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Re: Fugitive season 3

Here's more on the technical process that one Fugitive fan (David Carabimero)
went through to match the original audio of one Fugitive episode to the visual
picture on the CBS DVD. He explained this last year on HomeTheaterForum.com --

"I believe I have managed to get a complete, unaltered soundtrack (dialogue,
music, sound effects) to ESCAPE INTO BLACK with a VERY nice signal-to-noise
ratio. I am converting it to WAV now. It may take me a while as I am swamped
with work, but I am going to try and marry this soundtrack to the CBS/Paramount
restored transfer from Season 2 Vol. 1. I am going to work in acts to try and
minimize sync problems. My composite won't be lossless (if it works) but close
to it.

...I think it worked. My video file was 1.89GB and my WAV was 520MB. I had to
resync at the beginning of each act and the epilogue as black between acts was
different in length between the CBS master and the Nu Venture's VHS. Also some
frames were missing fron the VHS which meant the audio got rubbery every now and
then. I corrected whenever I had a good door slam or phone hang up. I put the
old credits back on. I'll look at it tomorrow with fresh eyes but it is solid
and it appears I will be able to watch ESCAPE TO BLACK the way its creators
intended.

...If you've never worked in sound mixing before, seven hours might seem like a
lot. To do a full 51 minute show, it's nothing. It took an hour to render my
source tracks. It took another hour to render the full-res picture. About half
an hour to redo the credits like they originally appeared. Then about 45-minutes
of syncing per actual act. Finally about an hour to render and burn my
composite. So a full three out of the seven hours, I was downstairs drinking
coffee while my computer did the work.

...Even so, I've never met a man who's told me that seven hours is a long time
when he enjoys what he's doing. I've been sound-mixing my own audio dramas for
years, even had two of them on NPR. But to have a chance to restore my favorite
FUGITIVE episode to its original form, even for my own private use, I deem not
just a personal honor but a genuine pleasure."

Gotta love the passion of some Fugitive fans!!
Joyce :>)

--- In fugitive@yahoogroups.com, christine miller <waldenpond66@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Harry,
>
> That was very informative and fascinating to read 9and not too long at all!).
> Thanks for bringing some light into my technical darkness :).
>
> Chrissie
>
> --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Harry <hgn2001@...> wrote:
>
> --- In fugitive@yahoogroup s.com, "Robert Dahl" <rjd0309@> wrote:
> >
> > Apparently, the TV broadcasts that Kevin recorded for his set were
transmitted as time-compressed broadcasts, in order to squeeze in more
commercials. I have some full-featured audio software that is capable of rate
resampling, which may be able to restore the audio tracks to their original
length, in order to match the video from the official CBS DVDs.
> >
> > I'd like to try out this procedure on one of Kevin's episodes. I asked Kevin
to sell me a set, but he said that he's no longer selling them. If someone could
help out by briefly loaning me one of Kevin's discs, it would be a big help.

On Thu, 7/9/09, Harry <hgn2001@...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I'm new to this list, though I've lurked on and off for years, and I have a
point or two I'd like to clear up.
> While it may be a worthwhile pursuit for some to grab video from one source
and try to match it with audio from another, the results could be iffy at best,
depending on one's technical prowess, due to certain mismatches.
> One needs to understand a bit about "time-compressing" and its artifacts.
Television syndicators of old programs were essentially driven by the
marketplace to provide 46:30 episodes for broadcast on cable and local stations.
The stations allocate that much time for commercials, even if they only throw in
those 800-number commercials. It's the way the market has developed over the
years.
> So in order to accomodate the station's desires (since the stations are the
customers of the syndicator), some kind of editing became necessary if they
wanted to sell these old shows. Early attempts at chopping out material from
episodes were met with disdain from viewers, who missed segments of the shows
that they remembered. So once the technology became available to digitally
speed up the prints, that avenue was taken.
> One of the artifacts of time-speeding is that the pitch of things will be
raised. You'll hear voices speaking in slightly higher pitches than would be
normal - and this is one of those things that some people are very sensitive to,
and others are equally oblivious. It depends on the person. As it turns out,
I'm VERY sensitive to that particular artifact and can spot it in an instant.
> Another artifact of time speeding is the warbling of the musical background.
A sustained note on a musical instrument will have little "bumps" every other
second or so. That's because in addition to the speeding up, the digital
technique used is also dropping frames - skipping over a frame every now and
then to move things along and so that they don't have to speed up the film even
further to where MORE people might notice the higher pitch.
> One result of the frame-skip is that motion might appear jumpy in spots. A
normally smooth car chase might appear choppy as the cars move across the
screen.
> I don't own any of the so-called "Kevin's" episodes, but I live in an area in
Pennsylvania where I was aware of, and with difficulty could get a rather snowy
picture on that Allentown station, so I did manage to see an episode or two, and
could tell that they were time-compressed. Some of the professional
"NuVentures" videotapes were also sourced from some time-sped syndication
prints, though many were also sourced from 16mm broadcast prints, complete with
ABC-TV logos still in them. Those episodes run at the proper speed, but tend to
have faded color and scratchy sound.
> Since the CBS DVD's are at the correct speed, trying to grab the sound from a
time-sped episode would be a difficult task. I suppose if one had some kind of
speed-altering software, one could sort-of match it up. But the choppiness of
the music would still be there.
> Anyway - sorry for the long post, but I hope it's at least informative.
> Harry




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Hello Harry, That was very informative and fascinating to read 9and not too long at all!). Thanks for bringing some light into my technical darkness :). ...
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Here's more on the technical process that one Fugitive fan (David Carabimero) went through to match the original audio of one Fugitive episode to the visual...
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F.A.R.T.??? Surely they can come up with something better than that. ... From: Shaun Toole To: fugitive@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:30 AM ...
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John, Considering the amount of work put into the restoration of the original audio of 15 episodes, and the quality of the end result, the only thing left for...
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