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#4908 From: "Griff" <griff@...>
Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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Hi All,

I think despite Henderson's original and seeming happiness that Straker gets the
job as Commander-in-Chief of SHADO, he nonetheless finds it hard to take after
all the effort that he (and Straker) had put into to getting full and
unequivocal international support for the need to start up SHADO.

Although Henderson was (booted upstairs) as General, and was put in charge of
the SHADO purse-strings in the guise of Chairman of the Astro-Space Commission,
I believe he really wanted the SHADO Commander's role. Henderson does in
"Confetti Check A-OK" admit that he was not physically up to the role at that
time; "What kind of shape am I in? What kind of shape will I be in ten years
time?" (just after the accident in which he - Henderson - was injured, and the
British Cabinet Minister was killed, Straker escapes unhurt), and does concede
that he would be too old once SHADO was truly up and running in another ten
years.

To be fair to Henderson, in all cases during the 26 UFO episodes, he is firm
(sometimes extremely), but fair with Straker. In "Conflict" at the end of the
episode he even concedes to Straker, and then Straker in turn shows non-grudging
respect in return.

The real nasty personality conflict appears in "Close Up", "Court Martial" and
"Mindbender", and in all three cases, Henderson is shown to be in error and
backs down to Straker. Maybe Straker's superior ability, and to be proved
"right" also drives Henderson's animosity.

Well, that's my input. I hope it helps.

Later,

Griff

#4909 From: karl_barcia@...
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 2:50 am
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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I've been away but glad to b back.  Read the posts with interest,
especially the Straker vs. Henderson discussions. Great stuff!! I
thought there was a lot of positive writing on the speculation from
members that really intrigued me to which I've replied.  I have to
say I have to agree with Denise - only because I'm scared she might
dis me off ;-) - and James Gibbon about continuity error as an
explanation to the sudden change in relations between the two hard
men of SHADO.

  (To 'dis' is how a young would-be-rapper would say to you if they
want to criticise you rather sharply).

Denise Felt wrote:

You can read all you want into the storyline,
> > but the simple fact is that they never explain it!


and

James Gibbon wrote:

...like the unexplained change in attitude toward Dr  Jackson
in 'Court Martial' or Foster's hairline travelling in a different
direction from  everyone else, it certainly _is_ a continuity
issue...

And what about the alien spacesuits losing their chain mail and
getting what looked like the silver shoulder and chest pieces similar
to the female Moonbase crew!  Didn't the female Moonbase crew
have a changed look too? It's these things that really struck me
when I first started to watch UFO again... the continuity errors.

Anyway... I would imagine that as a writer you would have to have a
comprehensive profile and personalities of all the main characters
before writing a storyline.  It's difficult to imagine a major
shift in relations between the main protagonists - unless of course
as,

Sheila wrote:

... the fact there were so many different writers working on the
series...

However, we witness the continued quarrelling between `H' and
Straker in later episodes, which is at least consistent, if not
explanatory.


James Gibbon wrote:

...I imagine that the writers simply thought it would be more
interesting to have a bit of tension between Straker & his  boss, so
they just made it happen...

Well, it wouldn't surprise me!  It would be interesting to see
the original scripts and each of the character profiles.

A TV series such as UFO would have been tightly budgeted and like
most things in life there seems never enough time to complete things.

There is a visible pooling of resources on the set of UFO.
Didn't Foster have his own car?  It was a blue wedge shape one
wasn't it? It just doesn't look right that he drives around in
Straker's car. Unless of course, we are expected to believe that
Straker has given permission of some kind to senior SHADO personnel
that they have access to all company(Film Studio)cars.

The things that spoil a good episode are missing hubcaps from the
organisation's cars.  Which disappear in one scene only to
reappear in the next.

Maybe the producers were expecting us to accept the changes in
continuity as a natural progression over time. Who knows! Certainly
they were presumptuous in expecting us to turn a blind eye when
personnel assumed different roles, changed attitudes or even
disappeared during the course of the series!


Rob wrote:

...Perhaps General Henderson was also Mary's father?.. Father-in-laws
always take their daughter's side when a marriage crumbles, after
all. ;-)...

This sounds remotely familiar...  Is this true? It would explain a
lot of things;-)

Karl

#4910 From: karl_barcia@...
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 3:10 am
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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Griff  wrote:

"Henderson does in "Confetti Check A-OK" admit that he was not
physically up to the role at that time; "What kind of shape am I in?
What kind of shape will I be in ten years time?" (just after the
accident in which he - Henderson - was injured, and the British
Cabinet Minister was killed, Straker escapes unhurt), and does
concede that he would be too old once SHADO was truly up and running
in another ten years".


Griff,

Certainly Henderson shows some signs of bitterness for the reasons
above.  Equally plausable is that both have large egos, both of the
same kind, and that similarity causes friction.  Certainly both men
are under immense pressure from their jobs.  However, in some
episodes we see that Henderson visibly enjoys giving Straker the
needle. Perhaps H has more time on his hands - although in Court
Martial he seemed too busy to even see Straker.  Nevertheless, the
change of attitude to one another is still too sudden to have taken
place without some formal explanation.


Griff wrote:

"The real nasty personality conflict appears in "Close Up", "Court
Martial" and "Mindbender", and in all three cases, Henderson is shown
to be in error and backs down to Straker. Maybe Straker's superior
ability, and to be proved "right" also drives Henderson's animosity".

What's interesting about Mindbender is that it show us how Straker
sees Henderson. It's a nightmare!  Straker's paranoia about Henderson
reaches an intensity.  We saw in 'Computer Affair' that
Straker's "cold logic" approach reaches an all time low in popularity
amongst some of his personel: Ellis, Mark and even his best friend
Alec Freeman!

Karl

#4911 From: karl_barcia@...
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 3:33 am
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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Amelia wrote:
>    One of my interpretations for what art is, is that its something
that can
> be interpreted by the onlooker, or the listener. Art isn't always
explained,
> and very often we hear music, for example, and think, ah that is a
lovely
> song about bittersweet love. Then we find out the singer-songwriter
was
> talking about something else entirely.

A nice analogy Amelia.  I agree.  With more information on the series
we may change our intrepretation on certain episodes.  That would be
an exciting prospect, to read the episodes in a totally differnt
light.

I had a look at the Italian ISOSHADO site and saw that Paulo (the guy
that runs it) was invited to Pinewood Studios and had dinner with
Slyvia Anderson. I bet he must have asked a few questions concerning
UFO's storylines. Or maybe it was one of those occasions where it was
too formal to ask such things.

Karl

#4912 From: BedsitterOne@...
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 3:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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In a message dated 9/4/01 10:02:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
karl_barcia@... writes:

<< What's interesting about Mindbender is that it show us how Straker
  sees Henderson. It's a nightmare! >>
   If we take that scene literally as how Ed in his deepest subconscious sees
General Henderson, then one answer to why there's discord between them is
right there to dig out. "father Straker and his flock of sheep" "someone
ought to etc etc"  "My God I'm seeing you for the first time" "you really
don't care, do you"  its all eye opening stuff.
              (just a side thought, probably a lot of Straker's staff believe
that same thing of Straker, that *he* is a cold hearted bastard that doesn't
care )
   If after Straker took Shado, Henderson  was so blinded by the feelings
about losing Shado (and the prestige that came with it, the crowning
achievement of a career ) that he really did begin to not care, and saw the
operatives as simply following Straker's orders  unquestioningly like sheep,
as Ed is seeing in his hallucination, then all that naturally occured over
time, and the relationship became strained. But Straker keeps a certain
regard for Henderson (walk you to your car ) and Henderson during Timelash
describes Straker as "Shado's most valuable piece of manpower" Not exactly a
humane description, <g> but still aware of what Ed means to the organization.
I often wonder if Jackson or Paul ever told Ed after he recovered that
Henderson had said that. I know that probably had Alec been there (and oh how
I wish that episode was done with Alec, knowing Alec's long time affection
for Ed) he would have told Ed <g>

Anyone with enough  imagination can fill in most of the stuff  that UFO never
showed or explained. And in CCAOK's original script, Henderson *makes* Ed
take the job. Ed refuses it. Puts a different spin on things, huh? Allows you
to see the characters and situations in different ways.

I like things that aren't all figured out, where the i's are not always
dotted and the t's aren't always crossed. Makes you use your imagination,
which is where fan fic comes in. Inspires you.
And no, there is no scene anywhere in UFO that *directly* explains the
"Conflict" but heh, there's a whole bloody episode called Conflict. There are
clues everywhere. When police investigate a murder, they don't have
everything carefully laid out in front of them, either. They look into the
victim's life and they slowly  reconstruct the murder, and they examine the
evidence before them. Often they still fail, but more often they succeed.
Pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, painstakingly put together. That whole procedure
reminds me of this Straker vs Henderson thing. There *are* a lot of reasons
why it may be happening, you just have to look for them, want to look for
them. You work from the 26 episodes (which is precisely what I do) as your
basis and then you conjecture about this and you work with that, and you
think well if he did that, he may do this, he may feel this, he may wish that
but he wouldn't do this.  (and the way Ed Bishop played him figured into it
too )You crawl out on a limb as far as you want to get away from canon. When
I read a story, any story, or *write* a story what I use as my standard is
canon. And canon to me is the 26 episodes. Anything in them. Look closely.
Now people wander from canon and see what they want to see for whatever
reason. I wander from canon a lot. But I try to stay to canon to enough
extent that my readers will still experience the essential feelings about
Straker. Straker's a amazing, amazing  fictional character. (looks good in a
jumpsuit, too ) <G> And again, Ed Bishop's talent had a lot to do with it.
  Look at the whole X files thing, the fan fic writers that wanted (thus saw)
a relationship, the ones that didn't. And if you watch X files, the fan fic
writers that were shippers won <g> I *think* <vbg>
Now sadly we *may* never get a UFO movie, which would add to the canon (and
no doubt present a whole new set of unanswered questions to argue about )
<VBG>

Amelia ( who wishes Straker would have whacked Henderson with the  space rock
) <g>

#4913 From: karl_barcia@...
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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Amelia wrote:

> Anyone with enough  imagination can fill in most of the stuff  that
UFO never
> showed or explained.

Amelia, although I agree in the main about using ones imagination to
fill the gaps in the plot I do have concerns as well.  The show's
producers may have left things out by accident or for other reasons.


Amelia wrote:

> ...and then you conjecture about this and you work with that, and
you
> think well if he did that, he may do this, he may feel this, he may
wish that
> but he wouldn't do this.


Within the conjecture we must include the probability that the series
makers may have just made decisions without reference to the plot.
Otherwise we would go down that speculative road which would be fun
leading us to create many different scenarios but no nearer to the
truth. I have to agree with Straker on this one and say we have to
look at the facts(?!).


Amelia wrote:
>  Look at the whole X files thing, the fan fic writers that wanted
(thus saw)
> a relationship, the ones that didn't. And if you watch X files, the
fan fic
> writers that were shippers won

This is a good example of speculation at it's best.  I never viewed
the later series of X files so I don't know if they ever got it
together.  But from what I can remember from the first two series you
wondered if the two had things for each other. Nothing ever happened
though.

Karl

P.S. What is "canon" and "shippers"?

#4914 From: "Denise Felt" <neesierie@...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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>karl_barcia@...
wrote:
I
>thought there was a lot of positive writing on the speculation from
>members that really intrigued me to which I've replied.  I have to
>say I have to agree with Denise - only because I'm scared she might
>dis me off

Karl,
Cute.  Very cute.  BTW, what was your name again? *wicked grin*
Yours,
Denise

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#4915 From: karl_barcia@...
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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> >karl_barcia@y...
> wrote:
> I
> >thought there was a lot of positive writing on the speculation from
> >members that really intrigued me to which I've replied.  I have to
> >say I have to agree with Denise - only because I'm scared she might
> >dis me off
>
> Karl,
> Cute.  Very cute.  BTW, what was your name again? *wicked grin*
> Yours,
> Denise

Karl... Karl Barcia *dashingly wicked grin (Paul Foster style)*
truly,
Karl

#4916 From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:13 am
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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Someone just e-mailed to tell me there was a big argument
about Straker vs. Henderson going on here, so I thought
I'd better start paying attention to what's going on
here!  (sorry, been a bit preoccupied lately...)

In my opinion (not that anyone was asking!), the tension
between Straker & Henderson is established in early (production
schedule) episodes like CONFLICT, and only *later* during the
production do we have the flashback episode CONFETTI CHECK A-OK,
where Henderson & Straker are good buddies.  So obviously
writer Tony Barwick purposely was showing that Henderson &
Straker were much friendlier 10 years ago, and leaving it
up to the viewer to wonder what happened between the 2
to sour the relationship.

On the other hand, UFO *is* loaded with inconsistencies
from episode-to-episode, and both Dr. Jackson & Henderson
*are* inconsistent in COURT MARTIAL with respect to the
other "present day" (1980's) episodes.

So, I agree that Henderson's behavior in COURT MARTIAL is a
"continuity" problem, while his behavior in
CONFETTI CHECK A-OK is not.

--
Marc Martin, marc@...

(back to being pre-occupied...)

#4917 From: SumitonJD@...
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 1:38 am
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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Marc,
       since I seem to have started this mess about Straker and Henderson I'm
going to put another 2 cents in.  Since Court Martial was filmed first it
would seem to me that the bad feelings between Straker and Henderson was
intentional and not a error.  Since this is also shown is some other other
episodes it seems to be a factor but since Confetti Check  A-OK was filmed
after Court Martial it seems they wanted to show that the bad feelings were
not always there.  Since it was never explained it is up to the view to
decide for themselves the reason for this.

        James  K. (taking cover in the UFO defense center)

#4918 From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:46 am
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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> >since Confetti Check  A-OK was filmed after Court Martial

Note also that CONFETTI & COURT MARTIAL were both written
by Tony Barwick (who was also the script editor for the
series), and these episodes were #12 and #14 in the production
order, so I think it's fairly obvious that the difference
in Henderson & Straker's relationship between the 2 episodes
was intentional.

--
Marc Martin, marc@...

#4919 From: Grant Wray <grantw@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 10:15 am
Subject: RE: dead links
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Hiya, new link for my stuff is
http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/keepers/71/UFO/UFOpage.html

Grant.


-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Appleyard [mailto:MCLSSAA2@...]
Sent: 30 August 2001 17:15
To: SHADO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SHADO] dead links


I have been going through my list of UFO-related links, and I have found
that
these seem to be 404:-

http://users.ipa.net/~yuchtar/SHADAIR.html :: UFO - SHADAIR HQ
http://www.cnw.com/~mmartin/temp/ :: Index of Marc Martin's /~mmartin/temp
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1470/marspers.html :: ufo mars
operatives
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1470/thecast.html :: ufocast
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1470/tubby.html :: ufo mix colombo
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1470/ufotvlis.html :: UFOtvmaillist
http://www.geocities.com/~tpring/ :: Sci-Fi Follies (some UFO-related humour

here)
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgagrw/UFO/UFOpage.html :: The UFO page

and even the old FAB-UFO list archives, it seems:-

http://www.lists.pipex.com/cgi-bin/listproc/digests?list=FAB-UFO :: The FAB-
UFO List Archive

Are any of these pages merely at other addresses?

How is Yuchtar? The last message from her was on 30 June 2001.





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#4920 From: BedsitterOne@...
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 9:32 am
Subject: (was Henderson vs. Straker) some OT content
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In a message dated 9/5/01 10:20:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
karl_barcia@... writes:

<< But from what I can remember from the first two series you
  wondered if the two had things for each other. Nothing ever happened
  though.

  Karl

  P.S. What is "canon" and "shippers"? >>


You need to watch some of the newer X Files. <vbg>  Canon is anything that
was actually in the original 26 UFO episodes. Such as Ed Straker being born
in Boston. (Right, Deborah? Deborah is my Shado Library boss) <g> Look up
FanFic writers' terms. if you're curious. Or just read some stories in
Deborah's library if you like.

http://www.shadolibrary.org/library/indexa.htm

Shippers were the X files fans that insisted Mulder and Scully were perfect
for one other, and wanted the relationSHIPpers. <g> No Romos were the
opposite, ones against M & S having any romance, that it would spoil the X
Files.
And yes, I agree, a lot of what seems to be continuity and other errors in
the series are probably due to writers, directors, etc etc, not foreseeing
that all this time after the series is ended, we'd be discussing why
Henderson and Straker suddenly were at each others' throats. But inventing
reasons by using one's imagination is as fun as using Straker's facts. :- D
Amelia

#4921 From: "Anthony Appleyard" <MCLSSAA2@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 10:26 am
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Straker
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SumitonJD@... wrote:-
>  ... Since Court Martial was filmed first it would seem to me that the bad
> feelings between Straker and Henderson was intentional and not a error. ...

As Henderson gets older, his mentality would change, as happens when men get
old. And remember that for some of that time Henderson's actor had incurable
cancer and knowing that may have affected his mood when acting.

#4922 From: "Dandello" <librarian@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:21 pm
Subject: RE: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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Actually, Straker only says he was 'from Boston'. He could have been born in
Dallas and raised in Boston.
Deborah

BTW, Canon can also include details given the the original scripts and
writers notes. However, in the event the scripts or notes do not conform to
what was filmed and aired, what was filmed takes precedence. If there is a
discrepancy between different language versions aired, the original language
version takes precedence. For example, the German language version of AQOP
has the drug arriving in the nick of time and John survives. In the English
(original) version, John dies.
The version where John dies takes precedence as is was how the director and
writer wanted it and the script makes it obvious they hadn't considered an
optional happy ending.


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In a message dated 9/5/01 10:20:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
karl_barcia@... writes:

<< But from what I can remember from the first two series you
  wondered if the two had things for each other. Nothing ever happened
  though.

  Karl

  P.S. What is "canon" and "shippers"? >>


You need to watch some of the newer X Files. <vbg>  Canon is anything that
was actually in the original 26 UFO episodes. Such as Ed Straker being born
in Boston. (Right, Deborah? Deborah is my Shado Library boss) <g> Look up
FanFic writers' terms. if you're curious. Or just read some stories in
Deborah's library if you like.

http://www.shadolibrary.org/library/indexa.htm


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#4923 From: "Pam McCaughey" <editor@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: canon or not canon
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On the subject of canon, both show creators and fans can get pretty
sticky-wicket about things. For instance, I read where Gene Roddenberry
permitted only one eps of the animated Trek show (made in the early 70's) to
stand as canon (the eps in which Spock must go back through the Guardian of
Forever to save himself as a child in order for the future/his present to
remain on track) and Roddenberry said ST V: The Final Frontier
(written/directed by Shatner) was NOT canon. Most fans are willing to agree
with this, Roddenberry being the Great Bird of the Galaxy and all.

Vis a vis UFO, I take what I saw on the screen as canon. It's not likely I'm
ever going to see copies of the scripts or original writers' notes etc. The
Henderson vs Straker relationship which appears in Court Martial was part of
the plot - I don't think the writers gave much thought at all to the fact
that between CM and CCAOK there would appear to be some inconsistencies in
the relationship between the two men. They were merely concerned with the
plot at hand and would drive it. As fans and fan fic writers, we can imagine
what might have happened -that's pretty much all. Don't forget - UFO writers
were not even concerned with canon - unlike Trek writers - Gene monitored
every script that was to be filmed to make sure it measured up and fit all
the parameters of the series. I don't think that happened with UFO, esp
since it only lasted 26 eps.

Pam

#4924 From: BedsitterOne@...
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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In a message dated 9/6/01 8:52:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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<< Actually, Straker only says he was 'from Boston'. He could have been born
in
  Dallas and raised in Boston.
  Deborah >>

I suddenly have this vision of Straker coming up to Miss Ealand and saying,
"Howdy there, Miss Ealand, how y'all doin'? Get me Colonel Freeman, will ya? "

<chuckles>
<and yes, I know not everyone in Dallas has that drawl. Ed Bishop does it
darn good in Lords of Discipline> <g>
Amelia

#4925 From: BedsitterOne@...
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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In a message dated 9/6/01 8:52:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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<< BTW, Canon can also include details given the the original scripts and
  writers notes. However, in the event the scripts or notes do not conform to
  what was filmed and aired, what was filmed takes precedence. >>
  In the Project Straker booklet (and also in FAB 25) Straker's birthplace
isgiven as Boston Mass, and because its a Fanderson publication I'm thinking
it was based on whatever Gerry developed, but no way to tell for certain who
came up with all that. It gives Straker  the full name of Edward George, his
birthdate as July 10th, 1940, (which would make Straker now slightly older
than Bishop ) his height as 5'10 (Bishop was supposed to be 6ft when he got
the role) his weight as 155 lbs. (Bishop's actual weight then)   It gives
Straker an interesting background. Also nterestingly enough that Fab issue
gives same birthplace for Adam Svenson, better known as Capt. Blue.
So the only hint is that Straker mentions Boston.  And I believe Foster gives
some of his background in Exposed when he shows him the clipping.
   And I assume canon can include  episode photographs,
  like the still from CCAOK that shows Straker as having served in Vietnam,
judging from his ribbons, Deborah? ;- )

I can't get a good scan of the Straker bio, so maybe someone can, and put it
in FILES if someone wants it? Or is it on Marc's site somewhere and I am not
seeing it? Fab  issue 25.

Amelia

#4926 From: James Gibbon <james.gibbon@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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BedsitterOne@... wrote:


> <chuckles> <and yes, I know not everyone in Dallas has that
> drawl. Ed Bishop does it darn good in Lords of Discipline> <g>
> Amelia
>


That reminds me - a week or two ago I was listening to some
documentary programme on (BBC) Radio 4, during the course of
which what sounded like a brief snippet of dialogue from a play
was broadcast ..  sounded like some American historical drama.
A bit 'Gone With The Wind'-ish, if you catch my drift.  A bit
'well lawdy miss, ah do declayah'  if you see what I mean.
Anyway the presenter credited the two actors, and one of
them was Ed Bishop, doing a very, very strong Southern drawl.
No idea what the play was, though.  Anyone have any idea?

James

#4927 From: "Pam McCaughey" <editor@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: Straker and Dallas
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Actually, I place Straker and Foster in Dallas in my new UFO-Dallas cross
over story on Deborah's SHADO Library - Straker vs J.R. Ewing - in Deep in
the Heart of Texas - Pam

I suddenly have this vision of Straker coming up to Miss Ealand and saying,
"Howdy there, Miss Ealand, how y'all doin'? Get me Colonel Freeman, will ya?
"
Amelia

#4928 From: karl_barcia@...
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: (was Henderson vs. Straker) some OT content
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> karl_barcia@y... writes:

>  P.S. What is "canon" and "shippers"? >>

BedsitterOne@a... wrote:
> Canon is anything that  was actually in the original 26 UFO
>episodes.

> Shippers were the X files fans that insisted Mulder and Scully were
> perfect for one other, and wanted the relationSHIPpers.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I looked the word up in the
Collins English Dictionary and it's defined as: "a list of the works
of an author that are accepted as authentic: The Yeats canon".
Your explanation of 'shippers'.. I never would have guessed.  I like
it!

BedsitterOne@a... wrote:
>inventing reasons by using one's imagination is as fun as using
>Straker's facts. :- D
> Amelia

It took an imaginative and inventive mind to have written UFO.

Karl

#4929 From: BedsitterOne@...
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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In a message dated 9/6/01 1:47:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
james.gibbon@... writes:

<< Anyway the presenter credited the two actors, and one of
  them was Ed Bishop, doing a very, very strong Southern drawl.
  No idea what the play was, though.  Anyone have any idea? >>

   I'm wondering if it was a snippet from (Faulkner's) A Light in August, (for
which Ed did all the voices) but maybe someone else caught it and recognized
the play?

Amelia

#4930 From: BedsitterOne@...
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Straker and Dallas
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In a message dated 9/6/01 1:54:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, editor@...
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<< Actually, I place Straker and Foster in Dallas in my new UFO-Dallas cross
  over story on Deborah's SHADO Library - Straker vs J.R. Ewing - in Deep in
  the Heart of Texas - Pam >>

   Straker vs Ewing is small peanuts. Should have put him up against
  (Dynasty's )Alexis Carrington Colby Dexter !   Now there's a feud!  ;- D

Amelia (who could totally see Straker and Krystle together ) <VBG>

#4931 From: Andy Lovie <andy_lovie@...>
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 9:51 am
Subject: Re: Re: Straker and Dallas
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Amelia wrote;

<<Straker vs Ewing is small peanuts. Should have put
him up against(Dynasty's )Alexis Carrington Colby
Dexter !>>

Surely Dallas and Dynasty are UFO
derivatives/spin-offs anyway ? What with Foster's 'it
was all a dream after all' experience in 'Ordeal'
being copied by Pammy in Dallas (talk about 'deja vu
all over again')... and as for Dynasty's trademark big
hair and masses of make-up... Ginny Lake beat them to
it by a decade ! ;^

Andy

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#4932 From: James Gibbon <james.gibbon@...>
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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BedsitterOne@... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/6/01 1:47:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> james.gibbon@... writes:
>
> << Anyway the presenter credited the two actors, and one of
>  them was Ed Bishop, doing a very, very strong Southern drawl.
>  No idea what the play was, though.  Anyone have any idea? >>
>
>   I'm wondering if it was a snippet from (Faulkner's) A Light in
>   August, (for which Ed did all the voices) but maybe someone else
>   caught it and recognized the play?
>

Thanks Amelia, but actually it can't have been that one if Ed
did all the voices as the dialogue was male/female and the
actress who did the female part was mentioned .. I'm afraid I
was half-asleep when I heard it and can't remember her name.

James

#4933 From: "Hemmings, R.K." <rkh@...>
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 1:25 pm
Subject: RE: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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James wrote:

> >   I'm wondering if it was a snippet from (Faulkner's) A Light in
> >   August, (for which Ed did all the voices) but maybe someone else
> >   caught it and recognized the play?
> >
>
> Thanks Amelia, but actually it can't have been that one if Ed
> did all the voices as the dialogue was male/female and the
> actress who did the female part was mentioned .. I'm afraid I
> was half-asleep when I heard it and can't remember her name.

Is there a list of Ed's radio work anywhere?  A nice project
for someone, if not (perhaps more suited to someone on the
EBF list).  What would one call such a thing?  "Filmography"
is generally used for a list of an actor's film appearances,
but radiography is an existing word which has a radically
different meaning (medical x-ray work)..

TTFN
--
Rob

#4934 From: SumitonJD@...
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 9:59 am
Subject: Re: Re: Straker and Dallas
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Well it is all explained by the fact SHADO was involved.  Remember that Emma
Samms character was abducted by aliens and then turned up.  We got her back
and had to give everyone the amnesia shots.  How else do you explain it?

      James K.

#4935 From: SumitonJD@...
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 10:01 am
Subject: Re: (was Henderson vs. Straker) canon
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Perhaps Soundography  or Audiography.


James K.

#4936 From: finamore@...
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 2:39 pm
Subject: Update UFO Merchandise - UFO Comics Germany & UK
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Hi All,

update on ISOSHADO UFO MERCHANDISE COLLECTION

Another PERRY german Comic (Issue 63-'71-'72) which contain UFO
comic; plus update scans for the complete UFO comic from COUNTDOWN
Issue 8.

You can see this updates on the news of:
http://www.ufotv.it
http://www.isoshado.org/

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Angelo Finamore
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The Official Italian UFO fans club
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#4937 From: "Gareth Bevan" <man_in_a_suitcase@...>
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 5:32 pm
Subject: Locations tour?
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This is really just a feeler e-mail, but would anyone be interested in a UFO
locations tour around the south of England? I'm tentatively looking at next
summer - which is why I'm only looking for expressions of interest.

Would people be interested in seeing other ITC/Avengers locations, many of
which are in the same area?

Feedback and ideas please!

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