.
Yes Sandy I do read newspapers and I have "tossed" a lot of my money to
poor people in his world.Have You?
My company has called your bussiness agent in New York City and asked that you
come on my show for one hour and say that to my face!
We were told,"Sandy dosn't do any talk show anymore" and we were hung up
on.
Sandy if you said this about me,I want you to say it to my face lady".
Duncan told Alen Petrucelli:
" There is a woman out there buying a handbag that cost $40,000!
Don't these f..king people read a newspaper?
People like Oprah should toss a few thousand to poor people.
It would be like pissing in the ocean,but it would releave a hellave
lot.
Programs could be started to help people life their lives with some
dignety.".
Bob

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#1351

From: desi42187@...
Date: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: The Glass Menagerie on film

desi42187@...

This really helps. Thank you. Fully explained too.

Mike

#1350

From: "Bob or \"Mac\"" <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:11 am
Subject: The Glass Menagerie on film

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1950:Starring Gertrude Lawrence.Kirk Douglas and Jane Wyman. This is the
best film verision.I don't know if it is on DVD.
1987:Starring Joanne Woodward,John Malkovich and Karen Allen. The film was
directed by Paul Newman.
TV:
1966:Starring Shirley Booth,Hal Holbrook and Pat Hingle
1973:Starring Kate Hepburn,Sam Waterson and Joanna Mills.
In 2004 a Indian version called "Akale" (meaning"At A Distance) was
released. The family name was changed to DeCosta and the film was shot in the
Mayayasan language.
Hope this helps.
Bob

#1349

From: desi42187@...
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:34 am
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan enthralls in "The Glass Menagerie"

desi42187@...

I have heard of a few film adaptations of The Glass Menagerie. I don't remember seeing any of them. I would like to (some day) watch one of them.

Mike

#1348

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:32 am
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan enthralls in "The Glass Menagerie"

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It was also made into a movie a number of times also.

Bob

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, desi42187@... <desi42187@...> wrote:

From: desi42187@... <desi42187@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Sandy Duncan enthralls in "The Glass Menagerie"
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:51 PM

This is a play I would watch with a few friends of mine. The link you gave has some beautiful photos and I also liked the cast photo. This play would also be a good reenactment of life in the Depression Era. I read the novel during my senior year of high school.

Mike

#1347

From: desi42187@...
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:31 am
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts

desi42187@...

Thanks Bob and Ed for mentioning that. I should take back what I said about the "glass eye." I have heard about these kinds of operations. A polka disc jockey on a local station had that same kind of operation done to him about ten years ago. He is feels great that he doesn't have to wear glasses. He can read small print.

Mike

#1346

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:30 am
Subject: Re: Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts

rhmcdowell49

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From what I know it was if she was a just walking through the show. I was told that she

weighted about 75 lbs (normal was about 100 lbs). All the films of "Funny Face" were

distroyed by Paramount/CBS in 1973 as a house cleaning move.

If you would like to see Bruce Scott,he is the "White Pimp" at the end of the 1978 film

starring Clint Eastwood called "Every Witch Way But Loose". As far as I can find that was his last movie. I can not find out anything about him after that.

Bob

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, desi42187@... <desi42187@...> wrote:

From: desi42187@... <desi42187@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:57 PM

From a modern standpoint, I would say it was hard to believe this was a big deal in fall 1971. It is a real shame the show became an obscurity to many fans and non-fans of Sandy Duncan. Sandy had it rough though. Her marriage was ending and that eye problem. Which reminds me, when did Sandy get that glass eye. I was told by a friend of mine that Sandy Duncan had a glass eye for a number of years. Finally, I wonder what was "so sick" about the tenth, unaired episode of Funny Face.

Mike

#1345

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts

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Sandy had an operation on her "good' right eye to remove a caderacts from the eye and

she had a lens put in the eye so she will not have to wear glasses again.

Bob

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Edster <ejsnet1@...> wrote:

From: Edster <ejsnet1@...>
Subject: [thehoganfamily] Re: Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 8:48 PM

--- In thehoganfamily@ yahoogroups. com, desi42187@.. . wrote:
>Her
> marriage was ending and that eye problem. Which reminds me, when did Sandy get
> that glass eye. I was told by a friend of mine that Sandy Duncan had a
> glass eye for a number of years.

She doesn't have a glass eye. She merely lost sight in one of them. The glass eye thing is Sammy Davis Jr., not Sandy Duncan.

Just wanted to clarify.

Ed

#1344

From: "Edster" <ejsnet1@...>
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:48 am
Subject: Re: Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts

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--- In thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com, desi42187@... wrote:
>Her
> marriage was ending and that eye problem.  Which  reminds me, when did Sandy
get
> that glass eye.  I was told by a friend of  mine that Sandy Duncan had a
> glass eye for a number of years.

She doesn't have a glass eye. She merely lost sight in one of them. The glass
eye thing is Sammy Davis Jr., not Sandy Duncan.

Just wanted to clarify.

Ed

#1343

From: desi42187@...
Date: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:57 pm
Subject: Re: Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts

desi42187@...

From a modern standpoint, I would say it was hard to believe this was a big deal in fall 1971. It is a real shame the show became an obscurity to many fans and non-fans of Sandy Duncan. Sandy had it rough though. Her marriage was ending and that eye problem. Which reminds me, when did Sandy get that glass eye. I was told by a friend of mine that Sandy Duncan had a glass eye for a number of years. Finally, I wonder what was "so sick" about the tenth, unaired episode of Funny Face.

Mike

#1342

From: desi42187@...
Date: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: Sandy Duncan enthralls in "The Glass Menagerie"

desi42187@...

This is a play I would watch with a few friends of mine. The link you gave has some beautiful photos and I also liked the cast photo. This play would also be a good reenactment of life in the Depression Era. I read the novel during my senior year of high school.

Mike

#1341

From: "rhmcdowell49" <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:05 am
Subject: Saturday Sepember 18,1971--"Funny Face" debuts

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In the fall of 1971 there was no TV show that was more being waited for
than CBS's sitcom "Funny Face' starring 25 year old star Sandy Duncan
In Hollywood it was as Rhona Barrent called it,"The Year Of The Duncan".
But few knew what was happening to it's star.
Her three year marrage to actor Bruce Scott had end with her asking him to leave
the family home in West Hollywood in August.
It had been a small idem in the LA Times when they found out about it.
But by September,her "minor eye problem" as it was called when she spent 10 days
in the hospital in August had become worst and their was talk that she was not
going to make it much longer.
"My whole life was get up,go to work,come home,get sick and go to bed"
she was to say later,"I thought I was dying of something".
When the show did come on that night,NBC was showing the TV debut
of the 1960 John Wayne "The Alamo".
When the weekend rating came out,one person at CBS said,"My God!She
beat John Wayne".
In fact she was #1,the show was never out of the top ten shows
But "Funny Face' was to run for only nine shows. A tenth show
was said to be so bad,the network never aired it.She was just to
sick.
Bob

#1340

From: "Bob or \"Mac\"" <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:27 am
Subject: Sandy Duncan enthralls in "The Glass Menagerie"

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Sandy Duncan stars as Amanda,the matriarch of the Winfeild Family in
depression era St.Louis.Tom her son,a sometime poet is played by her
real life son Jeffery Correia.
Duncan's Amanda is equally charming and oppressive.Despite her small
frame,she easley dominates on stage encounters with her overbearing
demeator".
Full review at:www.ourtownon line.com/articles
Good photo of cast taken durning play also.
Bob

#1339

From: "Edster" <ejsnet1@...>
Date: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:40 am
Subject: Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts

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--- In thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com, desi42187@... wrote:
>
> My two cents or opinion would be the  following.  The first point being
> that CBS has a track record for killing  shows no matter what they are.  CBS
> decided to do it to Family Matters  after one year.  They have done it to
> other shows too.  I would like  to why that is.

CBS didn't "kill" those shows deliberately. Sure, they were mishandled
(especially with the scheduling) but the network was treading water trying to
secure its comedy line-up. Those shows were acquired cheaply because they had
been cancelled from other networks. CBS figured it was cheaper than investing
mucho money in other shows that nobody had heard about. However, these shows
were cancelled on the other networks because they were older and the audience
had begun to lose interest. This meant that CBS wouldn't make them as much of a
priority as they would with a newer show that they had invested top dollar into.

I'm not saying it was right for them to do it that way. I'm just saying they
didn't acquire "The Hogan Family" with the express purpose of screwing over
Sandy Duncan by hiring John Hillerman. That'd be sure to have the show cancelled
and thus why would CBS bother to buy it in the first place? Because their desire
to screw Sandy over was so great? I don't think she was that important to the
network.

>I do know that CBS for many
> years (since probably the  1970s) became more of a different network than what
> it was during the golden age  of TV (pre 1970s).
>     So point two would be an interesting final season  to this show.  I do
> understand what Bob said about John Hillerman.   Nonetheless, I found
> Hillerman to be an interesting addition to the show.   The characters overall
from
> my memory changed with the times.  With that  said, the opening credits
> have a different feel.  Football in the park was  a funny change of pace.  I
> didn't expect that for some reason.  I also  looked at how they aged in five
> years.

I always took the football opening as a nod to the first season during the
"Valerie" era. I think subliminally the cast & crew hoped the show would go
beyond the 6th season but they knew realistically that the likelihood of that
happening was nil. So to close out the show, they chose to make an opening
credit that opened the show when it first began... with football. This is just
speculation on my part and I'm probably wrong. One thing I do dislike about the
opening is how fuzzy it looked.

>     Point three, speaking of the opening credits and  changes, does anyone
> notice...The CBS "Stereosound" icon at the beginning of the  opening
> sequence?  I know that was a big deal at the time of this change  from NBC. 
Did it
> matter if the show was in stereo?  I noticed that  all Lorimar shows in
> this era were like that.

Most shows on CBS had that added for some reason. I have the complete
short-lived CBS show "The Five Mrs. Buchanans" on DVD and it had that. Valerie
Harper's short-lived show, "City", which aired also on CBS (I have the entire
series uploaded on youtube by the way, if any of you are interested) and I
believe it has the very same thing too. (BTW, I believe CBS mishandled both
shows, but I don't think it was done deliberately.)

I think what was happening was that TVs were becoming more sophisticated,
particularly with the audio set-up, and CBS was trying to get across that if you
had the capabilities on your TV set, you'd be able to hear the particular show
in stereo. Most TV sets were broadcast in mono, which is why DVD sets of older
shows (pre-1990) have poor audio and drop outs.

I guess CBS was trying its best to stand out and displaying the Stereo sound was
one way of trying to do that. Again, this is just a guess on my part.

Ed

#1338

From: desi42187@...
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts

desi42187@...

My two cents or opinion would be the following. The first point being that CBS has a track record for killing shows no matter what they are. CBS decided to do it to Family Matters after one year. They have done it to other shows too. I would like to why that is. I do know that CBS for many years (since probably the 1970s) became more of a different network than what it was during the golden age of TV (pre 1970s).

So point two would be an interesting final season to this show. I do understand what Bob said about John Hillerman. Nonetheless, I found Hillerman to be an interesting addition to the show. The characters overall from my memory changed with the times. With that said, the opening credits have a different feel. Football in the park was a funny change of pace. I didn't expect that for some reason. I also looked at how they aged in five years.

Point three, speaking of the opening credits and changes, does anyone notice...The CBS "Stereosound" icon at the beginning of the opening sequence? I know that was a big deal at the time of this change from NBC. Did it matter if the show was in stereo? I noticed that all Lorimar shows in this era were like that.

Mike

Chicago, IL

#1337

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Date: Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:19 am
Subject: Re: Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts

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Sandy is doing the play in Pittsbugh wirh her oldest son,Jeffrey.

I have not heard or read anything about her other son Michael.

The last thing I heard that he was going to college in New Orleans,but that was a few years

ago.

Has anyone any info on him???

Bob

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Wed, 9/16/09, Edward Viveiros <ejsnet1@...> wrote:

From: Edward Viveiros <ejsnet1@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 4:33 PM

Sorry, but you're wrong. Sandy's FIVE year contract would expire in August of 1992 since she was signed on late August 1987, so she could, in fact, sue. But even if she couldn't, the negative publicity is something the show wouldn't want to have to deal with. If anything, it would lend more credence to Valerie's claim that she was bounced unfairly. So you're wrong man...

Miller/Boyett, last I heard, were doing plays in New York. This was stated in a very recent interview with Edie McClurg. I guess there isn't any place for their type of programming in today's market, sad to say. Perhaps if it ever sees a resurgence, they'll be back in business. Lorimar, for sure, no longer exists.

As for Sandy being unhappy about John Hillerman joining the show, I can't imagine she'd ever be crass enough to admit that, even if true. I think her objections would stem from a creative standpoint rather than a personal one. In all truthfulness, the show hadn't run out of steam and there were lots more stories to tell without having to resort to adding the grandfather. But the direction that the show had taken was more of gag humor rather than character developing. It got to a point where some of the dialogue and jokes could be said by any of the characters interchangably. This wasn't true during the "Valerie" era and certainly wasn't true the first few years when Sandy was on (so it had nothing to do with who the female lead was).

In any case, the only way to sustain gag humor like that is to add more characters to the canvas since the stories started to repeat themselves and many of the characters started to act out of character. I think, if anything, this is what Sandy would object to. To say that it stemmed from a past TV show experience is a bit of a reach. If she has gone on record as having said so, then fine, but I think you're simply reading too much into it. Many people in showbiz have had similar treatments and many of them have been worse (Valerie Harper herself is a case in point). Jason Bateman, for instance, did many TV pilots that were mishandled by the networks since they figured he was past his prime. The more failed shows he did, the worse his treatment got. Now he's a landmark actor. Should we assume that he's been harboring some resentment that "Chicago Sons" or "George & Leo" or "Some of My Best Friends" were unfairly handled by the networks? He'd probably just shrug & chalk it up to showbiz. Methinks Sandy has as much sense as Jason in this case. In fact, I'd bet she has that and more...

"Life is such a sweet insanity..." and so is show business.

Ed

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts
To: thehoganfamily@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 8:18 PM

Just a couple of things:
Sandy's five year contract to do The Hogan Family ran out in 1990.So she,unlike Harper,

could not sue.

Is Miller/Boyett still in business?

But I can tell you first hand that Sandy was not happy with Hillerman coming on the show.If

you remember a different actor played her father on the NBC shows a number of shows.

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, ejsnet1 <ejsnet1@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: ejsnet1 <ejsnet1@yahoo. com>
Subject: [thehoganfamily] Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts
To: thehoganfamily@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:03 PM

Not to sound catty, but don't you think you're reaching a bit here? CBS was telling Sandy to hit the road by hiring John Hillerman? CBS didn't have to air the show at all. NBC cancelled it and CBS picked it up. Why do so if they wanted Sandy off the show?

It was amazing that the show survived the loss of its original star (Valerie Harper). I don't think CBS acquired "The Hogan Family" in the hopes of running the show without the show's second female lead. It'd be too much of a gamble. Yes, it survived the loss of Valerie Harper, but many feel that was unavoidable (depends on who you ask). For CBS to deliberately fire or phase out Valerie's replacement is just plain ridiculous. Whether or not the show was as good with Sandy as opposed to Valerie (again, it depends on who you ask), the fact is she helped carry the show.

Also, Valerie Harper's winning her court case against NBC, Lorimar and Miller/Boyett was still very fresh in the public's minds. Why risk going through the same thing with a different actress, especially one who helped the show to survive when many (including myself) thought the show would tank? CBS, not to mention Lorimar and Miller/Boyett, would look more culpable than they did when Valerie won her courtcase. And I highly doubt Lorimar and Miller/Boyett would sit idly by and let CBS mishandle Sandy Duncan, especially since she helped keep the show afloat.

I know you have a fondness for the lady and want to generate discussion, but again, this does seem to be a bit of a reach. I simply don't buy it. It just spits in the face of common sense. Lorimar and Miller/Boyett, still bruising from having to pay out financial damages and part ownership of the show to Valerie, would never let a network jeopardize the show in such a way. It just wouldn't be good business sense... at all.

Ed

--- In thehoganfamily@ yahoogroups. com, "rhmcdowell49" <rhmcdowell49@ ...> wrote:
>
> I have allways thought that when CBS brought John Hillerman on to play
> Sandy's father that in a round a about way that the network was trying to tell Sandy to hit the road.
> I can tell you that CBS had no great love for her going back to her days
> on "The Sandy Duncan Show" 18 years before.They just were trying to get her off the show this time for good.
> I remember thinking that maybe they where trying to turn The Hogan Family into a newer version of My Three Sons?
> The show lasted for 13 weeks and the last four shows were not seen untill the summer of 1991.
> I beleave that Sandy's well know dislike for the TV business can be traced back to after the show left the air and she stayed in LA from
> 1990-1993 and moved back to New York City. I beleave that she thought that she woukd get another series in 1991 and when she didn't she knew
> that this was the same thing that she went through from 1973-1979 and that was not going to happen to her again.
> In the whole 1990's she did one prime time show,"Law And Order" in 1995 after her move back to New York City.
> She had not had a TV series in 19 years now. She went 15 years before
> she got The Hogan Family!
> Bob
>

#1336

From: Edward Viveiros <ejsnet1@...>
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts

ejsnet1

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Sorry, but you're wrong. Sandy's FIVE year contract would expire in August of 1992 since she was signed on late August 1987, so she could, in fact, sue. But even if she couldn't, the negative publicity is something the show wouldn't want to have to deal with. If anything, it would lend more credence to Valerie's claim that she was bounced unfairly. So you're wrong man...

Miller/Boyett, last I heard, were doing plays in New York. This was stated in a very recent interview with Edie McClurg. I guess there isn't any place for their type of programming in today's market, sad to say. Perhaps if it ever sees a resurgence, they'll be back in business. Lorimar, for sure, no longer exists.

As for Sandy being unhappy about John Hillerman joining the show, I can't imagine she'd ever be crass enough to admit that, even if true. I think her objections would stem from a creative standpoint rather than a personal one. In all truthfulness, the show hadn't run out of steam and there were lots more stories to tell without having to resort to adding the grandfather. But the direction that the show had taken was more of gag humor rather than character developing. It got to a point where some of the dialogue and jokes could be said by any of the characters interchangably. This wasn't true during the "Valerie" era and certainly wasn't true the first few years when Sandy was on (so it had nothing to do with who the female lead was).

In any case, the only way to sustain gag humor like that is to add more characters to the canvas since the stories started to repeat themselves and many of the characters started to act out of character. I think, if anything, this is what Sandy would object to. To say that it stemmed from a past TV show experience is a bit of a reach. If she has gone on record as having said so, then fine, but I think you're simply reading too much into it. Many people in showbiz have had similar treatments and many of them have been worse (Valerie Harper herself is a case in point). Jason Bateman, for instance, did many TV pilots that were mishandled by the networks since they figured he was past his prime. The more failed shows he did, the worse his treatment got. Now he's a landmark actor. Should we assume that he's been harboring some resentment that "Chicago Sons" or "George & Leo" or "Some of My Best Friends" were unfairly handled by the networks? He'd probably just shrug & chalk it up to showbiz. Methinks Sandy has as much sense as Jason in this case. In fact, I'd bet she has that and more...

"Life is such a sweet insanity..." and so is show business.

Ed

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...> wrote:

From: Robert McDowell <rhmcdowell49@...>
Subject: Re: [thehoganfamily] Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts
To: thehoganfamily@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 8:18 PM

Just a couple of things:
Sandy's five year contract to do The Hogan Family ran out in 1990.So she,unlike Harper,

could not sue.

Is Miller/Boyett still in business?

But I can tell you first hand that Sandy was not happy with Hillerman coming on the show.If

you remember a different actor played her father on the NBC shows a number of shows.

Robert H.McDowell Jr,San Francisco Calf

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, ejsnet1 <ejsnet1@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: ejsnet1 <ejsnet1@yahoo. com>
Subject: [thehoganfamily] Re: 19 years ago today,The Hogan Family debuts on CBS-thoughts
To: thehoganfamily@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:03 PM

Not to sound catty, but don't you think you're reaching a bit here? CBS was telling Sandy to hit the road by hiring John Hillerman? CBS didn't have to air the show at all. NBC cancelled it and CBS picked it up. Why do so if they wanted Sandy off the show?

It was amazing that the show survived the loss of its original star (Valerie Harper). I don't think CBS acquired "The Hogan Family" in the hopes of running the show without the show's second female lead. It'd be too much of a gamble. Yes, it survived the loss of Valerie Harper, but many feel that was unavoidable (depends on who you ask). For CBS to deliberately fire or phase out Valerie's replacement is just plain ridiculous. Whether or not the show was as good with Sandy as opposed to Valerie (again, it depends on who you ask), the fact is she helped carry the show.

Also, Valerie Harper's winning her court case against NBC, Lorimar and Miller/Boyett was still very fresh in the public's minds. Why risk going through the same thing with a different actress, especially one who helped the show to survive when many (including myself) thought the show would tank? CBS, not to mention Lorimar and Miller/Boyett, would look more culpable than they did when Valerie won her courtcase. And I highly doubt Lorimar and Miller/Boyett would sit idly by and let CBS mishandle Sandy Duncan, especially since she helped keep the show afloat.

I know you have a fondness for the lady and want to generate discussion, but again, this does seem to be a bit of a reach. I simply don't buy it. It just spits in the face of common sense. Lorimar and Miller/Boyett, still bruising from having to pay out financial damages and part ownership of the show to Valerie, would never let a network jeopardize the show in such a way. It just wouldn't be good business sense... at all.

Ed

--- In thehoganfamily@ yahoogroups. com, "rhmcdowell49" <rhmcdowell49@ ...> wrote:
>
> I have allways thought that when CBS brought John Hillerman on to play
> Sandy's father that in a round a about way that the network was trying to tell Sandy to hit the road.
> I can tell you that CBS had no great love for her going back to her days
> on "The Sandy Duncan Show" 18 years before.They just were trying to get her off the show this time for good.
> I remember thinking that maybe they where trying to turn The Hogan Family into a newer version of My Three Sons?
> The show lasted for 13 weeks and the last four shows were not seen untill the summer of 1991.
> I beleave that Sandy's well know dislike for the TV business can be traced back to after the show left the air and she stayed in LA from
> 1990-1993 and moved back to New York City. I beleave that she thought that she woukd get another series in 1991 and when she didn't she knew
> that this was the same thing that she went through from 1973-1979 and that was not going to happen to her again.
> In the whole 1990's she did one prime time show,"Law And Order" in 1995 after her move back to New York City.
> She had not had a TV series in 19 years now. She went 15 years before
> she got The Hogan Family!
> Bob
>