From: "Jay Hopkins"  <jhopkins@...>

But then, almost anything would be better, in my opinion, than 1949's
ultra-cheesy "Manhattan Downbeat"!

      From Penny:  Isn't that number something else?  I never fail to get
      eye-strain watching that "Manhattan Downbeat" number:  all of those
      mis-matched colours and frantic activity!  Not the perfect ending to a
      perfect teaming, unfortunately.  - "Penny Carroll"

I was wondering if anyone else saw the A&E special last night
           called Hollywoodism? It was about the jewish influence in
           Hollywood. It was very interesting. When they discussed Irving
           Berlin, they showed a clip from Top Hat, when Fred sang the title
           song. That's what made me stop because it's a newer special.

           -Amanda Cooper (Brandi Smith^^)

           P.S. Jay-I forgot to save your e-mail address. Could you send me
           another message so I can answer you last e-mail? Thanks.

-Amanda Cooper (Brandi Smith^^)
           I was wondering if anyone else saw the A&E special last night
           called Hollywoodism? It was about the jewish influence in
           Hollywood. It was very interesting. When they discussed Irving
           Berlin, they showed a clip from Top Hat, when Fred sang the title
           song. That's what made me stop because it's a newer special.

           >>from Penny:  Yep!  I watched that special, too.  It didn't dawn
           on me that a post-Robyn Fred clip was in it until you just
           mentioned it.  Will wonders never cease?  Interesting special if a
           bit "flexible" on some points.  'Always happy to see any
           documentary on Hollywood. - "Penny Carroll"

Most of us have seen Mr. Astaire pound and fly his way across the screen.

Here is my vote for the single four seconds of heart-throbbing Astaire Time:

The first (and second, if you wish to double it) time that Fred lifts Ginger
over that dance studio gate in Swing Time ("Pick Yourself Up").

It is a fleeting, flighty moment in a phenomenal number.

That jump over the gate.

Nirvana. Nothing less. <opinion>

Jay

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Hello everyone !!!

Had to say that I was lucky enough to see A Family Upside Down when it first
appeared on television.  It was a very good dramatic role for both Astaire and
Hayes.
I am happy to see that not only is it on tv again, but is also available on
video.  For anyone who sees it, I am sure that they would think that the story
line is not only timely but the theme can apply to almost every family.  Many
of you may have lived the story line or one like it.

I enjoyed Jay's story about the 'Fred Astaire / John Wayne walk'.

Also, The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle may have not been the best
Astaire/Rogers movie, but it was a good biographical movie of the Castles.  I
do not know if anyone else had ever done a movie on their lives before this
one.  If not, I do remember reading somewhere that the Castles were one of the
most influential dance couples and the thought had come to mind in the movie
industry that some sort of tribute should be made to them.  It was thought
that only Astaire/Rogers could fit the bill.  The story line was also to have
been changed or adapted somewhat, too.  I guess in this day and age the story
may not be as interesting to us as it may have been to the people around the
turn of the century when the Castles were popular.

The Ace

Jay wrote:

> Here is my vote for the single four seconds of heart-throbbing
> Astaire Time:
>
> The first (and second, if you wish to double it) time that Fred
> lifts Ginger over that dance studio gate in Swing Time ("Pick
> Yourself Up").
>
> It is a fleeting, flighty moment in a phenomenal number.
>
> That jump over the gate.
>
> Nirvana. Nothing less. <opinion>

I definitely agree with you, Jay! Poetry in motion is an
understatement here. Another "moment in time" that I like
is during "Never Gonna Dance", when Fred grabs (wish I
could put it better) Ginger, she twirls around, the music
crescendos...

Cheerio,
Fiona aka Dale Tremont

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Life is a cabaret, old chum...
			 Sally Bowles, Cabaret

I was just curious about the ages of the members of our list.
           Since The Great One isn't as much in the public eye as he used to
           be I was wondering what the ages of our members are and at what
           age they became a fan.

           I'll start. I'm 26 years old and became a fan of Fred when I was
           16 when I saw the films Top Hat and The Gay Divorcee, confusing
           them both for the same film. (That's pretty easy, considering the
           main cast is identical except for one person.)

           -Amanda 'Brandi Smith' Cooper^^

From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@...>


           I was just curious about the ages of the members of our list.
           Since The Great One isn't as much in the public eye as he used to
           be I was wondering what the ages of our members are and at what
           age they became a fan.

           I'll start. I'm 26 years old and became a fan of Fred when I was
           16 when I saw the films Top Hat and The Gay Divorcee, confusing
           them both for the same film. (That's pretty easy, considering the
           main cast is identical except for one person.)

           -Amanda 'Brandi Smith' Cooper^^

           >>Oh no!  Do I really have to tell my age?  My thought is this - start

           fibbing about your age when you're young so that by the time you are
           older, no one will be able to keep track (maybe not even me!).  Okay,
           I'm in my mid-thirties (that's all I'll admit) and I got hooked when I

           saw "The Gay Divorcee" on TV when I was a babe of 8 years.  You're
           right about Fred not being in the public eye lately; but I can tell a
           cute story about that:  I have personalized car license plates that
           read "ASTAIRE" and I was parking my car once (a couple years ago) when

           a little girl of 7 or 8 asked me if I were "Mrs. Fred Astaire" ! Isn't

           that great?  So, there's always hope! -  "Penny Carroll"



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Also, The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle may have not been the best
Astaire/Rogers movie, but it was a good biographical movie of the Castles.
(snip)

>>from Penny:   I agree with The Ace, "Castles" was a perfectly good example of
a biographical film of that time period.  I think the fact that it is not "the
norm" for Fred and Ginger makes it all the more important because we get to see
them in atypical roles, doing atypical numbers which just goes to show how
versatile they were as both dancers and actors.  That said, I was always curious
why Fred didn't attempt even the vaguest British accent for the Vernon role.  As
a young girl, with no info in my brain about the real Castles, I was completely
perplexed when Fred comes out in that uniform.  Who knew he was supposed to be
English?   Anyone on the list know of any trivia about Fred's reluctance and/or
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Jay wrote:

> Here is my vote for the single four seconds of heart-throbbing
> Astaire Time:
>
> The first (and second, if you wish to double it) time that Fred
> lifts Ginger over that dance studio gate in Swing Time ("Pick
> Yourself Up").
>
> It is a fleeting, flighty moment in a phenomenal number.
>
> That jump over the gate.
>
> Nirvana. Nothing less. <opinion>

I definitely agree with you, Jay! Poetry in motion is an
understatement here. Another "moment in time" that I like
is during "Never Gonna Dance", when Fred grabs (wish I
could put it better) Ginger, she twirls around, the music
crescendos...

Cheerio,
Fiona aka Dale Tremont
>>If we start discussing moments of rapture in Fred's dancing we may be here all
day!  Me, I swoon when Fred and Ginger's shoulders/heads drop (simultaneously)
in "Never Gone Dance".  Lord Larry Olivier can't act that well!  And I squeal
with delight at the way Fred closes his hands to the beat as he finishes the "I
Wanna Be a Dancin Man" number.  And then there's the off-vs-on-beat head turns
of Fred and Eleanor Powell in "Begin the Beguine" and ...  - "Penny Carroll"

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Life is a cabaret, old chum...
                         Sally Bowles, Cabaret

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From: "BRANDI SMITH"<brsmith@...>


           I was just curious about the ages of the members of our list.
           Since The Great One isn't as much in the public eye as he used to
           be I was wondering what the ages of our members are and at what
           age they became a fan.

           I'll start. I'm 26 years old and became a fan of Fred when I was
           16 when I saw the films Top Hat and The Gay Divorcee, confusing
           them both for the same film. (That's pretty easy, considering the
           main cast is identical except for one person.)

           -Amanda 'Brandi Smith' Cooper^^

Well, I'll have to admit I'm probably one of the youngest Fred fans on this
list. I'm 13 and have been recently introduced with the Fred Astaire.
Actually, I don't quite remember how I got into it, it just kinda happened and
now everytime I go to the library I look for some type of Astaire musical (or
any other to be perfectly frank).

I'd have to say the reason I joined this list was so I could talk about this
new facination (pardon my horrible spelling) with other people, since my
friends aren't showing any sympathy. Really anything that doesn't have Mulder,
Scully, or Mtv involved they don't care too much about. They mostly are "The
X-Files" type of people, but then again, I am too partly.

Oh! One last thing! The first Astaire movie I watched was "Swing Time".

That's about all I can spew out right now.

~Kerstin

Brandi wrote:
>           I was just curious about the ages of the members of our list.

I'm 42. Had been a "nostalgia" fan since teen-age years ('cept it wasn't _my_
nostalgia) and people kept telling me to "watch the Fred and Ginger movies," but
I resisted. (I was too busy marveling over The Marx Brothers and the Universal
horror films and W.C. Fields, etc.). Finally, in 1974, Jack Haley Jr. produced
the original _That's Entertainment!_ and I was hooked...not only on Fred, but on
the great musicals themselves. I eventually went to the cinema to see this great
movie some 15 times. From that moment on, catching all the Fred Astaire films
(and collecting his songs) was a marvelous exploration of "unchartered waters."
Jay

>Subject: [astaire] Re: Ages
>
>From: "Jay Hopkins"  <jhopkins@...>
>
>Brandi wrote:
>> I was just curious about the ages of the members of our list.
>
>I'm 42. Had been a "nostalgia" fan since teen-age years ('cept it
>wasn't _my_ nostalgia) and people kept telling me to "watch the Fred
>and Ginger movies," but I resisted. (I was too busy marveling over
>The Marx Brothers and the Universal horror films and W.C. Fields,
>etc.). Finally, in 1974, Jack Haley Jr. produced the original _That's
>Entertainment!_ and I was hooked...not only on Fred, but on
>the great musicals themselves. I eventually went to the cinema to see
>this greatmovie some 15 times. From that moment on, catching all the
>Fred Astaire films (and collecting his songs) was a marvelous
>exploration of "unchartered waters."
>Jay
>
Well, figured this might be a good subject to come out of lurking.  I am
23, and had started watching Fred Astaire movies and musicals in general
at around 8, but didn't really turn into a big Fred Astaire fan until I
got into high school, and once I was in college I became even more of a
fan. In fact, I've even written a report or two about Fred Astaire for
some class or other and included him in a speech I had to do for a
class. Ah well.
  -Jeremy

  "...a strong man need wish for no more than this:
   a sword in the hand, a horse between his knees,
   and the woman he loves at the battle's end."

                              -Louis L'Amour
                                 -The Walking Drum

I'm 45. I became a fan in college when the "That's Entertainment"
films came out - mid 70's.

Lora

SHAMP00CAT wrote:
>Well, I'll have to admit I'm probably one of the youngest Fred fans on
this
>list. I'm 13 and have been recently introduced with the Fred Astaire...
>I'd have to say the reason I joined this list was so I could talk about
this
>new facination (pardon my horrible spelling) with other people, since my
>friends aren't showing any sympathy.

Hey Kerstin, don't sweat it.  I became crazy about Astaire when I was
about 12 and, at first, most of my friends (and family!) thought it very
peculiar.  Slowly but surely, I turned them all into Astaire fans, for which
they are all now very grateful.  Standing out from the crowd by enjoying
something different from everyone else will, if nothing else, make you a
more interesting person in the end.  By 14, I'd learned all Astaire's songs,
read "The Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers Book" about 12 times and, like
Jeremy, wrote papers on him (in high school).  I am now 38 years old and
still introducing the wonder of Astaire's films and singing to the unknowing
out there.  It is something I take joy from that I will carry with me
throughout my life no matter what I am doing.

Patricia

~Kerstin wrote:
Well, I'll have to admit I'm probably one of the youngest Fred fans on this
list. I'm 13 and have been recently introduced with the Fred Astaire.
      I'd have to say the reason I joined this list was so I could talk
      about this new facination (pardon my horrible spelling) with other
      people, since my friends aren't showing any sympathy.(snip)

      from Penny:  Yes, for those of us not from the "golden era" of
      Hollywood (the 1920's through the 1950's), it is a hard row to hoe to
      chose to be different from our peers.  I can guess that practically
      everyone on the list went through the stage of being considered weird
      by your friends/acquaintances.  But be secure in the knowledge that
      you have exquisite taste and keep watching those Fred films! -
      "Penny Carroll"


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BRANDI SMITH wrote:

> I was just curious about the ages of the members of our list.          > Since
The Great One isn't as much in the public eye as he used
> to be I was wondering what the ages of our members are and at
> what age they became a fan.

I'm 17. I was 15 or so, I think, when I had to watch Top Hat for
a dance report. And I've never looked back since. :)

Cheerio,
Fiona aka Dale Tremont

Patricia:

I am now 38 years old and still introducing the wonder of Astaire's films and
singing to the unknowing out there.  It is something I take joy from that I
will carry with me throughout my life no matter what I am doing.(snip)

   >>from Penny:  BRAVO!  WELL SPOKE! That about says it all.




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Well, I thought that I'd throw in my little two cents, since I actually
have something to add to this conversation.  I'm now 20, and I only just
got myself introduced to Fred a few months ago.  I can't remember which
Fred movie was my first, Funny Face or Swing Time.  If Funny Face, I
can't seem to recall exactly when I saw it.  I got Swing Time because I
knew that there are songs in it that are on the Hits from Hollywood
tape, which I bought in March.  So, I'm a very recent Fred fan.  Of
course, even though my siblings tease me about it (they tell me to join
them in the '90s), my friends from school actually encourage it; they
helped get me where I am!  Anyway, so long.

Nancy aka Ellen Bowen

From: juliet007 <juliet007@...>

Jay wrote:

> Here is my vote for the single four seconds of heart-throbbing
> Astaire Time:
>
> The first (and second, if you wish to double it) time that Fred
> lifts Ginger over that dance studio gate in Swing Time ("Pick
> Yourself Up").
>
> It is a fleeting, flighty moment in a phenomenal number.
>
> That jump over the gate.
>
> Nirvana. Nothing less. <opinion>

I definitely agree with you, Jay! Poetry in motion is an
understatement here. Another "moment in time" that I like
is during "Never Gonna Dance", when Fred grabs (wish I
could put it better) Ginger, she twirls around, the music
crescendos...

Cheerio,
Fiona aka Dale Tremont
>>If we start discussing moments of rapture in Fred's dancing we may be here all
day!  Me, I swoon when Fred and Ginger's shoulders/heads drop (simultaneously)
in "Never Gone Dance".  Lord Larry Olivier can't act that well!  And I squeal
with delight at the way Fred closes his hands to the beat as he finishes the "I
Wanna Be a Dancin Man" number.  And then there's the off-vs-on-beat head turns
of Fred and Eleanor Powell in "Begin the Beguine" and ...  - "Penny Carroll"

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                         Sally Bowles, Cabaret

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Ooh, ooh!  I'm thirteen!  =>  (Although -- FIONA -- according to Hilga or
whatever... ahem.)  I first got into old movies when I was... 10?  Yeah...
no...
11!  (Now I'm confused... that Jason Alexander Bye Bye Birdie was '95,
wasn't it?  Okay... nevermind....)  I was 11.  And, with special thanks to
the nagging of Fiona, I saw Shall We Dance (even though Holiday Inn
was my first Fred film) and got hooked!  =>  (Actually, if I had time, I
could name every musical I've ever seen... in order....)
-Mallory

>Well, I'll have to admit I'm probably one of the youngest Fred fans on this
>list. I'm 13 and have been recently introduced with the Fred Astaire.
>Actually, I don't quite remember how I got into it, it just kinda happened
and
>now everytime I go to the library I look for some type of Astaire musical
(or
>any other to be perfectly frank).
>
>I'd have to say the reason I joined this list was so I could talk about
this
>new facination (pardon my horrible spelling) with other people, since my
>friends aren't showing any sympathy. Really anything that doesn't have
Mulder,
>Scully, or Mtv involved they don't care too much about. They mostly are
"The
>X-Files" type of people, but then again, I am too partly.
>
>Oh! One last thing! The first Astaire movie I watched was "Swing Time".
>
>That's about all I can spew out right now.
>
>~Kerstin
>
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Claudia, age fifteen. I think my first Fred Astaire film was THE GAY DIVORCEE,
age 13. I watched it because I decided that I couldn't be a fan of classic
movies if I didn't see at least one Astaire-Rogers film. After I watched
DIVORCEE, I realized one wouldn't do it - I had to see them all, and more films
of Fred's without Ginger.
---
"Television has brought murder back into the home, where it belongs."  -Alfred
Hitchcock




>From: "Mallory" <afredorapest@...>
>
>Ooh, ooh!  I'm thirteen!  =>  (Although -- FIONA -- according to Hilga or
>whatever... ahem.)  I first got into old movies when I was... 10?  Yeah...
>no...
>11!  (Now I'm confused... that Jason Alexander Bye Bye Birdie was '95,
>wasn't it?  Okay... nevermind....)  I was 11.  And, with special thanks to
>the nagging of Fiona, I saw Shall We Dance (even though Holiday Inn
>was my first Fred film) and got hooked!  =>  (Actually, if I had time, I
>could name every musical I've ever seen... in order....)
>-Mallory
>
>>Well, I'll have to admit I'm probably one of the youngest Fred fans on this
>>list. I'm 13 and have been recently introduced with the Fred Astaire.
>>Actually, I don't quite remember how I got into it, it just kinda happened
>and
>>now everytime I go to the library I look for some type of Astaire musical
>(or
>>any other to be perfectly frank).
>>
>>I'd have to say the reason I joined this list was so I could talk about
>this
>>new facination (pardon my horrible spelling) with other people, since my
>>friends aren't showing any sympathy. Really anything that doesn't have
>Mulder,
>>Scully, or Mtv involved they don't care too much about. They mostly are
>"The
>>X-Files" type of people, but then again, I am too partly.
>>
>>Oh! One last thing! The first Astaire movie I watched was "Swing Time".
>>
>>That's about all I can spew out right now.
>>
>>~Kerstin
>>
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Hey, everyone check out next week's TV Guide -- Top 50 movies!
Top Hat makes the list!  =>  (#45, though.  But at least we beat
Cabaret... hee hee.)  Others -- Laura, Double Indemnity, Ninotchka,
Sunset Blvd, Duck Soup, The Philadelphia Story (warning: Jimmy
Stewart made this list a few times...  =>), Bringing Up Baby, It's a
Wonderful Life, Vertigo, Singin' in the Rain, To Kill a Mockingbird,
Citizen Kane, and Casablanca!  (Godfather Part II got #1, though....)
-Mallory
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Thought that life sure would undo me
Then one night you happened to me
My little one...."
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Guess I'm in the running for Old Fossil honors:

age 51

Became a Fred fan on New Year's Eve 1966 -- sophomore year of
college.  I wasn't going out because my girlfriend (now my wife of 29
years) lived 250 miles away.  A TV station in Chicago ran 3 or 4 Fred
& Ginger movies back-to-back (to back to ...).  I watched and was
hooked.  I've managed to gather all the movies together and scored an
autographed (authenticated) 1st edition of "Steps in Time" a few
years ago.

For those new to the list, there's a paper I delivered several years
ago on Fred's favorite dancing partner -- link is off my homepage.
There's even the chance I could be right.

Larry Lain
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It's nice to see so many young people on the Astaire List. I wish to echo
Patricia's remarks about the younger "Fredheads" (don't blame me for that one!)
being happy with the presumed fact that you don't "fit in" with your friends.
You have discovered the artistry of one of the supreme artists of the twentieth
century. Embrace that interest, enjoy the discovery, and share your interest
with your peers...you might be responsible for opening their eyes.

(Why do I feel like I'm part of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"?)

On the subject of "great moments," somebody (sorry, but the post is on my office
computer and I am now at home) alluded to the close of "Let's Face the Music and
Dance" in which Fred and Ginger dance off-stage, knees-up, heads jerking back,
and pulling the past themselves. I always love this moment (the entire dance is
fantastic...perhaps Fred and Ging were compensating for the informal nature of
the rest of this "gob" movie). However, some people have told me that they
consider this the ultimate of Fred and Ginger kitsch. Not me. Depends upon who
you ask, I guess. I regard the entire number as the height of sophistication.
(The only surprise is that Berlin wrote the song - with all due respect - and
not Cole Porter.)

Jay

-------------------------
Jay Hopkins
jhopkins@...

Hello everyone!!!!

I had to add my age, too.  To set the record straight, I guess I fibbed
alittle when I first signed on as a member of the list.  I was ashamed to
admit how young I was when I first became aware of Fred Astaire.

I am 33 and like many others on the list I did not fit in with other
classmates either, I did not watch Charlies Angels or any of those other
shows.  I wrote many book reports and essays on him, too.  I first saw Mr.
Astaire in the first That's Entertainment movie in 1976 at home.  I was hooked
just watching him walk down that red carpet.  I was 11 years old.

Later you realize just what a true artist he was.  I could never understand
how just watching someone walk down a carpet could fascinate me so much.  I
still think that he is ageless, timeless and inspiring countless generations
of fans to his greatness.

You young 'Fredheads' are lucky.  I waited for years to find even one person
who shared the same type of admiration for the man that I had.  Now, I can
read and converse with others who feel that he was a special artist, too.

Yes, he can dance and all of the scenes from the movies mentioned can send me
to heaven, too.  What sends me higher though is to hear him sing.  I love how
he sings "They Can't Take That Away From Me".

The Ace

I dislike hammering this into the ground, however <ahem>, The Pleasure Of His
Company is on cable as I write. Astaire was always charming...and, I always
seemed to enjoy Mr. A. more-so when he past faux-adolescence.
The pleasure of The Pleasure is that very little relies upon the charm of Mr.
Astaire's (then still-nimble) terpsichory. It relies upon the wit of the script
and, perhaps most importantly, the fresh, smart delivery of Fred Astaire.
Beyond cool, as the retro-speak speaks.
Jay

-------------------------
Jay Hopkins
jhopkins@...

I'd just have to agree with Jay on this subject.  I just finished
watching it, and I enjoyed it thoroughly.  For anyway who's interested,
it also comes on on Thursday the 20th at 4PM (eastern, I presume) and
Friday the 21st at 4AM, both times on AMC.  Anyway, that's all.

Nancy aka Ellen Bowen

Joycelyn, age 17, got addicted  when i saw
"Top Hat" last year, courtesy of Fiona, owner
of this Fred list.  look up sublime in the dictionary,
you see a pic of fred!  enough said...

cheers,  Joycelyn= )

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I have a 1st Edition "Steps in Time" also, but not autographed. WOW!
I bought it in Omaha, his birthplace.  Is anyone from the Midwest,
like me?  I always thought Omaha should have a museum or at least
some recognition of a very favorite son.

Lora