So many people on here were hoping for a Setember date but apparently
its NOT going to happen.  I recently spoke with a cablevision rep and
they said the DVR boxes will be available sometime in October.  And I
can't imagine what they will say in October.  Delays, delays, delays.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with CV CSR reps and
the DVR ???  You can have one tomorrow if you go DBS "HD", TIVO
RePlay for SD etc.  The DVR will be here when it gets here not a
minute sooner. As insightful as your numerous posts are regarding the
CSR's giving you a different story everyday. You can fix that too,
Stop calling everyday.



--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "kr_beyond"
<kr_beyond@y...> wrote:
> So many people on here were hoping for a Setember date but
apparently
> its NOT going to happen.  I recently spoke with a cablevision rep
and
> they said the DVR boxes will be available sometime in October.  And
I
> can't imagine what they will say in October.  Delays, delays,
delays.

Any more rumors/talk about ABC-HD being added?


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "marcoirizarry"
<marcoirizarry@y...> wrote:
> Take it for what you will.  I was just reading HDTVPUB.com and 2
> people post that IO will be getting ABC by september.  I find less
> likely, another post that states 5 addl HD channels by end of the
> year.
>
> http://www.hdtvpub.com/local/viewReports.cfm/group_plasma-
> hdtv/zipcode_11590/dma_501/cableco_5/

Last time advanced news of ESPN being added was garnered from the CV
info channel (24 I think). Maybe we need to take it in turns to watch it
;-)

I also check the CVC stock page on yahoo daily for press releases.
Nothing yet.


Dan Ellis

R & D Manager

Distribution Management Systems, Milford, CT, 06460, USA
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	 From: rook19542002 [mailto:rook19542002@...]
	 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:03 AM
	 To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: [cablevision_digital] Re: NEW HD RUMORS (ABC Monday
Night Football)


	 Any more rumors/talk about ABC-HD being added?


	 --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "marcoirizarry"
	 <marcoirizarry@y...> wrote:
	 > Take it for what you will.  I was just reading HDTVPUB.com and
2
	 > people post that IO will be getting ABC by september.  I find
less
	 > likely, another post that states 5 addl HD channels by end of
the
	 > year.
	 >
	 > http://www.hdtvpub.com/local/viewReports.cfm/group_plasma-
	 > hdtv/zipcode_11590/dma_501/cableco_5/



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	 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:39 AM
	 To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: [cablevision_digital] LATEST DVR NEWS


	 So many people on here were hoping for a Setember date but
apparently
	 its NOT going to happen.  I recently spoke with a cablevision
rep and
	 they said the DVR boxes will be available sometime in October.
And I
	 can't imagine what they will say in October.  Delays, delays,
delays.



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--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "rook19542002"
<rook19542002@y...> wrote:
> Any more rumors/talk about ABC-HD being added?
>
it'll be available the same day that CV will make their DVR available
to us

;-)

BeRockin... chill out... if you don't like his posts, then YOU stop reading
them everyday... if this guy wants an HD Tivo or any other DVR from CV, then
that is his right...    you start out with "just out of curiousity".. then you
go on to tell him what to do....    If it don't apply, then let it fly...   I
for one am also very interested in the new DVR... extremely interested... I
don't call them to ask about it... but if I did, I wouldn't want someone here
telling me what I should and shouldn't do!... if he wants to call 10x a day,
then
that's not your business...     Don't read his posts and DO take your
medicine as per your doctor!...   and keep an eye on that blood pressure!


Innhitman

> Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with CV CSR reps and
> the DVR ???  You can have one tomorrow if you go DBS "HD", TIVO
> RePlay for SD etc.  The DVR will be here when it gets here not a
> minute sooner. As insightful as your numerous posts are regarding the
> CSR's giving you a different story everyday. You can fix that too,
> Stop calling everyday. 
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I couldn't understand why everyone was getting on this guy's case
either. I'm glad he's calling CV and giving us the update on the
forum.

That's why I read the posts here.

Joe



--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Innhitman@a... wrote:
> BeRockin... chill out... if you don't like his posts, then YOU stop
reading
> them everyday... if this guy wants an HD Tivo or any other DVR from
CV, then
> that is his right...    you start out with "just out of
curiousity".. then you
> go on to tell him what to do....    If it don't apply, then let it
fly...   I
> for one am also very interested in the new DVR... extremely
interested... I
> don't call them to ask about it... but if I did, I wouldn't want
someone here
> telling me what I should and shouldn't do!... if he wants to call
10x a day, then
> that's not your business...     Don't read his posts and DO take
your
> medicine as per your doctor!...   and keep an eye on that blood
pressure!
>
>
> Innhitman
>
> > Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with CV CSR reps
and
> > the DVR ???  You can have one tomorrow if you go DBS "HD", TIVO
> > RePlay for SD etc.  The DVR will be here when it gets here not a
> > minute sooner. As insightful as your numerous posts are regarding
the
> > CSR's giving you a different story everyday. You can fix that too,
> > Stop calling everyday. 
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Because he gives people advice without facts. He has told several people
to get a satellite dish because the dvr "is never coming".

Imagine if these people actually took up his advice.

I appreciate people looking for information but as the poster with the
SA1850 shows CV reps are not the place to find it!

I want the DVR too, but there are more important things in my life to
bother and get wound up about.


Dan Ellis

R & D Manager

Distribution Management Systems, Milford, CT, 06460, USA
www.dmsinconline.com <http://www.dmsinconline.com/>






________________________________

	 From: jemcse [mailto:jemcse@...]
	 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:45 AM
	 To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: [cablevision_digital] Re: LATEST DVR NEWS.. berockin


	 I couldn't understand why everyone was getting on this guy's
case
	 either. I'm glad he's calling CV and giving us the update on the

	 forum.

	 That's why I read the posts here.

	 Joe



	 --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Innhitman@a...
wrote:
	 > BeRockin... chill out... if you don't like his posts, then YOU
stop
	 reading
	 > them everyday... if this guy wants an HD Tivo or any other DVR
from
	 CV, then
	 > that is his right...    you start out with "just out of
	 curiousity".. then you
	 > go on to tell him what to do....    If it don't apply, then
let it
	 fly...   I
	 > for one am also very interested in the new DVR... extremely
	 interested... I
	 > don't call them to ask about it... but if I did, I wouldn't
want
	 someone here
	 > telling me what I should and shouldn't do!... if he wants to
call
	 10x a day, then
	 > that's not your business...     Don't read his posts and DO
take
	 your
	 > medicine as per your doctor!...   and keep an eye on that
blood
	 pressure!
	 >
	 >
	 > Innhitman
	 >
	 > > Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with CV CSR
reps
	 and
	 > > the DVR ???  You can have one tomorrow if you go DBS "HD",
TIVO
	 > > RePlay for SD etc.  The DVR will be here when it gets here
not a
	 > > minute sooner. As insightful as your numerous posts are
regarding
	 the
	 > > CSR's giving you a different story everyday. You can fix
that too,
	 > > Stop calling everyday.
	 > >
	 > >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Everyone is getting on his case because we all already know that the CV reps
aren't the most informed people in the world.  Why raise your bloodpressure
with a daily call, knowing you're going to get a different answer,
everytime!  I don't agree with the personal attacks, but he could lighten up
a bit and stop with the attacks on the reps.  After all, it's not their
fault that they're mis/uninformed...

   _____

From: jemcse [mailto:jemcse@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:45 AM
To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cablevision_digital] Re: LATEST DVR NEWS.. berockin


I couldn't understand why everyone was getting on this guy's case
either. I'm glad he's calling CV and giving us the update on the
forum.

That's why I read the posts here.

Joe



--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Innhitman@a... wrote:
> BeRockin... chill out... if you don't like his posts, then YOU stop
reading
> them everyday... if this guy wants an HD Tivo or any other DVR from
CV, then
> that is his right...    you start out with "just out of
curiousity".. then you
> go on to tell him what to do....    If it don't apply, then let it
fly...   I
> for one am also very interested in the new DVR... extremely
interested... I
> don't call them to ask about it... but if I did, I wouldn't want
someone here
> telling me what I should and shouldn't do!... if he wants to call
10x a day, then
> that's not your business...     Don't read his posts and DO take
your
> medicine as per your doctor!...   and keep an eye on that blood
pressure!
>
>
> Innhitman
>
> > Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with CV CSR reps
and
> > the DVR ???  You can have one tomorrow if you go DBS "HD", TIVO
> > RePlay for SD etc.  The DVR will be here when it gets here not a
> > minute sooner. As insightful as your numerous posts are regarding
the
> > CSR's giving you a different story everyday. You can fix that too,
> > Stop calling everyday.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Everyone wants the HD DVR including myself, after being a CV customer
this long I know not to call CSR's for info since they have none.
How many days in a row shuld you post the same thing over and over
and over again... It makes no sense..  The horse is dead stop beating
it


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Innhitman@a... wrote:
> BeRockin... chill out... if you don't like his posts, then YOU stop
reading
> them everyday... if this guy wants an HD Tivo or any other DVR from
CV, then
> that is his right...    you start out with "just out of
curiousity".. then you
> go on to tell him what to do....    If it don't apply, then let it
fly...   I
> for one am also very interested in the new DVR... extremely
interested... I
> don't call them to ask about it... but if I did, I wouldn't want
someone here
> telling me what I should and shouldn't do!... if he wants to call
10x a day, then
> that's not your business...     Don't read his posts and DO take
your
> medicine as per your doctor!...   and keep an eye on that blood
pressure!
>
>
> Innhitman
>
> > Just out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with CV CSR reps
and
> > the DVR ???  You can have one tomorrow if you go DBS "HD", TIVO
> > RePlay for SD etc.  The DVR will be here when it gets here not a
> > minute sooner. As insightful as your numerous posts are regarding
the
> > CSR's giving you a different story everyday. You can fix that too,
> > Stop calling everyday. 
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

An ad just ran on the Zap2it guide channel (18 here) about ordering
College Game Plan. I missed the number but I would guess the ad is
running on other systems also.

I have always listened to the Yankees games on radio while watching on
TV (as many other people do). I have been watching the analog Yes signal
on channel 70 using my TV tuner instead of the Sony digital box because
the live action was only delayed one second (with analog) vs five
seconds (with digital). Since yesterday, the Yankees games (yesterday
and today) while watching the analog Yes signal on channel 70 using my
TV tuner is now delayed the same five seconds as using the Sony digital box.

The five second delay in the live signal detracts from the enjoyment of
game. Is this extra delay on the analog Yes signal a temporary or
permanent condition?

someone find that number, im looking also, Its a good thing
it would have been my last straw, i was about to call up and cancel CV if
they did not have the gameplan this yr.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

someone find that number, im looking also, Its a good thing
it would have been my last straw, i was about to call up and cancel CV if
they did not have the gameplan this yr.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

number says 1866-414-4072
its just a basic CV number, i still dont see any of the channels listed for
it on the guide or the site. it better be here by  saturday.


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I am not joking when I tell you the show Hawaii looks better on
WNBC-TV Ch4 then WNBC-DT. The car chase scene on the HD feed as almost
not watchable :S
Has it been figured out if's a bad NBC-HD feed or over compression by
WNBC?

Since there is no longer any reason to watch the Mets, I have turned to
rooting against the Yankees ( my usual september/october activity for the past
10
years)...

I have to say I can not fathom the richest franchise in all of sports not
being broadcast in HD.   The picture is so awful.... you would think George
would
have done something about this by now.   Perhaps he is one of those old
fogies who could care less about technology...

Whatever the reason is, this is just stupid.

I might never see my team win again, but at least I get to see them lose in
HD.

Innhitman


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I guess it depends on the system. Here both the digital and analog YES
have a delay from the radio broadcast. The analog delay is longer then
the digital channel delay. It been like this for awhile now.
The digital channel will have a delay cause it's being encoded from
the analog yes feed.
--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Barry Koopersmith
<bkoopers@o...> wrote:
> The five second delay in the live signal detracts from the enjoyment of
> game. Is this extra delay on the analog Yes signal a temporary or
> permanent condition?

I believe that the YES network has been broadcasting in HD since July 26th..but
no one has picked up the feed except the luxury boxes at Yankee Stadium. We need
to let CV, D* & E* know that we demand our YES-HD!! Hey.. the Mets may be on
there after next year...

Ed Betty
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Innhitman@...
   To: cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:08 PM
   Subject: [cablevision_digital] Mets Fan who wants YES-HD


   Since there is no longer any reason to watch the Mets, I have turned to
   rooting against the Yankees ( my usual september/october activity for the past
10
   years)...

   I have to say I can not fathom the richest franchise in all of sports not
   being broadcast in HD.   The picture is so awful.... you would think George
would
   have done something about this by now.   Perhaps he is one of those old
   fogies who could care less about technology...

   Whatever the reason is, this is just stupid.

   I might never see my team win again, but at least I get to see them lose in
   HD.

   Innhitman


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there is always a delay from radio , varies from 2 to 5 seconds,
depending if your watching it on sat ,cable or broadcast


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ranger96" <ranger96@y...>
wrote:
> I guess it depends on the system. Here both the digital and analog
YES
> have a delay from the radio broadcast. The analog delay is longer
then
> the digital channel delay. It been like this for awhile now.
> The digital channel will have a delay cause it's being encoded from
> the analog yes feed.
> --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Barry Koopersmith
> <bkoopers@o...> wrote:
> > The five second delay in the live signal detracts from the
enjoyment of
> > game. Is this extra delay on the analog Yes signal a temporary or
> > permanent condition?

Its most likely not Cablevision-- many things can cause radio and
television signals alike to be delayed -- first being the station
putting in profanity delay (in TV recording then playing back off a
profile usually) or radio has a number of options to choose.  Other
reasons a signal could be delayed is the path it is taking from teh
stadium to the headend or broadcast center (as is the case with WCBS
games) -- if they are using fiber circuits the delay is next to nothing,
if they are compressing it and throwing it up on a satelite then there
is a fairly substantial delay that gets incoured, and even more if its
taking one sat hop to a brodcast center somewhere then another hop being
distributed out to affiliates.

Oh, btw  even the radio telecast isn't complete "live" theres about a
3/4 second delay from the compression on the ISDN lines used from the
stadium back to the radio studio :)



Barry Koopersmith wrote:

>I have always listened to the Yankees games on radio while watching on
>TV (as many other people do). I have been watching the analog Yes signal
>on channel 70 using my TV tuner instead of the Sony digital box because
>the live action was only delayed one second (with analog) vs five
>seconds (with digital). Since yesterday, the Yankees games (yesterday
>and today) while watching the analog Yes signal on channel 70 using my
>TV tuner is now delayed the same five seconds as using the Sony digital box.
>
>The five second delay in the live signal detracts from the enjoyment of
>game. Is this extra delay on the analog Yes signal a temporary or
>permanent condition?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks for your response.  I just got off the phone with CV.  I told
them what you told me. Their response: ETV was scheduled to be rolled
out in my area August 31st (yesterday) but it is delayed.  The rep
said that the problem is with working out the kinks for enhanced News
12 features.  He also said that when ETV is available (including
Metro & MSG Director), the SA1850 box will work with ETV.  I spoke
with 5 different CV reps and got 5 different answers.  I am afraid
what they will say if I call once again :)

dave s b

---
In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ranger96" <ranger96@y...>
wrote:
> Here's what I believe is the correct info,
> The SA1850 boxes do not support ETV, CV is not using SA4200 SD boxes
> in your area only the SA4200 HD.
> The Sony boxes are not being used in your area so they can't give
you
> one. The ETV system is not the best, I have the 4200 box and only
two
> of the ETV services load on the box, the rest don't show up.
> CV should at least have a computer database or book for the customer
> service reps with answers to questions like this.
> There was no need for a service call.
>
> --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Brodsky"
> <dasbro@o...> wrote:
> > I am an iO subscriber in the Bronx, zip 10458.  I am wondering
about
> > Enhanced TV (Metro Traffic & Weather, MSG Game Director) because
it
> > does not appear in the Guide.  I have three SA1850 boxs.
> >I called again and
> > spoke with a different rep who told that the SA4200 won't work
and I
> > would have to get the Sony box.  I called again and spoke with a
> > different rep.  She told me that (1) 10458 doesn't have ETV, (2)
only
> > the Sony box works with ETV, and (3) CV doesn't have a contract
with
> > Sony any longer so the Sony box is not even available.  All
together,
> > I spoke with 4 reps and they gave me 4 completely different
stories.
> > Can anyone help me establish what the truth is?  Thanks.
> >
> > dave s b

According to the attached article Cablevision is the leading cable
company in HD channels.  As I have said before, although the
Cablevision HD package is far from complete it is still one of the
best of any cable company.   No company carries every channel, but
Cablevision clearly carries more than anyone else.   I do notice it
says 16 channels.  I think the writer meant 15 including HDOD.
Nevertheless, the nearest competitor is only 13 channels.  So not to
preach, but regardless of what some people think here, Cablevision
has the most HD channels.

Scott


HBO, NBC top list of HD channels

Karen Brown, CED

A survey fielded by HD consumer education Web site BuyingHDTV.com
found that HBO and NBC have the biggest resolution in the growing
high-def programming game.

The Web site, operated by Solana Beach, Calif.-based technology
analyst firm Kersey Strategies, posted a survey that found HBO and
NBC were tops in HD distribution, with 98 percent of cable companies
in the top 25 markets offering them to digital subscribers.
Discovery HD Theater came in third, offered in 86 percent of the top
cable markets, followed by ESPN HD, carried in 82 percent of the
markets. At the other end of the scale, HD channels with decidedly
smaller distribution include Bravo HD, offered in 4 percent of the
markets, and HDNet and HDNet Movies, each in 42 percent of the
markets. Encore HD thus far is not carried in any of the top 25
markets, according to BuyingHDTV.com.

In individual markets, Seattle rated tops for HD content, with 15 HD
channels available. Chicago was second with 14, followed by Boston,
13.7; and Baltimore, Cincinnati, Denver, Houston, Miami and Tampa,
which have 13 HD channels each. On the flip side, St. Louis was the
least HD-savvy of the top 25 markets, offering an average of only
eight high-def channels.

Top cable operators in terms of HD were led by Cablevision, which
offers 16 channels. Bright House Networks came in second with 13
channels per market, followed by Comcast Corp., which averages 12.8
HD channels per market. Charter Communications Inc. offers the
fewest number of HD channels among providers in the top 25 markets,
averaging 9 channels, according to the consumer HD Web site.

"HDTV is a truly revolutionary technology, but our data shows that
there are still large regional discrepancies over how much
programming is available in high-definition," said Mark Kersey,
president of BuyingHDTV.com, in a release. "As consumer awareness
and adoption of HDTV increase, we expect that cable companies around
the country will continue to add new high-def channels to satisfy
their customers' demands and to keep up with satellite competitors."


http://www.cedmagazine.com/cedailydirect/2004/0904/cedaily040901.htm

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Ed Betty <edbetty@o...> wrote:
> I believe that the YES network has been broadcasting in HD since
July 26th..but no one has picked up the feed except the luxury boxes
at Yankee Stadium. We need to let CV, D* & E* know that we demand our
YES-HD!! Hey.. the Mets may be on there after next year...
>
> Ed Betty

sounds like either YES isn't making the HD feed available to anyone or
demanding high fees, because someone posted last month that even WCBS
wasn't going to pick up the HD feed from the Yanks this year.

--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, mikep_2000@h... wrote:
> --- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Ed Betty <edbetty@o...>
wrote:
> > I believe that the YES network has been broadcasting in HD since
> July 26th..but no one has picked up the feed except the luxury boxes
> at Yankee Stadium. We need to let CV, D* & E* know that we demand our
> YES-HD!! Hey.. the Mets may be on there after next year...
> >
> > Ed Betty
>
> sounds like either YES isn't making the HD feed available to anyone or
> demanding high fees, because someone posted last month that even WCBS
> wasn't going to pick up the HD feed from the Yanks this year.

that post I saw was over on avsforum.com

well, it's a shame.... is this delay because of someone's greed or technical
difficulties in adding mid-season additions to HD lineup?

The most important thing is ABC-HD... monday night football is upon us
again...

Innhitman


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Scott...   you certainly have changed your tune ::)   I remember when we both
were outraged....    well, now there is only one of us outraged...


15 channels?   And Voom has 40?

So they are holding out some so Voom looks better...

We should have ALL of the VOOM channels as well!!!!!!

:)


Innhitman


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I hear the HD feed is also being picked up by the Japanese channel
NKK? I think that's the name of the channel. It's how there is no
mention of this channel at all. You'd think YES would be running ad's
saying to call your service provider to get YESHD. Maybe it's not
ready for the masses. who knows


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Innhitman@a... wrote:
> well, it's a shame.... is this delay because of someone's greed or
technical
> difficulties in adding mid-season additions to HD lineup?
>
> The most important thing is ABC-HD... monday night football is upon
us
> again...
>
> Innhitman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I am just trying to be
fair.  Cablevision has more HD channels than any other cable
company, and that is a fact.  No company carries every channel be it
HD or SD.  I know there are some SD channels that they do not carry
that people want, too.  I know ABC-HD is a glaring missing channel,
but lots of other cable companies do not carry every local channel.
I still think their HD package is among the best in the industry.

Scott


--- In cablevision_digital@yahoogroups.com, Innhitman@a... wrote:
> Scott...   you certainly have changed your tune ::)   I remember
when we both
> were outraged....    well, now there is only one of us outraged...
>
>
> 15 channels?   And Voom has 40?
>
> So they are holding out some so Voom looks better...
>
> We should have ALL of the VOOM channels as well!!!!!!
>
> :)
>
>
> Innhitman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]