Hello everybody.
No, it's not JAG ("just another group") :P
DykesVision is a web-project about "Serial Sapphics on Screen" or
just plain 'lesbians on screen'.
DykesVision's english homepage has a new (english) message board and
I hereby invite you to join us there.
The message board is a place to discuss all the DykesVision topics,
news and updates but there is also the possibility to post fanfiction
and original fiction. Other topics like e.g. book reviews, general
media alerts, news paper / journal articles are also present.
Until now the DykesVision's forum has been a german one that also
included english threads.
Unfortunately, the activities in the english threads were almost
unnoticable. To encourage more english discussions we decided to
provide a complete 'english only' message board.
We are now looking for new members who
- are interested in the topic
- might have something to contribute to the website
- want to take part in discussions of tv-shows, movies, articles, ...
- want to write/read reviews
- want to have (on-topic) fun, like e.g. round robins, gossipping (no
outing), ...
- share/read news and information about lesbians on screen all over
the world
- can contribute/help/advise in web design and ~ programming
As an off-topic of general interest to the gay/lesbian community the
forum also features a "General Discussion" - Discussion thread
including "GLBT Politics".
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will be on information like news, reviews, recaps and discussions.
We will not tolerate chat-like conversations and we will try to keep
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Experiences in the german forum show that it still can be fun, and is
actually more fun, if posts have substance and opinions are explained.
We're looking for witty people who enjoy intelligent discussions as
well as casual goofiness.
Of course we understand that RL takes its toll and so lurkers are
welcome, too ;)
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Although it is on our German pages, and from a German show, I thought
this music video might be interesting to folks; after all, there is
no need for words:
http://www.dykesvision.com/de/clips/kerstin-sascha.html -- "Everybody
Hurts". Just think of the show ([I]Hinter Gittern [/I]- "Behind
Bars") as a German [I]Bad Girls[/I]! More soapy, but with more
Lesbians in it... Those in the clip are Kerstin (prison doc) and
Sascha (prisoner).
Oh, and this is a nice opportunity to encourage further submissions
of music or otherwise creative clips.
"Shit Happens": Episode synopsis and screencaps of Bad Girls, season
2, episode 2. http://www.dykesvision.com/en/badgirls/shit-
happens.html . With the worst good-bye line ever. And, of course, The
Kiss!
Fenner tells Karen that he is starting grievance procedures against
her, claiming "unprofessional conduct". He says he is going to tell
Stubberfield about their sexual liaison, and is disappointed when she
doesn't seem bothered.
http://www.dykesvision.com/en/badgirls/looking-for-love.html
The best thing since sliced bread? A poor act? Or something in
between?
Please state your opinion here:
http://forum.dykesvision.com/thread.php?
sid=3edfdd860be2e5434addfa14fb2e3174&postid=430#post430
(Please note: Voting is open to guests; for posting messages however,
you need to register. See: http://forum.dykesvision.com/thread.php?
sid=3edfdd860be2e5434addfa14fb2e3174&postid=431#post431 )
As DV was founded September 10 of the year 2000, we are celebrating
its "birthday" this weekend!
Congratulations and contributions will be gladly accepted at
DykesVision.com .
TV's Disappearing Lesbians by Ed Welch 365Gay.com Newscenter Los Angeles Bureau
Posted: September 16, 2004 5:00 pm ET
(Hollywood, California) Gay characters on television have become an endangered species the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation said Thursday.
GLAAD said that the number of LGBT characters on network TV has dropped to its lowest level since the organization began tracking in 1996.
Nevertheless, GLAAD said that cable dramas and the reality genre have improved their inclusion of gays and lesbians.
"When you turn to cable and reality TV, you see us -- our lives, our relationships, our diversity," said GLAAD Executive Director Joan M. Garry. "But when you turn to network comedies and dramas, you're seeing portraits of an America where gay people and families are nearly invisible. That's not the America we live in."
In addition to Bravo's "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," this fall has a strong line-up of inclusive reality shows, with two lesbian contestants on CBS' "Survivor: Vanuatu," a gay couple on Fox's home renovation competition "The Complex: Malibu," and two gay housemates on MTV's "The Real World: Philadelphia." Other reality shows that feature openly gay participants include, among others, ABC's "The Benefactor," UPN's "Amish in the City" and Showtime's "American Candidate."
However, the surge in inclusive reality TV representations, and the corresponding rise in reality programming, is offset by the continuing under-representation of LGBT characters on broadcast network scripted series -- with only five gay male characters
and one lesbian character
in 2004, GLAAD said.
This year there is only one new gay character in primetime: George (played by Patrick Breen in a supporting role), a nanny who works for the title character in UPN's high-profile Taye Diggs-starrer "Kevin Hill."
In sharp contrast, cable dramas (such as HBO's "The Wire," FX's "Nip/Tuck" and The N's "Degrassi: The Next Generation"), with a total of 15 gay male, ninelesbian and two bisexual female characters, continue to break new ground in textured, three-dimensional storytelling - though on programs with smaller audiences than the broadcast networks.
GLAAD's analysis also found a decline in gay people of color representated on scripted network TV. Only one gay character of color (Adam, an Asian Pacific Islander on UPN's "Half & Half") appears on scripted network TV this year. By comparison, there are six gay and lesbian characters of color on scripted cable shows, and reality programs "The Benefactor," "American Candidate," "The Real World," and "Queer Eye" also feature a total of five gays and lesbians of color.
The study also showed there is invisibility of gay and lesbian couples and families on scripted network TV. The cancellation of ABC's groundbreaking "It's All Relative" leaves scripted network primetime without representations of same-sex couples and families.
Even more troublesome is the potential for more defamatory exploitation in the reality genre, GLAAD said. Despite Fox's decision in May to shelve the homophobic "Seriously, Dude, I'm Gay" - which featured two men forced to fool others into thinking they were gay though a series of humiliating tasks - GLAAD remains concerned about reality programs that mimic the concepts, but not the spirit, of hit shows like "Queer Eye."
"We're all aware that the words 'reality TV' and 'boundaries' don't typically go together," said Stephen Macias, GLAAD's entertainment media director. "But as we saw with 'Seriously Dude, I'm Gay,' some producers are willing to turn us into objects of ridicule and, in doing so, place gay people in harm's way. 'Seriously, Dude' made it clear: there must be boundaries, and GLAAD will continue to keep a watchful eye on the reality genre."
We just love Neve Campbell. Not only is she smart, saucy and hot - she can't seem to stop kissing girls - at least on film anyway. Campbell's latest girl-on-girl action takes place in director James Toback's When Will I Be Loved. In the film, Campbell makes audience members drool with a lovely long naked shower scene. Plus, she also locks lips with gorgeous co-star Joelle Carter (Wonderland).
In an interview with TV Guide Online, Campbell tallies up her girl kissing adventures on the silver screen. "This is like the sixth time I've had a kissing scene with a woman on film." Campbell doesn't see anything at all wrong with that - and neither do we! "I don't know if there are many Hollywood actresses who haven't kissed a woman on camera," she says. Campbell fans should buy this one as soon as it hits DVD, because lips aren't the only thing that will get locked together between her and co-star Joelle Carter.
Those who see the film will be happily reminded somewhat of Campbell's character in Wild Things. Campbell's character in When Will I Be Loved is just as intelligent and conniving - but with the added bonus of being hotly sexual & sensual all the way through.
When I Will Be Loved is currently playing at the Toronto International Film Fest and in limited release nationwide. Check out www.ifcfilms.com for some fab sneak previews.
It Isn't Smithers by Jed Lang 365Gay.com Entertainment
The speculation had reached a feverished pitch, and the money was on Smithers. But, it wasn't him. The Simpsons' character about to come out is Marge's sister Patty.
Patty and twin sister Selma were long ago dubbed by Homer the “gruesome twosome”.
After being snubbed by every man in Springfield, Patty decides it may be her and not the men. So, she of the purple hair heads out to find love.
She ends up in a bar, and is seduced a butch dyke. Ah, happiness. Patty has found her true calling.
Patty comes out to Marge and Homer is horrified, as only Homer can be.
But, Patty and her new partner try to settle down to a blissful relationship, but realize they can't marry. No rights, no marriage no nothing.
Marge throws herself into the campaign to change the law so her sister can marry - and pulls it off!
Homer comes around, becomes an ordained minister thanks to an internet instant course, and performs the ceremony.
For months, since word that one of the Simpson's characters would come out, speculation has been rampant that it would be Smithers, the effete yes man to Mr Burns.
The Simpsons has been around for 14 years now and has never shied from taking on issues, but now it's up to the network. Will it air before the November election? Right now Fox has the episode scheduled for early in the new year.
"Let those dirty, disease-infested, sinning queers die!" -- John Ashcroft, while he was Missouri's governor, after rejecting a plea from MO lawmakers to reconsider his veto of a funding package that was desperately needed for an AIDS hospice under his jurisdiction.
Ok.
Those of you who encountered problems when trying to register with
the forum at
http://forum.dykesvision.com
may now try again. The faulty 'application' field function has been
fixed, you should now be able to register.
We're always looking for (active) members, so even if you haven't yet
tried to register, please do so now.
- Kya.
PS:
Please report any bugs or problems. We can only fix what we know
about. Also, don't hesitate to voice ideas, opinions, suggestions,
questions.
We can be reached at: dykesvision-owner@yahoogroups.com or directly in
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Oookay, so today is special notice day.
Because we had some other trouble with the forum we decided to move it
to another base software.
And because this also takes some time and troubleshooting the forum is
not available at the moment.
Stay calm and rest assured, it will be back.
Btw, if there's someone out there who knows /something/ about php
programming, please contact us, we need your help.
- Kya.
While we ARE always looking for php savvy people, we are experiencing
severe problems with our database at the moment.
We will post to this list when the forum is functioning again.
I have to take quite a bit of issue with Fay Jacobs' assessment of how "wholesome" homoaffectionals are supposedly being perceived (http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/921/921_jacobs.asp). Since Showtime is the limited pay channel audience that CBS's "axed-due-to-reich-wing pressure" is the only place you can find a regular lesbian mommy couple - Lindsay and Melanie from QaF and any potential lesbian mommy couple(s) that may or may not be there now and/or showing up in the near future (Can you tell I don't bother to watch it?), there is little access for teenagers, twenty-somethings or even aspiring mothers that happen to be lesbians to see role models for themselves on TV.
Let me let you know what there is access to, however. More of a "grainy shot of a half-nekked gal with a Harley between her legs" than anyone with a brain asked for. More of the kind of "humoring" from the networks Fay Jacobs craves ever so much... More of the concept that (There we go; weren't we past this by now at least where "liberal Hollywood" was concerned?) being gay is still a "lifestyle". That's right; the use of the word "lifestyle" is prevalent, even on MTV, which is often considered so PC that the Leviticus crowd considers it "shoving homosexuality down people's throats", so I hope that helps humor Fay Jacobs, not to mention the horrendously horrific portrayals of gay people on Queer As Folk & the latest rendition of smear the queer, FX's firefighter show "Rescue Me" which actually had a gay character raise not one objection to being asked "Does your father accept your choice
and your lifestyle"? Choice? Choice? Choice? I guess "Rescue Me" is retroactively trying to instill the propaganda that being homoaffectional is now a "choice" and even that show's incidental gay characters now agree??!??
Aside from that, there's plenty of other evidence that things aren't so "Two Women With 2.5 Children and White Picket Fence" as Jacobs would like to claim. Perhaps if there were, hundreds and on some days, thousands, of protesters wouldn't have been so adamantly opposed to the Goodridges getting legal recognition as a lesbian household that cared for their children just as much as their heteroaffectional counterparts next door, railing against them getting legal recognition as married parents in the eyes of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Let's start with Jim McGreevey. Many, upon hearing the resignation speech of the now first openly gay governor of any US state, often remark that "Solely being gay is no reason why he should have to resign." But it's not the conditions under which he was faced after making the "dreaded" announcement that are of import, but the conditions under which he felt that he had to keep it a big secret in the first place. Perhaps if there was any truth to what Jacobs claims, McGreevey wouldn't have fought his coming out tooth and nail, and begged his wife to stay with him until after he was ready to make his big announcement. The media tried to cover this with the proper balance of the various issues and mostly took upon the various aspects of McGreevey's situation one at a time -- and many chose only to seize on one particular aspect depending on an individual station/paper's partisan leanings.
Back to entertainment media, however. Arguably the most liberal show on network television - Judging Amy - no "wholesome" gay characters. There are no same-sex couples that the Grays know and welcome as dinner guests to their warm, wholesome home, touting their babies. There was only one same-sex couple that had a baby, and in that case Judge Amy Gray encountered that lesbian couple in her official capacity - on the bench - trying to determine whether or not the lesbian couple were fit enough parents to deserve their baby's birth certificate be amended to reflect them both as the baby's parents. And although Judge Gray wound up ruling in favor of the lesbian couple in the end, that's hardly a testament to the atmosphere Jacobs describes.
And Fay Jacobs seems to be making her statements in a vacuum... putting aside the examples I've brought up, she also to be ignoring the fact that Middle and Southern America clearly don't agree regardless of what images are presented on TV... we are clearly not "wholesome" enough for Missouri and Louisiana, who both voted overwhelmingly to ban the prospect of marriage equality there. Louisiana's initial vote may be thrown out, but only because the amendment would have banned not only marriage equality, but even civil unions and domestic partnerships. Where were the couples w/babies shown on the nightly news in both states shortly before the vote, in an attempt to sway voters against voting for the discriminatory amendment? I'd pose this question to Jacobs, but somehow I doubt she's bother to try to justify her incredibly inaccurate take on things. Meanwhile, Ohio,
whose citizens have polled that a majority would vote to ban it, something that may not bode well for John Kerry should the marriage equality ban make it to the November 2nd ballot.
Fay Jacobs needs to take her head out of her ass and pay attention to what's going on, the trends on the ground as well as on TV... neither one bodes well for the prospect of homoaffectionals ever being considered "wholesome" enough to be allowed to marry or raise kids, let alone "too" wholesome. But that figures, what with the Advocate's choices of writers, who often tend to live in their own words - what with Andrew Sullivan, so insulated in his rich world where the Republican Party has no choice but to tolerate him, so that it takes him 4 years to realize what a danger to humanity Resident Bush is, and not just to the prospects of marriage equality... and Fay Jacobs, who lives in a gay resort town like Rehoboth Beach, where she can take it for granted that many gay families can be perceived as wholesome. Did she ever bother to drag her ass to the Boston State House, where tired protesters, standing inside and outside the building for hours, were
desperate to convince legislators that would rather have been anywhere but there, that they were worthy of marrying and raising families, over the rabid objections of the religious wrong? No, I suppose it wouldn't have fit in her memoirs of a delusional existence where it is believed that all of gay America has it as easy as she does. Did she ever bother to acknowledge the existence of the Matthew Shepard Foundation, which is trying desperately to bring awareness to the plight of runaway lesbian & gay youth, thrown out of their homes, who have to turn to prostitution in the hopes of not having to sleep under a bridge, or in some condemned building, for the night? No... I suppose having her actually write about these kinds of things would be too much of an intrusion on her cushy, "lesbian-friendly" existence. But if she stepped outside of her sheltered location, stopped obsessing over the exceptions like Rosie O'Donnell being repeatedly
interviewed about life with her wife Kelli and 300 adopted kids on "liberal" ABC, turned off the reruns of the Hillary & Julie Goodridge news footage, she might see things as they are, and could perhaps write articles that reflect life the way it is for the overwhelmingly vast majority of lesbians in America.
Read about the Bush family's long history in bed with neo-nazi groups and maybe you'll have a true understanding of why everyone seems to be afraid of this administration, including members of his own party, and why, we, the peoplemust make them go!! This was worth the FBI drawing attention to itself and raiding the servers of IndyMedia, so you know how badly the Bush administration doesn't want you to read it:
How To Make A Good Lesbian Movie by Malinda Lo, Special to 365Gay.com
Watching a lesbian movie is a bit like having dinner with your family. You want it to go well because you love them and want to support them, but it’s equally likely that it will go sideways pretty quickly.
I’d like to hope that every lesbian flick I see is a brilliant representation of queer women, but the truth is that a lesbian with a camera and a story idea does not automatically translate into a good film. After watching a string of mediocre lesbian movies recently, I was about to conclude that it might actually be dangerous to combine lesbians with film cameras.
But taking a look back at some of our best first-time features, including Go Fish, The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love, D.E.B.S., and Desert Hearts, showed me that good films can indeed go hand-in-hand with low budgets, inexperienced actors, and first-time directors. It just requires that magic combination of solid storytelling, acting skill, and directorial confidence—obviously something that is much easier to say than do.
One of the most important elements of a good film—if not the most important—is good storytelling. This doesn’t mean we have to have a plot filled with red herrings and fast-paced car chases, but it does mean that a good story is about more than “high concept.”
How to Pick Up Girls (2003), which recently screened at the 2004 Austin Gay and Lesbian International Film Festival, starts off with a hilarious idea: two dating-savvy dykes teach their shy best friends how to pick up girls. Filmed in the style of a “mockumentary,” each of the four women tells stories about their (bad) date experiences, and we follow along as they fumble their way into romantic relationships.
Unfortunately, the great concept gets lost in a meandering storyline that distracts attention from character development, and left me mostly confused. At the end of the movie I couldn’t remember the characters’ names, and I wasn’t particularly enthralled by their dating conquests. What was memorable were the funny Saturday Night Live-type segments interspersed throughout the film, including things not to do during your first date, and a brief documentary in which a string of lesbians recount their worst dating experiences.
In comparison, The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love (1995), Maria Maggenti’s first feature, shows us that it’s not important to have a high concept in order to create a memorable movie. Based on the tried-and-true teen romance formula, Two Girls in Love tells the story of Randy Dean (Laurel Holloman), a girl from the wrong side of the tracks, who falls for rich popular girl Evie Roy (Nicole Parker). Their romance, while slightly complicated by homophobic friends, sticks to the traditional first-love storyline, and allows the viewer to get to know both characters as they get to know each other. As a result, by the end of the movie we’re rooting for the girls’ romance to succeed because we’ve seen how both characters care about each other.
Another example of a good story concept gone wrong can be found in the movie Make a Wish (2002), which has screened this year at various gay and lesbian film festivals across the country. Directed by Sharon Ferranti, the film puts a lesbian twist on the slasher genre made infamous by Friday the 13th, and centers on Susan (Moynan King) and her annual birthday weekend camping trip—to which she invites all of her ex-girlfriends. This could result in enough dyke drama to make for a seriously horrific weekend in the woods, even without the crazed serial killer who is killing off all of Susan’s exes one by one.
However, the storyline is hampered by bad dialogue and overly-predictable plotting. The heavy foreshadowing that precedes each character’s death is amplified by “scary” music that signals the arrival of the serial killer. And it’s obvious from early on in the film who the prime suspect is—not because she is painted as an evil psychopath but because so much care is taken to distract attention away from her.
In comparison, Angela Robinson’s D.E.B.S. (her first feature film), which puts a lesbian twist on a different Hollywood formula—a top-secret spy agency along the lines of Charlie’s Angels meets James Bond—succeeds because its plot, while predictable, is written with tongue firmly planted in cheek. It incorporates unbelievable coincidences into the story with a wink and a nudge (for example, the heroine literally running into the villainess and then falling in love with her), whereas the unbelievable coincidences in Make a Wish (a girl wanders the wrong way in the woods only to be killed, for example) are somewhat boring because they lack a sense of humor, or because the humor is so over the top it's not that funny.
To be fair, it’s not necessary to have a complicated plot to tell a good story; a good movie can instead be character-driven. That requires, of course, fully-developed characters who go beyond stereotypes (for example, the studly butch, the shy femme, the vampy sex vixen). Few lesbian films reach this level of complexity because too many of them depend on the characters’ identities as lesbians as their defining characteristic, or they try too hard to cram too many Important Lessons into the film.
An example of the former is Everything Relative (1996), which spends so much time focusing on its characters' identities as lesbians that you want to scream "Enough already! We get it!" before you're even halfway through the film. An example of the latter is It's in the Water (1996), a mildly entertaining lesbian love story which is hindered by the fact that its two interesting lead characters are surrounded by thinly drawn (and frequently, poorly acted) supporting characters and subplots. While the relationship between the two women is nuanced, it's overshadowed by subplots that are trying too hard to hit you over the head with messages about AIDS, the hypocrisy of the anti-gay movement, and the cost of social conformity.
By contrast, Donna Deitch’s classic Desert Hearts (1985) tackles a similar subject--the growing relationship between two women, only one of whom identifies as gay--but includes nuanced, three-dimensional characters and storylines. The character of Vivian (Helen Shaver), a professor who comes to Reno to obtain a divorce, and the woman she falls in love with, Cay (Patricia Charbonneau) are both multilayered and complex, as are the supporting characters. Like It's in the Water, Desert Hearts also explores social hypocrisy and the cost of conformity, but it does so in a subtle, intricate way that supports the central storyline rather than detracting from it.
It’s still not enough just to have a good story and good characters, however; a good film also must have a good director. This means that the director has to be comfortable with using the camera, adept at coaxing performances out of the actors, and skilled at translating the story into film. The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love was Maria Maggenti’s first full-length feature, and it shows in some of the scenes, where the camera angles are noticeably awkward. Similarly, much of Go Fish—a first-time feature from Rose Troche, who went on to direct several episodes of Six Feet Under and The L Word—seems filmed by amateurs, but both movies have other qualities that makes those clumsy elements forgivable, including good storytelling and, most notably, decent acting.
It’s not surprising that many first-time films feature young actors in their first film roles, and a certain amount of inexperience is to be expected. Laurel Holloman, Nicole Parker, Guinevere Turner, and Patricia Charbonneau were all first-timers when they hit the big screen in their lesbian roles. What sets them apart is the fact that they all understood what it took to act on film: understatement.
Unlike theater, where actors often exaggerate their expressions (to a certain extent) because they are on stage, and thus farther away from the audience that is watching them, film and television acting is based on the close-up. This means that too much eyebrow-lifting or contorted expressions of surprise/sadness/anger/etc. simply looks ridiculous on screen.
The painful result of these kinds of contortions can perhaps be most clearly and infamously seen in Bar Girls (1995), but it is also evident in many films today, like Lee Friedlander's recent Girl Play, which won a major award at the Outfest 2004 Film Competition. The film was adapted from a play, and it shows: while the exaggerated acting and the actors' habit of talking directly into the camera may work for theater, it doesn't translate well to film. The movie has other things going for it, but it could have been so much better if those involved truly understood the difference between stage and screen.
One of the best actors in How to Pick Up Girls is Bryher Grey, who plays a shy butch named Em. In comparison to the other actors in the film—many of whom seem theater-trained—Grey was simply a writer who stumbled into her role because she knew the cast and director. Her lack of theater training shows (in a good way) because she is one of the few actors who doesn’t overact.
Filmmaking is an expensive hobby, but the success of films like Go Fish show us that it doesn’t take a big budget to make a good movie. Go Fish was filmed on a budget of $15,000 and ended up grossing $2.4 million. As The Washington Post noted in 1994, “Shot in black-and-white and seemingly run through a food processor, this grainy, indifferently edited film is made up of vignettes separated by inscrutably artsy montages of spinning tops and whatnot. Still, its high spirits, candor, wit and heart prevail over its outward cheesiness.”
So if you’re a talented novice filmmaker with a great story to tell, take heart: you don’t need a big budget to make that movie, you just need to embrace the idea that execution is as important as a good concept, and that "more" isn't always better when it comes to acting and writing.
As our advent calendar of 2003 was such a great success, we decided
to do another one. Every day, you will find a treat - maybe a clip, a
fanfic, or a music video. We hope you enjoy it and we'd very much
appreciate your feedback.
dykesvision.com/advent
The Outing of Marcia Cross Sarah Warn, February 8, 2005
It started with a single post on popular gay gossip forum Datalounge.com on February 1st, from an anonymous poster who signed their name simply "Your Friendly Spy at ABC":
All those who assumed it was one of the husbands that was going to come out of the closet on [ABC's Desperate Housewives] (as promised by creator Marc Cherry) are off-track. The gay character is actually going to be Bree’s son, the pot-smoking problem teen who was behind the wheel of the car that put Carlos’s mother into a coma earlier this season. Expect to see more of him next season when all will be revealed re his sexuality, with Bree of course worried that her overbearing nature is the cause of it.
In other Desperate Housewives news, another cast member is going to come out of the closet in real life with the help of an upcoming cover of The Advocate and a string of talk show appearances. Just in time for May sweeps. Yes, I do know which cast member (it’s the talk of the set thanks to the fact said cast member wants to give The Advocate the exclusive – the editor is a close friend of the star - before announcing it to the rest of the media and so the coming out process is as complicated as the plans for a war) but I will keep mom on who exactly it is other than to say that it won’t be much of a surprise to those on DL. Oh, and the gay cast member will also announce a relationship with the lead of another TV series.
The thread quickly became one of the more popular ones on the forum, as posters quickly identified Marcia Cross as the lesbian Housewives starbased on a process of elimination (discarding those Housewives currently married, like Felicity Huffman), clues like the Spy's use of the word "mom" in the "I will keep mom on who exactly it is," (Cross plays Stepford mom Bree on Housewives) and the fact that Marcia Cross (who came to fame in the 1990s as Kimberly on Melrose Place) has been rumored to be a lesbian for years.
Then speculation turned to who Cross was in a relationship with, and further hints by the ABC Spy that the woman was a brunette and a lead on a WB series prompted speculation of women Lauren Graham (Gilmore Girls), Lori Loughlin and Merrin Dungey (Summerland), and even 23-year-old Jessica Pare (Jack and Bobby)--with just as many posters arguing the WB clue was a red herring and it was really Sex and the City's Kristin Davis.
Meanwhile, blogs like QueerDay.com began linking to the thread later in the week, and by the weekend, it was the talk of the internet.
Then on Sunday, a few tabloids like The New York Daily News and UK-based The Sun went public with the rumor--with headlines like "Housewives Star: 'I'm Gay'"--and by Monday morning, more traditional news outlets had jumped on the bandwagon. The LA-based syndicated TV show Good Morning Live mentioned it on their Monday morning show:
"Well listen up everybody, there is word today that one of the characters on Desperate Housewives will come out of the closet, and he's expected to be joined by one of the stars coming out in real-life. So listen up. A source says that Bree Van De Kamp's son, Andrew, will be revealed as a gay character. He's the one who's been smoking pot and who ran down Gabrielle's mother-in-law. Now the bigger rumor is that the actress who plays Bree, Marcia Cross, is going to reveal that she's gay in real-life. Word is that she's gonna be on the cover of The Advocate magazine and she's also going to tour all the talk shows and talk about it. Now expect all of this to happen around the time of May sweeps."
CNN news anchor Heidi Collins joined in the fray with this mention on the CNN show American Morning:
And it is one of the hottest shows on television, but will it hook even more viewers now with its latest plot twist? Reports that someone on ABC's Desperate Housewives is about to come out of the closet on the show and in real life. Word is the son of Marcia Cross, character Bree, will admit to be being gay. The rumor mill is also swirling that Marcia Cross will come out herself in the gay magazine The Advocate. The magazine says it has nothing is planned. The plot thickens.
Monday night's broadcast of syndicated TV celebrity gossip show Inside Edition showed a clip of the host asking the Desperate Housewives stars at the SAG awards about a rumor that one of the cast members is going to come out of the closet. They just laughed it off, and Housewives co-star Doug Savant joked, "Not unless it's Eva coming out of the closet with a new wardrobe."
E! Online's TV and gossip columnist Kristin was asked in her weekly chat on Monday about the rumor that a cast member of Desperate Housewives was going to come out, and she responded "I hadn't heard that, but I wouldn't be surprised." Later, when the transcript of the chat was posted, her response was changed to "I hadn't heard that, but I'm not outing anyone."
By this morning, it was the topic everyone was talking about, on and off the internet.
Internet and tabloid gossip about the personal life of stars is nothing new, but this appears to be the first time that a rumor started solely by an anonymous internet poster on a message board has become a "source" for traditional news outlets.
News and entertainment shows on channels like CNN have increasingly referenced or reported on internet gossip over the last few years, but usually in vague terms. The fact that CNN's American Morning and Good Morning Live actually named Cross, rather than simply raising the question of whether someone on Desperate Housewives is coming out, is surprising. It also lends credibility to the rumor, since their phalanx of lawyers would be unlikely to allow them to name Cross on-air unless they had sources who privately confirmed the information.
It's possible that Cross's publicists are behind the rumor in the first place. Stars and their publicists have a long history of using the press to "leak" information like this, and they're increasingly using the internet as an even faster method of testing the potential impact of the information, building buzz about their client, and keeping the client at arm's length should the information prove too damaging.
Last year's Cynthia Nixon outing is a great example of this: Nixon's revelation was almost old news by the time she spoke a word about it directly.
On the other hand, virtually all subsequent coverage of the "news" about Cross coming out stems from a single anonymous message board post--which hardly gives the rumor a high degree of credibility.
This fact speaks to the larger lesson of this incident: regardless of whether the gossip is true, there has clearly been a sea change in the way news is made and reported in this country. Nothing highlights the way the internet has changed the landscape of American pop culture more than when anonymous message board posts have the ability to make or break news.
It also speaks to the increasingly vulnerability of closeted stars, since anonymous message board posters are not bound by the same rules as journalists, nor are they as willing to play by the publicists' rules.
Closeted celebrities, however, can take some comfort in the fact that there have been rumors about various celebrities' sexuality for years, and most of it never goes beyond gossip to become news. It only happened this time because the gossip combined very specific information about an impending event (not just the fact that Cross is gay, but that she's coming out in May in The Advocate) involving a woman long rumored to be gay who stars on the most popular show on television.
If Cross does come out, it will be a big win for lesbian visibility. But regardless of her sexual orientation, this story is a testament to the increasingly prominent role of the internet in journalism, and the increasing difficulty public figures face in controlling the flow of information.
'Simpsons’ surprise: It’s Patty: Marge’s sister gay By Sarah Rodman Monday, February 21, 2005It was a gay old time in Springfield last night.
In a ``Simpsons'' episode titled ``There's Something About Marrying,'' Patty Bouvier, one of Marge Simpson's chain-smoking, MacGyver-loving sisters, came out of the closet.
Mayor Quimby legalized gay marriage as a means to boost tourism in Springfield.
After Rev. Lovejoy turned away the influx of homoaffectionals seeking state sanction, Homer decided to get in on the matri-money by becoming an Internet minister. Patty then showed up at the Simpsons' door hoping that Homer could join her with her LPGA girlfriend Veronica.
The only one caught off guard by the news of Patty's Sapphic preferences was Marge herself. As Homer put it, ``Yeah, Marge, here's another surprise, I like beer.''
Sadly, Patty was thwarted in her desire to get married when Veronica was unmasked at the ceremony as a man.
Fans of the long-running show have been buzzing about who would be outed since creator Matt Groening announced the storyline last July. But the most likely individuals - including Burns lackey Waylon Smithers and close buddies Lenny and Carl - didn't even appear in the episode.
Instead, Groening and the show's writers put Marge's liberalism to the test by putting the action in her own family. After the shock wore off she accepted her sister's orientation.
While the episode didn't register high on the hilarity meter, the animated series must've scored some kind of milestone by featuring more same-sex kisses in 22 minutes than have been seen in prime time in the last 10 years, including one involving Homer and himself. Now that's Homerffectional. D'oh!
Ok, a bit late, but this poor, terribly negelected group should have
it, too:
A link to our DykesVision Advent Calendar, with yummy bits and bites
to sweeten the days of the Christmas season!
http://www.dykesvision.com/advent_2005
Enjoy!
In 2004 their was a pilot made for a new show entitled "Nikki and
Nora" starring Christina Cox and Liz Vassey that was set to air on
UPN. However the episode never aired and the show never had a chance.
It was about two New Orleans detectives who were partners on and off
the police force. From watching the pilot I could see the show had a
lot of potential. By the time I was finished watching it I wanted
more. It really is a shame that it didn't get picked up.
You can check the pilot out yourself at:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z2Z-JLz8wmc