I have a friend who had a triple a few months ago, rushed back into the swing of
things and had a minor set back. So take it easy for awhile and build yourself
back up. And when your ready with thoses DVD's let me know. They might make a
great Xmas present for my wife...........Thanks Don
alexanderledoux <ajledoux@...> wrote:I hope you realize that converting VHS
tape episodes to Digital
format
is done in real time. 200 episodes of EWG at 45 minutes minimum per
episode that has to be captured and compressed to a hard drive and
then
burning two episodes per DVD is the average. This last part takes
another 45 minutes minimum.
I'm now recouperating from open heart triple-bi-pass surgery.
However,
before the surgery I was converting all my DVD episodes to the DivX
format which gives me high quality DVDs with 8 to 19 episodes per
disc. I will continue with this process when I'm feeling better. I
will have all of the series 200 EWG, 94 DOTE, 158 AOW and also will
have IYSS which is airing now. Please be patient and I will let
everyone know when these are ready.
--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, fryanegg@a... wrote:
> I am saying every episode of Wang Gung is on VHS format and needs
to
be
> burned to DVD format and my friend who owns the series also wants a
copy burned to
> DVD and so do I.
>
> We do Not own a burner, that's the problem here.
>
>
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Errrr the bastard!
Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...> wrote:
10 to 1 miura goro died a quiet & peaceful death in japan.
his name "cleared" of any wrong doing in that "unfortunate
incident" that took place in korea @ the end of the 19th century.
a nice safe story covering all ends.
shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
It still leads me back to "Where is the Traitor?" I read the sham trial he got
in Japan... and with Japan's history I can see why they are so "peace loving"
now. Does anyone pay for their transgressions against others in that country?
Where is the traitor? Did he die in Japan or in the war? What happened to him?
What about his descendents? Did anyone of them speak out against their
traitorious (-sp-) relative and his actions?
For once I would like journalism to mean the entire story and not just "what's
hot?"
Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...> wrote:
shawn, it seems 2 go back 2 the korean origins of internal fighting.
myeong-seong also
broke tradition by bringing in westerners on her terms something traditionalist
didn't want.
remember korea is the one asian country that had virtual no contact w/outside
world. that's
the way the government liked it. let not forget the obvious, she was a woman who
stepped
out of her 'place'. while the king, ko-jong was very devoted to her, her
father-in-law, taewongun, was not happy w/ her power. my eemo grew up hearing
the rumor that he helped her assassins into the palace. either way u'r right,
korean history is filled w/stories of corrupt
people in power, left in power to virtually destroy the country. think about how
long it took
to unite the 3 kingdoms. the state of the "two koreas" today is a perfect
example of their
need for some form of turmoil. considering they are such a strong confucius
nation,
it really doesn't make sense. eeyeegooo....
shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
BUT why did they DO THAT! I have always been forced to scratch my head at times
when I read Korean history. I know the country is not the BIGGEST in its region
but it always puts up the fierces opposition to invasion, but somehow their is
usually someone KOREAN inviting or bringing someone in while the person who
wants to keep the country autonomous usually has something bad happen to them.
This story sounds too familar for my own taste seeing how it was the same
problem that North Africa had as well as West Africa during the "colonization"
of Africa.
What is the deal? How do the weasels always manage to "weasel" strange bed
fellows into the country that cripples the society or hampers it for
generations! Worse than that they tend to ALREADY BE KNOWN as... A WEASEL! It's
frustrating at times to read the same "tired scheme" played out over and over
again.
How could "that guy" (I don't even want to type his name) be allowed to escape
punishment for selling out his country and... BIG AND what ever happened to this
TRAITOR?
Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...> wrote:
yes, they did shawn. big time, the occupation wouldn't have happened
the way it did. they might not have been occupied at all if they had
let her do what she needed to do
shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
So then what does all of this really mean? And I read the links regarding the
Empress, that wasn't cool at all. They sold her out!
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:Betz - Thanks for all those links - also
the
Philadelphia Inquirer carried this story today , too -
D
--- betz3424 <betz.mc@...> wrote:
> Choson Prince Yi Ku (Gu)
> Last Royal Prince dies in Japan
>
>
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200507/kt2005071920253710230.htm
>
>
http://english.kbs.co.kr/news/zoom/1357668_11781.html
>
> Funeral in Seoul
>
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200507/kt2005072418102310160.htm
>
>
> Another Choson Prince, Yi Seok
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seok,_Prince_of_Korea
>
> 2004 article
>
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200408/kt2004082618115611990.ht
> m
>
> 2004 article
>
http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20040509/301900000020040509085026E
> 9.html
>
> 2004 article
>
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20041015/320000000020041015140014E9.h
> tml
>
>
>
>
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involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
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involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
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Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have."
-MBC Damo
King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be
involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
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Betz - when I try this site, I get a message that the
site does not exist - Any suggestions? D
--- betz3424 <betz.mc@...> wrote:
> Korea's Last Royal Funeral
> July 24, 2005
> Photographs by Tom Coyner,
> an American living & working
> in Seoul, South Korea
>
>
http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/Last_Royal_Funeral.htm
>
>
>
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--- betz3424 <betz.mc@...> wrote:
> Tom Conyers, an American living
> and working in Seoul, Korea, has a
> facinating website... great photos,
> articles about Korea & N.E. Asia...
>
> dozens of photos
> click on - Opening Shots
> to see captions, move mouse over
> photo-thumbnails without clicking
>
> http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/
>
> here are a couple photos
> I found intriguing
>
> Monk in front of Chogye-sa, Seoul
>
http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/ChogyeMong050103.jpg
>
> Korean Female Pipe Band
> St. Patrick's Day Parade, Seoul
> http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/2002Piper.jpg
> ...I love this one, being Scots-Irish :-)
> "Amazing Grace" ...her name could be Grace ;-)
>
>
>
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Hi Alex. Whenever you are finished I can help out with the conversion to mpeg 1
or 2 which can be played in a DVD player. I've gotten four safely on a disk and
the picture is great even though I lacked cable at the time.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: alexanderledoux
To: WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: [WangGuhn] Re: Korean Dramas & Movies - links . . .
Error: Should read in previous message 8 to 10 episodes per DVD in
DivX format.
--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderledoux" <ajledoux@j...>
wrote:
> I hope you realize that converting VHS tape episodes to Digital
> format
> is done in real time. 200 episodes of EWG at 45 minutes minimum
per
> episode that has to be captured and compressed to a hard drive and
> then
> burning two episodes per DVD is the average. This last part takes
> another 45 minutes minimum.
>
> I'm now recouperating from open heart triple-bi-pass surgery.
> However,
> before the surgery I was converting all my DVD episodes to the DivX
> format which gives me high quality DVDs with 8 to 19 episodes per
> disc. I will continue with this process when I'm feeling better.
I
> will have all of the series 200 EWG, 94 DOTE, 158 AOW and also will
> have IYSS which is airing now. Please be patient and I will let
> everyone know when these are ready.
>
>
>
> --- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, fryanegg@a... wrote:
> > I am saying every episode of Wang Gung is on VHS format and needs
> to
> be
> > burned to DVD format and my friend who owns the series also wants
a
> copy burned to
> > DVD and so do I.
> >
> > We do Not own a burner, that's the problem here.
> >
> >
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Since it's a slow night on this site, I'd like to say
a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But, I'm
definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne --
the characters are all those people you see going
around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
administration of the palace that in the other shows
are mostly voiceless extras.
It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a fine
musical score that includes one of the most uplifting
melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
possible! - Donna T.
If you have the computed savvy to download it from
some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
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so true ms. donna. so true. what eppy are u on?
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:Since it's a slow night on this site, I'd
like to say
a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But, I'm
definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne --
the characters are all those people you see going
around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
administration of the palace that in the other shows
are mostly voiceless extras.
It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a fine
musical score that includes one of the most uplifting
melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
possible! - Donna T.
If you have the computed savvy to download it from
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Jang Chae-ok: "I can't see your dream blocked by the heavy baggage of me."
Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have."
-MBC Damo
King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be
involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg you as a man. This is my way of
love. "
-MBC Dae Jang-geum
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Not sure of the number - 20-something, I think- but
day before yesterday was when Lady Jung died (which
made me get out my handkerchief and inspired my note
to the group)And today (bad) Lady Choi figured out
Jang-Geum's identity, and so did (good) Lady Han - the
plot thickens! - D
--- Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...>
wrote:
> so true ms. donna. so true. what eppy are u on?
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:Since it's a
> slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But,
> I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne
> --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a
> fine
> musical score that includes one of the most
> uplifting
> melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
> humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
> Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
> possible! - Donna T.
> If you have the computed savvy to download it
> from
> some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
>
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> Jang Chae-ok: "I can't see your dream blocked by the
> heavy baggage of me."
> Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a
> dream I wish to have."
> -MBC Damo
>
> King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
> "I love you, but I won't make you my concubine,
> because I don't want you to be involved in a power
> struggle. However, I really want you to be with me.
> I order you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg
> you as a man. This is my way of love. "
> -MBC Dae Jang-geum
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SHIN-GUHM AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
^_^
That's all I have to say.
Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...> wrote:
so true ms. donna. so true. what eppy are u on?
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:Since it's a slow night on this site, I'd
like to say
a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But, I'm
definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne --
the characters are all those people you see going
around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
administration of the palace that in the other shows
are mostly voiceless extras.
It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a fine
musical score that includes one of the most uplifting
melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
possible! - Donna T.
If you have the computed savvy to download it from
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Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have."
-MBC Damo
King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be
involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
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I wanna see I wanna see I wanna see I wanna see!
Forgiveness.
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I will sit quietly and not disturb the peace...
forgiveness...and Jesus juice...
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
Not sure of the number - 20-something, I think- but
day before yesterday was when Lady Jung died (which
made me get out my handkerchief and inspired my note
to the group)And today (bad) Lady Choi figured out
Jang-Geum's identity, and so did (good) Lady Han - the
plot thickens! - D
--- Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...>
wrote:
> so true ms. donna. so true. what eppy are u on?
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:Since it's a
> slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But,
> I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne
> --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a
> fine
> musical score that includes one of the most
> uplifting
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Has anybody who is also a daily drama fan noticed how
much the young actor who plays the boy Yi Soon-Shin
looks like Sun-Joo on YH? They could be brother and
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oh good ur still somewhat in the beginning. han is incredible.
her role was extended b/c she b/c so popular. it's just getting
warmed up. u'r gonna enjoy. although the little girl who played
jang-geum was absolutely amazing & u'll miss her very much.
enjoy ms. donna it's worth it.
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
Not sure of the number - 20-something, I think- but
day before yesterday was when Lady Jung died (which
made me get out my handkerchief and inspired my note
to the group)And today (bad) Lady Choi figured out
Jang-Geum's identity, and so did (good) Lady Han - the
plot thickens! - D
--- Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...>
wrote:
> so true ms. donna. so true. what eppy are u on?
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:Since it's a
> slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But,
> I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne
> --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a
> fine
> musical score that includes one of the most
> uplifting
> melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
> humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
> Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
> possible! - Donna T.
> If you have the computed savvy to download it
> from
> some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
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> -MBC Damo
>
> King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
> "I love you, but I won't make you my concubine,
> because I don't want you to be involved in a power
> struggle. However, I really want you to be with me.
> I order you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg
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Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have."
-MBC Damo
King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be
involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg you as a man. This is my way of
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u can buy it shawn.
shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:ERRRRRRRRRR!
I wanna see I wanna see I wanna see I wanna see!
Forgiveness.
It is late and I have had a long day at work...
I will sit quietly and not disturb the peace...
forgiveness...and Jesus juice...
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
Not sure of the number - 20-something, I think- but
day before yesterday was when Lady Jung died (which
made me get out my handkerchief and inspired my note
to the group)And today (bad) Lady Choi figured out
Jang-Geum's identity, and so did (good) Lady Han - the
plot thickens! - D
--- Chrissandra Hamilton <csh3prodigy@...>
wrote:
> so true ms. donna. so true. what eppy are u on?
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:Since it's a
> slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But,
> I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne
> --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a
> fine
> musical score that includes one of the most
> uplifting
> melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
> humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
> Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
> possible! - Donna T.
> If you have the computed savvy to download it
> from
> some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
>
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> -MBC Damo
>
> King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
> "I love you, but I won't make you my concubine,
> because I don't want you to be involved in a power
> struggle. However, I really want you to be with me.
> I order you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg
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Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have."
-MBC Damo
King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be
involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
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they do resemble each other. he's from the show
'daddy fish' but he was a lot younger than. maybe
4 or 5 yrs ago. he's still so cute though.
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
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Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have."
-MBC Damo
King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be
involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
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Hi, Donna and all, this may have been posted already, but isn't the child actor
who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's children in a middle episode of
AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which AOW episodes were involved!
LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I really enjoyed the childhood
sequence in
Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute and their story so appealing.
Linda
You know - now that you mention it, I think he WAS the oldest one (the "good"
one, later on - what was his name??) He was always toting the other two around
as a child, babysitting! - D
llbholt <lindegard@...> wrote:Hi, Donna and all, this may have been posted
already, but isn't the child actor
who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's children in a middle episode of
AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which AOW episodes were involved!
LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I really enjoyed the childhood
sequence in
Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute and their story so appealing.
Linda
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Ji-Soon, which means He who had sense, but was not of Archfiend (perhaps the
main reason why he had sense).
Okay ya got me. His name didn't mean that, but he was Ji-soon.
I did find it ironic that Ji-Soon's sense of filial piety would ultimately
lead to his own death when he fell for the ploy of his fathers head being
dishonored in the town square. Also the fact that he had seized the Palace and
was guarding pantywaist Myung Jong but didn't kill him. One thing that the
review at the end of the AOW's was very keen on was the fact that the Warriors
NEVER replaced the Emperor and became Emperor themselves.
Ui-Min's grand enterprise of Kaelim, whether Duduel is blamed, Madam Bu-Yong
or Mrs Ui-Min, how ANY of these people could think that Ui-Min who STILL
COULDN'T READ by episode 90, could lead a Kingdom? The fact that he kept his two
USELESS sons around after they beat Bu-Yong bad enough to cause her to lose her
baby was also a sign of imminent failure. Factor in that his wife was ONLY his
wife because of the Governor of Surabul, she had to go too.
He just never made the tough choices correctly and the only son he had that
was worth his grain in salt was Ji-Soon, but he allowed Ji-Soon to become too
honor bound and loyal (according to AOW) to the Koryo Regime. How he could
believe that Ji-Soon would be able to help when he was becoming more and more
loyal to the Imperial House...
It reminds me of what Ui-Bang told Ui-Min. He told him that he was a great
warrior and to stick with that (during his entire "Hidden Ambition" speech that
Ui-Bang and Ui-Min had in Ui-Bang's office).
Ji-Soon could have succeeded where his father had failed, ironically, when his
father had been killed. When he seized the convey going back from the temple
(the same tired ass trick would be used against Choi Choong-Hon later as if he
was not alive for when they used iton the Archfiend... Myung Jong was an idiot
and General Du although loyal and I liked what he stood for... he was a stooge
for Myung Jong and the Imperial House). During Ji-Soon's seizure of the convey
he could kill useless Myung Jong, but he gets and even greater opportunity when
he gfets back to the palace and seizes it.
All of the Imperial House is at his feet at that point.
Yes if he kills them it is unlikely that he was going to last more than a week
on the throne or on the run, but he still has allies in the south and north
from his father's time in both regions... I just found that the AOW's truly was
an AOW's where they possessed little or no creative thought, originality or even
desire to better themsleves so that they could actually build something of some
sort of merit. I won't get into the fact that Geisha's became high powered
factors in the latter parts of AOW's which is just pathetic (and a clear
indication of how far out of synch things had become).
All and all Ji-Soon had his chance and much like his father he was not good
enough to realize what he was really trying to do or its actual significance in
the grand scheme of life. Ironically I just finished watching a documentary on
the Korean Conflict (or Korean War, pending on who you ask and who you talk to).
Later
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
You know - now that you mention it, I think he WAS the oldest one (the "good"
one, later on - what was his name??) He was always toting the other two around
as a child, babysitting! - D
llbholt <lindegard@...> wrote:Hi, Donna and all, this may have been posted
already, but isn't the child actor
who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's children in a middle episode of
AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which AOW episodes were involved!
LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I really enjoyed the childhood
sequence in
Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute and their story so appealing.
Linda
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Enjoyed your excellent recollection of that thread of
AOW, about the Yis and the tragedy of the discrepancy
between their opportunities and their abilities(at
least as portrayed by the show) Yi Ui-Min was
probably the most complex character in the whole
series. I can't help feeling that Koreans read these
characters a little differently than we Americans do -
but I'm not sure HOW.. Class status and Confucian
ideals of loyalty will figure more prominently to
them, however. By that I mean that Ui-Min's "failure"
(to us) to capitalize on his successes would actually
be a virtue, because no one of low birth status SHOULD
ever have the throne. I believe it was Ui-Min's
realization of that that paralyzed him - and to a
follower of Confucianism, that's good. I just read a
biography of Kim Jong-Il and his father Kim Il-Sung,
and learned that South Korea is the only place in the
world today that still has temples to Confucianism! -
D
--- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
> Ji-Soon, which means He who had sense, but was not
> of Archfiend (perhaps the main reason why he had
> sense).
> Okay ya got me. His name didn't mean that, but he
> was Ji-soon.
> I did find it ironic that Ji-Soon's sense of
> filial piety would ultimately lead to his own death
> when he fell for the ploy of his fathers head being
> dishonored in the town square. Also the fact that he
> had seized the Palace and was guarding pantywaist
> Myung Jong but didn't kill him. One thing that the
> review at the end of the AOW's was very keen on was
> the fact that the Warriors NEVER replaced the
> Emperor and became Emperor themselves.
> Ui-Min's grand enterprise of Kaelim, whether
> Duduel is blamed, Madam Bu-Yong or Mrs Ui-Min, how
> ANY of these people could think that Ui-Min who
> STILL COULDN'T READ by episode 90, could lead a
> Kingdom? The fact that he kept his two USELESS sons
> around after they beat Bu-Yong bad enough to cause
> her to lose her baby was also a sign of imminent
> failure. Factor in that his wife was ONLY his wife
> because of the Governor of Surabul, she had to go
> too.
> He just never made the tough choices correctly and
> the only son he had that was worth his grain in salt
> was Ji-Soon, but he allowed Ji-Soon to become too
> honor bound and loyal (according to AOW) to the
> Koryo Regime. How he could believe that Ji-Soon
> would be able to help when he was becoming more and
> more loyal to the Imperial House...
> It reminds me of what Ui-Bang told Ui-Min. He told
> him that he was a great warrior and to stick with
> that (during his entire "Hidden Ambition" speech
> that Ui-Bang and Ui-Min had in Ui-Bang's office).
> Ji-Soon could have succeeded where his father had
> failed, ironically, when his father had been killed.
> When he seized the convey going back from the temple
> (the same tired ass trick would be used against Choi
> Choong-Hon later as if he was not alive for when
> they used iton the Archfiend... Myung Jong was an
> idiot and General Du although loyal and I liked what
> he stood for... he was a stooge for Myung Jong and
> the Imperial House). During Ji-Soon's seizure of the
> convey he could kill useless Myung Jong, but he
> gets and even greater opportunity when he gfets back
> to the palace and seizes it.
> All of the Imperial House is at his feet at that
> point.
> Yes if he kills them it is unlikely that he was
> going to last more than a week on the throne or on
> the run, but he still has allies in the south and
> north from his father's time in both regions... I
> just found that the AOW's truly was an AOW's where
> they possessed little or no creative thought,
> originality or even desire to better themsleves so
> that they could actually build something of some
> sort of merit. I won't get into the fact that
> Geisha's became high powered factors in the latter
> parts of AOW's which is just pathetic (and a clear
> indication of how far out of synch things had
> become).
> All and all Ji-Soon had his chance and much like
> his father he was not good enough to realize what he
> was really trying to do or its actual significance
> in the grand scheme of life. Ironically I just
> finished watching a documentary on the Korean
> Conflict (or Korean War, pending on who you ask and
> who you talk to).
> Later
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> You know - now that you mention it, I think he WAS
> the oldest one (the "good" one, later on - what was
> his name??) He was always toting the other two
> around as a child, babysitting! - D
>
> llbholt <lindegard@...> wrote:Hi, Donna and all,
> this may have been posted already, but isn't the
> child actor
> who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's
> children in a middle episode of
> AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which AOW
> episodes were involved!
> LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I really
> enjoyed the childhood sequence in
> Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute and
> their story so appealing. Linda
>
>
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My guess that Americans would read these characters differently than
Koreans is that, in my opinion, there is no such thing as class
status. Although there are upper, middle and lower classes, there is
nothing binding a person from moving up, and for that matter, down
the ladder. If Ui-Min was lowborn to begin with, he should have never
gotten as far as Superior General. And at that period, the Superior
General could be seen as having the greater influence, moreso than
the Emperor.
--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> Enjoyed your excellent recollection of that thread of
> AOW, about the Yis and the tragedy of the discrepancy
> between their opportunities and their abilities(at
> least as portrayed by the show) Yi Ui-Min was
> probably the most complex character in the whole
> series. I can't help feeling that Koreans read these
> characters a little differently than we Americans do -
> but I'm not sure HOW.. Class status and Confucian
> ideals of loyalty will figure more prominently to
> them, however. By that I mean that Ui-Min's "failure"
> (to us) to capitalize on his successes would actually
> be a virtue, because no one of low birth status SHOULD
> ever have the throne. I believe it was Ui-Min's
> realization of that that paralyzed him - and to a
> follower of Confucianism, that's good. I just read a
> biography of Kim Jong-Il and his father Kim Il-Sung,
> and learned that South Korea is the only place in the
> world today that still has temples to Confucianism! -
> D
>
> --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@y...> wrote:
>
> > Ji-Soon, which means He who had sense, but was not
> > of Archfiend (perhaps the main reason why he had
> > sense).
> > Okay ya got me. His name didn't mean that, but he
> > was Ji-soon.
> > I did find it ironic that Ji-Soon's sense of
> > filial piety would ultimately lead to his own death
> > when he fell for the ploy of his fathers head being
> > dishonored in the town square. Also the fact that he
> > had seized the Palace and was guarding pantywaist
> > Myung Jong but didn't kill him. One thing that the
> > review at the end of the AOW's was very keen on was
> > the fact that the Warriors NEVER replaced the
> > Emperor and became Emperor themselves.
> > Ui-Min's grand enterprise of Kaelim, whether
> > Duduel is blamed, Madam Bu-Yong or Mrs Ui-Min, how
> > ANY of these people could think that Ui-Min who
> > STILL COULDN'T READ by episode 90, could lead a
> > Kingdom? The fact that he kept his two USELESS sons
> > around after they beat Bu-Yong bad enough to cause
> > her to lose her baby was also a sign of imminent
> > failure. Factor in that his wife was ONLY his wife
> > because of the Governor of Surabul, she had to go
> > too.
> > He just never made the tough choices correctly and
> > the only son he had that was worth his grain in salt
> > was Ji-Soon, but he allowed Ji-Soon to become too
> > honor bound and loyal (according to AOW) to the
> > Koryo Regime. How he could believe that Ji-Soon
> > would be able to help when he was becoming more and
> > more loyal to the Imperial House...
> > It reminds me of what Ui-Bang told Ui-Min. He told
> > him that he was a great warrior and to stick with
> > that (during his entire "Hidden Ambition" speech
> > that Ui-Bang and Ui-Min had in Ui-Bang's office).
> > Ji-Soon could have succeeded where his father had
> > failed, ironically, when his father had been killed.
> > When he seized the convey going back from the temple
> > (the same tired ass trick would be used against Choi
> > Choong-Hon later as if he was not alive for when
> > they used iton the Archfiend... Myung Jong was an
> > idiot and General Du although loyal and I liked what
> > he stood for... he was a stooge for Myung Jong and
> > the Imperial House). During Ji-Soon's seizure of the
> > convey he could kill useless Myung Jong, but he
> > gets and even greater opportunity when he gfets back
> > to the palace and seizes it.
> > All of the Imperial House is at his feet at that
> > point.
> > Yes if he kills them it is unlikely that he was
> > going to last more than a week on the throne or on
> > the run, but he still has allies in the south and
> > north from his father's time in both regions... I
> > just found that the AOW's truly was an AOW's where
> > they possessed little or no creative thought,
> > originality or even desire to better themsleves so
> > that they could actually build something of some
> > sort of merit. I won't get into the fact that
> > Geisha's became high powered factors in the latter
> > parts of AOW's which is just pathetic (and a clear
> > indication of how far out of synch things had
> > become).
> > All and all Ji-Soon had his chance and much like
> > his father he was not good enough to realize what he
> > was really trying to do or its actual significance
> > in the grand scheme of life. Ironically I just
> > finished watching a documentary on the Korean
> > Conflict (or Korean War, pending on who you ask and
> > who you talk to).
> > Later
> >
> > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> > You know - now that you mention it, I think he WAS
> > the oldest one (the "good" one, later on - what was
> > his name??) He was always toting the other two
> > around as a child, babysitting! - D
> >
> > llbholt <lindegard@a...> wrote:Hi, Donna and all,
> > this may have been posted already, but isn't the
> > child actor
> > who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's
> > children in a middle episode of
> > AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which AOW
> > episodes were involved!
> > LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I really
> > enjoyed the childhood sequence in
> > Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute and
> > their story so appealing. Linda
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But Confucianism teaches that it is wrong to change
status - that amounts to a betrayal of the immutable
laws of the divine. If you were born as the son of a
slave and a salt-merchant (as Ui-Min's background was
supposed to have been) - there is a reason for it,
even if you don't know it - and you owe loyalty to
your betters - i.e. those whom God has caused to be
born above you. Master Duduel, who urged Ui-Min
onward and upward, was a Buddhist, I think, and also
a "renegade monk." There were problems between
Buddhism and Confucianism because of differing
doctrines - such as this very one, that really define
who people are. But this is what I mean when I say
that because I am a Westerner and know very little
about these great Eastern religions and philosophies,
that I'm probably missing some of the meaning that is
in AOW, and all these series - D
--- Arthur Hunter <arthnt74@...> wrote:
> My guess that Americans would read these characters
> differently than
> Koreans is that, in my opinion, there is no such
> thing as class
> status. Although there are upper, middle and lower
> classes, there is
> nothing binding a person from moving up, and for
> that matter, down
> the ladder. If Ui-Min was lowborn to begin with, he
> should have never
> gotten as far as Superior General. And at that
> period, the Superior
> General could be seen as having the greater
> influence, moreso than
> the Emperor.
>
> --- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas
> <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > Enjoyed your excellent recollection of that thread
> of
> > AOW, about the Yis and the tragedy of the
> discrepancy
> > between their opportunities and their abilities(at
> > least as portrayed by the show) Yi Ui-Min was
> > probably the most complex character in the whole
> > series. I can't help feeling that Koreans read
> these
> > characters a little differently than we Americans
> do -
> > but I'm not sure HOW.. Class status and Confucian
> > ideals of loyalty will figure more prominently to
> > them, however. By that I mean that Ui-Min's
> "failure"
> > (to us) to capitalize on his successes would
> actually
> > be a virtue, because no one of low birth status
> SHOULD
> > ever have the throne. I believe it was Ui-Min's
> > realization of that that paralyzed him - and to a
> > follower of Confucianism, that's good. I just
> read a
> > biography of Kim Jong-Il and his father Kim
> Il-Sung,
> > and learned that South Korea is the only place in
> the
> > world today that still has temples to
> Confucianism! -
> > D
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Ji-Soon, which means He who had sense, but was
> not
> > > of Archfiend (perhaps the main reason why he had
> > > sense).
> > > Okay ya got me. His name didn't mean that, but
> he
> > > was Ji-soon.
> > > I did find it ironic that Ji-Soon's sense of
> > > filial piety would ultimately lead to his own
> death
> > > when he fell for the ploy of his fathers head
> being
> > > dishonored in the town square. Also the fact
> that he
> > > had seized the Palace and was guarding
> pantywaist
> > > Myung Jong but didn't kill him. One thing that
> the
> > > review at the end of the AOW's was very keen on
> was
> > > the fact that the Warriors NEVER replaced the
> > > Emperor and became Emperor themselves.
> > > Ui-Min's grand enterprise of Kaelim, whether
> > > Duduel is blamed, Madam Bu-Yong or Mrs Ui-Min,
> how
> > > ANY of these people could think that Ui-Min who
> > > STILL COULDN'T READ by episode 90, could lead a
> > > Kingdom? The fact that he kept his two USELESS
> sons
> > > around after they beat Bu-Yong bad enough to
> cause
> > > her to lose her baby was also a sign of imminent
> > > failure. Factor in that his wife was ONLY his
> wife
> > > because of the Governor of Surabul, she had to
> go
> > > too.
> > > He just never made the tough choices correctly
> and
> > > the only son he had that was worth his grain in
> salt
> > > was Ji-Soon, but he allowed Ji-Soon to become
> too
> > > honor bound and loyal (according to AOW) to the
> > > Koryo Regime. How he could believe that Ji-Soon
> > > would be able to help when he was becoming more
> and
> > > more loyal to the Imperial House...
> > > It reminds me of what Ui-Bang told Ui-Min. He
> told
> > > him that he was a great warrior and to stick
> with
> > > that (during his entire "Hidden Ambition" speech
> > > that Ui-Bang and Ui-Min had in Ui-Bang's
> office).
> > > Ji-Soon could have succeeded where his father
> had
> > > failed, ironically, when his father had been
> killed.
> > > When he seized the convey going back from the
> temple
> > > (the same tired ass trick would be used against
> Choi
> > > Choong-Hon later as if he was not alive for when
> > > they used iton the Archfiend... Myung Jong was
> an
> > > idiot and General Du although loyal and I liked
> what
> > > he stood for... he was a stooge for Myung Jong
> and
> > > the Imperial House). During Ji-Soon's seizure of
> the
> > > convey he could kill useless Myung Jong, but he
> > > gets and even greater opportunity when he gfets
> back
> > > to the palace and seizes it.
> > > All of the Imperial House is at his feet at
> that
> > > point.
> > > Yes if he kills them it is unlikely that he
> was
> > > going to last more than a week on the throne or
> on
> > > the run, but he still has allies in the south
> and
> > > north from his father's time in both regions...
> I
> > > just found that the AOW's truly was an AOW's
> where
> > > they possessed little or no creative thought,
> > > originality or even desire to better themsleves
> so
> > > that they could actually build something of some
> > > sort of merit. I won't get into the fact that
> > > Geisha's became high powered factors in the
> latter
> > > parts of AOW's which is just pathetic (and a
> clear
> > > indication of how far out of synch things had
> > > become).
> > > All and all Ji-Soon had his chance and much
> like
> > > his father he was not good enough to realize
> what he
> > > was really trying to do or its actual
> significance
> > > in the grand scheme of life. Ironically I just
> > > finished watching a documentary on the Korean
> > > Conflict (or Korean War, pending on who you ask
> and
> > > who you talk to).
> > > Later
> > >
> > > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> > > You know - now that you mention it, I think he
> WAS
> > > the oldest one (the "good" one, later on - what
> was
> > > his name??) He was always toting the other two
> > > around as a child, babysitting! - D
> > >
> > > llbholt <lindegard@a...> wrote:Hi, Donna and
> all,
> > > this may have been posted already, but isn't the
> > > child actor
> > > who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's
> > > children in a middle episode of
> > > AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which
> AOW
> > > episodes were involved!
> > > LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I
> really
> > > enjoyed the childhood sequence in
> > > Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute
> and
> > > their story so appealing. Linda
> > >
> > >
> > >
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If that is the case about Confucianism pretty much telling you to be happy where
you are...
OUCH!
OW!
OWWWWW!
If what you say is even remotely true then I see why people often betrayed the
country to outsiders! It would mean that they have or had, a religious doctrine
that totally negates upward mobility! I am too far removed from my pious youth
(no pun intended) where I studied various religions and came to the conclusion
that man, in his infinitely flawed capacity, has to be careful in whom they
place their religious trust and how they practice their spiritual beliefs.
One false move and you're drinking Jesus Juice or Sippin the Kool-aide or the
Gold is Bubblin-up-outta-your-body and you've tithed till your po-ass-broke!
(say that 10x's fast and I'll throw in a Hail Mary cause you'd have to be full
of grace to have said all that).
^_^
All jokes aside, during my high school days I always found the role religion
played in a society or country, to be very powerful and very dangerous, when in
the wrong hands.
If what has been pressed forward as Buddhism in ALL the KBS drama's like EWG and
AOW 's is remotely true, then I have to applaud (drum roll please...........
MANJOK!
Unlike Ui-Min who seemed more lucky than good with how his rise to power made
life better for peasants (which was NEVER SHOWN) unless you include the people
that cursed Archfiend when Duduel was walking through ye-ole-Imperial City...
and that wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Manjok did his best, he lost his
woman (Lotus) to the sneaky bastard Choi Coong-Hon, but still saved his
miserable life when CCH screwed up in the field. He maintained his loyalty under
the promise that CCH and the Choi's would make life better for everybody and the
peasants, but the hidden factor to why it took so long for a peasant revolt may
very well be exactly what has been brought up...
If their is the political system saying; "Don't worry be happy."
Then the religious sects are saying "Eh what're ya gonna do. Don't worry be
happy."
Not a whole lot of inspiration for change, but more importantly, if the
peasants do all the work, but the nobles and the like reap the benefit then how
will a country grow at all? I mean I figure the peasants make up the majority,
but if they have no rights... how many inventions and discoveries and
innovations does a society miss out on because this portion has no real rights
or say so? When times are bad I can only imagine how willing someone who is
excluded is, to participate in that society.
I'm really surprised that Confucianism was not as progressive as I thought it
was.
SLAVES AND SALT MERCHANTS UNITE!
What are you waiting for! FIRE THE ARROWS!
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
But Confucianism teaches that it is wrong to change
status - that amounts to a betrayal of the immutable
laws of the divine. If you were born as the son of a
slave and a salt-merchant (as Ui-Min's background was
supposed to have been) - there is a reason for it,
even if you don't know it - and you owe loyalty to
your betters - i.e. those whom God has caused to be
born above you. Master Duduel, who urged Ui-Min
onward and upward, was a Buddhist, I think, and also
a "renegade monk." There were problems between
Buddhism and Confucianism because of differing
doctrines - such as this very one, that really define
who people are. But this is what I mean when I say
that because I am a Westerner and know very little
about these great Eastern religions and philosophies,
that I'm probably missing some of the meaning that is
in AOW, and all these series - D
--- Arthur Hunter <arthnt74@...> wrote:
> My guess that Americans would read these characters
> differently than
> Koreans is that, in my opinion, there is no such
> thing as class
> status. Although there are upper, middle and lower
> classes, there is
> nothing binding a person from moving up, and for
> that matter, down
> the ladder. If Ui-Min was lowborn to begin with, he
> should have never
> gotten as far as Superior General. And at that
> period, the Superior
> General could be seen as having the greater
> influence, moreso than
> the Emperor.
>
> --- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas
> <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > Enjoyed your excellent recollection of that thread
> of
> > AOW, about the Yis and the tragedy of the
> discrepancy
> > between their opportunities and their abilities(at
> > least as portrayed by the show) Yi Ui-Min was
> > probably the most complex character in the whole
> > series. I can't help feeling that Koreans read
> these
> > characters a little differently than we Americans
> do -
> > but I'm not sure HOW.. Class status and Confucian
> > ideals of loyalty will figure more prominently to
> > them, however. By that I mean that Ui-Min's
> "failure"
> > (to us) to capitalize on his successes would
> actually
> > be a virtue, because no one of low birth status
> SHOULD
> > ever have the throne. I believe it was Ui-Min's
> > realization of that that paralyzed him - and to a
> > follower of Confucianism, that's good. I just
> read a
> > biography of Kim Jong-Il and his father Kim
> Il-Sung,
> > and learned that South Korea is the only place in
> the
> > world today that still has temples to
> Confucianism! -
> > D
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Ji-Soon, which means He who had sense, but was
> not
> > > of Archfiend (perhaps the main reason why he had
> > > sense).
> > > Okay ya got me. His name didn't mean that, but
> he
> > > was Ji-soon.
> > > I did find it ironic that Ji-Soon's sense of
> > > filial piety would ultimately lead to his own
> death
> > > when he fell for the ploy of his fathers head
> being
> > > dishonored in the town square. Also the fact
> that he
> > > had seized the Palace and was guarding
> pantywaist
> > > Myung Jong but didn't kill him. One thing that
> the
> > > review at the end of the AOW's was very keen on
> was
> > > the fact that the Warriors NEVER replaced the
> > > Emperor and became Emperor themselves.
> > > Ui-Min's grand enterprise of Kaelim, whether
> > > Duduel is blamed, Madam Bu-Yong or Mrs Ui-Min,
> how
> > > ANY of these people could think that Ui-Min who
> > > STILL COULDN'T READ by episode 90, could lead a
> > > Kingdom? The fact that he kept his two USELESS
> sons
> > > around after they beat Bu-Yong bad enough to
> cause
> > > her to lose her baby was also a sign of imminent
> > > failure. Factor in that his wife was ONLY his
> wife
> > > because of the Governor of Surabul, she had to
> go
> > > too.
> > > He just never made the tough choices correctly
> and
> > > the only son he had that was worth his grain in
> salt
> > > was Ji-Soon, but he allowed Ji-Soon to become
> too
> > > honor bound and loyal (according to AOW) to the
> > > Koryo Regime. How he could believe that Ji-Soon
> > > would be able to help when he was becoming more
> and
> > > more loyal to the Imperial House...
> > > It reminds me of what Ui-Bang told Ui-Min. He
> told
> > > him that he was a great warrior and to stick
> with
> > > that (during his entire "Hidden Ambition" speech
> > > that Ui-Bang and Ui-Min had in Ui-Bang's
> office).
> > > Ji-Soon could have succeeded where his father
> had
> > > failed, ironically, when his father had been
> killed.
> > > When he seized the convey going back from the
> temple
> > > (the same tired ass trick would be used against
> Choi
> > > Choong-Hon later as if he was not alive for when
> > > they used iton the Archfiend... Myung Jong was
> an
> > > idiot and General Du although loyal and I liked
> what
> > > he stood for... he was a stooge for Myung Jong
> and
> > > the Imperial House). During Ji-Soon's seizure of
> the
> > > convey he could kill useless Myung Jong, but he
> > > gets and even greater opportunity when he gfets
> back
> > > to the palace and seizes it.
> > > All of the Imperial House is at his feet at
> that
> > > point.
> > > Yes if he kills them it is unlikely that he
> was
> > > going to last more than a week on the throne or
> on
> > > the run, but he still has allies in the south
> and
> > > north from his father's time in both regions...
> I
> > > just found that the AOW's truly was an AOW's
> where
> > > they possessed little or no creative thought,
> > > originality or even desire to better themsleves
> so
> > > that they could actually build something of some
> > > sort of merit. I won't get into the fact that
> > > Geisha's became high powered factors in the
> latter
> > > parts of AOW's which is just pathetic (and a
> clear
> > > indication of how far out of synch things had
> > > become).
> > > All and all Ji-Soon had his chance and much
> like
> > > his father he was not good enough to realize
> what he
> > > was really trying to do or its actual
> significance
> > > in the grand scheme of life. Ironically I just
> > > finished watching a documentary on the Korean
> > > Conflict (or Korean War, pending on who you ask
> and
> > > who you talk to).
> > > Later
> > >
> > > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> > > You know - now that you mention it, I think he
> WAS
> > > the oldest one (the "good" one, later on - what
> was
> > > his name??) He was always toting the other two
> > > around as a child, babysitting! - D
> > >
> > > llbholt <lindegard@a...> wrote:Hi, Donna and
> all,
> > > this may have been posted already, but isn't the
> > > child actor
> > > who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's
> > > children in a middle episode of
> > > AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which
> AOW
> > > episodes were involved!
> > > LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I
> really
> > > enjoyed the childhood sequence in
> > > Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute
> and
> > > their story so appealing. Linda
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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While I'm at it and although it is something that stems from someplace else it
ironically ties into what you have brought up Donna and I will bet big money
that it is not going to be what (as far as what I'm about to say) you would
expect.
Okay... here I go. I'm gonna say it because I think it needs to be said so
"Damn the Torpedoes!"
I have been, for the last year, talking (if you want to call it that) with
penpals from Japan as well as being a member of other forums that have Japanese,
South Pacific, Taiwanese, etc people on them and for the life of me I have
reached my limit with the attempts to make things appear to be so foreign
because I am a "Westerner" and they are from "the East."
I am well aware that life and society as a whole are different there, but at
the same time if I had a stinkin quarter for every time somebody from Japan or
Taiwan, but especially Japan, tried to tell me that because of where I live and
where they live, it's a GREAT MYSTERY OF DIVINE PROPORTIONS. How they live and
the way that things are done (as well as the results) are so much more whatever
when compared to "Westerners", but then when I try to hold a candid conversation
with them (actually talking about the differences and similarities between here
and there) they get almost paronoid like I could be about to find out some great
secret!
When Donna put down she is a Westerner and stated it was a great Eastern
Religion and philos (I can't spell the word cause I'm gettin angry and thats
because)
Their is NO WAY that someone in the halls of power didn't understand that if
Confucianism and Buddhism state that certain fates, paths, destinies (sp), etc
are non-negotiable, then of course it can be a tool to control the masses!
What then makes these religions any better or more importantly different than
when people in Europe were told if they gave x-amount to the church they could
or would go to heaven. Or when the Catholic church use to dominate with its
philoso-whatever during their heyday. They all yielded the same result, unrest
and an eventual exposure that the church was either in league or in bed with the
government in an attempt to steer the populace one way or another.
I find it hard to believe that someone in Koryo didn't realize that the
potential of the country may be being stymied by the religious doctrine and
maybe "we outta look at it a little closer." Maybe I'm not explaining myself
correctly, but I'm a little miffed about this whole "Eastern Mystique" (I
spelled that but not philo-whatever... -_-...I'm not helping myself here with
this am I?)
I'm miffed because whenever I ask a question to an Easterner they try to
bombard me with how different they are and then I have to go round robin, look
up books by Eastern authors... (cause heaven forbid a tainted ignorant Westerner
write something about the East, even if they have or still have direct roots)...
only to find out VIOLA! It was exactly what I said without needing Carmen
SanDeigo, Santiago or the Internet search!
Yeah it means we suffer from corruption just like you Westerners or
dis-illusionment or whatever! Can somebody explain why too many Easterners just
will not admit something at face value when a "Westerner" sees something for
what it is? It's frustrating, like talking in circles for no real reason over
something that really shouldn't be such an issue.
Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
But Confucianism teaches that it is wrong to change
status - that amounts to a betrayal of the immutable
laws of the divine. If you were born as the son of a
slave and a salt-merchant (as Ui-Min's background was
supposed to have been) - there is a reason for it,
even if you don't know it - and you owe loyalty to
your betters - i.e. those whom God has caused to be
born above you. Master Duduel, who urged Ui-Min
onward and upward, was a Buddhist, I think, and also
a "renegade monk." There were problems between
Buddhism and Confucianism because of differing
doctrines - such as this very one, that really define
who people are. But this is what I mean when I say
that because I am a Westerner and know very little
about these great Eastern religions and philosophies,
that I'm probably missing some of the meaning that is
in AOW, and all these series - D
--- Arthur Hunter <arthnt74@...> wrote:
> My guess that Americans would read these characters
> differently than
> Koreans is that, in my opinion, there is no such
> thing as class
> status. Although there are upper, middle and lower
> classes, there is
> nothing binding a person from moving up, and for
> that matter, down
> the ladder. If Ui-Min was lowborn to begin with, he
> should have never
> gotten as far as Superior General. And at that
> period, the Superior
> General could be seen as having the greater
> influence, moreso than
> the Emperor.
>
> --- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas
> <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > Enjoyed your excellent recollection of that thread
> of
> > AOW, about the Yis and the tragedy of the
> discrepancy
> > between their opportunities and their abilities(at
> > least as portrayed by the show) Yi Ui-Min was
> > probably the most complex character in the whole
> > series. I can't help feeling that Koreans read
> these
> > characters a little differently than we Americans
> do -
> > but I'm not sure HOW.. Class status and Confucian
> > ideals of loyalty will figure more prominently to
> > them, however. By that I mean that Ui-Min's
> "failure"
> > (to us) to capitalize on his successes would
> actually
> > be a virtue, because no one of low birth status
> SHOULD
> > ever have the throne. I believe it was Ui-Min's
> > realization of that that paralyzed him - and to a
> > follower of Confucianism, that's good. I just
> read a
> > biography of Kim Jong-Il and his father Kim
> Il-Sung,
> > and learned that South Korea is the only place in
> the
> > world today that still has temples to
> Confucianism! -
> > D
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Ji-Soon, which means He who had sense, but was
> not
> > > of Archfiend (perhaps the main reason why he had
> > > sense).
> > > Okay ya got me. His name didn't mean that, but
> he
> > > was Ji-soon.
> > > I did find it ironic that Ji-Soon's sense of
> > > filial piety would ultimately lead to his own
> death
> > > when he fell for the ploy of his fathers head
> being
> > > dishonored in the town square. Also the fact
> that he
> > > had seized the Palace and was guarding
> pantywaist
> > > Myung Jong but didn't kill him. One thing that
> the
> > > review at the end of the AOW's was very keen on
> was
> > > the fact that the Warriors NEVER replaced the
> > > Emperor and became Emperor themselves.
> > > Ui-Min's grand enterprise of Kaelim, whether
> > > Duduel is blamed, Madam Bu-Yong or Mrs Ui-Min,
> how
> > > ANY of these people could think that Ui-Min who
> > > STILL COULDN'T READ by episode 90, could lead a
> > > Kingdom? The fact that he kept his two USELESS
> sons
> > > around after they beat Bu-Yong bad enough to
> cause
> > > her to lose her baby was also a sign of imminent
> > > failure. Factor in that his wife was ONLY his
> wife
> > > because of the Governor of Surabul, she had to
> go
> > > too.
> > > He just never made the tough choices correctly
> and
> > > the only son he had that was worth his grain in
> salt
> > > was Ji-Soon, but he allowed Ji-Soon to become
> too
> > > honor bound and loyal (according to AOW) to the
> > > Koryo Regime. How he could believe that Ji-Soon
> > > would be able to help when he was becoming more
> and
> > > more loyal to the Imperial House...
> > > It reminds me of what Ui-Bang told Ui-Min. He
> told
> > > him that he was a great warrior and to stick
> with
> > > that (during his entire "Hidden Ambition" speech
> > > that Ui-Bang and Ui-Min had in Ui-Bang's
> office).
> > > Ji-Soon could have succeeded where his father
> had
> > > failed, ironically, when his father had been
> killed.
> > > When he seized the convey going back from the
> temple
> > > (the same tired ass trick would be used against
> Choi
> > > Choong-Hon later as if he was not alive for when
> > > they used iton the Archfiend... Myung Jong was
> an
> > > idiot and General Du although loyal and I liked
> what
> > > he stood for... he was a stooge for Myung Jong
> and
> > > the Imperial House). During Ji-Soon's seizure of
> the
> > > convey he could kill useless Myung Jong, but he
> > > gets and even greater opportunity when he gfets
> back
> > > to the palace and seizes it.
> > > All of the Imperial House is at his feet at
> that
> > > point.
> > > Yes if he kills them it is unlikely that he
> was
> > > going to last more than a week on the throne or
> on
> > > the run, but he still has allies in the south
> and
> > > north from his father's time in both regions...
> I
> > > just found that the AOW's truly was an AOW's
> where
> > > they possessed little or no creative thought,
> > > originality or even desire to better themsleves
> so
> > > that they could actually build something of some
> > > sort of merit. I won't get into the fact that
> > > Geisha's became high powered factors in the
> latter
> > > parts of AOW's which is just pathetic (and a
> clear
> > > indication of how far out of synch things had
> > > become).
> > > All and all Ji-Soon had his chance and much
> like
> > > his father he was not good enough to realize
> what he
> > > was really trying to do or its actual
> significance
> > > in the grand scheme of life. Ironically I just
> > > finished watching a documentary on the Korean
> > > Conflict (or Korean War, pending on who you ask
> and
> > > who you talk to).
> > > Later
> > >
> > > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> > > You know - now that you mention it, I think he
> WAS
> > > the oldest one (the "good" one, later on - what
> was
> > > his name??) He was always toting the other two
> > > around as a child, babysitting! - D
> > >
> > > llbholt <lindegard@a...> wrote:Hi, Donna and
> all,
> > > this may have been posted already, but isn't the
> > > child actor
> > > who plays young Yi also one of the Archfiend's
> > > children in a middle episode of
> > > AOW? I don't think I could ever figure out which
> AOW
> > > episodes were involved!
> > > LOL But it would be fun to find out. :-) I
> really
> > > enjoyed the childhood sequence in
> > > Immortal Yi. Those three friends were so cute
> and
> > > their story so appealing. Linda
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Well, I happen to agree with your perspective - but I
guess that's because we're both born & bred in the ole
US of A. I DO think that the whole concept of
individual striving for "doing your own thing" is
given a thumbs up by us, but in traditional Asian
societies influenced by Confucianism, that sort of
thing was not the end-all-be-all we Americans feel it
is, particularly in the context of the family.
Your pen pals weren't trying to mystify things - our
traditions of social structure really are different --
and had vastly different roots. It's confusing,
because we all have the same (pretty much) clothes,
technology, etc. but, in the Judaeo-Christian world
and the Tao-Confucian-Buddhist world (leaving aside
the Hindu and Muslim traditions!) how families work
and how people relate to their society are still
different.
Another thing: our "melting pot" ethic here makes us
want to emphasize sameness among different traditions,
because that helps us bond together, but nothing could
be further from the Japanese point of view, which
emphasizes Japanese uniqueness. In their view, NOBODY
is like them... in fact, to become a Japanese citizen
without being Japanese is practically impossible! - D
--- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
> While I'm at it and although it is something that
> stems from someplace else it ironically ties into
> what you have brought up Donna and I will bet big
> money that it is not going to be what (as far as
> what I'm about to say) you would expect.
> Okay... here I go. I'm gonna say it because I
> think it needs to be said so "Damn the Torpedoes!"
> I have been, for the last year, talking (if you
> want to call it that) with penpals from Japan as
> well as being a member of other forums that have
> Japanese, South Pacific, Taiwanese, etc people on
> them and for the life of me I have reached my limit
> with the attempts to make things appear to be so
> foreign because I am a "Westerner" and they are from
> "the East."
> I am well aware that life and society as a whole
> are different there, but at the same time if I had a
> stinkin quarter for every time somebody from Japan
> or Taiwan, but especially Japan, tried to tell me
> that because of where I live and where they live,
> it's a GREAT MYSTERY OF DIVINE PROPORTIONS. How they
> live and the way that things are done (as well as
> the results) are so much more whatever when compared
> to "Westerners", but then when I try to hold a
> candid conversation with them (actually talking
> about the differences and similarities between here
> and there) they get almost paronoid like I could be
> about to find out some great secret!
> When Donna put down she is a Westerner and stated
> it was a great Eastern Religion and philos (I can't
> spell the word cause I'm gettin angry and thats
> because)
> Their is NO WAY that someone in the halls of power
> didn't understand that if Confucianism and Buddhism
> state that certain fates, paths, destinies (sp), etc
> are non-negotiable, then of course it can be a tool
> to control the masses!
> What then makes these religions any better or more
> importantly different than when people in Europe
> were told if they gave x-amount to the church they
> could or would go to heaven. Or when the Catholic
> church use to dominate with its philoso-whatever
> during their heyday. They all yielded the same
> result, unrest and an eventual exposure that the
> church was either in league or in bed with the
> government in an attempt to steer the populace one
> way or another.
> I find it hard to believe that someone in Koryo
> didn't realize that the potential of the country may
> be being stymied by the religious doctrine and maybe
> "we outta look at it a little closer." Maybe I'm not
> explaining myself correctly, but I'm a little miffed
> about this whole "Eastern Mystique" (I spelled that
> but not philo-whatever... -_-...I'm not helping
> myself here with this am I?)
> I'm miffed because whenever I ask a question to an
> Easterner they try to bombard me with how different
> they are and then I have to go round robin, look up
> books by Eastern authors... (cause heaven forbid a
> tainted ignorant Westerner write something about the
> East, even if they have or still have direct
> roots)... only to find out VIOLA! It was exactly
> what I said without needing Carmen SanDeigo,
> Santiago or the Internet search!
> Yeah it means we suffer from corruption just like
> you Westerners or dis-illusionment or whatever! Can
> somebody explain why too many Easterners just will
> not admit something at face value when a "Westerner"
> sees something for what it is? It's frustrating,
> like talking in circles for no real reason over
> something that really shouldn't be such an issue.
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> But Confucianism teaches that it is wrong to change
> status - that amounts to a betrayal of the immutable
> laws of the divine. If you were born as the son of
> a
> slave and a salt-merchant (as Ui-Min's background
> was
> supposed to have been) - there is a reason for it,
> even if you don't know it - and you owe loyalty to
> your betters - i.e. those whom God has caused to be
> born above you. Master Duduel, who urged Ui-Min
> onward and upward, was a Buddhist, I think, and
> also
> a "renegade monk." There were problems between
> Buddhism and Confucianism because of differing
> doctrines - such as this very one, that really
> define
> who people are. But this is what I mean when I say
> that because I am a Westerner and know very little
> about these great Eastern religions and
> philosophies,
> that I'm probably missing some of the meaning that
> is
> in AOW, and all these series - D
>
> --- Arthur Hunter <arthnt74@...> wrote:
>
> > My guess that Americans would read these
> characters
> > differently than
> > Koreans is that, in my opinion, there is no such
> > thing as class
> > status. Although there are upper, middle and lower
> > classes, there is
> > nothing binding a person from moving up, and for
> > that matter, down
> > the ladder. If Ui-Min was lowborn to begin with,
> he
> > should have never
> > gotten as far as Superior General. And at that
> > period, the Superior
> > General could be seen as having the greater
> > influence, moreso than
> > the Emperor.
> >
> > --- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas
> > <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Enjoyed your excellent recollection of that
> thread
> > of
> > > AOW, about the Yis and the tragedy of the
> > discrepancy
> > > between their opportunities and their
> abilities(at
> > > least as portrayed by the show) Yi Ui-Min was
> > > probably the most complex character in the whole
> > > series. I can't help feeling that Koreans read
> > these
> > > characters a little differently than we
> Americans
> > do -
> > > but I'm not sure HOW.. Class status and
> Confucian
> > > ideals of loyalty will figure more prominently
> to
> > > them, however. By that I mean that Ui-Min's
> > "failure"
> > > (to us) to capitalize on his successes would
> > actually
> > > be a virtue, because no one of low birth status
> > SHOULD
> > > ever have the throne. I believe it was Ui-Min's
> > > realization of that that paralyzed him - and to
> a
> > > follower of Confucianism, that's good. I just
> > read a
> > > biography of Kim Jong-Il and his father Kim
> > Il-Sung,
> > > and learned that South Korea is the only place
> in
> > the
> > > world today that still has temples to
> > Confucianism! -
> > > D
> > >
> > > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@y...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ji-Soon, which means He who had sense, but was
> > not
> > > > of Archfiend (perhaps the main reason why he
> had
> > > > sense).
> > > > Okay ya got me. His name didn't mean that,
> but
> > he
> > > > was Ji-soon.
> > > > I did find it ironic that Ji-Soon's sense of
> > > > filial piety would ultimately lead to his own
> > death
> > > > when he fell for the ploy of his fathers head
> > being
> > > > dishonored in the town square. Also the fact
> > that he
> > > > had seized the Palace and was guarding
> > pantywaist
> > > > Myung Jong but didn't kill him. One thing that
> > the
> > > > review at the end of the AOW's was very keen
> on
> > was
> > > > the fact that the Warriors NEVER replaced the
> > > > Emperor and became Emperor themselves.
> > > > Ui-Min's grand enterprise of Kaelim, whether
> > > > Duduel is blamed, Madam Bu-Yong or Mrs Ui-Min,
> > how
> > > > ANY of these people could think that Ui-Min
> who
> > > > STILL COULDN'T READ by episode 90, could lead
> a
> > > > Kingdom? The fact that he kept his two USELESS
> > sons
> > > > around after they beat Bu-Yong bad enough to
> > cause
> > > > her to lose her baby was also a sign of
> imminent
> > > > failure. Factor in that his wife was ONLY his
>
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Donna, it will only get better.
The song is called Onara. Here it is.
http://tinyurl.com/d2rmz
MBC Global Site (English) has highlights VOD you can watch or
download for free.
http://content.mbc.co.kr/e_mbc/drama.asp?idx=6
Onara Onara Ajoo Ona
Ganara Ganara Ajoo Gana
NaNani Naryeodo MotNoNani
Aniri Aniri Aninonye
Eya Diya Eya Nananiyo
Ojido Mothana Nado Gama
오나라 오나라 아주 오나 (오시려하는가 오시려하는가
아주 오시려하는가)
가나라 가나라 아주 가나 (가시려하는가 가시려하는가
아주 가시려하는가)
나나니 나려도 못노나니 (나나니가 날으려니 날지
못하니)
아니리 아니리 아니노네 (아니리 아니리 아닐것이네)
에야 디야 에야 나나니요 (에야 디야 에야
날으려하니)
오지도 못하나 나도 가마 (오지도 못하니 나도
가련다)
--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> Since it's a slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But, I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a fine
> musical score that includes one of the most uplifting
> melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
> humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
> Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
> possible! - Donna T.
> If you have the computed savvy to download it from
> some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
>
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I must say, I recently watched all of DJG and loved it. LOL Someone said to me
that it reminded them of the Perils of Pauline. It wasn't funny but it was
different from the historicals I am used to seeing.
chinohillscalif <jrintorrance@...> wrote:Donna, it will only get better.
The song is called Onara. Here it is.
http://tinyurl.com/d2rmz
MBC Global Site (English) has highlights VOD you can watch or
download for free.
http://content.mbc.co.kr/e_mbc/drama.asp?idx=6
Onara Onara Ajoo Ona
Ganara Ganara Ajoo Gana
NaNani Naryeodo MotNoNani
Aniri Aniri Aninonye
Eya Diya Eya Nananiyo
Ojido Mothana Nado Gama
오나라 오나라 아주 오나 (오시려하는가 오시려하는가
아주 오시려하는가)
가나라 가나라 아주 가나 (가시려하는가 가시려하는가
아주 가시려하는가)
나나니 나려도 못노나니 (나나니가 날으려니 날지
못하니)
아니리 아니리 아니노네 (아니리 아니리 아닐것이네)
에야 디야 에야 나나니요 (에야 디야 에야
날으려하니)
오지도 못하나 나도 가마 (오지도 못하니 나도
가련다)
--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> Since it's a slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But, I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a fine
> musical score that includes one of the most uplifting
> melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
> humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
> Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
> possible! - Donna T.
> If you have the computed savvy to download it from
> some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
>
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Jason , Kahmsamida! A million thanks! - now I can sing along! (by the way -
what does it mean?) - Donna
chinohillscalif <jrintorrance@...> wrote:Donna, it will only get better.
The song is called Onara. Here it is.
http://tinyurl.com/d2rmz
MBC Global Site (English) has highlights VOD you can watch or
download for free.
http://content.mbc.co.kr/e_mbc/drama.asp?idx=6
Onara Onara Ajoo Ona
Ganara Ganara Ajoo Gana
NaNani Naryeodo MotNoNani
Aniri Aniri Aninonye
Eya Diya Eya Nananiyo
Ojido Mothana Nado Gama
오나라 오나라 아주 오나 (오시려하는가 오시려하는가
아주 오시려하는가)
가나라 가나라 아주 가나 (가시려하는가 가시려하는가
아주 가시려하는가)
나나니 나려도 못노나니 (나나니가 날으려니 날지
못하니)
아니리 아니리 아니노네 (아니리 아니리 아닐것이네)
에야 디야 에야 나나니요 (에야 디야 에야
날으려하니)
오지도 못하나 나도 가마 (오지도 못하니 나도
가련다)
--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> Since it's a slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But, I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a fine
> musical score that includes one of the most uplifting
> melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
> humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
> Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
> possible! - Donna T.
> If you have the computed savvy to download it from
> some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
>
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Yes, Jang-Geum really went through some trials and tribulations! I know she was
a real person, but I have wondered about which, if any, incidents are based on
fact, or whether there isn't much known about her background ( so the writers
had a lot of latitude..). Donna T.
Theresa Landis <mtlandis@...> wrote:I must say, I recently watched all of
DJG and loved it. LOL Someone said to me that it reminded them of the Perils of
Pauline. It wasn't funny but it was different from the historicals I am used to
seeing.
chinohillscalif <jrintorrance@...> wrote:Donna, it will only get better.
The song is called Onara. Here it is.
http://tinyurl.com/d2rmz
MBC Global Site (English) has highlights VOD you can watch or
download for free.
http://content.mbc.co.kr/e_mbc/drama.asp?idx=6
Onara Onara Ajoo Ona
Ganara Ganara Ajoo Gana
NaNani Naryeodo MotNoNani
Aniri Aniri Aninonye
Eya Diya Eya Nananiyo
Ojido Mothana Nado Gama
오나라 오나라 아주 오나 (오시려하는가 오시려하는가
아주 오시려하는가)
가나라 가나라 아주 가나 (가시려하는가 가시려하는가
아주 가시려하는가)
나나니 나려도 못노나니 (나나니가 날으려니 날지
못하니)
아니리 아니리 아니노네 (아니리 아니리 아닐것이네)
에야 디야 에야 나나니요 (에야 디야 에야
날으려하니)
오지도 못하나 나도 가마 (오지도 못하니 나도
가련다)
--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, Donna Thomas <drtwmt@y...> wrote:
> Since it's a slow night on this site, I'd like to say
> a few things about this terrific show which, alas,
> unless you get AZN, you can't see right now. But, I'm
> definitely going to buy it through YesAsia, because
> it's one of the most inspiring dramas I've seen.
> You see, it's not about the generals, emperors,or
> rebels battling for "the Great Cause" OR the throne --
> the characters are all those people you see going
> around with their heads bowed --the attendants, the
> eunuchs, the guards, the serving people, the entire
> administration of the palace that in the other shows
> are mostly voiceless extras.
> It is the "Downstairs" of "Upstairs,Downstairs" -and
> what a wonderful story it is!! Idealized, of course,
> but very moving and inspiring. Greed, prejudice,
> corruption and tragedy are portrayed equally with
> beautiful depictions of loyalty and love - plus a fine
> musical score that includes one of the most uplifting
> melodies - a joyous, almost Celtic tune that has me
> humming every day.(wish I knew the words!)
> Anyway, enough said-- just WATCH IT if at all
> possible! - Donna T.
> If you have the computed savvy to download it from
> some source or can buy it, i really recommend it -
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
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