"david lawrence" <cm-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/freakngeek/?start=21

> I'm looking for suggestions as to which links we should list on this
> page. (and which we shouldn't?)
>

Here are my suggestions:

Official Producers' board - a place to go to receive official
information (although, since the show is on hiatus, it is a bit slow to
update at the moment).  The site has a message board that is
free-flowing and often has good information and usually the quickest
way to get a question answered.
http://www.freaksandgeeks.com

Robyn's site keeps the most up to date information on how a fan can
help save the show, including letter writing guidelines:
http://students.washington.edu/draheim/freaksandgeeks/

Operation Haverchuck has many innovative ideas for what to do and
includes a place to donates funds
to the campaign: http://www.geocities.com/haverchuck

Greg Barber has a great fan site with lots of information and a
heirarchical discussion forum.  The forum is also a place where one can
go for tape exchanges:
http://www.gbdesigns.com/freaksandgeeks/

I wrote a FAQ a few months ago that can be found on Greg's site (under
'on the show'). I am happy to put in the vault here, if you would like.
  I do my best to keep it updated.

Eden

I also suggest a folder in the links section with the URL's for the
various articles we find...

this article really was a little empowering, letting us fans know that
we do matter.  I really feel that we can make changes if we band
together.  Hopefully this board will allow us to do that a little
easier.

greg

eden blair <eden-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/freakngeek/?start=25
> Some of you may have not seen this article.  It's about the work we
have
> been doing to help the show.  Actually, other shows are mentioned but
they
> got SHOVED TO THE SECOND PAGE!  HA!.  Just wanted to show some
positive
> news.  This came out, wow, only a week ago (busy week).
>
> OK - I'm mentioned (as are official board regulars Greg Barber and
Steve
> Fulton, who gave time to talk to the reporter), but I really wanted
to send
> this because it makes it look like we have the power to make things
happen.
> Which I believe we do.
>
> Eden
>
> http://www.ultimatetv.com/news/Features.html?7604
>

"david lawrence" <cm-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/freakngeek/?start=28
> I found this posted at the official site this afternoon.  3/30/2000.
>
> http://www.laweekly.com/tv/
>
> It's quite an article.
>

Please write the author of this article a quick "thank you" at this
address: http://www.laweekly.com/feedback/

I found this posted at the official site this afternoon.  3/30/2000.

http://www.laweekly.com/tv/

It's quite an article.

By Allan Johnson-Tribune Television Writer-

"It has been a little quiet on 'Deathwatch 1999-2000,' this year's
vigil for canceled series. For the last few months, networks seemed to
be content to stand pat with the shows they have, or put those series
on hiatus and replace them with midseason entries. That, however, was
until last week, when NBC announced it was cancelling Freaks and Geeks.

The critically acclaimed drama about high school teens in the '80's
drew small Nielsen numbers, and NBC certainly didn't help matters by
placing it on Saturdays when the show's core audience was hanging out,
then moving it to Monday's only to preempt it frequently.
It was scheduled to air last Monday, but NBC pulled it again, this time
for an edition of Dateline.

'If there's anything that's really painful, it's the return of another
hour of Dateline. What show could be more evil? That show exploits
tragedy for ratings', executive producer Judd Apatow told the New York
Daily News, apparently not banking on a future with NBC.

The network did agree to allow Freaks and Geeks, which still has six
unaired episodes left, to be shopped to MTV, Fox and the WB."

Here's a snippet of an interesting tidbit Tim posted on the official
board.


***Original Post - 2000.03.30***

Rosenthal replied to an email that I sent him earlier, which thanked
him for supporting the show. He replied and told me that I would
like what I saw in his Friday article then. Well, that's tomorrow. You
will be able to access his article at this address:
http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/index/television.html

Be sure to visit tomorrow...

Some of you may have not seen this article.  It's about the work we have
been doing to help the show.  Actually, other shows are mentioned but they
got SHOVED TO THE SECOND PAGE!  HA!.  Just wanted to show some positive
news.  This came out, wow, only a week ago (busy week).

OK - I'm mentioned (as are official board regulars Greg Barber and Steve
Fulton, who gave time to talk to the reporter), but I really wanted to send
this because it makes it look like we have the power to make things happen.
Which I believe we do.

Eden

http://www.ultimatetv.com/news/Features.html?7604

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Thanks for the help Greg.

I encourage the other members of this group to do the same!

One reminder to everyone, if you are going to post on this group, please
register with eGroups and post to the group using the e-mail address you
registered with.  Doing so will speed up the posting process.

At 10:08 AM 3/30/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I just sent out invitation to a few people I've enjoyed seeing on the
>other message board.  Hopefully they'll come over here.
>
>greg
>
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Has this announcement been verified??

"david lawrence" <cm-@...> wrote:
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> This was posted by Judd at the Producer's site:
>
> ***Original Message***
>
> Still waiting on the networks. We spoke to the Museum of Broadcasting
> today and they said they want to do marathons of the un-aired episodes
> in May in New york and LA. Good buzz like that won't hurt.
>

I just sent out invitation to a few people I've enjoyed seeing on the
other message board.  Hopefully they'll come over here.

greg

You may have noticed that this eGroup has a 'links' page associated
with it.

I'm looking for suggestions as to which links we should list on this
page. (and which we shouldn't?)

Please provide the name of the link and the URL.

Thanks for your input.

Dave

Just wanted to let you all know that I have two hands (and a brain) for
hire for anything that needs to be done in the name of Millie, Bill,
Kim, Daniel, Nick, Lindsay, Ken, Karen (not), Neal, Sam, Gordon,
Humphries, Coach Fredricks, Mr and Mrs Weir, and anyone whom I forgot
to mention.

Thanks,
Brian

Thanks for creating this David... I'll probably end up linking this to
the fan site...

Greg

I appreciate your taking the initiative in creating this board.  I
refuse to visit the "official" board any more.

I don't have the time or the interest in scrolling through a lot of off
the subject posts.  I just want to know the most up to date and
accurate info about the status of the show.

Thanks again for creating this board.  Keep up the good work.

Oh, has anyone else sent in any money to Operation Haverchuck for the
ad in Variety?

Read this article at CNN.  It has interesting information on how to
help the show.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/29/marvin.kitman.lat/index.html

When I say "regulars" I mean the people who you know aren't causing
problems. Someone else may know better than I who has been visiting
that board for awhile because I just found it the day the show was
cancelled.

I know Dave posted this address several times on the board but maybe a
personal email would do the trick. This board is a lot faster and
easier to navigate. I think people would like it.

"disappear here" <keykey-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/freakngeek/?start=12
> I don't understand what is going on over at the message board.  Who
are
> these people?  Well, I think that just ignoring it (the insanity) is
> the best thing to do.  Thanks dh
>

The other board was really cool and friendly until a few days ago. I
think one person showed up and had nothing better to do than screw
around with everyone and mess things up.

I don't understand why anyone who loves the show would want to damage
the good thing that everyone had going. The final straw for me was the
fake Judd post, which you just had to see coming.

I wrote to Judd, Paul and Maureen and told them what was going on with
the board. I explained the problem of not knowing when Judd or Paul
actually did post something and suggested that any news be posted in
the "From the head geeks" section. I also told them about this board.

Ok, enough venting.

What is happening there is what happens on most boards without a
registration system.  People start playing posting games that have nothing
to do with the board's subject.  This happens everywhere on the Internet.

So the official board is more like a chat room (People even use the subject
lines to communicate instead of writing messages)  Not that that is bad,
either.  The official board is a great place to gather all of the fans and
have lots of fun and energetic posts about the show.

This eGroup was created for those who don't necessarily have the time to
sort through all those posts, and just want useful information.  This
eGroup can also serve as a searchable archive of old information and posts.

If you think this is a good idea, please get the word out to other F&G fans
that this eGroup exists.   http://www.egroups.com/group/freakngeek/



At 07:28 PM 3/29/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I don't understand what is going on over at the message board.  Who are
>these people?  Well, I think that just ignoring it (the insanity) is
>the best thing to do.  Thanks dh
>
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Most of the network's web sites have e-mail feeback links.

And e-mail can be somewhat useful when writing to local entertainment
reporters/press.

However, nothing is as effective as snail mail.  People in charge usually
take written letters more seriously.

Most of your questions can be answered at the Save Freaks and Geeks website:
http://students.washington.edu/draheim/freaksandgeeks/

Do what you can!


At 05:33 PM 3/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Is there a way to email our grievances about the loss of this amazing show to
>someone who might make a difference? I imagine it would have to be aimed at a
>network-- if not NBC, then Fox or another network. Or is snail mail the only
>way to do it? This show must not die. Television became a more exciting place
>because of it, and no other existing show can even come close to filling the
>void...
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I don't understand what is going on over at the message board.  Who are
these people?  Well, I think that just ignoring it (the insanity) is
the best thing to do.  Thanks dh

Is there a way to email our grievances about the loss of this amazing show to
someone who might make a difference? I imagine it would have to be aimed at a
network-- if not NBC, then Fox or another network. Or is snail mail the only
way to do it? This show must not die. Television became a more exciting place
because of it, and no other existing show can even come close to filling the
void...

Thanks for trying this eGroup out.

The only way to see if this will work is to try it.  I saw your message
on the official board and figured it was time.

If you can, help point some more people here and help ease some of the
fears people have about eGroups.  I find most of the fears to be
unfounded.

People should link to http://www.egroups.com/group/freakngeek

Later,
Dave

"elijah green" <e44re-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/freakngeek/?start=9
> David,
>
> Thanks for starting this egroup. The other board has gotten totally
out
> of control. Especially with the fake Judd post this evening.
>
> Hopefully this will organize things better and stop the
disinformation.
>
> Elijah
>

David,

Thanks for starting this egroup. The other board has gotten totally out
of control. Especially with the fake Judd post this evening.

Hopefully this will organize things better and stop the disinformation.

Elijah

And who does he think he is creating this board?

I've been lurking on the F&G producer's site for quite a few months
now, but just started posting recently.

Lately, I've noticed many regular members are quite upset that the
official board is difficult to use.  But I haven't noticed anyone
offering any alternative solutions that have worked as of yet.

So, not being one to sit around and wait for a solution, I started
testing out this eGroup a few weeks ago, to see if it would help ease
some of the pain.

I do not want this board to compete with the Producer's site or Greg's
site (or any other site: Save F&G, Op Haverchuck, etc.)  And actually,
I don't really want to run this board as the owner, but felt someone
should try it.

If this board helps us focus our energies -- Great.  If not, I'll close
it.

Let us know what you think, and start posting messages if you think
this is a good idea.

I just started testing this eGroup with other people on Wednesday,
March 29.  So if you do not see a lot of messages, please understand
that NOBODY knew this board existed until recently.

But you can help!  If you have anything to say, please post a comment
to this board.  Just mail a message to freakngeek@egroups.com .

This was posted by Judd at the Producer's site:

***Original Message***

Still waiting on the networks. We spoke to the Museum of Broadcasting
today and they said they want to do marathons of the un-aired episodes
in May in New york and LA. Good buzz like that won't hurt.

This message was originally posted on the producer's site:

***Original Message***
A lot is happening with the show. Three very large basic cable channels
have inquired about buying the show and ordering new episodes. The big
issue will be whether or not they want to cut the budget for cable. The
last thing Paul and I want to do is make cheap, crappy new episodes. We
might be able to cut the budget a little, but there is a line we can't
cross.

Several networks are looking at new and old episodes this weekend.
There is genuine interest in airing the new ones over the summer and if
someone watches a network might have the option to order new episodes
for mid-season (January).

The best case scenario would be that a network would have a bad
development season, then order new episodes for the fall. Then we would
air on that network over the summer, or air all of the episodes on
cable, then have new ones in the fall on a network. This would get our
audience, new and old, up to speed. Then during the year we might have
what they call a second window, in which they air our reruns on cable a
few weeks after they've been on a network. The cast tells us that they
haven't read any good pilots (potential new shows for next year) so
that helps.

Regardless, we now know that all eighteen will air somewhere cool this
year. That is fantastic. There is more interest than we assumed there
would be, and interest always generates more interest. What helps is
that the episodes you haven't seen are some of our best shows. It still
may not work out for financial reasons, but there is hope. Keep writing
and calling. It's working.

Also, every journalist and critic I speak to is really impressed with
the umber of calls and letters they get about the show. It definitely
leads to more press. They have all stated that if someone else picks us
up they will support us.

The LA Weekly is doing a cover story about our show. Check out
MediaWeek.com There is a very funny article about the show.

We've also been talking to some video distributors, so maybe that might
happen as well.

I'm getting a little nervous writing on this board because one of my
messages about the state of TV appeared in The Newark Star Ledger. I am
proud of what I said, but it's weird to think some rant might end up in
the paper. Ah, what the hell. "Dateline" deserves it. "Dateline"
reminds me of that old Bill Hicks joke about how the devil won't look
like a monster, he'll come in the form of Dick Clark, and he'll get to
us by slowly lowering our standards. The truth is it may not be Dick
Clark, it might be Stone Philips. Buy Bill Hicks comedy records. He was
amazing. Reminds of a story. When I worked at "Larry Sanders" Stone
Philips was scheduled to do a story on Garry and the show. At the same
time they were trying to convince Garry to take over "Late Night" after
Letterman left. The day after Garry said he didn't want to take over
"Late
Night" Dateline cancelled the story on Garry. I thought they were
supposed to be a news program. I guess not.

This was orginally posted on the Producer's Site (3/29/2000).  I
believe by Eden.  I wanted to archive it here for future reference.
The parts that specifically adress how to post on the producer's site
have been removed.

***Original Post***
Yes, the show is canceled, whether you spell it with one 'l' or two.

Also, if you feel the
need to blow off steam and rant that NBC sucks, fine, but we have heard
it. It is better now to start
sending positive messages to other networks who might agree to give F&G
another season.

We are even MORE happy to have you help us on our quest to get the show
picked up by other
networks. This is looking very promising, so your letters and emotional
and financial support will be of
great assistance. We are focusing on WB and FOX, go to here for the
best addresses for multiple
networks

These are the addresses given by the producers of this site (they
should know which are the best
addresses): http://www.freaksandgeeks.com/help.html

Robyn's site keeps the most up to date information, including letter
writing guidelines:
http://students.washington.edu/draheim/freaksandgeeks/

Operation Haverchuck has many innovative ideas for what to do and
includes a place to donates
funds to the campaign: http://www.geocities.com/haverchuck


There is also a FAQ about the show and a tape exchange at Greg's site
http://www.gbdesigns.com/freaksandgeeks/
the FAQ is in the "on the show" section and the tape exch is in the
discussion forum.

Thanks for your interest in Freaks and Geeks.  The goal of this eGroup
is to supplement the Official Board at the Producer's site
(freaksandgeeks.com) without hindering the discussions there.
FreakNGeek will archive news items and allow for in-depth discussions.

Members of this board are asked to post any breaking news, articles, or
ideas they read on the official board or elsewhere.  Also, if news is
posted here first, please repost the info on the official board as well.

This board should be easier to participate in and use.  Please be kind
to one another and focus our energies on saving the show!  Right now
the board is not moderated, but it does require registration.

One last request, when responding to messages, please do not change the
subject line unless you would like to start a new thread.

Please post any comments or news you have about the show.

Freaks and Geeks is actively searching for a new network.  What Network do you
think would be the best new home for the show?

----

Please select one of the following:

    o ABC
    o WB
    o FOX
    o UPN
    o MTV
    o VH1
    o USA
    o Other


by going to the following Web form:

    http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=954358109521&listname=freakngeek

Thank you!