Thanks for the PICS and information... but I am sad to hear about the accident.
Did she go to jail? I would be biased, but I will say it anyway I hope not, but
drunk driving... depressing.
   I also am wondering if she is married, because I saw her date of birth, she
doesn't have to be married but I hope she at least has someone she can turn to
especially facing something as scary as jail. I hope no one was injured or
killed in her accident.

betz.mc@... wrote:
Hiya Donna & Fellow Fans :-)

Chrissy mentioned ...guhn's
first love Yunhwa, played by
Kim Hye-Ri...

Wow, one of my fav chars in EWG
and yes, quite beautiful


Kim Hye-Ri - pic
http://www.cinespot.com/filmpeople/ekrkimhyeri.html

Kim Hye Ri - uh oooooh !
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200408/200408120046.html

Hye Ri played the Shilla Queen in
Legend of the Evil Lake, 2003 Korea

the palace scenes Evil Lake were
filmed in China at same set used for
The Emperor & the Assassin and, Hero

a review
http://www.kfccinema.com/reviews/swordplay/legendevillake/legendevillake.html

a review - 2004 Philadelphia Film Festival
[note ... has some spoilers]
http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/emporium.nsf/0/ab917fb930c3336688256e7e000c6f82?O\
penDocument

a review  [note ...has some spoilers]
http://hanbooks.com/leofevlaathy.html

lotsa pics :-)
http://www.hancinema.net/korean_movie_The_Legend_Of_Evil_Lake.php




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CCH is a little country, a little rock and roll!
^_^
I need sleep. Let this be a lesson to you all, don't ork third shift as an
insomniac... life becomes very difficult!
  Seriously though CCH is very slimy and people seem to "look away" until he
slimes them! Then its not funny anymore! It was fitting he was sitting on the
throne laughing like a jackass, but at least he didn't have terrorist playing
cards! Least not yet...  And we can never forget that although it would have
been a good place to stop OH NO, NO NO NO we have to see just HOW he mucks it
all up first and THEN it will end, but certainly not before... That would be too
humane, no no no we must see CCH for the sneaky rat bastard that he is in
ALLLLLL his DRUNKEN WITH POWER GLORY!
    How bout a gentlemen's bet that he kills Lotus or Jaunson? One of these two
ladies is going down and not in a good way either! My instincts tell me that one
of them is about to get killed, but because CCH is so slimy I don't know which
one. I am also sure that Hyang, his youngest son is going down to. He'll
probably get killed thanks to Jaunson's nasty words to Woo and then CCH will
kill Jaunson. That's IT! That's how it will play out. Woo kills Hyang and CCH
asks him who filled his mind with that idea. Woo rats out Jaunson, CCH confronts
her, she pulls an Aran and CCH has her executed.
-_-

I still can't get past the macrobiotic part! It's too funny! and yes it sounds
like you would have had a pretty penny stashed away!
Later!


Sandra J Fulton <medieval_student@...> wrote:
I  think Ui-Bang must have gotten bumped off in episode 40 or earlier.
Episode 40, or maybe 41, was when I began watching AOW, and I don't
remember it.  The first hours I watched had to do with his widow (I think!
it was very confusing at first) and her little girl being told they had to
leave court, and I remember them talking to Myung-Jong's empress about
breaking the betrothal with the Crown Prince and sailing (actually rowing)
away down a river into the sunset.  Does that help?

Gosh, it seemed like last Friday's episode (in Philly), no. 153, was a
logical place for the whole series to end, with Choi sitting on the throne
of empire and having a fit of laughter.  Did it seem that way to anyone
else?  Choi is such a piece of fascist slime, who can empathize with him?
It's like watching the rise of Hitler, or You-know-who.

Looks like Choi Cousin got dumped, despite what the narrator said.  Maybe
he'll wander back.  Not that I much care.

PS:  My irritating acquaintance Marlon, the pointy-chinned religious
fanatic, got personally enthused over Jesus (various sects), not to mention
the Millennium, several  saints, his personal guardian angel, Zen, Hatha
Yoga, the Maharishi, the Templars, Krishna Consciousness, snake handling &
speaking in tongues, UFOs, existentialism, and probably a few others I
can't recall, long before he took up macrobiotics.  He was obviously
mentally ill and my husband and I felt sorry for him, so it took us a long
time to tell him "Please don't return."   Nowadays I wish I had a dollar
for every time he preached at us with those over-acted "Choi cousin" facial
expressions.  I'd have a pretty good bankroll in my retirement.

Sandy Fulton
medieval_student@...

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time
and your government when it deserves it."
                                                            -Mark Twain



> [Original Message]
> From: <WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 6/12/2005 10:01:18 AM
> Subject: [WangGuhn] Digest Number 548
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> There are 8 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Yi Soon-shin
>            From: "academygrcc" <oconne@...>
>       2. Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>            From: shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
>       3. Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>            From: Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...>
>       4. Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>            From: shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
>       5. Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>            From: Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...>
>       6. Korean Drama Group Moving
>            From: "Theresa" <mtlandis@...>
>       7. Re: Korean Drama Group Moving
>            From: Cathy Burt <catburt028@...>
>       8. Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>            From: shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:09:02 -0000
>    From: "academygrcc" <oconne@...>
> Subject: Yi Soon-shin
>
> for anyone who watches Immortal Yi Soon-shin, I will be unable to watch
it
> tonight...if you can tape it let me know!  I am desperate and my vcr is
not
> working!!!!
> -ace
>
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:09:58 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> Subject: Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>
>  I believe it is Episode 51 that Ui-Bang dies in. (I think it starts in
Episode 50, then 51 he dies at the very end and 52 they bring his body back
to the Imperial City... I could be off by one, but anyway). At the end of
the Episode prior to Ui-Bang's death Muby finally convinces him (by the way
Muby would have made a great Advisor... if she wasn't always driven by
greed and self-interest most of the time, I think watching Muby struggle
with the fact that although Sir Yi was definitely swayed and influenced by
her and truly loved her, she couldn't always control him and I think that
was what made her love him... as much as a woman like her is capable of,
ironically I could relate to Muby as a character, because I could only
imagine her life before the palace and then being brought in and then the
palace intrigues and back and fourths, she was EXTREMELY distrustful of
EVERYTHING, but unfortunately we never really see what turned her into who
she was... or are they trying to show us
>  with Jaunson? Jaunson was a peasant girl as well (or was she a
slave-peasant girl? as if that helps right) brought in by Choi Choong-Hoi
(that sneaky BASTARD! He's NO WARRIOR!) for the sole purpose of tempting
the Archfiend. He then has Lotus teach her the art of Geisha (while CCH
pimps out Lotus to the Archfiend... PS; does Choi Choong-Hoi have ANY
limits at ALL... his mind seems to be in constant Psychoanalysis of
everything around him and then how can he USE a person to get what he
wants, he knew Lotus would do anything to help him including using herself
and he HAMS IT UP, but lets her sleep with Ui-Min, but if you pay attention
to when she first talks to him of her "idea" he actually TELLS HER in so
many words; Sure we can run with the "take my wife ploy", but you're gonna
fall in love with the guy cause I heard he's quite the stud...)
> -_-
> Any-way! He uses Jaunson and she loves him to pieces because he took her
away from peasant life. When Ui-Min doesn't fall for the worlds most
beautiful Alien Vs Predator (what is up with her forehead? Seriously...
tell me she doesn't look like Alien with that forehead, mind you she's cute
in a deranged sort of way... guess I'm back ta needin Jesus, anyway) CCH
then says here; "Go serve his deranged and abusive middle son" which I'm
sure that poster boy for restraining orders was a hot time on the town. She
then watches him die at her feet
> and after all of this she and CCH had a deal that he wouldn't leave her
out in the cold (failed to mention the fact that she was competing with her
adopted mother Lotus... for CCH!
> Two words; EWWWW NASTY!) And after ALLLLLLLL OF THIS... he leaves her out
in the cold, but she did get a great Geisha House for a little bit. If this
was what Muby had to go through in her life, queue Dr.Phil cause I could
see why she was drunk with womanly POWER!)
>   Ok, now that I have gone all the way around God's Green Earth back to
our feature presentation. When Muby finally convinces Ui-Bang to overthrow
Myong Jung she tries to get him to stay the night with her and he refuses
and leaves (big mistake, let this be a lesson to all you men, if you're
woman offers... you should NEVER refuse). In the middle of the night Muby
has a dream of Sir Yi on a horse and he is dead. She tells Olan to go to
him first thing in the morning and bring him back to her. Olan goes by his
estate (I can't explain why she was told first thing in the morning except
that the show producers had to come up with a means to get Ui-Bang outta
there, because MOST sane people would've went to him THAT NIGHT)... either
way she goes to his estate and is told he left already and went to the
military training grounds.
>    Queue cowardly Kyun's sneak attack! Ui-Bang escapes on his horse, but
is mortally wounded. He eventually falls off and is surrounded by Kyun's
Cowards, but then Olan appears and chases them off! She helps Ui-Bang to a
cave and nearly gets choked out by him when he wakes up delusional. He
eventually tells her to go and get General Cho (ohhh Cho General, I was
never more disappointed by his betrayal, but he did betray Che Won so I
should've saw it coming). At this point she leaves Ui-Bang in the cave and
a huge argument breaks out around me because people are screaming at my TV
for her to stay with Ui-Bang till he can move.
>   Olan gets captured and eventually kills herself after having her knees
and legs crushed by Cowardly Kyun and his mad, mad Monk. Ui-Bang leaves the
cave and comes across the John Kerry of Korea and the rest is history. I
would like to point out that when the AOW starts the initial warriors are
powerful, skilled and very, very good at their job. By Kyung Dae-Sung's era
they are a step down and by the Archfiend era they are holding discussions
about state affairs... in a Geisha HOUSE! Meanwhile the warriors themselves
are no more than an unruly mob as witnessed when CCH attacks Ui-Min and
they lose a huge chunk of CCH's personal army to a still dangerous but much
older Ui-Min, Brue and General Choi.
>     I like the subtle way that they showed how power and influence slowly
reduced the warriors skills and judgment... So now I'm off to the Geisha
House to discuss VERY IMPORTANT state affairs with VERY THIN WALLS to be
heard through!
> Later!
>
>
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> Shawn - you got that right on everything, especially
> Park Sul-Hee and Lady What's-Her-Name (sigh!). What a
> waste!  But - I'm confused - can't remember anything
> about Ui-Bang and Olan; do you mean Muby?? (Olan was
> Muby's Amazon/Vestal Virgin/Woman Warrior bodyguard) -
> Donna T
>
> --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
>
> > Yeah Jaunson has that moth to a flame thing goin on
> > full tilt. The fact that she calls her own people
> > worthless and animals but seems to forget that she
> > herself regardless of station is STILL one of them
> > anyway... she needs Dr. Phil and a good hug!
> > ^_^
> >   And alas you are absolutely right that the women
> > should get far more development. I remember when I
> > was watching Chumpster Chung Kyun pull his
> > "assassination" of Ui-Bang and Olan caught up with
> > Ui-Bang and got him to the cave I kept thinking to
> > myself "They can't split up! Don't split up! Olan's
> > good but she couldn't beat Yi Ko's Patriot Guard
> > Monk General and she definitely couldn't beat Che
> > Won, but if she stays with Ui-Bang lets him rest up
> > and they both try to get off the mountain they might
> > make it..."
> >   Then I remembered that this is based off history
> > so... they weren't gonna make it anyway.
> > -_- Damn!
> >   I really liked Kyun Hyun's warrior sister who was
> > very loyal to her brother even when their father was
> > not. I really wanted her and Park Sulhee to be
> > together, they would have had strong and beautiful
> > children especially with parents like them, but
> > again... I am thwarted.
> > -_- Damn!
> >   And true enough Master Duduel made a number of key
> > mistakes with Ui-Min and one of them was Aran, but
> > another was that he always let things play out too
> > long before he would finally bonk him over the head
> > or yell at him... I guess they didn't want him to be
> > too much like Choi Sung-Woo from Wang Guhn.
> >   And Aran... she needed Jesus. Although I did
> > actually find her attractive in a psychotic sort of
> > way... so I guess that means?
> >  I must need Jesus!
> > Later!
> > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> > One of the things I love about this show is that you
> > see the good, bad and ugly side of so many
> > characters!
> > For instance, I loved Master Duduel, but he was
> > wrong
> > about the Archfiend, who in the end just didn't have
> > the character to revive Shilla. And JinJae, though
> > he
> > got a terrible punishment, has turned into a
> > dangerous
> > fanatic, so I don't think Choi Choong-Hon (ever the
> > Machiavellian ruler) did anything to him worse than
> > was was usual in those times. But it seems that this
> > multi-dimensional-ness is developed better for the
> > men
> > than the women.  Oh well.. the only characters I've
> > truly loved to hate were Aran and Jaunson - because
> > they turned good men bad?? Yep - I think Jaunson's
> > going to bring Lotus down, but go down in flames
> > herself! - Donna T.
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Do you mean the Emperor that took over from Myung
> > > Jung or his son who was Choi Ung? If you mean the
> > > son I don't really see it as whining, but I am too
> > > busy looking at his Empress she is a cutie!
> > >   I personally am hoping for Choi Choong-Hon to
> > get
> > > killed since he killed the Archfiend with his
> > > cowardly lies!
> > >   Jin Jae just finished failing to take CCH's head
> > > so I hope he suffers for killing Master Duduel and
> > > then failing to keep his word, but then again he
> > did
> > > lose his heels... so I guess they're sort of even.
> >
> > >   I'm waiting for Jaunson to come back so she can
> > > duke it out with Lotus (which will probably never
> > > happen since they aren't Olan or Soren... oh
> > well).
> > > Later!
> > >
> > >
> > > crowtrobo2 <crowtrobo2@...> wrote:
> > > I cannot stand the current Emporer, anyone else
> > feel
> > > that way? He's
> > > such a weasel and all he does is whine. I hope
> > > Choong-hon dispatches
> > > of him soon. :)
> > >
> > > The only other character on the show that gets on
> > my
> > > nerves is the
> > > cousin who hangs around with the soothe-sayer.
> > > What's up with his
> > > facial expressions? He looks constipated all the
> > > time and his voice
> > > ... ugh.
> > >
> > > Oh, and I hope Hyang stands up and kicks his
> > > brother's ass. Woo has
> > > gotten awfully full of himself.
> > >
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>    Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:30:20 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...>
> Subject: Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>
> Wow - your memory is incredible! (Or is it just that
> mine is like Swiss cheese?)  Believe  it or not, I've
> printed your recap, because when I really can't
> remember things, it will cause it to all come back!
> Thanks!  But, I have a little different interpretation
> of Ui-Bang and Muby:  you see, I think Muby didnt have
> the influence on him she had in the beginning: their
> relationship had gotten to be a little stale.
> Remember, the Dowager E. had sent her sister (not
> daughter) Lady Yim, who loved Chung Kyun, to "make a
> sacrifice for the empire" and  seduce Ui-Bang, and he
> had turned his affections to HER (disastrously - it
> got him killed!) I loved Muby- she was a go-getter and
> nothing (except her relationships getting stale) was
> going to stop her.  The difference between her and
> Lotus was that Muby was really an important person,
> Ui-Jong's favorite concubine, and therefore a part of
> the imperial household/family.  She had borne him 9
> (yes NINE) children (and she kept her figure???),
> plus, she was never a slave like Lotus and Jaunson had
> been, but was born  a peasant. Makes you wonder how
> Muby and CCH would have faced off.  Did you ever catch
> any episodes of "So This Is Love"?  The actress who
> played Muby was the wife of the oldest brother,
> Sang-Bum, and she was a materialistic, mean-spirited
> whiner [who happily reformed in the end!] - Donna T.
>
> --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
>
> >  I believe it is Episode 51 that Ui-Bang dies in. (I
> > think it starts in Episode 50, then 51 he dies at
> > the very end and 52 they bring his body back to the
> > Imperial City... I could be off by one, but anyway).
> > At the end of the Episode prior to Ui-Bang's death
> > Muby finally convinces him (by the way Muby would
> > have made a great Advisor... if she wasn't always
> > driven by greed and self-interest most of the time,
> > I think watching Muby struggle with the fact that
> > although Sir Yi was definitely swayed and influenced
> > by her and truly loved her, she couldn't always
> > control him and I think that was what made her love
> > him... as much as a woman like her is capable of,
> > ironically I could relate to Muby as a character,
> > because I could only imagine her life before the
> > palace and then being brought in and then the palace
> > intrigues and back and fourths, she was EXTREMELY
> > distrustful of EVERYTHING, but unfortunately we
> > never really see what turned her into who she was...
> > or are they trying to show us
> >  with Jaunson? Jaunson was a peasant girl as well
> > (or was she a slave-peasant girl? as if that helps
> > right) brought in by Choi Choong-Hoi (that sneaky
> > BASTARD! He's NO WARRIOR!) for the sole purpose of
> > tempting the Archfiend. He then has Lotus teach her
> > the art of Geisha (while CCH pimps out Lotus to the
> > Archfiend... PS; does Choi Choong-Hoi have ANY
> > limits at ALL... his mind seems to be in constant
> > Psychoanalysis of everything around him and then how
> > can he USE a person to get what he wants, he knew
> > Lotus would do anything to help him including using
> > herself and he HAMS IT UP, but lets her sleep with
> > Ui-Min, but if you pay attention to when she first
> > talks to him of her "idea" he actually TELLS HER in
> > so many words; Sure we can run with the "take my
> > wife ploy", but you're gonna fall in love with the
> > guy cause I heard he's quite the stud...)
> > -_-
> > Any-way! He uses Jaunson and she loves him to pieces
> > because he took her away from peasant life. When
> > Ui-Min doesn't fall for the worlds most beautiful
> > Alien Vs Predator (what is up with her forehead?
> > Seriously... tell me she doesn't look like Alien
> > with that forehead, mind you she's cute in a
> > deranged sort of way... guess I'm back ta needin
> > Jesus, anyway) CCH then says here; "Go serve his
> > deranged and abusive middle son" which I'm sure that
> > poster boy for restraining orders was a hot time on
> > the town. She then watches him die at her feet
> > and after all of this she and CCH had a deal that he
> > wouldn't leave her out in the cold (failed to
> > mention the fact that she was competing with her
> > adopted mother Lotus... for CCH!
> > Two words; EWWWW NASTY!) And after ALLLLLLLL OF
> > THIS... he leaves her out in the cold, but she did
> > get a great Geisha House for a little bit. If this
> > was what Muby had to go through in her life, queue
> > Dr.Phil cause I could see why she was drunk with
> > womanly POWER!)
> >   Ok, now that I have gone all the way around God's
> > Green Earth back to our feature presentation. When
> > Muby finally convinces Ui-Bang to overthrow Myong
> > Jung she tries to get him to stay the night with her
> > and he refuses and leaves (big mistake, let this be
> > a lesson to all you men, if you're woman offers...
> > you should NEVER refuse). In the middle of the night
> > Muby has a dream of Sir Yi on a horse and he is
> > dead. She tells Olan to go to him first thing in the
> > morning and bring him back to her. Olan goes by his
> > estate (I can't explain why she was told first thing
> > in the morning except that the show producers had to
> > come up with a means to get Ui-Bang outta there,
> > because MOST sane people would've went to him THAT
> > NIGHT)... either way she goes to his estate and is
> > told he left already and went to the military
> > training grounds.
> >    Queue cowardly Kyun's sneak attack! Ui-Bang
> > escapes on his horse, but is mortally wounded. He
> > eventually falls off and is surrounded by Kyun's
> > Cowards, but then Olan appears and chases them off!
> > She helps Ui-Bang to a cave and nearly gets choked
> > out by him when he wakes up delusional. He
> > eventually tells her to go and get General Cho (ohhh
> > Cho General, I was never more disappointed by his
> > betrayal, but he did betray Che Won so I should've
> > saw it coming). At this point she leaves Ui-Bang in
> > the cave and a huge argument breaks out around me
> > because people are screaming at my TV for her to
> > stay with Ui-Bang till he can move.
> >   Olan gets captured and eventually kills herself
> > after having her knees and legs crushed by Cowardly
> > Kyun and his mad, mad Monk. Ui-Bang leaves the cave
> > and comes across the John Kerry of Korea and the
> > rest is history. I would like to point out that when
> > the AOW starts the initial warriors are powerful,
> > skilled and very, very good at their job. By Kyung
> > Dae-Sung's era they are a step down and by the
> > Archfiend era they are holding discussions about
> > state affairs... in a Geisha HOUSE! Meanwhile the
> > warriors themselves are no more than an unruly mob
> > as witnessed when CCH attacks Ui-Min and they lose a
> > huge chunk of CCH's personal army to a still
> > dangerous but much older Ui-Min, Brue and General
> > Choi.
> >     I like the subtle way that they showed how power
> > and influence slowly reduced the warriors skills and
> > judgment... So now I'm off to the Geisha House to
> > discuss VERY IMPORTANT state affairs with VERY THIN
> > WALLS to be heard through!
> > Later!
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> > Shawn - you got that right on everything, especially
> > Park Sul-Hee and Lady What's-Her-Name (sigh!). What
> > a
> > waste!  But - I'm confused - can't remember anything
> > about Ui-Bang and Olan; do you mean Muby?? (Olan was
> > Muby's Amazon/Vestal Virgin/Woman Warrior bodyguard)
> > -
> > Donna T
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah Jaunson has that moth to a flame thing goin
> > on
> > > full tilt. The fact that she calls her own people
> > > worthless and animals but seems to forget that she
> > > herself regardless of station is STILL one of them
> > > anyway... she needs Dr. Phil and a good hug!
> > > ^_^
> > >   And alas you are absolutely right that the women
> > > should get far more development. I remember when I
> > > was watching Chumpster Chung Kyun pull his
> > > "assassination" of Ui-Bang and Olan caught up with
> > > Ui-Bang and got him to the cave I kept thinking to
> > > myself "They can't split up! Don't split up!
> > Olan's
> > > good but she couldn't beat Yi Ko's Patriot Guard
> > > Monk General and she definitely couldn't beat Che
> > > Won, but if she stays with Ui-Bang lets him rest
> > up
> > > and they both try to get off the mountain they
> > might
> > > make it..."
> > >   Then I remembered that this is based off history
> > > so... they weren't gonna make it anyway.
> > > -_- Damn!
> > >   I really liked Kyun Hyun's warrior sister who
> > was
> > > very loyal to her brother even when their father
> > was
> > > not. I really wanted her and Park Sulhee to be
> > > together, they would have had strong and beautiful
> > > children especially with parents like them, but
> > > again... I am thwarted.
> > > -_- Damn!
> > >   And true enough Master Duduel made a number of
> > key
> > > mistakes with Ui-Min and one of them was Aran, but
> > > another was that he always let things play out too
> > > long before he would finally bonk him over the
> > head
> > > or yell at him... I guess they didn't want him to
> > be
> > > too much like Choi Sung-Woo from Wang Guhn.
> > >   And Aran... she needed Jesus. Although I did
> > > actually find her attractive in a psychotic sort
> > of
> > > way... so I guess that means?
> > >  I must need Jesus!
> > > Later!
> > > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> > > One of the things I love about this show is that
> > you
> > > see the good, bad and ugly side of so many
> > > characters!
> > > For instance, I loved Master Duduel, but he was
> > > wrong
> > > about the Archfiend, who in the end just didn't
> > have
> > > the character to revive Shilla. And JinJae, though
> > > he
> > > got a terrible punishment, has turned into a
> > > dangerous
> > > fanatic, so I don't think Choi Choong-Hon (ever
> > the
> > > Machiavellian ruler) did anything to him worse
> > than
> > > was was usual in those times. But it seems that
> > this
> > > multi-dimensional-ness is developed better for the
> > > men
> > > than the women.  Oh well.. the only characters
> > I've
> > > truly loved to hate were Aran and Jaunson -
> > because
> > > they turned good men bad?? Yep - I think Jaunson's
> > > going to bring Lotus down, but go down in flames
> >
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>    Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> Subject: Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>
> Unfortunately I didn't catch that one in time. A friend of mine saw it
and when he saw her appear on AOW told me that she had a similar character
in another K-Drama and he told me about it, but I didn't see first hand. I
have seen Yellow Roses or is it Yellow Handkerchief, I never get the name
right, but a ton of the AOW actors appear on that one without all of the
makeup and costumes and I really enjoy trying to ID them without it. Ui-Min
actor Lee Duk-Hwa is a reknown artist on that one... he was also cheating
on his wife but that that's another story.
> (Queue clearing of the throat and looking around aimlessly!)
>   You are absolutely correct that Madam Yim (poor clueless lady)
certainly got Ui-Bang's attention. Hey did you notice that with both Madam
Yim and with Muby, Ui-Bang basically had two women that he could only be
seen with in public at certain times or circumstances? Muby was in her
villa at Kwang-Hwa and Yim spent most of her time in the guesthouse or
sneaking around with Kyun, but neither woman except the time Ui-Bang was
called to the palace by Empress Dowager with Madam Yim, Ui-Bang was rarely
seen with these women in public (Muby had mitagating circumstances).
>    I think the only thing that stopped Muby, ironically was Muby. She had
9 children but everyone knew that not all 9 were Ui-Jong's (this was
discussed early on by the Empress Dowager and Empress Dowager Sun as well
as by Che Won and Yi Ko when they finally decided to kill her children and
a few others characters brought it up as well when they were all trying to
"Race for the Emperor's Seal" that she had taken). Muby was told by the
Head Monk at Keguk Temple (I believe it was Keguk) that she had everything
and that people were going to get hurt if she kept going and she ignored
him. Repeatedly! Even Ui-Bang told her that he would take care of her
forever and to just leave well enough alone, but she just couldn't...
>   Sorry to say my friends and I had a rather heated debate about "What
would they do if they were involved with a woman like Muby?"  Far as I'm
concerned, unfortunately, as a man you are gonna get burned eventually,
because she really doesn't seem to know how to do things for anyone but
herself anymore. Too much energy would be spent in tug-of-wars with her
while important things go unattended. I think this was one reason why Madam
Yim was able to pull Ui-Bang away from Muby, because even Ui-Bang could
tell that his original intent had changed dramatically and he even argued
with Muby a number of times about some of the "advice" she had given him
leading to some of his problems.
>   Yim may have been clueless, but she had a better feel of being genuine
and sincere while Muby often got angry at herself whenever she actually
felt any kind of renuine emotions for Ui-Bang. I know I have a pretty keen
eye for detail at times but the actress (whose name escapes me) who played
Muby, did a very good job at portraying Muby's inner conflicts without any
dialogue. I remember one argument she had with Ui-Bang when she tries to
convince him to kill Ui-Min and he says no, then she eventually jumps to
the Madam Yim affair and when Ui-Bang says "I don't wanna hear anymore" and
leaves Muby standing there, she looked on the verge of tears by his lack of
trust in her, but she never lets out not one tear until he gets killed...
>   And then in typical fashion she pilfers his body from Kyun, DIMES OUT
THE Archfiend, the entire Poison Bottle Plot (which she did WITHOUT Sir
Yi's knowledge) and then says not one WORD to his wife that "I have his
body let US, not ME, let US give him his last rites!"
>   She was just too far gone by the time Ui-Bang reached her and she
poisoned him, which is a shame for both of them.
>   If I feel sorry for three women on the AOW its the Princess So-An (I
think her name was) who loved Kyung Dae-Sung and never got anything but
misery for it. Olan who never even got the chance to even experience love
or a man for that matter (she seemed more loyal to Ui-Bang than Muby at
times and did you see Muby's expressions whenever Olan would say "We have
to tell Sir Yi." ouch) and lastly Ui-Min's First Madam, second wife
Bu-Young. She was very inspirational to Ui-Min and I think that losing her
and letting his middle and youngest son's , along with his wife, constantly
bully her was a damn disgrace.
>    I would have killed those two sons and begged forgiveness from Buddha,
then I would have banished the first wife to some island for constantly
chopping me at the kneecaps and never telling the truth whenever it
mattered!
> -_-  Let that be a lesson to all you women... Don't be like Ui-Min's
first wife, no man will stay with you no matter how good the sex is.
>   As for Muby and CCH she would have destroyed CCH because he was and
still is at the heart of it all a sneaky cowardly snake. I personally
believe that she would have destroyed him because she would refuse to share
her dresses with someone who was supposedly a man!
> ^_^
> Later
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> Wow - your memory is incredible! (Or is it just that
> mine is like Swiss cheese?)  Believe  it or not, I've
> printed your recap, because when I really can't
> remember things, it will cause it to all come back!
> Thanks!  But, I have a little different interpretation
> of Ui-Bang and Muby:  you see, I think Muby didnt have
> the influence on him she had in the beginning: their
> relationship had gotten to be a little stale.
> Remember, the Dowager E. had sent her sister (not
> daughter) Lady Yim, who loved Chung Kyun, to "make a
> sacrifice for the empire" and  seduce Ui-Bang, and he
> had turned his affections to HER (disastrously - it
> got him killed!) I loved Muby- she was a go-getter and
> nothing (except her relationships getting stale) was
> going to stop her.  The difference between her and
> Lotus was that Muby was really an important person,
> Ui-Jong's favorite concubine, and therefore a part of
> the imperial household/family.  She had borne him 9
> (yes NINE) children (and she kept her figure???),
> plus, she was never a slave like Lotus and Jaunson had
> been, but was born  a peasant. Makes you wonder how
> Muby and CCH would have faced off.  Did you ever catch
> any episodes of "So This Is Love"?  The actress who
> played Muby was the wife of the oldest brother,
> Sang-Bum, and she was a materialistic, mean-spirited
> whiner [who happily reformed in the end!] - Donna T.
>
> --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
>
> >  I believe it is Episode 51 that Ui-Bang dies in. (I
> > think it starts in Episode 50, then 51 he dies at
> > the very end and 52 they bring his body back to the
> > Imperial City... I could be off by one, but anyway).
> > At the end of the Episode prior to Ui-Bang's death
> > Muby finally convinces him (by the way Muby would
> > have made a great Advisor... if she wasn't always
> > driven by greed and self-interest most of the time,
> > I think watching Muby struggle with the fact that
> > although Sir Yi was definitely swayed and influenced
> > by her and truly loved her, she couldn't always
> > control him and I think that was what made her love
> > him... as much as a woman like her is capable of,
> > ironically I could relate to Muby as a character,
> > because I could only imagine her life before the
> > palace and then being brought in and then the palace
> > intrigues and back and fourths, she was EXTREMELY
> > distrustful of EVERYTHING, but unfortunately we
> > never really see what turned her into who she was...
> > or are they trying to show us
> >  with Jaunson? Jaunson was a peasant girl as well
> > (or was she a slave-peasant girl? as if that helps
> > right) brought in by Choi Choong-Hoi (that sneaky
> > BASTARD! He's NO WARRIOR!) for the sole purpose of
> > tempting the Archfiend. He then has Lotus teach her
> > the art of Geisha (while CCH pimps out Lotus to the
> > Archfiend... PS; does Choi Choong-Hoi have ANY
> > limits at ALL... his mind seems to be in constant
> > Psychoanalysis of everything around him and then how
> > can he USE a person to get what he wants, he knew
> > Lotus would do anything to help him including using
> > herself and he HAMS IT UP, but lets her sleep with
> > Ui-Min, but if you pay attention to when she first
> > talks to him of her "idea" he actually TELLS HER in
> > so many words; Sure we can run with the "take my
> > wife ploy", but you're gonna fall in love with the
> > guy cause I heard he's quite the stud...)
> > -_-
> > Any-way! He uses Jaunson and she loves him to pieces
> > because he took her away from peasant life. When
> > Ui-Min doesn't fall for the worlds most beautiful
> > Alien Vs Predator (what is up with her forehead?
> > Seriously... tell me she doesn't look like Alien
> > with that forehead, mind you she's cute in a
> > deranged sort of way... guess I'm back ta needin
> > Jesus, anyway) CCH then says here; "Go serve his
> > deranged and abusive middle son" which I'm sure that
> > poster boy for restraining orders was a hot time on
> > the town. She then watches him die at her feet
> > and after all of this she and CCH had a deal that he
> > wouldn't leave her out in the cold (failed to
> > mention the fact that she was competing with her
> > adopted mother Lotus... for CCH!
> > Two words; EWWWW NASTY!) And after ALLLLLLLL OF
> > THIS... he leaves her out in the cold, but she did
> > get a great Geisha House for a little bit. If this
> > was what Muby had to go through in her life, queue
> > Dr.Phil cause I could see why she was drunk with
> > womanly POWER!)
> >   Ok, now that I have gone all the way around God's
> > Green Earth back to our feature presentation. When
> > Muby finally convinces Ui-Bang to overthrow Myong
> > Jung she tries to get him to stay the night with her
> > and he refuses and leaves (big mistake, let this be
> > a lesson to all you men, if you're woman offers...
> > you should NEVER refuse). In the middle of the night
> > Muby has a dream of Sir Yi on a horse and he is
> > dead. She tells Olan to go to him first thing in the
> > morning and bring him back to her. Olan goes by his
> > estate (I can't explain why she was told first thing
> > in the morning except that the show producers had to
> > come up with a means to get Ui-Bang outta there,
> > because MOST sane people would've went to him THAT
> > NIGHT)... either way she goes to his estate and is
> > told he left already and went to the military
> > training grounds.
> >    Queue cowardly Kyun's sneak attack! Ui-Bang
> > escapes on his horse, but is mortally wounded. He
> > eventually falls off and is surrounded by Kyun's
> > Cowards, but then Olan appears and chases them off!
> > She helps Ui-Bang to a cave and nearly gets choked
> > out by him when he wakes up delusional. He
> > eventually tells her to go and get General Cho (ohhh
> > Cho General, I was never more disappointed by his
> > betrayal, but he did betray Che Won so I should've
> > saw it coming). At this point she leaves Ui-Bang in
> > the cave and a huge argument breaks out around me
> > because people are screaming at my TV for her to
> > stay with Ui-Bang till he can move.
> >   Olan gets captured and eventually kills herself
> > after having her knees and legs crushed by Cowardly
> > Kyun and his mad, mad Monk. Ui-Bang leaves the cave
> > and comes across the John Kerry of Korea and the
> > rest is history. I would like to point out that when
> > the AOW starts the initial warriors are powerful,
> > skilled and very, very good at their job. By Kyung
> > Dae-Sung's era they are a step down and by the
> > Archfiend era they are holding discussions about
> > state affairs... in a Geisha HOUSE! Meanwhile the
> > warriors themselves are no more than an unruly mob
> > as witnessed when CCH attacks Ui-Min and they lose a
> > huge chunk of CCH's personal army to a still
> > dangerous but much older Ui-Min, Brue and General
> > Choi.
> >     I like the subtle way that they showed how power
> > and influence slowly reduced the warriors skills and
> > judgment... So now I'm off to the Geisha House to
> > discuss VERY IMPORTANT state affairs with VERY THIN
> > WALLS to be heard through!
> > Later!
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> > Shawn - you got that right on everything, especially
> > Park Sul-Hee and Lady What's-Her-Name (sigh!). What
> > a
> > waste!  But - I'm confused - can't remember anything
> > about Ui-Bang and Olan; do you mean Muby?? (Olan was
> > Muby's Amazon/Vestal Virgin/Woman Warrior bodyguard)
> > -
> > Donna T
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah Jaunson has that moth to a flame thing goin
> > on
> > > full tilt. The fact that she calls her own people
> > > worthless and animals but seems to forget that she
> > > herself regardless of station is STILL one of them
> > > anyway... she needs Dr. Phil and a good hug!
> > > ^_^
> > >   And alas you are absolutely right that the women
> > > should get far more development. I remember when I
> > > was watching Chumpster Chung Kyun pull his
> > > "assassination" of Ui-Bang and Olan caught up with
> > > Ui-Bang and got him to the cave I kept thinking to
> > > myself "They can't split up! Don't split up!
> > Olan's
> > > good but she couldn't beat Yi Ko's Patriot Guard
> > > Monk General and she definitely couldn't beat Che
> > > Won, but if she stays with Ui-Bang lets him rest
> > up
> > > and they both try to get off the mountain they
> > might
> > > make it..."
> > >   Then I remembered that this is based off history
> > > so... they weren't gonna make it anyway.
> > > -_- Damn!
> > >   I really liked Kyun Hyun's warrior sister who
> > was
> > > very loyal to her brother even when their father
> > was
> > > not. I really wanted her and Park Sulhee to be
> > > together, they would have had strong and beautiful
> > > children especially with parents like them, but
> > > again... I am thwarted.
> > > -_- Damn!
> > >   And true enough Master Duduel made a number of
> > key
> > > mistakes with Ui-Min and one of them was Aran, but
> > > another was that he always let things play out too
> > > long before he would finally bonk him over the
> > head
> > > or yell at him... I guess they didn't want him to
> > be
> > > too much like Choi Sung-Woo from Wang Guhn.
> > >   And Aran... she needed Jesus. Although I did
> > > actually find her attractive in a psychotic sort
> > of
> > > way... so I guess that means?
> > >  I must need Jesus!
> > > Later!
> > > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> > > One of the things I love about this show is that
> > you
> > > see the good, bad and ugly side of so many
> > > characters!
> > > For instance, I loved Master Duduel, but he was
> > > wrong
> > > about the Archfiend, who in the end just didn't
> > have
> > > the character to revive Shilla. And JinJae, though
> > > he
> > > got a terrible punishment, has turned into a
> > > dangerous
> > > fanatic, so I don't think Choi Choong-Hon (ever
> > the
> > > Machiavellian ruler) did anything to him worse
> > than
> > > was was usual in those times. But it seems that
> > this
> > > multi-dimensional-ness is developed better for the
> > > men
> > > than the women.  Oh well.. the only characters
> > I've
> > > truly loved to hate were Aran and Jaunson -
> > because
> > > they turned good men bad?? Yep - I think Jaunson's
> > > going to bring Lotus down, but go down in flames
> >
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>    Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 18:54:14 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...>
> Subject: Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>
> I've always thought that one of the major themes of
> AOW is the old motto "cherchez la femme" [if you're
> looking for trouble,that is] Your comments seem to
> agree!... don't know what the real history says ( I
> have Professor Shultz's book, "Generals and Scholars"
> but he never mentions any of the women except for
> Dowager Empress - and he's apparently the only one in
> English).  But, Muby, Aran, Jaunson, and Mrs. Yi
> Ui-Min... all driven by blind ambition (Bad Girls);
> Bu-Yong, Olan, Lotus, Mrs. Yi Ui-Bang,Lady Yim, Mrs.
> CCH and her mother-in-law, all "doing the right thing"
> but not really making a difference ... any role models
> here??
>   One thing I DID remember - Park SulHee's unrequited
> love was Lady DaeJu - Donna T.
>
> --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately I didn't catch that one in time. A
> > friend of mine saw it and when he saw her appear on
> > AOW told me that she had a similar character in
> > another K-Drama and he told me about it, but I
> > didn't see first hand. I have seen Yellow Roses or
> > is it Yellow Handkerchief, I never get the name
> > right, but a ton of the AOW actors appear on that
> > one without all of the makeup and costumes and I
> > really enjoy trying to ID them without it. Ui-Min
> > actor Lee Duk-Hwa is a reknown artist on that one...
> > he was also cheating on his wife but that that's
> > another story.
> > (Queue clearing of the throat and looking around
> > aimlessly!)
> >   You are absolutely correct that Madam Yim (poor
> > clueless lady) certainly got Ui-Bang's attention.
> > Hey did you notice that with both Madam Yim and with
> > Muby, Ui-Bang basically had two women that he could
> > only be seen with in public at certain times or
> > circumstances? Muby was in her villa at Kwang-Hwa
> > and Yim spent most of her time in the guesthouse or
> > sneaking around with Kyun, but neither woman except
> > the time Ui-Bang was called to the palace by Empress
> > Dowager with Madam Yim, Ui-Bang was rarely seen with
> > these women in public (Muby had mitagating
> > circumstances).
> >    I think the only thing that stopped Muby,
> > ironically was Muby. She had 9 children but everyone
> > knew that not all 9 were Ui-Jong's (this was
> > discussed early on by the Empress Dowager and
> > Empress Dowager Sun as well as by Che Won and Yi Ko
> > when they finally decided to kill her children and a
> > few others characters brought it up as well when
> > they were all trying to "Race for the Emperor's
> > Seal" that she had taken). Muby was told by the Head
> > Monk at Keguk Temple (I believe it was Keguk) that
> > she had everything and that people were going to get
> > hurt if she kept going and she ignored him.
> > Repeatedly! Even Ui-Bang told her that he would take
> > care of her forever and to just leave well enough
> > alone, but she just couldn't...
> >   Sorry to say my friends and I had a rather heated
> > debate about "What would they do if they were
> > involved with a woman like Muby?"  Far as I'm
> > concerned, unfortunately, as a man you are gonna get
> > burned eventually, because she really doesn't seem
> > to know how to do things for anyone but herself
> > anymore. Too much energy would be spent in
> > tug-of-wars with her while important things go
> > unattended. I think this was one reason why Madam
> > Yim was able to pull Ui-Bang away from Muby, because
> > even Ui-Bang could tell that his original intent had
> > changed dramatically and he even argued with Muby a
> > number of times about some of the "advice" she had
> > given him leading to some of his problems.
> >   Yim may have been clueless, but she had a better
> > feel of being genuine and sincere while Muby often
> > got angry at herself whenever she actually felt any
> > kind of renuine emotions for Ui-Bang. I know I have
> > a pretty keen eye for detail at times but the
> > actress (whose name escapes me) who played Muby, did
> > a very good job at portraying Muby's inner conflicts
> > without any dialogue. I remember one argument she
> > had with Ui-Bang when she tries to convince him to
> > kill Ui-Min and he says no, then she eventually
> > jumps to the Madam Yim affair and when Ui-Bang says
> > "I don't wanna hear anymore" and leaves Muby
> > standing there, she looked on the verge of tears by
> > his lack of trust in her, but she never lets out not
> > one tear until he gets killed...
> >   And then in typical fashion she pilfers his body
> > from Kyun, DIMES OUT THE Archfiend, the entire
> > Poison Bottle Plot (which she did WITHOUT Sir Yi's
> > knowledge) and then says not one WORD to his wife
> > that "I have his body let US, not ME, let US give
> > him his last rites!"
> >   She was just too far gone by the time Ui-Bang
> > reached her and she poisoned him, which is a shame
> > for both of them.
> >   If I feel sorry for three women on the AOW its the
> > Princess So-An (I think her name was) who loved
> > Kyung Dae-Sung and never got anything but misery for
> > it. Olan who never even got the chance to even
> > experience love or a man for that matter (she seemed
> > more loyal to Ui-Bang than Muby at times and did you
> > see Muby's expressions whenever Olan would say "We
> > have to tell Sir Yi." ouch) and lastly Ui-Min's
> > First Madam, second wife Bu-Young. She was very
> > inspirational to Ui-Min and I think that losing her
> > and letting his middle and youngest son's , along
> > with his wife, constantly bully her was a damn
> > disgrace.
> >    I would have killed those two sons and begged
> > forgiveness from Buddha, then I would have banished
> > the first wife to some island for constantly
> > chopping me at the kneecaps and never telling the
> > truth whenever it mattered!
> > -_-  Let that be a lesson to all you women... Don't
> > be like Ui-Min's first wife, no man will stay with
> > you no matter how good the sex is.
> >   As for Muby and CCH she would have destroyed CCH
> > because he was and still is at the heart of it all a
> > sneaky cowardly snake. I personally believe that she
> > would have destroyed him because she would refuse to
> > share her dresses with someone who was supposedly a
> > man!
> > ^_^
> > Later
> >
> > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> > Wow - your memory is incredible! (Or is it just that
> > mine is like Swiss cheese?)  Believe  it or not,
> > I've
> > printed your recap, because when I really can't
> > remember things, it will cause it to all come back!
> > Thanks!  But, I have a little different
> > interpretation
> > of Ui-Bang and Muby:  you see, I think Muby didnt
> > have
> > the influence on him she had in the beginning: their
> > relationship had gotten to be a little stale.
> > Remember, the Dowager E. had sent her sister (not
> > daughter) Lady Yim, who loved Chung Kyun, to "make a
> > sacrifice for the empire" and  seduce Ui-Bang, and
> > he
> > had turned his affections to HER (disastrously - it
> > got him killed!) I loved Muby- she was a go-getter
> > and
> > nothing (except her relationships getting stale) was
> > going to stop her.  The difference between her and
> > Lotus was that Muby was really an important person,
> > Ui-Jong's favorite concubine, and therefore a part
> > of
> > the imperial household/family.  She had borne him 9
> > (yes NINE) children (and she kept her figure???),
> > plus, she was never a slave like Lotus and Jaunson
> > had
> > been, but was born  a peasant. Makes you wonder how
> > Muby and CCH would have faced off.  Did you ever
> > catch
> > any episodes of "So This Is Love"?  The actress who
> > played Muby was the wife of the oldest brother,
> > Sang-Bum, and she was a materialistic, mean-spirited
> > whiner [who happily reformed in the end!] - Donna T.
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >  I believe it is Episode 51 that Ui-Bang dies in.
> > (I
> > > think it starts in Episode 50, then 51 he dies at
> > > the very end and 52 they bring his body back to
> > the
> > > Imperial City... I could be off by one, but
> > anyway).
> > > At the end of the Episode prior to Ui-Bang's death
> > > Muby finally convinces him (by the way Muby would
> > > have made a great Advisor... if she wasn't always
> > > driven by greed and self-interest most of the
> > time,
> > > I think watching Muby struggle with the fact that
> > > although Sir Yi was definitely swayed and
> > influenced
> > > by her and truly loved her, she couldn't always
> > > control him and I think that was what made her
> > love
> > > him... as much as a woman like her is capable of,
> > > ironically I could relate to Muby as a character,
> > > because I could only imagine her life before the
> > > palace and then being brought in and then the
> > palace
> > > intrigues and back and fourths, she was EXTREMELY
> > > distrustful of EVERYTHING, but unfortunately we
> > > never really see what turned her into who she
> > was...
> > > or are they trying to show us
> > >  with Jaunson? Jaunson was a peasant girl as well
> > > (or was she a slave-peasant girl? as if that helps
> > > right) brought in by Choi Choong-Hoi (that sneaky
> > > BASTARD! He's NO WARRIOR!) for the sole purpose of
> > > tempting the Archfiend. He then has Lotus teach
> > her
> > > the art of Geisha (while CCH pimps out Lotus to
> > the
> > > Archfiend... PS; does Choi Choong-Hoi have ANY
> > > limits at ALL... his mind seems to be in constant
> > > Psychoanalysis of everything around him and then
> > how
> > > can he USE a person to get what he wants, he knew
> > > Lotus would do anything to help him including
> > using
> > > herself and he HAMS IT UP, but lets her sleep with
> > > Ui-Min, but if you pay attention to when she first
> > > talks to him of her "idea" he actually TELLS HER
> > in
> > > so many words; Sure we can run with the "take my
> > > wife ploy", but you're gonna fall in love with the
> > > guy cause I heard he's quite the stud...)
> > > -_-
> > > Any-way! He uses Jaunson and she loves him to
> > pieces
> >
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>    From: shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> Subject: Re: Characters you hate on AOW
>
> Good point... the list of women... really is not too good for
rolemodeling. Madam Yim was too naive. Madam Bu-Yong was too tolerant. Aran
was just psycho cat girl. Madam Yi Ui-Min was a high class stuck up whore
who got knocked up by the Governor of Surabul who dished her off on Ui-Min
(It sounds really bad when I say it that way, she was another weird woman,
but her whole situation with Ui-Min was just ALL WRONG... nobodies going
anywhere with the shotgun wedding!)
>   And you ain't LYIN when you say that the "good-girls" didn't make a
lick of spit difference (say that 10x's fast!)
>   CCH wife who looks adorable (why was he cheating on her... is my taste
off or something or do I need to get my eyes re-evaluated) and actually
took his belly-crawlin-butt back, she gets nothing but empty words from
him. Everytime she is on the show she offers him sound advice and is
genuinely concerned about him, their family, his mother and he just... "Eh
I am Choi Chong-Hon! I must go to the Geisha house and laugh psychotically
and then LOSE EVERY FIGHT I GET INTO!"
>   I have to admit I enjoy watching him because I can't wait to see when
he gets his reward!
> He BETTER GET KILLED!
> -_-  I hope he gets killed, but ironically he's still cooler than Chung
Kyun the Eye-Twitching Lecher!
>    As for the role models I think that Ui-Bangs wife was one until he
started roaming the neighborhood like the local Hound in heat. She stuck
with him through thick and thin, but he got drunk with power and another p
word and lost his mind...
>   Let this be a lesson to all you men... Keep it in your pants! The life
you save could be your own!
>   I think the AOW really shows how these warriors had good women but no
good sense and eventually they ended up failing and falling flat on there
faces. I think the real key here is that the "Good Girls" stuck with Bad
Guys too long or didn't put there foot down and say enough is enough...
Dealing with Bad Girls is tough to do but not impossible but it can be
really draining because you have to be somewhat of a "policeman" because
you know she's looking to take an inch and make a mile.
>   No I think the Good Girls should have spoken up for themselves more and
compared themselves to their Evil Counterparts in front of their men... It
would have been very funny to see. I think only Ui-Bang's wife really tried
to call him on the carpet, but she just wasn't forceful enough to get right
up in his face. Even though it was a show I was disappointed with Ui-Bangs
callous disregard for a woman that rode with him for years and years and
years. I guess what was worse was whenever he would come to his senses then
Muby or Madam Yim would scurry into the picture or some matter of state
would happen and then he was whipped again.
>   Lady DaeJu... I would love to know the name of the actress who
portrayed her she was very pretty and I was really convinced of how torn
she was over her loyalty to her brother and her feelings for an enemy
general. If memory serves she became a monk and ultimately Park Sulhee lost
his life in Dawn of the Empire.
>   Another tragic heroine in Emperor Wang Guhn was Goongyae's Empress...
Wang Guhn lamented privately about losing her to Goongyae but never once
confessed anything directly to her. There were times when I was watching
that one where I had to say this guy was a better man than me, especially
when he let her get executed...
> -_-
>   The bad part was that Wang Guhn called his 2nd wife by the Empresses
name whenever he was stressed and she knew that something was up but she
never spoke up and told him that he couldn't just leave her in the palace
for Goongyae to eventually kill, but she never went that far. I remember
when she tried to talk with Guhn about her and he flipped out and then she
went into the palace with the 1st wife and tried to sneak in a few hints to
the Empress that she knew about the fact that she and Guhn were supposed to
be together...
>    It was very hard to watch something that was obviously going to end
badly, but I couldn't stand the fact that he never told her (The Empress)
that he felt bad for being forced to give her up... and then to have to
watch her die...
>   Not Cool.
>   I guess while I'm at it who was the actress who portrayed Goongyae's
Empress?
>
>
>
> Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> I've always thought that one of the major themes of
> AOW is the old motto "cherchez la femme" [if you're
> looking for trouble,that is] Your comments seem to
> agree!... don't know what the real history says ( I
> have Professor Shultz's book, "Generals and Scholars"
> but he never mentions any of the women except for
> Dowager Empress - and he's apparently the only one in
> English).  But, Muby, Aran, Jaunson, and Mrs. Yi
> Ui-Min... all driven by blind ambition (Bad Girls);
> Bu-Yong, Olan, Lotus, Mrs. Yi Ui-Bang,Lady Yim, Mrs.
> CCH and her mother-in-law, all "doing the right thing"
> but not really making a difference ... any role models
> here??
>   One thing I DID remember - Park SulHee's unrequited
> love was Lady DaeJu - Donna T.
>
> --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately I didn't catch that one in time. A
> > friend of mine saw it and when he saw her appear on
> > AOW told me that she had a similar character in
> > another K-Drama and he told me about it, but I
> > didn't see first hand. I have seen Yellow Roses or
> > is it Yellow Handkerchief, I never get the name
> > right, but a ton of the AOW actors appear on that
> > one without all of the makeup and costumes and I
> > really enjoy trying to ID them without it. Ui-Min
> > actor Lee Duk-Hwa is a reknown artist on that one...
> > he was also cheating on his wife but that that's
> > another story.
> > (Queue clearing of the throat and looking around
> > aimlessly!)
> >   You are absolutely correct that Madam Yim (poor
> > clueless lady) certainly got Ui-Bang's attention.
> > Hey did you notice that with both Madam Yim and with
> > Muby, Ui-Bang basically had two women that he could
> > only be seen with in public at certain times or
> > circumstances? Muby was in her villa at Kwang-Hwa
> > and Yim spent most of her time in the guesthouse or
> > sneaking around with Kyun, but neither woman except
> > the time Ui-Bang was called to the palace by Empress
> > Dowager with Madam Yim, Ui-Bang was rarely seen with
> > these women in public (Muby had mitagating
> > circumstances).
> >    I think the only thing that stopped Muby,
> > ironically was Muby. She had 9 children but everyone
> > knew that not all 9 were Ui-Jong's (this was
> > discussed early on by the Empress Dowager and
> > Empress Dowager Sun as well as by Che Won and Yi Ko
> > when they finally decided to kill her children and a
> > few others characters brought it up as well when
> > they were all trying to "Race for the Emperor's
> > Seal" that she had taken). Muby was told by the Head
> > Monk at Keguk Temple (I believe it was Keguk) that
> > she had everything and that people were going to get
> > hurt if she kept going and she ignored him.
> > Repeatedly! Even Ui-Bang told her that he would take
> > care of her forever and to just leave well enough
> > alone, but she just couldn't...
> >   Sorry to say my friends and I had a rather heated
> > debate about "What would they do if they were
> > involved with a woman like Muby?"  Far as I'm
> > concerned, unfortunately, as a man you are gonna get
> > burned eventually, because she really doesn't seem
> > to know how to do things for anyone but herself
> > anymore. Too much energy would be spent in
> > tug-of-wars with her while important things go
> > unattended. I think this was one reason why Madam
> > Yim was able to pull Ui-Bang away from Muby, because
> > even Ui-Bang could tell that his original intent had
> > changed dramatically and he even argued with Muby a
> > number of times about some of the "advice" she had
> > given him leading to some of his problems.
> >   Yim may have been clueless, but she had a better
> > feel of being genuine and sincere while Muby often
> > got angry at herself whenever she actually felt any
> > kind of renuine emotions for Ui-Bang. I know I have
> > a pretty keen eye for detail at times but the
> > actress (whose name escapes me) who played Muby, did
> > a very good job at portraying Muby's inner conflicts
> > without any dialogue. I remember one argument she
> > had with Ui-Bang when she tries to convince him to
> > kill Ui-Min and he says no, then she eventually
> > jumps to the Madam Yim affair and when Ui-Bang says
> > "I don't wanna hear anymore" and leaves Muby
> > standing there, she looked on the verge of tears by
> > his lack of trust in her, but she never lets out not
> > one tear until he gets killed...
> >   And then in typical fashion she pilfers his body
> > from Kyun, DIMES OUT THE Archfiend, the entire
> > Poison Bottle Plot (which she did WITHOUT Sir Yi's
> > knowledge) and then says not one WORD to his wife
> > that "I have his body let US, not ME, let US give
> > him his last rites!"
> >   She was just too far gone by the time Ui-Bang
> > reached her and she poisoned him, which is a shame
> > for both of them.
> >   If I feel sorry for three women on the AOW its the
> > Princess So-An (I think her name was) who loved
> > Kyung Dae-Sung and never got anything but misery for
> > it. Olan who never even got the chance to even
> > experience love or a man for that matter (she seemed
> > more loyal to Ui-Bang than Muby at times and did you
> > see Muby's expressions whenever Olan would say "We
> > have to tell Sir Yi." ouch) and lastly Ui-Min's
> > First Madam, second wife Bu-Young. She was very
> > inspirational to Ui-Min and I think that losing her
> > and letting his middle and youngest son's , along
> > with his wife, constantly bully her was a damn
> > disgrace.
> >    I would have killed those two sons and begged
> > forgiveness from Buddha, then I would have banished
> > the first wife to some island for constantly
> > chopping me at the kneecaps and never telling the
> > truth whenever it mattered!
> > -_-  Let that be a lesson to all you women... Don't
> > be like Ui-Min's first wife, no man will stay with
> > you no matter how good the sex is.
> >   As for Muby and CCH she would have destroyed CCH
> > because he was and still is at the heart of it all a
> > sneaky cowardly snake. I personally believe that she
> > would have destroyed him because she would refuse to
> > share her dresses with someone who was supposedly a
> > man!
> > ^_^
> > Later
> >
> > Donna Thomas <drtwmt@...> wrote:
> > Wow - your memory is incredible! (Or is it just that
> > mine is like Swiss cheese?)  Believe  it or not,
> > I've
> > printed your recap, because when I really can't
> > remember things, it will cause it to all come back!
> > Thanks!  But, I have a little different
> > interpretation
> > of Ui-Bang and Muby:  you see, I think Muby didnt
> > have
> > the influence on him she had in the beginning: their
> > relationship had gotten to be a little stale.
> > Remember, the Dowager E. had sent her sister (not
> > daughter) Lady Yim, who loved Chung Kyun, to "make a
> > sacrifice for the empire" and  seduce Ui-Bang, and
> > he
> > had turned his affections to HER (disastrously - it
> > got him killed!) I loved Muby- she was a go-getter
> > and
> > nothing (except her relationships getting stale) was
> > going to stop her.  The difference between her and
> > Lotus was that Muby was really an important person,
> > Ui-Jong's favorite concubine, and therefore a part
> > of
> > the imperial household/family.  She had borne him 9
> > (yes NINE) children (and she kept her figure???),
> > plus, she was never a slave like Lotus and Jaunson
> > had
> > been, but was born  a peasant. Makes you wonder how
> > Muby and CCH would have faced off.  Did you ever
> > catch
> > any episodes of "So This Is Love"?  The actress who
> > played Muby was the wife of the oldest brother,
> > Sang-Bum, and she was a materialistic, mean-spirited
> > whiner [who happily reformed in the end!] - Donna T.
> >
> > --- shawn williams <geesehoward4life@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >  I believe it is Episode 51 that Ui-Bang dies in.
> > (I
> > > think it starts in Episode 50, then 51 he dies at
> > > the very end and 52 they bring his body back to
> > the
> > > Imperial City... I could be off by one, but
> > anyway).
> > > At the end of the Episode prior to Ui-Bang's death
> > > Muby finally convinces him (by the way Muby would
> > > have made a great Advisor... if she wasn't always
> > > driven by greed and self-interest most of the
> > time,
> > > I think watching Muby struggle with the fact that
> > > although Sir Yi was definitely swayed and
> > influenced
> > > by her and truly loved her, she couldn't always
> > > control him and I think that was what made her
> > love
> > > him... as much as a woman like her is capable of,
> > > ironically I could relate to Muby as a character,
> > > because I could only imagine her life before the
> > > palace and then being brought in and then the
> > palace
> > > intrigues and back and fourths, she was EXTREMELY
> > > distrustful of EVERYTHING, but unfortunately we
> > > never really see what turned her into who she
> > was...
> > > or are they trying to show us
> > >  with Jaunson? Jaunson was a peasant girl as well
> > > (or was she a slave-peasant girl? as if that helps
> > > right) brought in by Choi Choong-Hoi (that sneaky
> > > BASTARD! He's NO WARRIOR!) for the sole purpose of
> > > tempting the Archfiend. He then has Lotus teach
> > her
> > > the art of Geisha (while CCH pimps out Lotus to
> > the
> > > Archfiend... PS; does Choi Choong-Hoi have ANY
> > > limits at ALL... his mind seems to be in constant
> > > Psychoanalysis of everything around him and then
> > how
> > > can he USE a person to get what he wants, he knew
> > > Lotus would do anything to help him including
> > using
> > > herself and he HAMS IT UP, but lets her sleep with
> > > Ui-Min, but if you pay attention to when she first
> > > talks to him of her "idea" he actually TELLS HER
> > in
> > > so many words; Sure we can run with the "take my
> > > wife ploy", but you're gonna fall in love with the
> > > guy cause I heard he's quite the stud...)
> > > -_-
> > > Any-way! He uses Jaunson and she loves him to
> > pieces
> >
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to reconsider this proposition and vote against cutting funds for
Public Broadcasting. These budget cuts if approved could mean the end
of Public Broadcasting within a few years. How do you plan on voting
with regards to this issue?

(Please feel free to add any personal stories or experiences you have
had with Public Television and Radio and how it benefits Americans to
have public broadcasting available to each and every citizen)

Thank you for your time.

2. Direct Attack on Federal Funding for Public Broadcasting

House appropriators have proposed more than $220 million in crippling
funding cuts for public broadcasting in the new fiscal year. Proposed
funding cuts as severe as these – representing 45% of federal
financial support – are nothing less than a direct attack on the
future of public television and radio. The proposed cuts constitute
at least malicious wounding, if not the outright attempted murder of
public broadcasting in America.

3. The Proposed Cuts
Proposed Rescission of  FY 2006 CSG Funds: The most draconian cut
proposed by House appropriators is the rescission of $100 million
–
or 25% – of the appropriation already made in 2004 to the
Corporation
for Public Broadcasting for FY 2006.

Proposed Elimination of the Ready To Learn Program: In perhaps its
most punitive move, House appropriators proposed eliminating all
funding for Ready To Learn, a successful educational program that
serves tens of millions of American kids. Ready To Learn consistently
receives strong bipartisan support – even the budget submitted by
the
Bush Administration recommended funding it at $23 million.

Even Deeper Funding Cuts Proposed: House appropriators continued
their attack by proposing no new funding for digital infrastructure
and interconnection programs, which combined received $79 million
last year.

PTFP Under Attack: House appropriators proposed eliminating the
Public Telecommunications Facilities Program (PTFP) – a cut of
another $21 million. PTFP, which has supported public broadcasting
for 40 years, plays an indispensable role in providing matching money
for infrastructure, which in turn delivers innovative new programs
and services.

4. Contact Information for Senators and Representatives in PA, DE and
NJ

Senator Arlen Specter
  Republican
  PA
  215-597-7200
  202-224-4254
  specter.senate.gov

Senator Rick Santorum
  Republican
  PA
  215-864-6900
  202-224-6324
  santorum.senate.gov

Rep.Robert A.Brady
  Democrat
  PA
  215-389-4627
  202-225-4731
  www.house.gov/robertbrady

Rep.Chaka Fattah
  Democrat
  PA
  215-387-6404
  202-225-4001
  www.house.gov/fattah

Rep. Philip S.English
  Republican
  PA
  814-456-6132
  202-225-5406
  www.house.gov/english

Rep. Melissa A. Hart
  Republican
  PA
  412-492-0161
  202-225-2565
  hart.house.gov

Rep. John E.Peterson
  Republican
  PA
  814-238-1776
  202-225-5121
  www.house.gov/johnpeterson

Rep. Jim Gerlach
  Republican
  PA
  610-594-1415
  202-225-4315
  www.house.gov/gerlach

Rep.Curt Weldon
  Republican
  PA
  610-259-0700
  202-225-2011
  www.house.gov/curtweldon

Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick
  Republican
  PA
  215-752-7711
  202-225-4276
  www.house.gov/fitzpatrick

Rep. Bill Schuster
  Republican
  PA
  814-696-6318
  202-225-2431
  www.house.gov/shuster

Rep. Don Sherwood
  Republican
  PA
  570-585-8190
  202-225-3731
  www.house.gov/sherwood

Rep.Paul E.Kanjorski
  Democrat
  PA
  570-825-2200
  202-225-6511
  kanjorski.house.gov

Rep. John P.Murtha
  Democrat
  PA
  814-535-2642
  202-225-2065
  www.house.gov/murtha

Rep. Allyson Y.Schwartz
  Democrat
  PA
  215-335-3355
  202-225-6111
  www.house.gov/schwartz

Rep. Mike Doyle
  Democrat
  PA
  412-241-6055
  202-225-2135
  www.house.gov/doyle

Rep. Charles W.Dent
  Republican
  PA
  610-861-9734
  202-225-6411
  www.house.gov/dent

Rep. Joseph R.Pitts
  Republican
  PA
  717-393-0667
  202-225-2411
  www.house.gov/pitts

Rep. Tim Holden
  Democrat
  PA
  717-234-5904
  202-225-5546
  www.holden.house.gov

Rep. Timothy F.Murphy
  Republican
  PA
  412-344-5583
  202-225-2301
  murphy.house.gov

Rep. Todd R.Platts
  Republican
  PA
  717-600-1919
  202-225-5836
  www.house.gov/platts

Senator Jon S. Corzine
  Democrat
  NJ
  973-645-3030
  202-224-4744
  corzine.senate.gov

Senator Frank R. Lautenberg
  Democrat
  NJ
  973-639-8700
  202-224-3224
  lautenberg.senate.gov

Rep. Robert E.Andrews
  Democrat
  NJ
  856-546-5100
  202-225-6501
  www.house.gov/andrews

Rep. Frank A. LoBiondo
  Republican
  NJ
  609-625-5008
  202-225-6572
  www.house.gov/lobiondo

Rep. Jim Saxton
  Republican
  NJ
  609-261-5800
  202-225-4765
  www.house.gov/saxton

Rep. Christopher H.Smith
  Republican
  NJ
  609-585-7878
  202-225-3765
  www.house.gov/chrissmith

Rep. Scott Garrett
  Republican
  NJ
  201-712-0330
  202-225-4465
  www.house.gov/garrett

Rep. Frank Pallone Jr.
  Democrat
  NJ
  732-571-1140
  202-225-4671
  www.house.gov/pallone

Rep. Michael A.Ferguson
  Republican
  NJ
  908-757-7835
  202-225-5361
  www.house.gov/ferguson

Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr.
  Democrat
  NJ
  973-523-5152
  202-225-5751
  pascrell.house.gov

Rep. Steven R Rothman
  Democrat
  NJ
  201-646-0808
  202-225-5061
  rothman.house.gov

Rep. Donald M.Payne
  Democrat
  NJ
  973-645-3213
  202-225-3436
  www.house.gov/payne

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen
  Republican
  NJ
  973-984-0711
  202-225-5034
  frelinghuysen.house.gov

Rep. Rush Holt
  Democrat
  NJ
  609-750-9365
  202-225-5801
  holt.house.gov

Rep. RobertMenendez
  Democrat
  NJ
  201-222-2828
  202-225-7919
  menendez.house.gov

Senator Joseph R.Biden, Jr.
  Democrat
  DE
  302-573-6345
  202-224-5042
  biden.senate.gov

Senator Thomas A. Carper
  Democrat
  DE
  302-674-3308
  202-224-2441
  carper.senate.gov

Rep. Michael A.Castle
  Democrat
  DE
  302-428-1902
  202-225-4165
  www.house.gov.castle

If you do not see your Senators name on this list please visit
http://www.senate.gov/
If you do not see your Representatives name on this list please visit
http://www.house.gov/

5. News Article Links on the Federal Budget Cuts to Public
Broadcasting
http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/public_broadcasting_targeted_by_house
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-
0506120346jun12,1,3139914.column?coll=chi-news-col
http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=2971DD08-65BC-4554-9A61-
38F495B85453
http://www.apts.org/

Thank you for your love and support of Public Broadcasting!

It appears that this administration is lashing out at Public Radio and TV for
not airing its agenda's in a "corporate" fashion. I was wondering when they
would start taking shots at those who have not told their various stories from
"the proper point of view" (Bush's first election, the so-called Convicted
Felons List in Florida from the first election, Bush Family ties to the Bin
Laden Family, 9/11 Disclosure or Censorship and of course the "Liberation of
Iraq" while neighborhoods in our own countries are just as bad as the Insurgency
in Iraq).
    One reason why I have really enjoyed Age of Warriors, Dawn of the Empire and
Emperor Wang Guhn is because here in this country their are a lot of
similarities to them but without the exact same culture, but they are very
close.
   George Bush is very much like CCH.
Well I will make my calls and do everything that I can. Bush speaks of a Global
World Community, but I wonder what would happen if a National Network like NBC,
ABC or CBS aired Emperor Wang Guhn at 8 or 9pm. I wonder if mainstream society
would be interested enough to read the subtitles and enjoy it for what it is...
good entertainment with an actual purpose. I wonder how it would play out?
   Either way I will send this email to everyone I know and we will do everything
we can. I must admit that the thought of a diminished PBS is very disturbing.
Especially considering that the Network news stations are now controlled by
private companies (for the most part) with their own political ties,
affiliations and agenda's...
   With that kind of ominous backdrop... who needs Goongyae with what we already
have going on.


grimsd1 <grimsd1@...> wrote:
To all Public Broadcasting Viewers, Members and Friends:

The future of Public Television and Radio is at stake. If you love
the unique programming brought to you through Public Television and
Radio, I urge you to read this email fully.

The Federal Government is proposing and will soon be voting on
cutting back funding to ALL Public Broadcasting. If you value quality
educational programming, independent productions, being able to gain
a balanced perspective on global issues, viewing programs that are
not influenced by any special interest groups and more – Then I
strongly urge you to take action and call your local Senators and
Representatives opposing the federal budget cuts to Public
Broadcasting. The Federal budget cuts would cripple the ability of
Public Television and Radio Stations to bring you the programs you
love so much. If you feel as strongly as we do, please forward this
email to your friends, family and colleagues and urge them to call
their Senators and Representatives as well.

Time is of the essence. Please act now!

1.Take Action!

Every American who supports public television must join together to
fight back. The political strength of local public television and
radio stations lies in the support we receive from communities across
the nation. In this time of danger, we need our supporters mobilized.

Call your Members of Congress to express your support for Public
Broadcasting – and find out where they stand on the proposed
budget.

Congress will respect your personal call much more than anything else
we can do. Public broadcasting needs you to join the fight – our
future depends upon it.

Supporters of public broadcasting are extremely disappointed that
House appropriators have proposed more than $220 million in crippling
funding cuts for public broadcasting in the new fiscal year. Proposed
funding cuts as severe as these – representing 45% of federal
financial support – are nothing less than a direct attack on the
future of public television and radio. Because of the urgent nature
of this matter, we urge you to contact your Member of Congress
directly to convey your extreme disappointment.

Make Your Feelings Clear on the Proposed 45% Funding Cuts:

· Support action to restore level funding for public broadcasting.

· Oppose the $100 million rescission of funds to the Corporation
for
Public Broadcasting.

· Oppose the elimination of the highly successful Ready To Learn
Program.

· Oppose the elimination of the highly successful PTFP program.

· Oppose the elimination of funding for the digital conversion
program – a federal mandate.

· Oppose the elimination of funding for the satellite
interconnection
program for programming distribution to local stations.

These Funding Cuts Will Severely Impact Public Television and Radio
Stations

· These funding cuts are so drastic that they will severely impact
every public television and radio station's ability to provide
educational, cultural and informational programming in local
communities and throughout the nation.

· The recommended 25% cut in Community Service Grants funding
would
result in [station] receiving $______ less than last year, plus the
loss of $______ in Ready To Learn funds for our educational outreach
programs for disadvantaged children.

· Total cuts of $_______ almost certainly would cause [station] to
cancel its Ready To Learn programs and slash local programming
production.

Please ask your Member of Congress to commit to supporting any
amendments or other legislative remedies to provide level funding for
all public broadcasting programs.

Suggested script for phone calls to Senators and Representatives:

Hello,  my name is ______________ and I am from _______________. I am
calling to express my extreme dissatisfaction with the proposed
budget cuts to Public Broadcasting. I would like to strongly urge you
to reconsider this proposition and vote against cutting funds for
Public Broadcasting. These budget cuts if approved could mean the end
of Public Broadcasting within a few years. How do you plan on voting
with regards to this issue?

(Please feel free to add any personal stories or experiences you have
had with Public Television and Radio and how it benefits Americans to
have public broadcasting available to each and every citizen)

Thank you for your time.

2. Direct Attack on Federal Funding for Public Broadcasting

House appropriators have proposed more than $220 million in crippling
funding cuts for public broadcasting in the new fiscal year. Proposed
funding cuts as severe as these – representing 45% of federal
financial support – are nothing less than a direct attack on the
future of public television and radio. The proposed cuts constitute
at least malicious wounding, if not the outright attempted murder of
public broadcasting in America.

3. The Proposed Cuts
Proposed Rescission of  FY 2006 CSG Funds: The most draconian cut
proposed by House appropriators is the rescission of $100 million
–
or 25% – of the appropriation already made in 2004 to the
Corporation
for Public Broadcasting for FY 2006.

Proposed Elimination of the Ready To Learn Program: In perhaps its
most punitive move, House appropriators proposed eliminating all
funding for Ready To Learn, a successful educational program that
serves tens of millions of American kids. Ready To Learn consistently
receives strong bipartisan support – even the budget submitted by
the
Bush Administration recommended funding it at $23 million.

Even Deeper Funding Cuts Proposed: House appropriators continued
their attack by proposing no new funding for digital infrastructure
and interconnection programs, which combined received $79 million
last year.

PTFP Under Attack: House appropriators proposed eliminating the
Public Telecommunications Facilities Program (PTFP) – a cut of
another $21 million. PTFP, which has supported public broadcasting
for 40 years, plays an indispensable role in providing matching money
for infrastructure, which in turn delivers innovative new programs
and services.

4. Contact Information for Senators and Representatives in PA, DE and
NJ

Senator Arlen Specter
Republican
PA
215-597-7200
202-224-4254
specter.senate.gov

Senator Rick Santorum
Republican
PA
215-864-6900
202-224-6324
santorum.senate.gov

Rep.Robert A.Brady
Democrat
PA
215-389-4627
202-225-4731
www.house.gov/robertbrady

Rep.Chaka Fattah
Democrat
PA
215-387-6404
202-225-4001
www.house.gov/fattah

Rep. Philip S.English
Republican
PA
814-456-6132
202-225-5406
www.house.gov/english

Rep. Melissa A. Hart
Republican
PA
412-492-0161
202-225-2565
hart.house.gov

Rep. John E.Peterson
Republican
PA
814-238-1776
202-225-5121
www.house.gov/johnpeterson

Rep. Jim Gerlach
Republican
PA
610-594-1415
202-225-4315
www.house.gov/gerlach

Rep.Curt Weldon
Republican
PA
610-259-0700
202-225-2011
www.house.gov/curtweldon

Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick
Republican
PA
215-752-7711
202-225-4276
www.house.gov/fitzpatrick

Rep. Bill Schuster
Republican
PA
814-696-6318
202-225-2431
www.house.gov/shuster

Rep. Don Sherwood
Republican
PA
570-585-8190
202-225-3731
www.house.gov/sherwood

Rep.Paul E.Kanjorski
Democrat
PA
570-825-2200
202-225-6511
kanjorski.house.gov

Rep. John P.Murtha
Democrat
PA
814-535-2642
202-225-2065
www.house.gov/murtha

Rep. Allyson Y.Schwartz
Democrat
PA
215-335-3355
202-225-6111
www.house.gov/schwartz

Rep. Mike Doyle
Democrat
PA
412-241-6055
202-225-2135
www.house.gov/doyle

Rep. Charles W.Dent
Republican
PA
610-861-9734
202-225-6411
www.house.gov/dent

Rep. Joseph R.Pitts
Republican
PA
717-393-0667
202-225-2411
www.house.gov/pitts

Rep. Tim Holden
Democrat
PA
717-234-5904
202-225-5546
www.holden.house.gov

Rep. Timothy F.Murphy
Republican
PA
412-344-5583
202-225-2301
murphy.house.gov

Rep. Todd R.Platts
Republican
PA
717-600-1919
202-225-5836
www.house.gov/platts

Senator Jon S. Corzine
Democrat
NJ
973-645-3030
202-224-4744
corzine.senate.gov

Senator Frank R. Lautenberg
Democrat
NJ
973-639-8700
202-224-3224
lautenberg.senate.gov

Rep. Robert E.Andrews
Democrat
NJ
856-546-5100
202-225-6501
www.house.gov/andrews

Rep. Frank A. LoBiondo
Republican
NJ
609-625-5008
202-225-6572
www.house.gov/lobiondo

Rep. Jim Saxton
Republican
NJ
609-261-5800
202-225-4765
www.house.gov/saxton

Rep. Christopher H.Smith
Republican
NJ
609-585-7878
202-225-3765
www.house.gov/chrissmith

Rep. Scott Garrett
Republican
NJ
201-712-0330
202-225-4465
www.house.gov/garrett

Rep. Frank Pallone Jr.
Democrat
NJ
732-571-1140
202-225-4671
www.house.gov/pallone

Rep. Michael A.Ferguson
Republican
NJ
908-757-7835
202-225-5361
www.house.gov/ferguson

Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr.
Democrat
NJ
973-523-5152
202-225-5751
pascrell.house.gov

Rep. Steven R Rothman
Democrat
NJ
201-646-0808
202-225-5061
rothman.house.gov

Rep. Donald M.Payne
Democrat
NJ
973-645-3213
202-225-3436
www.house.gov/payne

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen
Republican
NJ
973-984-0711
202-225-5034
frelinghuysen.house.gov

Rep. Rush Holt
Democrat
NJ
609-750-9365
202-225-5801
holt.house.gov

Rep. RobertMenendez
Democrat
NJ
201-222-2828
202-225-7919
menendez.house.gov

Senator Joseph R.Biden, Jr.
Democrat
DE
302-573-6345
202-224-5042
biden.senate.gov

Senator Thomas A. Carper
Democrat
DE
302-674-3308
202-224-2441
carper.senate.gov

Rep. Michael A.Castle
Democrat
DE
302-428-1902
202-225-4165
www.house.gov.castle

If you do not see your Senators name on this list please visit
http://www.senate.gov/
If you do not see your Representatives name on this list please visit
http://www.house.gov/

5. News Article Links on the Federal Budget Cuts to Public
Broadcasting
http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/public_broadcasting_targeted_by_house
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-
0506120346jun12,1,3139914.column?coll=chi-news-col
http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=2971DD08-65BC-4554-9A61-
38F495B85453
http://www.apts.org/

Thank you for your love and support of Public Broadcasting!












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Shawn wrote:
..."Liberation of Iraq"

I read somewhere that the Pentagon's
original name was...

"Operation Iraqi Liberation"

but, when they looked at it,
I mean really looked at it...
they changed name

Many points I agree with, but The Republicans have had their sights set on PBS
and the CPB in general since the 1980's. So this isn't new. NPR only receives
about 1% and PBS about 10% of their funding from the CPB. This is why they've
had to go into hyper-beg mode for years. Having pledge drives year round instead
of once/twice a year.
If they get their way PBS & NPR as well will disapear.
Bob

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It appears that this administration is lashing out at Public Radio and TV for
not airing its agenda's in a "corporate" fashion. I was wondering when they
would start taking shots at those who have not told their various stories from
"the proper point of view"



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I'm really enjoying this series.
I'll try not to do any spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But just in case; read no further





This story started out with that standard K-Drama see-saw thing one day the main
characters are on top of the world the next day in they're knee deep in a pile
of smeg. Of course these events are cleverly set into cliff-hanger mode. This
stabilizes about 7 or 8 episodes in though.

Of course there's the She loves him but there's no way for them to ever connect
because of artificial barriers and of course someone else loves her, but her
heart is taken by another etc...

Emperor of the Sea is less the serious Historical Drama in the mold of AOW & WG
and more like the regular 16 - 24 ep K-dramas. It's more centered on the
plot/counterplot thing than the actual history. I'm a bit more than a third of
the way through so I'll reserve total judgement. The anachronistic rock music
with wonderfully singing guitar work is way out of place for my blood - This
bothered me also in Damo. But -- and this is important, at least we don't have
the flying people all over this story. I dislike flicks with flying people. Mind
you a little kick off the roof for momentum is ok and pushing off the tops of
trees for a bit doesn't need a complete suspension of belief; this show has no
overt flyers (well - so far. But Damo did).

That being said the plot, character development and acting is superb as well as
the great swordplay action (minus the flying people) and dramatic scenery.
Buy it or DL it now!

Bob





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Sub-Primitive:
has everyone gone tribal?
http://www.sub-primitive.150m.com/

I have seen 26 episodes of Emperor of the Sea.   It is fantastic!

Sub-Primitive@... wrote:I'm really enjoying this series.
I'll try not to do any spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But just in case; read no further





This story started out with that standard K-Drama see-saw thing one day the main
characters are on top of the world the next day in they're knee deep in a pile
of smeg. Of course these events are cleverly set into cliff-hanger mode. This
stabilizes about 7 or 8 episodes in though.

Of course there's the She loves him but there's no way for them to ever connect
because of artificial barriers and of course someone else loves her, but her
heart is taken by another etc...

Emperor of the Sea is less the serious Historical Drama in the mold of AOW & WG
and more like the regular 16 - 24 ep K-dramas. It's more centered on the
plot/counterplot thing than the actual history. I'm a bit more than a third of
the way through so I'll reserve total judgement. The anachronistic rock music
with wonderfully singing guitar work is way out of place for my blood - This
bothered me also in Damo. But -- and this is important, at least we don't have
the flying people all over this story. I dislike flicks with flying people. Mind
you a little kick off the roof for momentum is ok and pushing off the tops of
trees for a bit doesn't need a complete suspension of belief; this show has no
overt flyers (well - so far. But Damo did).

That being said the plot, character development and acting is superb as well as
the great swordplay action (minus the flying people) and dramatic scenery.
Buy it or DL it now!

Bob





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Hi, We're watching it in L.A. - how many episodes is this series?

Sub-Primitive@... wrote:I'm really enjoying this series.
I'll try not to do any spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But just in case; read no further





This story started out with that standard K-Drama see-saw thing one day the main
characters are on top of the world the next day in they're knee deep in a pile
of smeg. Of course these events are cleverly set into cliff-hanger mode. This
stabilizes about 7 or 8 episodes in though.

Of course there's the She loves him but there's no way for them to ever connect
because of artificial barriers and of course someone else loves her, but her
heart is taken by another etc...

Emperor of the Sea is less the serious Historical Drama in the mold of AOW & WG
and more like the regular 16 - 24 ep K-dramas. It's more centered on the
plot/counterplot thing than the actual history. I'm a bit more than a third of
the way through so I'll reserve total judgement. The anachronistic rock music
with wonderfully singing guitar work is way out of place for my blood - This
bothered me also in Damo. But -- and this is important, at least we don't have
the flying people all over this story. I dislike flicks with flying people. Mind
you a little kick off the roof for momentum is ok and pushing off the tops of
trees for a bit doesn't need a complete suspension of belief; this show has no
overt flyers (well - so far. But Damo did).

That being said the plot, character development and acting is superb as well as
the great swordplay action (minus the flying people) and dramatic scenery.
Buy it or DL it now!

Bob





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There are 50 episodes.  I have seen up to episode 29 and am on the edge of my
seat waiting for the rest.

handi maniac <handimaniac@...> wrote:Hi, We're watching it in L.A. - how
many episodes is this series?

Sub-Primitive@... wrote:I'm really enjoying this series.
I'll try not to do any spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But just in case; read no further





This story started out with that standard K-Drama see-saw thing one day the main
characters are on top of the world the next day in they're knee deep in a pile
of smeg. Of course these events are cleverly set into cliff-hanger mode. This
stabilizes about 7 or 8 episodes in though.

Of course there's the She loves him but there's no way for them to ever connect
because of artificial barriers and of course someone else loves her, but her
heart is taken by another etc...

Emperor of the Sea is less the serious Historical Drama in the mold of AOW & WG
and more like the regular 16 - 24 ep K-dramas. It's more centered on the
plot/counterplot thing than the actual history. I'm a bit more than a third of
the way through so I'll reserve total judgement. The anachronistic rock music
with wonderfully singing guitar work is way out of place for my blood - This
bothered me also in Damo. But -- and this is important, at least we don't have
the flying people all over this story. I dislike flicks with flying people. Mind
you a little kick off the roof for momentum is ok and pushing off the tops of
trees for a bit doesn't need a complete suspension of belief; this show has no
overt flyers (well - so far. But Damo did).

That being said the plot, character development and acting is superb as well as
the great swordplay action (minus the flying people) and dramatic scenery.
Buy it or DL it now!

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what do you think of lady Jami when she makes those eyes!

Theresa Landis <mtlandis@...> wrote:There are 50 episodes.  I have seen up
to episode 29 and am on the edge of my seat waiting for the rest.

handi maniac <handimaniac@...> wrote:Hi, We're watching it in L.A. - how
many episodes is this series?

Sub-Primitive@... wrote:I'm really enjoying this series.
I'll try not to do any spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But just in case; read no further





This story started out with that standard K-Drama see-saw thing one day the main
characters are on top of the world the next day in they're knee deep in a pile
of smeg. Of course these events are cleverly set into cliff-hanger mode. This
stabilizes about 7 or 8 episodes in though.

Of course there's the She loves him but there's no way for them to ever connect
because of artificial barriers and of course someone else loves her, but her
heart is taken by another etc...

Emperor of the Sea is less the serious Historical Drama in the mold of AOW & WG
and more like the regular 16 - 24 ep K-dramas. It's more centered on the
plot/counterplot thing than the actual history. I'm a bit more than a third of
the way through so I'll reserve total judgement. The anachronistic rock music
with wonderfully singing guitar work is way out of place for my blood - This
bothered me also in Damo. But -- and this is important, at least we don't have
the flying people all over this story. I dislike flicks with flying people. Mind
you a little kick off the roof for momentum is ok and pushing off the tops of
trees for a bit doesn't need a complete suspension of belief; this show has no
overt flyers (well - so far. But Damo did).

That being said the plot, character development and acting is superb as well as
the great swordplay action (minus the flying people) and dramatic scenery.
Buy it or DL it now!

Bob





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LOL Well if I was a man I might be turned on.  However, I find her to be truly
evil and I really wish someone would give her what she deserves.

Incidentally, she has been the topic of conversation on the other board....

http://koreandramas.bishsite.com/topic/19/

(You don't need to be a member to read the posts but I believe you might need to
sign up to see the pics).

handi maniac <handimaniac@...> wrote:
what do you think of lady Jami when she makes those eyes!

Theresa Landis <mtlandis@...> wrote:There are 50 episodes.  I have seen up
to episode 29 and am on the edge of my seat waiting for the rest.

handi maniac <handimaniac@...> wrote:Hi, We're watching it in L.A. - how
many episodes is this series?

Sub-Primitive@... wrote:I'm really enjoying this series.
I'll try not to do any spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But just in case; read no further





This story started out with that standard K-Drama see-saw thing one day the main
characters are on top of the world the next day in they're knee deep in a pile
of smeg. Of course these events are cleverly set into cliff-hanger mode. This
stabilizes about 7 or 8 episodes in though.

Of course there's the She loves him but there's no way for them to ever connect
because of artificial barriers and of course someone else loves her, but her
heart is taken by another etc...

Emperor of the Sea is less the serious Historical Drama in the mold of AOW & WG
and more like the regular 16 - 24 ep K-dramas. It's more centered on the
plot/counterplot thing than the actual history. I'm a bit more than a third of
the way through so I'll reserve total judgement. The anachronistic rock music
with wonderfully singing guitar work is way out of place for my blood - This
bothered me also in Damo. But -- and this is important, at least we don't have
the flying people all over this story. I dislike flicks with flying people. Mind
you a little kick off the roof for momentum is ok and pushing off the tops of
trees for a bit doesn't need a complete suspension of belief; this show has no
overt flyers (well - so far. But Damo did).

That being said the plot, character development and acting is superb as well as
the great swordplay action (minus the flying people) and dramatic scenery.
Buy it or DL it now!

Bob





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She's O.K. Theresa.
I'd rather have her as a drinking and arm wrestling buddy.

What I'm worried about is that big hair thing hanging on the front of her head
I forget what ep that appears on....
maybe she uses it to smuggle illegal goods from Shilla?

Bob


LOL Well if I was a man I might be turned on.  However, I find her to be truly
evil and I really wish someone would give her what she deserves.

Incidentally, she has been the topic of conversation on the other board....

http://koreandramas.bishsite.com/topic/19/

(You don't need to be a member to read the posts but I believe you might need to
sign up to see the pics).

handi maniac <handimaniac@...> wrote:
what do you think of lady Jami when she makes those eyes!



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yup, she has that hair thing going on - and very evil eyes when shes crossed -
she plays that part very well - just finished episode 44 last night.

Sub-Primitive@... wrote:She's O.K. Theresa.
I'd rather have her as a drinking and arm wrestling buddy.

What I'm worried about is that big hair thing hanging on the front of her head
I forget what ep that appears on....
maybe she uses it to smuggle illegal goods from Shilla?

Bob


LOL Well if I was a man I might be turned on.  However, I find her to be truly
evil and I really wish someone would give her what she deserves.

Incidentally, she has been the topic of conversation on the other board....

http://koreandramas.bishsite.com/topic/19/

(You don't need to be a member to read the posts but I believe you might need to
sign up to see the pics).

handi maniac <handimaniac@...> wrote:
what do you think of lady Jami when she makes those eyes!



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50eppy (kbs mini drama) avail 2 buy in 3 sets. every episode was
breath taking. definite buy!!! i just finished #50 2weeks ago &
i'm ready 2 start @ the beginning again.

handi maniac <handimaniac@...> wrote:
Hi, We're watching it in L.A. - how many episodes is this series?

Sub-Primitive@... wrote:I'm really enjoying this series.
I'll try not to do any spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But just in case; read no further





This story started out with that standard K-Drama see-saw thing one day the main
characters are on top of the world the next day in they're knee deep in a pile
of smeg. Of course these events are cleverly set into cliff-hanger mode. This
stabilizes about 7 or 8 episodes in though.

Of course there's the She loves him but there's no way for them to ever connect
because of artificial barriers and of course someone else loves her, but her
heart is taken by another etc...

Emperor of the Sea is less the serious Historical Drama in the mold of AOW & WG
and more like the regular 16 - 24 ep K-dramas. It's more centered on the
plot/counterplot thing than the actual history. I'm a bit more than a third of
the way through so I'll reserve total judgement. The anachronistic rock music
with wonderfully singing guitar work is way out of place for my blood - This
bothered me also in Damo. But -- and this is important, at least we don't have
the flying people all over this story. I dislike flicks with flying people. Mind
you a little kick off the roof for momentum is ok and pushing off the tops of
trees for a bit doesn't need a complete suspension of belief; this show has no
overt flyers (well - so far. But Damo did).

That being said the plot, character development and acting is superb as well as
the great swordplay action (minus the flying people) and dramatic scenery.
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Bob





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C
Jang Chae-ok: "I can't see your dream blocked by the heavy baggage of me."
Yoon Hwang-bo: "A dream that sacrifices you is not a dream I wish to have."
-MBC Damo

King Jung-jong to Dae Jang-geum:
"I love you, but I won't make you my concubine, because I don't want you to be
involved in a power struggle. However, I really want you to be with me. I order
you (to be with me) as your lord, and I beg you as a man. This is my way of
love. "
-MBC Dae Jang-geum
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Since WYBE isn't a PBS affiliate, I didn't realize this latest government attack
on the people would affect us!

Sandy Fulton
medieval_student@...

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time
and your government when it deserves it."
-Mark Twain

----- Original Message -----
From: WYBE
To: Medieval_student@...
Sent: 6/17/2005 2:15:36 PM
Subject: Action Alert: Proposed Federal Budget Cuts to Public Broadcasting



To all Public Broadcasting viewers, members and friends:

Please pardon the intrusion, but the future of Public Television and Radio is at
stake. If you love the unique programming brought to you through Public
Television and Radio, I urge you to read this email fully. The Federal
Government is proposing and will soon be voting on cutting back funding to ALL
Public Broadcasting. If you value quality educational programming, independent
productions, being able to gain a balanced perspective on global issues, viewing
programs that are not influenced by any special interest groups and more – Then
I strongly urge you to take action and call your local Senators and
Representatives opposing the federal budget cuts to Public Broadcasting. The
Federal budget cuts would cripple the ability of Public Television and Radio
Stations to bring you the programs you love so much. If you feel as strongly as
we do, please forward this email to your friends, family and colleagues and urge
them to call their Senators and Representatives as well.

Time is of the essence. Please act now.

1.Take Action!
Every American who supports public television must join together to fight back.
The political strength of local public television and radio stations, PBS and
NPR lies in the support we receive from communities across the nation. In this
time of danger, we need our supporters mobilized.

Call your Members of Congress to express your support for Public Broadcasting –
and find out where they stand on the proposed budget.

Congress will respect your personal call much more than anything else we can do.
Public broadcasting needs you to join the fight – our future depends upon it.

Supporters of public broadcasting are extremely disappointed that House
appropriators have proposed more than $220 million in crippling funding cuts for
public broadcasting in the new fiscal year. Proposed funding cuts as severe as
these – representing 45% of federal financial support – are nothing less than a
direct attack on the future of public television and radio. Because of the
urgent nature of this matter, we urge you to contact your Member of Congress
directly to convey your extreme disappointment.

Make Your Feelings Clear on the Proposed 45% Funding Cuts:
·         Support action to restore level funding for public broadcasting.
·         Oppose the $100 million rescission of funds to the Corporation for
Public Broadcasting.
·         Oppose the elimination of the highly successful Ready To Learn
Program.
·         Oppose the elimination of the highly successful PTFP program.
·         Oppose the elimination of funding for the digital conversion program –
a federal mandate.
·         Oppose the elimination of funding for the satellite interconnection
program for programming distribution to local stations.

These Funding Cuts Will Severely Impact Public Television and Radio Stations
·         These funding cuts are so drastic that they will severely impact every
public television and radio station’s ability to provide educational, cultural
and informational programming in local communities and throughout the nation.
·         The recommended 25% cut in Community Service Grants funding would
result in [station] receiving $______ less than last year, plus the loss of
$______ in Ready To Learn funds for our educational outreach programs for
disadvantaged children.
·         Total cuts of $_______ almost certainly would cause [station] to
cancel its Ready To Learn programs and slash local programming production.

Please ask your Member of Congress to commit to supporting any amendments or
other legislative remedies to provide level funding for all public broadcasting
programs.

Suggested script for phone calls to Senators and Representatives:

Hello,  my name is ______________ and I am from _______________. I am calling to
express my extreme dissatisfaction with the proposed budget cuts to Public
Broadcasting. I would like to strongly urge you to reconsider this proposition
and vote against cutting funds for Public Broadcasting. These budget cuts if
approved could mean the end of Public Broadcasting within a few years. How do
you plan on voting with regards to this issue?
(Please feel free to add any personal stories or experiences you have had with
Public Television and Radio and how it benefits Americans to have public
broadcasting available to each and every citizen)
Thank you for your time.


2. Direct Attack on Federal Funding for Public Broadcasting
House appropriators have proposed more than $220 million in crippling funding
cuts for public broadcasting in the new fiscal year. Proposed funding cuts as
severe as these – representing 45% of federal financial support – are nothing
less than a direct attack on the future of public television and radio. The
proposed cuts constitute at least malicious wounding, if not the outright
attempted murder of public broadcasting in America.
3. The Proposed Cuts
Proposed Rescission of  FY 2006 CSG Funds: The most draconian cut proposed by
House appropriators is the rescission of $100 million – or 25% – of the
appropriation already made in 2004 to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting
for FY 2006.
Proposed Elimination of the Ready To Learn Program: In perhaps its most punitive
move, House appropriators proposed eliminating all funding for Ready To Learn, a
successful educational program that serves tens of millions of American kids.
Ready To Learn consistently receives strong bipartisan support – even the budget
submitted by the Bush Administration recommended funding it at $23 million.
Even Deeper Funding Cuts Proposed: House appropriators continued their attack by
proposing no new funding for digital infrastructure and interconnection
programs, which combined received $79 million last year.
PTFP Under Attack: House appropriators proposed eliminating the Public
Telecommunications Facilities Program (PTFP) – a cut of another $21 million.
PTFP, which has supported public broadcasting for 40 years, plays an
indispensable role in providing matching money for infrastructure, which in turn
delivers innovative new programs and services.
4. Contact Information for Senators and Representatives in PA, DE and NJ
TitleFirst NameLast NamePartyStatePhone - LocalPhone - DCWebsite Information
SenatorArlenSpecterRepublicanPA215-597-7200202-224-4254specter.senate.gov
SenatorRickSantorumRepublicanPA215-864-6900202-224-6324santorum.senate.gov
Rep.Robert A.BradyDemocratPA215-389-4627202-225-4731www.house.gov/robertbrady
Rep.ChakaFattahDemocratPA215-387-6404202-225-4001www.house.gov/fattah
Rep.Philip S.EnglishRepublicanPA814-456-6132202-225-5406www.house.gov/english
Rep.Melissa A.HartRepublicanPA412-492-0161202-225-2565hart.house.gov
Rep.John E.
PetersonRepublicanPA814-238-1776202-225-5121www.house.gov/johnpeterson
Rep.JimGerlachRepublicanPA610-594-1415202-225-4315www.house.gov/gerlach
Rep.CurtWeldonRepublicanPA610-259-0700202-225-2011www.house.gov/curtweldon
Rep.MikeFitzpatrickRepublicanPA215-752-7711202-225-4276www.house.gov/fitzpatrick
Rep.BillSchusterRepublicanPA814-696-6318202-225-2431www.house.gov/shuster
Rep.DonSherwoodRepublicanPA570-585-8190202-225-3731www.house.gov/sherwood
Rep.Paul E.KanjorskiDemocratPA570-825-2200202-225-6511kanjorski.house.gov
Rep.John P.MurthaDemocratPA814-535-2642202-225-2065www.house.gov/murtha
Rep.Allyson Y.SchwartzDemocratPA215-335-3355202-225-6111www.house.gov/schwartz
Rep.MikeDoyleDemocratPA412-241-6055202-225-2135www.house.gov/doyle
Rep.Charles W.DentRepublicanPA610-861-9734202-225-6411www.house.gov/dent
Rep.Joseph R.PittsRepublicanPA717-393-0667202-225-2411www.house.gov/pitts
Rep.TimHoldenDemocratPA717-234-5904202-225-5546www.holden.house.gov
Rep.Timothy F. MurphyRepublicanPA412-344-5583202-225-2301murphy.house.gov
Rep.Todd R.PlattsRepublicanPA717-600-1919202-225-5836www.house.gov/platts
SenatorJon S.CorzineDemocratNJ973-645-3030202-224-4744corzine.senate.gov
SenatorFrank R.LautenbergDemocratNJ973-639-8700202-224-3224lautenberg.senate.gov
Rep.Robert E.AndrewsDemocratNJ856-546-5100202-225-6501www.house.gov/andrews
Rep.Frank A.LoBiondoRepublicanNJ609-625-5008202-225-6572www.house.gov/lobiondo
Rep.JimSaxtonRepublicanNJ609-261-5800202-225-4765www.house.gov/saxton
Rep.Christopher
H.SmithRepublicanNJ609-585-7878202-225-3765www.house.gov/chrissmith
Rep.ScottGarrettRepublicanNJ201-712-0330202-225-4465www.house.gov/garrett
Rep.FrankPallone Jr.DemocratNJ732-571-1140202-225-4671www.house.gov/pallone
Rep.Michael A.FergusonRepublicanNJ908-757-7835202-225-5361www.house.gov/ferguson
Rep.BillPascrell Jr.DemocratNJ973-523-5152202-225-5751pascrell.house.gov
Rep.Steven R RothmanDemocratNJ201-646-0808202-225-5061rothman.house.gov
Rep.Donald M.PayneDemocratNJ973-645-3213202-225-3436www.house.gov/payne
Rep.RodneyFrelinghuysenRepublicanNJ973-984-0711202-225-5034frelinghuysen.house.g\
ov
Rep.RushHoltDemocratNJ609-750-9365202-225-5801holt.house.gov
Rep.RobertMenendezDemocratNJ201-222-2828202-225-7919menendez.house.gov
SenatorJoseph R.Biden, Jr.DemocratDE302-573-6345202-224-5042biden.senate.gov
SenatorThomas A. CarperDemocratDE302-674-3308202-224-2441carper.senate.gov
Rep.Michael A.CastleDemocratDE302-428-1902202-225-4165www.house.gov.castle


  If you do not see your Senators name on this list please visit
http://www.senate.gov/
  If you do not see your Representatives name on this list please visit
http://www.house.gov/

5. News Article Links on the Federal Budget Cuts to Public Broadcasting
http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/public_broadcasting_targeted_by_house
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0506120346jun12,1,3139914.colu\
mn?coll=chi-news-col
http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=2971DD08-65BC-4554-9A61-38F495B854\
53
http://www.apts.org/


Thank you for your love and support of Public Broadcasting.

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For whatever it's worth, my take
on this is that the rightys know
they can't get away with a
radical defunding of CPB --
public TV and radio are too
popular.  They are softening the
opposition up for what they
really want: more power for a
GOP-dominated CPB that will then
go about trasnforming PBS and
NPR into yet another cog in what
the formidable Rachel Maddow
calls "The Right Wing Scheme
Machine," iow a compliant public
broadcasting establishment
utterly at the beck and call of
corporate donors and their
political allies.  Frankly, I
don't think a bush league (no
pun intended), community-
o/ned / operation like WYBE is in
any substantial danger -- but
fighting this is a good thing to
do anyway, simply because it's
just plain evil!

I must have a short memory. Who is the actor who plays Choi Choong-hon
on AOW? Thanks! Linda

llbholt <lindegard@...> wrote:
>I must have a short memory.
Who is the actor who plays
Choi Choong-hon on AOW? Thanks!
Linda


Hiya Linda & Fellow Fans :-)

Kim Kap-Su (Kim Kap-Soo)
link to actor page on KoreanWiz
http://www.koreanwiz.org/at/actors5.html

Does anyone know what the Biography/Filmography says??

Can't read it.



--- betz.mc@... wrote:

> llbholt <lindegard@...> wrote:
> >I must have a short memory.
> Who is the actor who plays
> Choi Choong-hon on AOW? Thanks!
> Linda
>
>
> Hiya Linda & Fellow Fans :-)
>
> Kim Kap-Su (Kim Kap-Soo)
> link to actor page on KoreanWiz
> http://www.koreanwiz.org/at/actors5.html
>
>


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I think your opinion is correct.

Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:For whatever it's worth, my take
on this is that the rightys know
they can't get away with a
radical defunding of CPB --
public TV and radio are too
popular.  They are softening the
opposition up for what they
really want: more power for a
GOP-dominated CPB that will then
go about trasnforming PBS and
NPR into yet another cog in what
the formidable Rachel Maddow
calls "The Right Wing Scheme
Machine," iow a compliant public
broadcasting establishment
utterly at the beck and call of
corporate donors and their
political allies.  Frankly, I
don't think a bush league (no
pun intended), community-
o/ned / operation like WYBE is in
any substantial danger -- but
fighting this is a good thing to
do anyway, simply because it's
just plain evil!



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here cat, try this:


KIM KAP SU  (Kim Gap Soo)
TV dramas:  Emperor of the Sea (Do-hyung); Age of Warriors; Days in the Sun (Mr.
Choi); 203;  Step Mom (Dong-taek); Orient Theatre (Dok-kyun); Wang Guhn
Movies:  A Tale of 2 Sisters; Bungee Jumping of Their Own (2000)
Awards:  KBS Outstanding Actor (2001)


is this what u can't make out or are u talkinh about
something else?

Cathy Burt <catburt028@...> wrote:
Does anyone know what the Biography/Filmography says??

Can't read it.



--- betz.mc@... wrote:

> llbholt <lindegard@...> wrote:
> >I must have a short memory.
> Who is the actor who plays
> Choi Choong-hon on AOW? Thanks!
> Linda
>
>
> Hiya Linda & Fellow Fans :-)
>
> Kim Kap-Su (Kim Kap-Soo)
> link to actor page on KoreanWiz
> http://www.koreanwiz.org/at/actors5.html
>
>


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Thanks Chrissy...

Cat & Linda...
here are some links
about Kim Kap-Su

link bio/filmography
http://www.asiandb.com/browse/people_detail.pfm?code=248

link film review of KT w/pics
http://www.asiandb.com/news/news.pfm?code=japan&mode=view&num=15

link (in Italian) pics from Two Sisters
http://www.cinefile.biz/2sister.htm

link Orient Theatre
http://www.koreanwiz.org/drama-orient.html

link (in Korean) pic of Kap-Su
http://www.hf.rim.or.jp/~t-sanjin/act_kimk.html

Thanks, Betz! I'm in Kim Kap-Su Heaven! :-) Linda

--- In WangGuhn@yahoogroups.com, <betz.mc@v...> wrote:
> Thanks Chrissy...
>
> Cat & Linda...
> here are some links
> about Kim Kap-Su
>
> link bio/filmography
> http://www.asiandb.com/browse/people_detail.pfm?code=248
>
> link film review of KT w/pics
> http://www.asiandb.com/news/news.pfm?code=japan&mode=view&num=15
>
> link (in Italian) pics from Two Sisters
> http://www.cinefile.biz/2sister.htm
>
> link Orient Theatre
> http://www.koreanwiz.org/drama-orient.html
>
> link (in Korean) pic of Kap-Su
> http://www.hf.rim.or.jp/~t-sanjin/act_kimk.html

Our tax money shouldn't pay for a lot of the filth on public tv!
What about the liberal lies that try to pervert the minds of the youth of
america.
Get off the Bush bashing and talk Age of Warriors.

LAURA KINDER <happyspirit1947@...> wrote:
I think your opinion is correct.

Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:For whatever it's worth, my take
on this is that the rightys know
they can't get away with a
radical defunding of CPB --
public TV and radio are too
popular.  They are softening the
opposition up for what they
really want: more power for a
GOP-dominated CPB that will then
go about trasnforming PBS and
NPR into yet another cog in what
the formidable Rachel Maddow
calls "The Right Wing Scheme
Machine," iow a compliant public
broadcasting establishment
utterly at the beck and call of
corporate donors and their
political allies.  Frankly, I
don't think a bush league (no
pun intended), community-
o/ned / operation like WYBE is in
any substantial danger -- but
fighting this is a good thing to
do anyway, simply because it's
just plain evil!



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Frank wrote:

>Our tax money shouldn't pay for a lot of the filth on public tv!
>
>
Tax money pays very little
for any kind of public TV
-- the real tension is
between corporate donors
and individuals in local
communities.  Believe me,
your taxes aren't paying
for AOW on WYBE any more
than they're paying for
lowest common denominator
pap like Lawrence Welk and
Daniel O'Donnell on NJN
and WHYY.  The GOP pressure
is about more big donor
control, defunding the very
minor federal portion of
public TV's finances is
just a trojan horse for
that goal.

>What about the liberal lies that try to pervert the minds of the youth of
america.
>
>

I'm going to take wild
guess here, Frank, feel
free to tell me if this
isn't what you mean by
"liberal lies" (as if
"conservative lies" are
somehow better?):

Stand down from read alert
-- tax money isn't paying
for "In The Life" or "In
Bed With Butch" either.
Like AOW, those programs
get air time because of
the support of individual
donors in the community.
In effect, the public
votes in what it wants to
see with their donations.
You voted for AOW, etc.,
others voted for stuff
you consider "liberal
lies" -- it's hard to
imagine a more democratic
process except that those
who can't afford to donate
don't get to vote.

>Get off the Bush bashing and talk Age of Warriors.
>
>
If you care about keeping
public TV truly public,
"Bush bashing" is the way
to go -- the guy believes
in privatization as an
inherent good, and the
closest he can hope to get
to that regarding public
TV is more corporate
influence via stacking the
CPB's management.  I agree
it's borderline off-topic
for this list, but
ultimately that call
belongs to Betz, wouldn't
you agree?

>LAURA KINDER <happyspirit1947@...> wrote:
>I think your opinion is correct.
>
>Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:For whatever it's worth, my take
>on this is that the rightys know
>they can't get away with a
>radical defunding of CPB --
>public TV and radio are too
>popular.  They are softening the
>opposition up for what they
>really want: more power for a
>GOP-dominated CPB that will then
>go about trasnforming PBS and
>NPR into yet another cog in what
>the formidable Rachel Maddow
>calls "The Right Wing Scheme
>Machine," iow a compliant public
>broadcasting establishment
>utterly at the beck and call of
>corporate donors and their
>political allies.  Frankly, I
>don't think a bush league (no
>pun intended), community-
>o/ned / operation like WYBE is in
>any substantial danger -- but
>fighting this is a good thing to
>do anyway, simply because it's
>just plain evil!
>
>

Just curious Frank,
what are these liberal lies on PBS?

or are you buying into the right wing brainwashing of America?

PBS has more ombudsmen to keep the balance in programming than several networks
combined

the issue may or may not be the politics, but if some people had their way years
ago, we likely wouldn't be discussing AOW here. PBS is and has been in the cross
hairs. Keep defending the folks who want to bend you over a barrel man.

Some people want to tell you how to think. They hate PBS because they encourage
people to think. Thinking for yourself is anti-American...

sorry for the politics people, but folks who benefit from quality service should
support it, now gulp up everything they are fed.

Bob


Frank <ultraman865@...> wrote:
Our tax money shouldn't pay for a lot of the filth on public tv!
What about the liberal lies that try to pervert the minds of the youth of
america.
Get off the Bush bashing and talk Age of Warriors.



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I whole-heartedly agree!
I've been biting my tongue for some time reading the
"informed opinions" from some of posters.


While I may enjoy reading someone's opinion about a
dramatic device or their view of Korean past &
present, I DON'T enjoy reading the constant sniping
about a President I VOTED FOR AND SUPPORT 100%!!!


I am a colloege-educated, free-thinking, reformed
liberal who is tired of seeing our country go to hell
in a handbasket because the radical left doesn't
understand the concept of individual accountability
and  the radical right keeps trying to shove their
version of religion down my throat on a daily basis.

Your opinion about politics has been dule noted. It's
fine for another BB, but I, for one, will not sit idly
by anymore while crap is spewed.


Get off it folks and stick to to Korean dramas, or
this group WILL disintegrate---seen it happen on too
many other BB.


LET IT GO!



Keep the politics out of this group!


--- Frank <ultraman865@...> wrote:
...

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Am I the only one who thinks these Japanese commanders (Immortal Yi
Soon-shin) are screaming nut cases?  I can't stand this!  Also, did we have to
see them take the bullet out of YSS's shoulder!?!  Holy Moly!
Now that the battles are in full swing I am really enjoying this show, but
Japanese are out of control!