Actually, I have noticed on my SD TV - which has just stereo speakers built
in - the audio mix on the HD channels (which the 4250 box will downconvert
in letterboxed format) is definitely different. I'm not sure if it's trying
to "downconvert" the 5.1 mix, and so it leaves a lot of the ambient sound
and music louder than the voices which are typically center channel - but
it's not right, that's for sure.  Changing the TV to mono does not help.  Of
course I can fire up my surround system, but sometimes you just dont' want
to fire up the full blown audio system just to watch an old episode of NCIS.

--*Rob

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Stan Sidlov <stanleys@...> wrote:

>
>
> I like the HD feeds because they have better sound particularly things
> like YES. I want the full 5.1 audio.
>
> I go to people's homes with HD sets, and they always have
> stretch-o-vision on for SD channels or non-16:9 material, I sit there
> wondering why it looks like everyone's overweight and flat-headed. If
> I comment on it, I get told that they don't like sidebars (if they
> understand) or that 'that's the way it's always been' or just are
> generally confused.... Once I was invited over somewhere and they
> were watching in 'Pan and Scan' mode and the actor on screen was
> talking to someone not in the shot anymore - they thought it was
> normal.....
>
> I was at the CV store when a guy was yelling at the cust serv ladies
> about the side bars and top and bottom bars that appeared on his quote
> "$5k HD" and that it must be the stb and he wanted another (which they
> gave him without issue) but I interjected myself as he was gathering
> up his replacement box to tell him, that not all the material being
> shown is 16:9 on all the channels all the time (a HD channel showing
> non-HD shot material) and that the bars will appear and to not screw
> with the setup to force the fill so that it wouldn't be a distorted
> image. But who knows what he ended up with when he reconnected the
> box.....
>
> FWIW, I got a 'unable to display channel' message last weekend on a
> PPV/Subscriber channel. Basic bandwidth issues are still exist, and
> since STB boxes represent a significant amount of cash flow each month
> (though I wonder if they have worked out a monthly lease type
> agreement with SA and moto) I don't see any changes in the last base
> analog signals for another few years, as there are number of towns in
> NJ who are threatening to sue CV over the loss of channels forcing the
> use of a stb, particularly when it's the 'local town' channel and that
> this is not a technology issue but that it's a 'hidden rate increase'.
> It's not CV fault if the customer doesn't own a TV that has no tuner
> for QAM or cablecard support just as it wasn't their fault back in the
> 70s when standard cable tuning was not part of a TV's internals.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Aaron Clow
<lists1@...<lists1%40tiserves.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:42 -0800, "John Hedger"
<pallhedge@...<pallhedge%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >> Nah, you got me all wrong.  You think this is progress.  If I thought
> the
> >> same, I'd be all for it.  Hell, I actually *AM* for it.  All I'm
> fighting
> >> for is a workaround so I don't have to watch crappy stretch-o-vision,
> >> which you don't like either.  And you're making me out to be a dinosaur
> >> for that.
> >
> > You got me. I concede. After thinking about it a bit, it's not really
> > progress I guess if it's making us watch something that's incorrect.
> >
> > I would suppose this is part of "forcing" HD onto HD sets. How many
> > people do you know that have HD sets that still watch 02 or 04? I know a
> > couple at least. Until I got my wife into the habit of watching the
> > 700's, I'd come home and I'd be like, "why aren't you watching this in
> > HD? I guess I was just happy to know that if an HD feed of a station is
> > available, I'll always get that feed no matter what channel I'm on. I
> > kind of like that idea.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I like the HD feeds because they have better sound particularly things
like YES. I want the full 5.1 audio.

I go to people's homes with HD sets, and they always have
stretch-o-vision on for SD channels or non-16:9 material, I sit there
wondering why it looks like everyone's overweight and flat-headed. If
I comment on it, I get told that they don't like sidebars (if they
understand) or that 'that's the way it's always been' or  just are
generally confused....  Once I was invited over somewhere and they
were watching in 'Pan and Scan' mode and the actor on screen was
talking to someone not in the shot anymore - they thought it was
normal.....

  I was at the CV store when a guy was yelling at the cust serv ladies
about the side bars and top and bottom bars that appeared on his quote
"$5k HD" and that it must be the stb and he wanted another (which they
gave him without issue) but I interjected myself as he was gathering
up his replacement box to tell him, that not all the material being
shown is 16:9 on all the channels all the time  (a HD channel showing
non-HD shot material) and that the bars will appear  and to not screw
with the setup to force the fill so that it wouldn't be a distorted
image. But who knows what he ended up with when he reconnected the
box.....


FWIW, I got a 'unable to display channel' message last weekend on a
PPV/Subscriber channel. Basic bandwidth issues are still exist, and
since STB boxes represent a significant amount of cash flow each month
(though I wonder if they have worked out a monthly lease type
agreement with SA and moto) I don't see any changes in the last base
analog signals for another few years, as there are number of towns in
NJ who are threatening to sue CV over the loss of channels forcing the
use of a stb, particularly when it's the 'local town' channel and that
this is not a technology issue but that it's a 'hidden rate increase'.
  It's not CV fault if the customer doesn't own a TV that has no tuner
for QAM or cablecard support just as it wasn't their fault back in the
70s when standard cable tuning was not part of a TV's internals.


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Aaron Clow <lists1@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:42 -0800, "John Hedger" <pallhedge@...>
> wrote:
>> Nah, you got me all wrong.  You think this is progress.  If I thought the
>> same, I'd be all for it.  Hell, I actually *AM* for it.  All I'm fighting
>> for is a workaround so I don't have to watch crappy stretch-o-vision,
>> which you don't like either.  And you're making me out to be a dinosaur
>> for that.
>
> You got me. I concede. After thinking about it a bit, it's not really
> progress I guess if it's making us watch something that's incorrect.
>
> I would suppose this is part of "forcing" HD onto HD sets. How many
> people do you know that have HD sets that still watch 02 or 04? I know a
> couple at least. Until I got my wife into the habit of watching the
> 700's, I'd come home and I'd be like, "why aren't you watching this in
> HD? I guess I was just happy to know that if an HD feed of a station is
> available, I'll always get that feed no matter what channel I'm on. I
> kind of like that idea.
>
>
>
>

so many people using phones though,

what's worse, moving a cursor 10 times to go from q to p or 6 times
max for any letter?


Nov 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Clayton <krbeyond@...> wrote:
> The keyboard should be a QWERT format not 3 letters per button.
>
>

The keyboard should be a QWERT format not 3 letters per button.


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Marc" <in4ex@...> wrote:
>
> They seem to be doing that -- has anyone noticed that the interactive guide is
really interactive now?  You can type in a title, type of program, etc... using
the remote and a special alpha-numeric keyboard on screen and even save your
searches.
>
> --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Martz <jeffmartz@> wrote:
> >
> > Cablevision should redo the software completely so that it looks more
> > modern.  We are way overdue for an upgrade.
> >
>

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:42 -0800, "John Hedger" <pallhedge@...>
wrote:
> Nah, you got me all wrong.  You think this is progress.  If I thought the
> same, I'd be all for it.  Hell, I actually *AM* for it.  All I'm fighting
> for is a workaround so I don't have to watch crappy stretch-o-vision,
> which you don't like either.  And you're making me out to be a dinosaur
> for that.

You got me. I concede. After thinking about it a bit, it's not really
progress I guess if it's making us watch something that's incorrect.

I would suppose this is part of "forcing" HD onto HD sets. How many
people do you know that have HD sets that still watch 02 or 04? I know a
couple at least. Until I got my wife into the habit of watching the
700's, I'd come home and I'd be like, "why aren't you watching this in
HD? I guess I was just happy to know that if an HD feed of a station is
available, I'll always get that feed no matter what channel I'm on. I
kind of like that idea.

Meant "100000030 for HGTV-SD"

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, John Hedger <pallhedge@...> wrote:






... Channel 100000030, for HDTV-SD if that's what it takes....










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nah, you got me all wrong.  You think this is progress.  If I thought the
same, I'd be all for it.  Hell, I actually *AM* for it.  All I'm fighting for
is a workaround so I don't have to watch crappy stretch-o-vision, which you
don't like either.  And you're making me out to be a dinosaur for that.
 
Progress is permanently removing analogs or utilizing SDV to reclaim
bandwidth.  It's annoying and requires sacrifice from some
subscribers--including me.  I'm all for sacrificing analog for a better overall
product.  I welcome the future.  Never once have I complained about analog
removal.  In fact, I've advocated removing it all if it would improve my HD
picture quality.
 
This new feature isn't progressive, it's restrictive.  It doesn't truly get
rid of any SD, doesn't reclaim any bandwidth, and doesn't make room for more
channels.  All it does is disable HD boxes from tuning certain SD channels. 
If it's still on my cable wire, why not let me tune to it?  Channel 100000030,
for HDTV-SD if that's what it takes, I don't care.  Why would that bother you
so much?  How would that ruin the future of television?  How am I standing in
the way of progress?
 
Finally, you asked how much longer we'd have duplicate SD/HD channels.  Are you
really saying that SD is nearly obsolete?  Seriously?  All those SD
televisions?  All those SD STBs?  Ready for the scrap heap?  Is that why you
think CV is doing this?  Preparing for the end of SD?  Come on. 

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Aaron Clow <lists1@...> wrote:


From: Aaron Clow <lists1@...>
Subject: Re: [cablevision_digital] Re: SD channels now HD channels
To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:27 PM


 



On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:48 -0800, "John Hedger" <pallhedge@yahoo. com>
wrote:

> I should have a channel#, however inconvenient, that I can tune to in
> order to watch/record an SD channel.  You should want that too.  I can't,
> for the life of me, understand why anyone wouldn't.

Because I don't want any more SD channels. I want everything upconverted
if possible. Why is that so hard to understand?

For how much longer are we going to have duplicate SD/HD channels?
Everything is moving to HD eventually, even 4:3 material will be
upconverted and broadcast at 720p or 1080i (hopefully at the proper
aspect ratio). If you have an HD box, that most likely means you have an
HD set. I always want the HD signal. That's just the way it is.

You can argue your point until the cows fly home, but you're just going
to be frustrated because the future is moving against you.










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well I did the reboot and the placeholders came back, plus a couple others that
I hadn't noticed went missing before.  I couldn't bring the guide up so it's
going through another reboot now.  Sorry for the false alarm.

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rob_tyska@...> wrote:
>
> So far it sounds like it's just me.  Will reboot the box.
>
> --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up...
> >
> > Actually, just checked the DVR. Modern Family is still scheduled for
> > next week, Wed, Nov 18, 2009 9:00 PM.
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:11 +0000, "Rob" <rob_tyska@> wrote:
> > > I noticed this morning that my first run scheduled recordings for "Modern
> > > Family" and "Cougar Town" on ABC were no longer in my scheduled
> > > recordings.  Theses shows were preempted last night by the CMA's but the
> > > placeholders were there last night.  Next week the new episodes return
> > > but my DVR didn't schedule them, I had to set them up again.  These are
> > > popular shows so I'm sure other people have them set up too, can anyone
> > > else confirm this happening to them?
> > >
> >
>

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:48 -0800, "John Hedger" <pallhedge@...>
wrote:

> I should have a channel#, however inconvenient, that I can tune to in
> order to watch/record an SD channel.  You should want that too.  I can't,
> for the life of me, understand why anyone wouldn't.

Because I don't want any more SD channels. I want everything upconverted
if possible. Why is that so hard to understand?

For how much longer are we going to have duplicate SD/HD channels?
Everything is moving to HD eventually, even 4:3 material will be
upconverted and broadcast at 720p or 1080i (hopefully at the proper
aspect ratio). If you have an HD box, that most likely means you have an
HD set. I always want the HD signal. That's just the way it is.

You can argue your point until the cows fly home, but you're just going
to be frustrated because the future is moving against you.

No one is saying that CV is at fault for how networks show their content on HD
channels.  I don't know why you're changing the issue.  Right now, I can easily
switch to Holmes on Holmes (to use your example) on HGTV-SD, but soon I won't be
able to at all unless I get a 2nd cable box.  That's the issue.  Oh and it
happens to be a DVR.  So I'd have to pay $15/mo. extra just to have access to
all the channels I currently have.  Would I do that?  Absolutely not.  Should I
even have to consider it?  Of course not.
 
I should have a channel#, however inconvenient, that I can tune to in order
to watch/record an SD channel.  You should want that too.  I can't, for the life
of me, understand why anyone wouldn't.

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Aaron Clow <lists1@...> wrote:







I just happened to witness this firsthand a few days ago. They were
showing an older episode of Holmes on Holmes and it was stretched.

This isn't CV's issue, it's HG-HD. If they're not honoring the proper
aspect ratio, it's not CV's fault.

CV should still be broadcasting the proper aspect ratio (which is 16:9,
even though HG-HD is stretching it). I don't expect them to be
monitoring HG-HD and switch the aspect ratio for me. If I have a problem
with that, I'm going to write to HGTV.

It happens infrequently enough that it doesn't really bother me. The
main networks honor the proper aspect ratio, and so should CV.

Bravo, indeed.






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

So far it sounds like it's just me.  Will reboot the box.

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the heads up...
>
> Actually, just checked the DVR. Modern Family is still scheduled for
> next week, Wed, Nov 18, 2009 9:00 PM.
>
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:11 +0000, "Rob" <rob_tyska@...> wrote:
> > I noticed this morning that my first run scheduled recordings for "Modern
> > Family" and "Cougar Town" on ABC were no longer in my scheduled
> > recordings.  Theses shows were preempted last night by the CMA's but the
> > placeholders were there last night.  Next week the new episodes return
> > but my DVR didn't schedule them, I had to set them up again.  These are
> > popular shows so I'm sure other people have them set up too, can anyone
> > else confirm this happening to them?
> >
>

I just happened to witness this firsthand a few days ago. They were
showing an older episode of Holmes on Holmes and it was stretched.

This isn't CV's issue, it's HG-HD. If they're not honoring the proper
aspect ratio, it's not CV's fault.

CV should still be broadcasting the proper aspect ratio (which is 16:9,
even though HG-HD is stretching it). I don't expect them to be
monitoring HG-HD and switch the aspect ratio for me. If I have a problem
with that, I'm going to write to HGTV.

It happens infrequently enough that it doesn't really bother me. The
main networks honor the proper aspect ratio, and so should CV.

Bravo, indeed.

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:25 -0800, "John Hedger" <pallhedge@...>
wrote:
> Bravo Aaron, you actually make a perfect argument AGAINST what CV is
> doing here.  Have you watched any stretched upconverts on TNT-HD or Food
> Network HD or others?  CV will be forcing you to watched stretched
> programming and giving you absolutely no way around it by disabling your
> 4:3 SD alternative.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Aaron Clow <lists1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Aaron Clow <lists1@...>
> Subject: Re: [cablevision_digital] Re: SD channels now HD channels
> To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com,
> cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 1:25 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> So the issue is that you don't want bars on the left and right if
> they're only broadcasting 4:3?
>
> To me, that is WAY preferable to a stretched image. I want the proper
> aspect ratio, and that should ALWAYS be the default. That's just not my
> opinion, it's a matter of "correct" vs. "distorted."
>
> Stretching a 4:3 image is a preference that you should have to go
> through extra steps to make work. Proper aspect ratio should ALWAYS be
> honored by the STB.
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:17 +0000, "Clayton" <krbeyond@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > I want everything in HD too but the thing is the networks. Not all
> > channels broadcast in widecreen and in HD 24/7 except for fox news and a
> > few others I don't even like fox news so I don't watch that channel too
> > much. But now, every time I change channels I have to expand the image so
> > I don't get those bars or I have to reduce the image so I can get the
> > rest of the image. It's rather annoying. CV should do this but it should
> > be done when all or at least most channels broadcast in widescreen. I
> > don't want to keep changing the screen setting so I will just have to
> > watch it with those bars on some channels.
> >
> >
> > --- In cablevision_ digital@yahoogro ups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
> > > <in4ex@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> > > > there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without
cutting
> > > > off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another
> > > > reason why recording off standard definition was better. Please bring
> > > > them back!
> > >
> > > I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is "progress."
> > >
> > > The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.
> > >
> > > Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
> > > we can get a better picture and/or more channels.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for the heads up...

Actually, just checked the DVR. Modern Family is still scheduled for
next week, Wed, Nov 18, 2009 9:00 PM.

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:11 +0000, "Rob" <rob_tyska@...> wrote:
> I noticed this morning that my first run scheduled recordings for "Modern
> Family" and "Cougar Town" on ABC were no longer in my scheduled
> recordings.  Theses shows were preempted last night by the CMA's but the
> placeholders were there last night.  Next week the new episodes return
> but my DVR didn't schedule them, I had to set them up again.  These are
> popular shows so I'm sure other people have them set up too, can anyone
> else confirm this happening to them?
>

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Martz <jeffmartz@...> wrote:
>
> Cablevision should redo the software completely so that it looks more
> modern.  We are way overdue for an upgrade.
>
>
>
<SNIP>


Yeah, they should redo the DVR software to make the program recording more
reliable.

Ben

I had my boxes reboot yesterday, for whatever reason, so I figured this would be
a good time to bug anyone listening how my 2 External HDs still aren't
recognized after a box reboot.

I consider this a pretty major issue and one that shouldn't be too hard to fix.

Hopefully, someone out there is working on it.

They seem to be doing that -- has anyone noticed that the interactive guide is
really interactive now?  You can type in a title, type of program, etc... using
the remote and a special alpha-numeric keyboard on screen and even save your
searches.

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Martz <jeffmartz@...> wrote:
>
> Cablevision should redo the software completely so that it looks more
> modern.  We are way overdue for an upgrade.
>

Bravo Aaron, you actually make a perfect argument AGAINST what CV is doing
here.  Have you watched any stretched upconverts on TNT-HD or Food Network HD
or others?  CV will be forcing you to watched stretched programming and
giving you absolutely no way around it by disabling your 4:3 SD alternative.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Aaron Clow <lists1@...> wrote:


From: Aaron Clow <lists1@...>
Subject: Re: [cablevision_digital] Re: SD channels now HD channels
To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 1:25 PM


 



So the issue is that you don't want bars on the left and right if
they're only broadcasting 4:3?

To me, that is WAY preferable to a stretched image. I want the proper
aspect ratio, and that should ALWAYS be the default. That's just not my
opinion, it's a matter of "correct" vs. "distorted."

Stretching a 4:3 image is a preference that you should have to go
through extra steps to make work. Proper aspect ratio should ALWAYS be
honored by the STB.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:17 +0000, "Clayton" <krbeyond@yahoo. com> wrote:
> I want everything in HD too but the thing is the networks. Not all
> channels broadcast in widecreen and in HD 24/7 except for fox news and a
> few others I don't even like fox news so I don't watch that channel too
> much. But now, every time I change channels I have to expand the image so
> I don't get those bars or I have to reduce the image so I can get the
> rest of the image. It's rather annoying. CV should do this but it should
> be done when all or at least most channels broadcast in widescreen. I
> don't want to keep changing the screen setting so I will just have to
> watch it with those bars on some channels.
>
>
> --- In cablevision_ digital@yahoogro ups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
> > <in4ex@...> wrote:
> >
> > > There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> > > there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without cutting
> > > off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another
> > > reason why recording off standard definition was better. Please bring
> > > them back!
> >
> > I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is "progress."
> >
> > The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.
> >
> > Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
> > we can get a better picture and/or more channels.
> >
>
>










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't record "Modern Family," but I do record "The Middle" and "Cougar Town."
If I can believe what the web-based interface to the DVR tells me, then I did
*not* lose the scheduled recordings; they're all set to go next Wednesday.

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rob_tyska@...> wrote:
>
> I noticed this morning that my first run scheduled recordings for "Modern
Family" and "Cougar Town" on ABC were no longer in my scheduled recordings. 
Theses shows were preempted last night by the CMA's but the placeholders were
there last night.  Next week the new episodes return but my DVR didn't schedule
them, I had to set them up again.  These are popular shows so I'm sure other
people have them set up too, can anyone else confirm this happening to them?
>

I noticed this morning that my first run scheduled recordings for "Modern
Family" and "Cougar Town" on ABC were no longer in my scheduled recordings. 
Theses shows were preempted last night by the CMA's but the placeholders were
there last night.  Next week the new episodes return but my DVR didn't schedule
them, I had to set them up again.  These are popular shows so I'm sure other
people have them set up too, can anyone else confirm this happening to them?

Cablevision should redo the software completely so that it looks more
modern.  We are way overdue for an upgrade.



From: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:07 AM
To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cablevision_digital] Re: SD channels now HD channels





CV should change the guide and info banner to 16:9 as well so it is
displayed on the whole screen.

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:cablevision_digital%40yahoogroups.com> , "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...>
wrote:
>
> So the issue is that you don't want bars on the left and right if
> they're only broadcasting 4:3?
>
> To me, that is WAY preferable to a stretched image. I want the proper
> aspect ratio, and that should ALWAYS be the default. That's just not my
> opinion, it's a matter of "correct" vs. "distorted."
>
> Stretching a 4:3 image is a preference that you should have to go
> through extra steps to make work. Proper aspect ratio should ALWAYS be
> honored by the STB.
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:17 +0000, "Clayton" <krbeyond@...> wrote:
> > I want everything in HD too but the thing is the networks. Not all
> > channels broadcast in widecreen and in HD 24/7 except for fox news and a
> > few others I don't even like fox news so I don't watch that channel too
> > much. But now, every time I change channels I have to expand the image
so
> > I don't get those bars or I have to reduce the image so I can get the
> > rest of the image. It's rather annoying. CV should do this but it should
> > be done when all or at least most channels broadcast in widescreen. I
> > don't want to keep changing the screen setting so I will just have to
> > watch it with those bars on some channels.
> >
> >
> > --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:cablevision_digital%40yahoogroups.com> , "Aaron Clow" <lists1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
> > > <in4ex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> > > > there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without
cutting
> > > > off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time --
another
> > > > reason why recording off standard definition was better. Please
bring
> > > > them back!
> > >
> > > I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is
"progress."
> > >
> > > The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.
> > >
> > > Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
> > > we can get a better picture and/or more channels.
> > >
> >
> >
>



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CV should change the guide and info banner to 16:9 as well so it is displayed on
the whole screen.


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...> wrote:
>
> So the issue is that you don't want bars on the left and right if
> they're only broadcasting 4:3?
>
> To me, that is WAY preferable to a stretched image. I want the proper
> aspect ratio, and that should ALWAYS be the default. That's just not my
> opinion, it's a matter of "correct" vs. "distorted."
>
> Stretching a 4:3 image is a preference that you should have to go
> through extra steps to make work. Proper aspect ratio should ALWAYS be
> honored by the STB.
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:17 +0000, "Clayton" <krbeyond@...> wrote:
> > I want everything in HD too but the thing is the networks. Not all
> > channels broadcast in widecreen and in HD 24/7 except for fox news and a
> > few others I don't even like fox news so I don't watch that channel too
> > much. But now, every time I change channels I have to expand the image so
> > I don't get those bars or I have to reduce the image so I can get the
> > rest of the image. It's rather annoying. CV should do this but it should
> > be done when all or at least most channels broadcast in widescreen. I
> > don't want to keep changing the screen setting so I will just have to
> > watch it with those bars on some channels.
> >
> >
> > --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
> > > <in4ex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> > > > there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without
cutting
> > > > off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another
> > > > reason why recording off standard definition was better.  Please bring
> > > > them back!
> > >
> > > I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is "progress."
> > >
> > > The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.
> > >
> > > Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
> > > we can get a better picture and/or more channels.
> > >
> >
> >
>

The stretched image is a bit distorted so I guess I have to watch all the 4:3 SD
shows (and there are many of them) with those annoying bars until everything is
in 1080i or 720p with a 16:9 aspect ratio. The networks will take a while to do
this unless they get a government switch over date like they had for DTV.


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...> wrote:
>
> So the issue is that you don't want bars on the left and right if
> they're only broadcasting 4:3?
>
> To me, that is WAY preferable to a stretched image. I want the proper
> aspect ratio, and that should ALWAYS be the default. That's just not my
> opinion, it's a matter of "correct" vs. "distorted."
>
> Stretching a 4:3 image is a preference that you should have to go
> through extra steps to make work. Proper aspect ratio should ALWAYS be
> honored by the STB.
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:17 +0000, "Clayton" <krbeyond@...> wrote:
> > I want everything in HD too but the thing is the networks. Not all
> > channels broadcast in widecreen and in HD 24/7 except for fox news and a
> > few others I don't even like fox news so I don't watch that channel too
> > much. But now, every time I change channels I have to expand the image so
> > I don't get those bars or I have to reduce the image so I can get the
> > rest of the image. It's rather annoying. CV should do this but it should
> > be done when all or at least most channels broadcast in widescreen. I
> > don't want to keep changing the screen setting so I will just have to
> > watch it with those bars on some channels.
> >
> >
> > --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
> > > <in4ex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> > > > there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without
cutting
> > > > off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another
> > > > reason why recording off standard definition was better.  Please bring
> > > > them back!
> > >
> > > I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is "progress."
> > >
> > > The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.
> > >
> > > Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
> > > we can get a better picture and/or more channels.
> > >
> >
> >
>

So the issue is that you don't want bars on the left and right if
they're only broadcasting 4:3?

To me, that is WAY preferable to a stretched image. I want the proper
aspect ratio, and that should ALWAYS be the default. That's just not my
opinion, it's a matter of "correct" vs. "distorted."

Stretching a 4:3 image is a preference that you should have to go
through extra steps to make work. Proper aspect ratio should ALWAYS be
honored by the STB.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:17 +0000, "Clayton" <krbeyond@...> wrote:
> I want everything in HD too but the thing is the networks. Not all
> channels broadcast in widecreen and in HD 24/7 except for fox news and a
> few others I don't even like fox news so I don't watch that channel too
> much. But now, every time I change channels I have to expand the image so
> I don't get those bars or I have to reduce the image so I can get the
> rest of the image. It's rather annoying. CV should do this but it should
> be done when all or at least most channels broadcast in widescreen. I
> don't want to keep changing the screen setting so I will just have to
> watch it with those bars on some channels.
>
>
> --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
> > <in4ex@...> wrote:
> >
> > > There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> > > there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without cutting
> > > off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another
> > > reason why recording off standard definition was better.  Please bring
> > > them back!
> >
> > I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is "progress."
> >
> > The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.
> >
> > Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
> > we can get a better picture and/or more channels.
> >
>
>

I want everything in HD too but the thing is the networks. Not all channels
broadcast in widecreen and in HD 24/7 except for fox news and a few others. I
don't even like fox news so I don't watch that channel too much. But now, every
time I change channels I have to expand the image so I don't get those bars or I
have to reduce the image so I can get the rest of the image. It's rather
annoying. CV should do this but it should be done when all or at least most
channels broadcast in widescreen. I don't want to keep changing the screen
setting so I will just have to watch it with those bars on some channels.


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Clow" <lists1@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
> <in4ex@...> wrote:
>
> > There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> > there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without cutting
> > off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another
> > reason why recording off standard definition was better.  Please bring
> > them back!
>
> I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is "progress."
>
> The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.
>
> Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
> we can get a better picture and/or more channels.
>

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:26 -0800, "Marc IN4mation EXchange"
<in4ex@...> wrote:

> There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think
> there is one setting that will fill the screen every time without cutting
> off part of the top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another
> reason why recording off standard definition was better.  Please bring
> them back!

I don't think it's going to happen. Like it or not, this is "progress."

The world is going HD, and CV seems keen on pushing people to adopt.

Not a bad thing, IMHO. Now if they can just get rid of analog, perhaps
we can get a better picture and/or more channels.

I live in the Bronx and noticed that when tuning a standard definition channel,
I am now getting the high definition version instead.  There is one exception I
noticed -- The Weather Channel, and I appreciate that as the Weather on the 8's
is actually local data as opposed to the regional data on the HD channel.

It is VERY disappointing that we no longer have access to the standard
definition channels for recording purposes.  I agree that it is convenient when
searching for channels, however it is disgraceful to customers for standard
definition channels to be taken away.

There are various settings to adjust picture size, but I don't think there is
one setting that will fill the screen every time without cutting off part of the
top and bottom of the image some of the time -- another reason why recording off
standard definition was better.  Please bring them back!

---Original message:----
SD channels now HD channels
Posted by: "Clayton" krbeyond@...   krbeyond
Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:32 pm (PST)


Anyone else notice that the local, family and premium SD channels, like CBS,
NBC, ABC, CNN, etc are now HD if you have a HD box. Channel 2 used to be the SD
feed now it's the HD feed on channel 2 and the same with all the other SD
channels that had a HD channel.

That's cool but the thing is now one channel has the bars at the side of the
screen and some don't. I can't seem to find one setting that shows the image on
the whole screen. I have to stretch the imagae on one channel and then set it
back to normal on another. It might be better if this SD to HD conversion was
done when all the channels change to wide screen, if they ever do. Many HD
channels don't show all the shows in HD and don't use wide screen 16:9 for all
their shows.

thankfully that doesn't appear to be the case on the Morris Co NJ system as of
yet

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton" <krbeyond@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone else notice that the local, family and premium SD channels, like CBS,
NBC, ABC, CNN, etc are now HD if you have a HD box. Channel 2 used to be the SD
feed now it's the HD feed on channel 2 and the same with all the other SD
channels that had a HD channel.
>
> That's cool but the thing is now one channel has the bars at the side of the
screen and some don't. I can't seem to find one setting that shows the image on
the whole screen. I have to stretch the imagae on one channel and then set it
back to normal on another. It might be better if this SD to HD conversion was
done when all the channels change to wide screen, if they ever do. Many HD
channels don't show all the shows in HD and don't use wide screen 16:9 for all
their shows.
>

Anyone else notice that the local, family and premium SD channels, like CBS,
NBC, ABC, CNN, etc are now HD if you have a HD box. Channel 2 used to be the SD
feed now it's the HD feed on channel 2 and the same with all the other SD
channels that had a HD channel.

That's cool but the thing is now one channel has the bars at the side of the
screen and some don't. I can't seem to find one setting that shows the image on
the whole screen. I have to stretch the imagae on one channel and then set it
back to normal on another. It might be better if this SD to HD conversion was
done when all the channels change to wide screen, if they ever do. Many HD
channels don't show all the shows in HD and don't use wide screen 16:9 for all
their shows.

Yup, check out my speed this morning:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/618052826.png
And compare it to last night's:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/617758319.png

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Stahs <stahs@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'm having the same problem and it has been going on for a while. I've
> checked it with several programs. At first I reset everything but, as usual
> the problem has never been with my equipment. In fact if you get 15 Mbps in
> the early morning, it is very unlikely that it is your equipment.
>
> There are just too many users on your line. Cablevision raises their rates
> while reducing services. I suspect if enough people complain they may take
> some action.
>
> I am in Morris County, NJ.
>
> From:
cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com<cablevision_digital%40yahoogroups.com>
>
[mailto:cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com<cablevision_digital%40yahoogroups.co\
m>]
> On Behalf Of Bratan
> Sent: November 09, 2009 10:14 PM
>
> To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com<cablevision_digital%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [cablevision_digital] OOL Speed Drops
>
> My download speed drops every evening for the past couple of months. It
> goes
> down to 1-3 Mbps (download), upstream stays around 2 Mbps. In the
> mornings/daytime down speed always at normal levels around 15 Mbps... Could
> it be that people on the same node hogging the bandwidth? I thought
> cablevision lines were suppose to be able to handle the load. I live in
> area
> with pretty low population density btw (Suffern, NY). Tried calling
> support,
> but their only solution is to send the Tech, and I know when he gets here
> speed we be normal...
> I tried all the usual troubleshooting (bypassing router, rebooting modem,
> etc.) I'm pretty sure it's an issue from outside. Anyone has any
> suggestions?
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/617758319.png
>
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I'm having the same problem and it has been going on for a while. I've
checked it with several programs. At first I reset everything but, as usual
the problem has never been with my equipment. In fact if you get 15 Mbps in
the early morning, it is very unlikely that it is your equipment.



There are just too many users on your line. Cablevision raises their rates
while reducing services. I suspect if enough people complain they may take
some action.

I am in Morris County, NJ.



From: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bratan
Sent: November 09, 2009 10:14 PM
To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cablevision_digital] OOL Speed Drops





My download speed drops every evening for the past couple of months. It
goes
down to 1-3 Mbps (download), upstream stays around 2 Mbps. In the
mornings/daytime down speed always at normal levels around 15 Mbps... Could
it be that people on the same node hogging the bandwidth? I thought
cablevision lines were suppose to be able to handle the load. I live in
area
with pretty low population density btw (Suffern, NY). Tried calling
support,
but their only solution is to send the Tech, and I know when he gets here
speed we be normal...
I tried all the usual troubleshooting (bypassing router, rebooting modem,
etc.) I'm pretty sure it's an issue from outside. Anyone has any
suggestions?
http://www.speedtest.net/result/617758319.png

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