On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, nauni3@... wrote:

> I think most of the
> haters were just predisposed to hate the show even before it came out, doesnt
> sound like they gave it a shot, what is it only like episode 5 or
> 6......


Thank you very Much internet! Ugh!


Vinnie




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On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:43 PM, nauni3@... wrote:

>
> ** I really love how everyone says its "geared to a younger demo" I'm not
> in that younger demo and I like it perfectly fine.


Nor am i! And honestly SG-1 and SGA was way way more geared to younger people...
this is geared o the 40 zone in my opinion. Drama over action.


Vinnie

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Beth MacKeage wrote:

> DS9 was at least part of the Trek franchise; BSG was a
> completely different show with only the Cylon name to make it seem like BSG.

Actually as much as i loved the new BSG i have also admit it was more of a Blade
Runner/ Do androids clone in some ways.


Vinnie

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Beth MacKeage wrote:

> (Did the same with
> Sanctuary)

In all honestly i have not been able to get into Sanctuary. I have tired. I
adore Amanda but the show for me does not connect.

Vinnie

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See, I'm not in that younger demo either.  I don't like sex on TV.  I
don't enjoy seeing it there at all.  I don't watch shows, any shows, as
a rule that have a lot of grit or sex, so sci fi or not, a show like SGU
that has so much sex on it, is one I'm not going to watch.

nauni3@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2009 5:04:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> marciastudley1@... writes:
>
> We know, Vinnie, that you are in another zone. <G> You are right that
> some like it and others don't. SGU is like Deep Space Nine to Star Trek
> fans, or what the new Battlestar Galactica was to fans of the original
> show -- it's dark and gritty and for some, that's not what the franchise
> is about. This new show is also geared more for younger people, the
> young demographic, just like the producers depicted in that one scene in
> the 200 episode of SG-1. It's sex-driven much of the time. You're
> either going to like it, or you're not. I know you're part of the
> former, and we all know I'm part of the latter. What is becoming
> increasing clear is that there is a growing list of those who feel like
> I do. I'm reading more blogs and seeing more emails where people are
> saying they don't like it and aren't going to watch anymore.
>
>
>
>
> ** I really love how everyone says its "geared to a younger demo"  I'm not
> in that younger demo and I like it perfectly fine.  I think most of the
> haters were just predisposed to hate the show even before it came out,  doesnt
> sound like they gave it a shot,  what is it only like episode 5 or
> 6........its in its baby season gotta give it a chance to learn how to walk
and find
> its way.     I personally like that it isn't another clone of SG-1 or SGA...
>  I find nothing wrong with the sex,  look its on everything now days, I
> just deal with it.   Yes it does seem a bit slow moving at parts but I roll
> with it.......   JMHO........
>
>
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I always felt sorry for the Enterprise cast for the way they went out.
Their best show of the series for me was their last one, and that's
because it was essentially an episode of TNG with Frakes and Sirtis.  I
loved it and I always watch that show.  I understand the cast of
Enterprise wasn't thrilled, and I certainly understand why.

On BG, I remember the furor when it was first in production.  It was
intense.  Olmos actually finally told fans of the original show just not
to watch the new version because they'd hate it.  I think he was right.
I know very few devoted fans of the original BG who could stand to watch
the rethink for very long.  Most hit the door as soon as Starbuck
changed sexes.

Beth MacKeage wrote:
> I liked DS9 but I did not like the new Battlestar Galactica.  I watched
> about 20 minutes of the pilot and changed the station.  (Did the same with
> Sanctuary)  DS9 was at least part of the Trek franchise; BSG was a
> completely different show with only the Cylon name to make it seem like BSG.
>
> As far as Enterprise is concerned, only the final season was really worth
> watching, although I did watch the entire series.
>
> With Universe, the jury is still out as far as I am concerned.
>
> Beth - ;)
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> Marcia
> Sent: November 13, 2009 3:20 PM
> To: sg1fans@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SG1 Fans] SGU its not the same!
>
> Exactly -- and I hated the new BG with a passion, and while I watched
> most of DS9, I was not loyal to it and caught about half of it in reruns
> because I never stayed with the show as a regular viewer.  Just didn't
> like it near as much as ST, ST:TNG, or ST: V.
>
> Mac User wrote:
>
>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Marcia wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> You are right that
>>> some like it and others don't. SGU is like Deep Space Nine to Star Trek
>>> fans, or what the new Battlestar Galactica was to fans of the original
>>> show -- it's dark and gritty and for some, that's not what the franchise
>>> is about.
>>>
>>>
>> That is SO on target!!! I LOVE DS9 and the New BSG! Totally cool shows!
>>
>> Vinnie
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I appreciate your position; I'm just not on board with it, especially
when it comes to the powers that be in the SG franchise.  I don't
respect them and I don't like them.  They destroyed quality SG-1 and
they don't care about the fans, by their own admissions (at least, RCC
doesn't).  I have no desire to help line their pockets as a result.
They killed the show that I dearly loved.  I've watched SGU and I don't
like it.  Heck, Michael Shanks admits he's not thrilled about it either,
even though he's done a couple of the shows.  That tells me I'm in good
company with my opinions.  Of course, Michael and I don't always agree,
but right now, on this subject, we do.

Mac User wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Marcia wrote:
>
>
>> I believe we've had this
>> discussion before. In essence, SGU does not affect SG-1 or SGA.
>>
>
> It is all the same family. one goes down they all go down. Moreover i will say
the whole production team losses face. Either way if you agree or not, my
concern is for this show. I like this show, and i want to see it stick. So i
want the fan base to give it a chance and not turn against it until it has been
given a fair shake.
>
> I miss the days when a struggling show could get 1-2 seasons to try and pull
it together. These days every one is so critical and quick to judge. In the old
days everyone got a fair shot. Now you can be dead in the water before you even
get on the air (thank you very much internet!)
>
> The other side of this whole thing is i really want to support as much SCI-FI
as i can. We "geeks" have to have each others back. Otherwise we are all gonna
end up stuck watching Dawson Creek like shows again.
>
> On a related note. I felt the new V was outstanding so far.
>
> Vinnie
>
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In a message dated 11/13/2009 5:38:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
southernvinnie@... writes:

It is all the same family. one goes down they all go down. Moreover i will
say the whole production team losses face. Either way if you agree or not,
my concern is for this show. I like this show, and i want to see it stick. So
i want the fan base to give it a chance and not turn against it until it
has been given a fair shake.

I miss the days when a struggling show could get 1-2 seasons to try and
pull it together. These days every one is so critical and quick to judge. In
the old days everyone got a fair shot. Now you can be dead in the water before
you even get on the air (thank you very much internet!)

The other side of this whole thing is i really want to support as much
SCI-FI as i can. We "geeks" have to have each others back. Otherwise we are all
gonna end up stuck watching Dawson Creek like shows again.

On a related note. I felt the new V was outstanding so far.

Vinnie




**** Bravo Vinnie,  you just said everything that I was having trouble
putting into words.  Thank you and I agree 110 %!!!        (If the networks come
out with one more CSI like show I think I may go postal)  shauna


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In a message dated 11/13/2009 5:04:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
marciastudley1@... writes:

We know, Vinnie, that you are in another zone. <G> You are right that
some like it and others don't. SGU is like Deep Space Nine to Star Trek
fans, or what the new Battlestar Galactica was to fans of the original
show -- it's dark and gritty and for some, that's not what the franchise
is about. This new show is also geared more for younger people, the
young demographic, just like the producers depicted in that one scene in
the 200 episode of SG-1. It's sex-driven much of the time. You're
either going to like it, or you're not. I know you're part of the
former, and we all know I'm part of the latter. What is becoming
increasing clear is that there is a growing list of those who feel like
I do. I'm reading more blogs and seeing more emails where people are
saying they don't like it and aren't going to watch anymore.




** I really love how everyone says its "geared to a younger demo"  I'm not
in that younger demo and I like it perfectly fine.  I think most of the
haters were just predisposed to hate the show even before it came out,  doesnt
sound like they gave it a shot,  what is it only like episode 5 or
6........its in its baby season gotta give it a chance to learn how to walk and
find
its way.     I personally like that it isn't another clone of SG-1 or SGA...
  I find nothing wrong with the sex,  look its on everything now days, I
just deal with it.   Yes it does seem a bit slow moving at parts but I roll
with it.......   JMHO........


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I liked DS9 but I did not like the new Battlestar Galactica.  I watched
about 20 minutes of the pilot and changed the station.  (Did the same with
Sanctuary)  DS9 was at least part of the Trek franchise; BSG was a
completely different show with only the Cylon name to make it seem like BSG.

As far as Enterprise is concerned, only the final season was really worth
watching, although I did watch the entire series.

With Universe, the jury is still out as far as I am concerned.

Beth - ;)
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Sent: November 13, 2009 3:20 PM
To: sg1fans@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SG1 Fans] SGU its not the same!

Exactly -- and I hated the new BG with a passion, and while I watched
most of DS9, I was not loyal to it and caught about half of it in reruns
because I never stayed with the show as a regular viewer.  Just didn't
like it near as much as ST, ST:TNG, or ST: V.

Mac User wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Marcia wrote:
>
>
>> You are right that
>> some like it and others don't. SGU is like Deep Space Nine to Star Trek
>> fans, or what the new Battlestar Galactica was to fans of the original
>> show -- it's dark and gritty and for some, that's not what the franchise
>> is about.
>>
>
>
> That is SO on target!!! I LOVE DS9 and the New BSG! Totally cool shows!
>
> Vinnie
>
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Marcia wrote:

> I believe we've had this
> discussion before. In essence, SGU does not affect SG-1 or SGA.

It is all the same family. one goes down they all go down. Moreover i will say
the whole production team losses face. Either way if you agree or not, my
concern is for this show. I like this show, and i want to see it stick. So i
want the fan base to give it a chance and not turn against it until it has been
given a fair shake.

I miss the days when a struggling show could get 1-2 seasons to try and pull it
together. These days every one is so critical and quick to judge. In the old
days everyone got a fair shot. Now you can be dead in the water before you even
get on the air (thank you very much internet!)

The other side of this whole thing is i really want to support as much SCI-FI as
i can. We "geeks" have to have each others back. Otherwise we are all gonna end
up stuck watching Dawson Creek like shows again.

On a related note. I felt the new V was outstanding so far.

Vinnie

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It' s not the viewers, it's the network taking its time.  The fan bases
are different.  We've learned that already.  I believe we've had this
discussion before.  In essence, SGU does not affect SG-1 or SGA.

Mac User wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Marcia wrote:
>
>
>> What is becoming
>> increasing clear is that there is a growing list of those who feel like
>> I do. I'm reading more blogs and seeing more emails where people are
>> saying they don't like it and aren't going to watch anymore.
>>
>
>
> And that is really my concern. If we learnt anything from Enterprise is it
that a few disgruntled fans can turn a whole fan base off a show and tank it, if
they try hard enough. I really hope that does not happen here. Time will tell.
>
>
> Vinnie
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Exactly -- and I hated the new BG with a passion, and while I watched
most of DS9, I was not loyal to it and caught about half of it in reruns
because I never stayed with the show as a regular viewer.  Just didn't
like it near as much as ST, ST:TNG, or ST: V.

Mac User wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Marcia wrote:
>
>
>> You are right that
>> some like it and others don't. SGU is like Deep Space Nine to Star Trek
>> fans, or what the new Battlestar Galactica was to fans of the original
>> show -- it's dark and gritty and for some, that's not what the franchise
>> is about.
>>
>
>
> That is SO on target!!! I LOVE DS9 and the New BSG! Totally cool shows!
>
> Vinnie
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Marcia wrote:

> What is becoming
> increasing clear is that there is a growing list of those who feel like
> I do. I'm reading more blogs and seeing more emails where people are
> saying they don't like it and aren't going to watch anymore.


And that is really my concern. If we learnt anything from Enterprise is it that
a few disgruntled fans can turn a whole fan base off a show and tank it, if they
try hard enough. I really hope that does not happen here. Time will tell.


Vinnie

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Marcia wrote:

> You are right that
> some like it and others don't. SGU is like Deep Space Nine to Star Trek
> fans, or what the new Battlestar Galactica was to fans of the original
> show -- it's dark and gritty and for some, that's not what the franchise
> is about.


That is SO on target!!! I LOVE DS9 and the New BSG! Totally cool shows!

Vinnie

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We know, Vinnie, that you are in another zone. <G>  You are right that
some like it and others don't.  SGU is like Deep Space Nine to Star Trek
fans, or what the new Battlestar Galactica was to fans of the original
show -- it's dark and gritty and for some, that's not what the franchise
is about.  This new show is also geared more for younger people, the
young demographic, just like the producers depicted in that one scene in
the 200 episode of SG-1.  It's sex-driven much of the time.  You're
either going to like it, or you're not.  I know you're part of the
former, and we all know I'm part of the latter.  What is becoming
increasing clear is that there is a growing list of those who feel like
I do.  I'm reading more blogs and seeing more emails where people are
saying they don't like it and aren't going to watch anymore.

And that's the way it is.

Mac User wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, catbyte@... wrote:
>
>
>> Ok, it's not my cup of tea, but others like it. That's great for them. I love
vampire stories but find the Twilight saga more emo garbage. Lots of young girls
and women love it. Different tastes.
>>
>> But don't kid yourself: SGU is no more "real" in its depiction of people than
is Babes in Toyland.
>>
>
>
> Personally i think you are right. It just is not your cup of tea. And that is
what stops you from seeing what others do see. So me i think it is dead on what
would really happen in a setting like this. I am not kidding myself, that is
what i think.
>
> So, you don't like it. Fair enough. Others do.
>
>
> Vinnie.
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, catbyte@... wrote:

> Ok, it's not my cup of tea, but others like it. That's great for them. I love
vampire stories but find the Twilight saga more emo garbage. Lots of young girls
and women love it. Different tastes.
>
> But don't kid yourself: SGU is no more "real" in its depiction of people than
is Babes in Toyland.


Personally i think you are right. It just is not your cup of tea. And that is
what stops you from seeing what others do see. So me i think it is dead on what
would really happen in a setting like this. I am not kidding myself, that is
what i think.

So, you don't like it. Fair enough. Others do.


Vinnie.

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, catbyte@... wrote:

> I don't get this "way more real stories" thing. Yes, the writers and producers
(especially Mallozzi) keep telling us how realistic it is, how the people are
way more real. I don't see it. Not at all.

Sorry, to hear that. Not sure what to tell you. Perhaps it is as you say, you
just don't get it. But not everything is for all people. Me i love it.

SG1 and SGA were more fast passed, and kind cartoony, even campy at times. This
show is darker, toned down, serious, and less about action and more about Drama.
Personally i like both styles. So i am really digging this new look and feel.


Vinnie

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, catbyte@... wrote:

> Second, I know few "real people" who behave with the consistent stupidity and
overt outrageous selfishness of the people on that ship.


Really? Personally i feel the whole world acts that way. Pretty much non-stop.
You must be just livin' in a good neighborhood! LOL


Vinne

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On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, catbyte@... wrote:

> Deeper stories? This show is the slowest moving thing I have ever seen outside
of Waterworld

I do agree, it is too slow moving. Then again look at Star trek Nex Gen season
one... ugh!

Vinnie

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I don't get this "way more real stories" thing. Yes, the writers and producers
(especially Mallozzi) keep telling us how realistic it is, how the people are
way more real. I don't see it. Not at all.

First, it's SF - it's NOT real.

Second, I know few "real people" who behave with the consistent stupidity and
overt outrageous selfishness of the people on that ship. Sure, there ARE people
like that, but not everybody is like that. The endless whining about "we're not
the right people," has gotten far beyond lame.

Third, if this WERE real, and the SGC and Icarus base were real, these morons
would not have been assigned to that base in the first place. The only people
who wouldn't be likely to have had a lot more training than these fools would
have been the Senator and his idiot daughter. Everyone else would have had major
league survival training. It's a base that is not on Earth! We train people to
deal with things that happen elsewhere than on this planet, and I cannot believe
that anyone would be leaving this planet for an extended tour of duty on a base
on another planet, especially one that has a dangerous core, without serious
training.

Fourth, if this WERE real, the people on the base would be experts in lots of
things, most particularly, ancient tech. There wouldn't be only one person with
knowledge and expertise; they'd all have pretty significant knowledge and
expertise, and someone like Rush wouldn't be able to fool them and wouldn't be
the only person who could figure out what was going on with the ship. That he is
shows really contrived, lazy, even stupid writing. The whole thing is contrived;
there isn't anything "realistic" about it.

Fifth, if this were real, I'm sure that people would be having sex, but they
wouldn't be having sex while in someone else's body. There might be some few
jerks who would do that, but there is nothing "realistic" to assume that people
- human beings - would be comfortable with that. I find it really laughable as
well as fascinating that this aspect of the communication stones is being touted
as "realistic" by the producers and writers. It's so far outside human
experience that nothing having anything to do with it would provide a comfort
level for humans. Mallozzi indicated that it's a reasonable assumption that the
viewers should make that the people who allow the use of their bodies for
Destiny crewmembers to visit their families gave explicit permission for their
bodies to be used for sex. That's a logical assumption? That's realistic? That's
INSANE. People wouldn't do that. Oh, I'm sure that some might find it
titillating (and that of course is the real reason this device is being used
anyway), but how does this even approach a realistic understanding of humanity?

If I had been, for example, Col. Young's wife, and he appeared to me using
another man's body, there would be zero chance I'd have sex with him in that way
(well, maybe if he were using certain actors' bodies). SEroiusly? This is more
"real" than the people in SG1 and SGA?

I don't see it at all. I think the writers are justifying a lot of crap by
pointing to it being "more real" because the people aren't "square jawed heroes"
like the people in SG1 and SGA. It's an emo-driven soap opera; these people are
no more real than those on All My Children.

Deeper stories? This show is the slowest moving thing I have ever seen outside
of Waterworld. Waterworld had more story than this. So did Ishtar, one of the
most boring films ever made. There is almost no story here. I don't see it.

I'm kind of tired of the writers and producers claiming that those who don't
like this show "don't get it" and have to have "squared jawed heroes" and don't
like sex and have an agenda. That's boring, too. There's no story in the story,
the people are amazingly UNrealistic and obnoxious besides.

Ok, it's not my cup of tea, but others like it. That's great for them. I love
vampire stories but find the Twilight saga more emo garbage. Lots of young girls
and women love it. Different tastes.

But don't kid yourself: SGU is no more "real" in its depiction of people than is
Babes in Toyland.

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>
>
>On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Tracy Lynn Ramirez wrote:
>
>> I just cant get into the series. I dont know its not the same , I loved
stargate sg1 and stargate atlantis. I think they are missing something with the
new series. Maybe i just am not giving it a chance. Does anyone feel the same
way about the new stargate series??
>
>I am really really liking it. It is bit slower paced but way more real and
deeper stories.
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Tracy Lynn Ramirez wrote:

> I just cant get into the series. I dont know its not the same , I loved
stargate sg1 and stargate atlantis. I think they are missing something with the
new series. Maybe i just am not giving it a chance. Does anyone feel the same
way about the new stargate series??

I am really really liking it. It is bit slower paced but way more real and
deeper stories.

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I just cant get into the series. I dont know its not the same , I loved stargate
sg1 and stargate atlantis. I think they  are missing something with the new
series. Maybe i just am not giving it a chance. Does anyone feel the same way
about the new stargate series??  I do love the show Sanctuary with Amanda
Tapping and Christopher Heyerdahl. Gotta love the sexy tall,bald man! lol. Hehe.








Tracy

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TPTB love to stir up the fans.  They are very good at it.

tthurman2001 wrote:
> You're probably right, but I'd rather they just didn't mention it at all than
tease us with it!
>
> TT
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>> You aren't going to get S/J they way you want them until or unless they
>> make the 'final' SG-1 movie. RCC will do nothing but tease until then
>> because the J/D people are just as valuable of a commodity as the S/J
>> ones, and they've already lost enough J/D viewership from the ship junk
>> as it is.  Until or unless that time comes, everything you see will be
>> vague innuendo at best that can be turned and picked apart to match the
>> preference of the observer. That's how it's always been and that's how
>> it will be.
>>
>> tthurman2001 wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to recall that before SGU started TPTB hinted that there would be
some
>>> S/J in the pilot, and while both Sam and Jack were in the pilot, I don't
recall
>>> anything remotely romantic happening between them!
>>>
>>> Once again, it's the Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football. They promise
us
>>> S/J to hook us in, and then disappoint us. Darn them!
>>>
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You're probably right, but I'd rather they just didn't mention it at all than
tease us with it!

TT

--- In sg1fans@yahoogroups.com, Marcia <marciastudley1@...> wrote:
>
> You aren't going to get S/J they way you want them until or unless they
> make the 'final' SG-1 movie. RCC will do nothing but tease until then
> because the J/D people are just as valuable of a commodity as the S/J
> ones, and they've already lost enough J/D viewership from the ship junk
> as it is.  Until or unless that time comes, everything you see will be
> vague innuendo at best that can be turned and picked apart to match the
> preference of the observer. That's how it's always been and that's how
> it will be.
>
> tthurman2001 wrote:
> > I seem to recall that before SGU started TPTB hinted that there would be
some
> > S/J in the pilot, and while both Sam and Jack were in the pilot, I don't
recall
> > anything remotely romantic happening between them!
> >
> > Once again, it's the Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football. They promise
us
> > S/J to hook us in, and then disappoint us. Darn them!
> >
> > Tracy
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You aren't going to get S/J they way you want them until or unless they
make the 'final' SG-1 movie. RCC will do nothing but tease until then
because the J/D people are just as valuable of a commodity as the S/J
ones, and they've already lost enough J/D viewership from the ship junk
as it is.  Until or unless that time comes, everything you see will be
vague innuendo at best that can be turned and picked apart to match the
preference of the observer. That's how it's always been and that's how
it will be.

tthurman2001 wrote:
> I seem to recall that before SGU started TPTB hinted that there would be some
> S/J in the pilot, and while both Sam and Jack were in the pilot, I don't
recall
> anything remotely romantic happening between them!
>
> Once again, it's the Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football. They promise us
> S/J to hook us in, and then disappoint us. Darn them!
>
> Tracy
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I seem to recall that before SGU started TPTB hinted that there would be some
S/J in the pilot, and while both Sam and Jack were in the pilot, I don't recall
anything remotely romantic happening between them!

Once again, it's the Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football. They promise us
S/J to hook us in, and then disappoint us. Darn them!

Tracy

I completely agree. Except that I still like to watch Jack. So any episode with
him is one that I'll tape to watch the parts with him. Otherwise, I'm done with
this. And TPTB should be ashamed of themselves.

sharp

--- In sg1fans@yahoogroups.com, Rob <becida@...> wrote:
>
> I'm using the spoiler space, comments below-
>
> At  11/7/2009 05:32 AM,tthurman2001 wrote:
> >Spoiler:
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
>
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SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS\
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
> >Okay hope this is far enough:
>
> I watched Earth last night (I really like that DVR) and have had enough.
>
> The science part of the science fiction is poor, the ship can't get a
> full charge of power from flying thru a star? They can't get enough
> power to run the stargate? For good science fiction the science has
> to be good. The Star Gate concept works because it's something so far
> beyond our technology I have to say "why not?". That the ship could
> not get enough energy from a trip though a star? That's a LOT of
> energy to fly through and not harvest enough, should I repeat "A LOT"?
>
> We left science behind at that point and jumped full time on the
> cheating wives -bad guy taking the others identity 'soap opera'
> format. I can't even pretend it's SF any more other than it's on a
> spaceship.  Of course we could have a character 'wake up' 4 seasons
> from now and find out it was a bad dream or someone's autistic kid's
> fantasy or any other classical TV ploy you care to use.
>
> Too bad, the concept had promise but the SciFi network (the one that
> brought us all big time wrestling) has changed it's name and put
> daytime dramas (soap operas?)  on a spaceship and hung the "Star
> Gate" label on it. I think the network decision makers spent too much
> time watching "Lost" and "Heros".
>
> Good bye SGU, and good luck with the really different take on
> cheating wife scenario. I think I'll let the DVR record "Good Eats"
> on the Food Channel during that time slot.
>
>
>
> Rob
> becida@...
>

Do not read if you haven't seen Earth yet.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Denise <sky_diver119@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> > They should call it Sex lies and
> > video tapes. Very little scifi in this
> > episode.
>
> true, it can be defined as 'soapy', that said, it was announced from the
> beginning that it'd be more character focused than the 'old school' space
> adventure.
>
>
Ok, I had not read much about it before hand, as a matter of fact I wasn't
even going to watch it, but I'm a Robert Carlyle fan, so that perked my
interest, then they  announced Ming Na was going to be on, and I'm a big fan
of her so I decided to give it a try, her character being a lesbian was an
added bonus. I like dark to a point, buthat I don't like it that they spent
too much doing the club scene, too much time on earth period. I thought
they'd be out there alone with no contact from Earth, well I guess I should
have read a little more about the show. I'm not giving up yet, but someone
was talking about how they thought it was rape to use Telford's body for
Young to have sex with his wife when they brought up the same thing was
going to happen to Wray,  I hope it's a false rumor that they are going to
put some straight chick in Camile's body and she is going to (someone else's
word) bone some guy. .How is she going to feel when she gets her body back,
she will know her body has been used. If that is a true rumor then it won't
matter if this becamese a hit I won't watch anymore.  I know it's fiction,
but if that is what they are going to use to try and please the male 13-25
crowd then why even bother making one of the characters a lesbian? Scratch
that, I think they know exactly what they are doing.  Still on IMDb where
fans vote on the show 1-10 stars it was down in popularity 49% for last
weeks episode. I haven't heard very many good things about it on the forums
I'm on.


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Rob:
I think I'm with you.  I watched SG-1 re-run "Between Two Fires" Friday night
and remembered why I loved this show so much!  SGU just doesn't do it for me in
the same way.

Lost and Heroes, indeed!

--- In sg1fans@yahoogroups.com, Rob <becida@...> wrote:
>
> I'm using the spoiler space, comments below-
>
> At  11/7/2009 05:32 AM,tthurman2001 wrote:
> >Spoiler:
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
> >*
> >
>
>SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS\
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS\
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
> >Okay hope this is far enough:
>
> I watched Earth last night (I really like that DVR) and have had enough.
>
> The science part of the science fiction is poor, the ship can't get a
> full charge of power from flying thru a star? They can't get enough
> power to run the stargate? For good science fiction the science has
> to be good. The Star Gate concept works because it's something so far
> beyond our technology I have to say "why not?". That the ship could
> not get enough energy from a trip though a star? That's a LOT of
> energy to fly through and not harvest enough, should I repeat "A LOT"?
>
> We left science behind at that point and jumped full time on the
> cheating wives -bad guy taking the others identity 'soap opera'
> format. I can't even pretend it's SF any more other than it's on a
> spaceship.  Of course we could have a character 'wake up' 4 seasons
> from now and find out it was a bad dream or someone's autistic kid's
> fantasy or any other classical TV ploy you care to use.
>
> Too bad, the concept had promise but the SciFi network (the one that
> brought us all big time wrestling) has changed it's name and put
> daytime dramas (soap operas?)  on a spaceship and hung the "Star
> Gate" label on it. I think the network decision makers spent too much
> time watching "Lost" and "Heros".
>
> Good bye SGU, and good luck with the really different take on
> cheating wife scenario. I think I'll let the DVR record "Good Eats"
> on the Food Channel during that time slot.
>
>
>
> Rob
> becida@...
>