Yeah...I would think it would be a no-brainer.

Dana

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, slinter@... wrote:
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> Eye of the beholder, I guess.
>
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:05:36 -0000 "D" <cmdrkoenig67@...> writes:
>
> Soooo....Remakes aren't a good idea, unless you like them?
>
> Dana
>
> --- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Taking another source and using it as inspiration for a new story - ie.
> The Tempest (1610) for Forbidden Planet (1956) - is a whole different
> ballgame to a remake.  Planet of the Apes (1968) is an adaptation
> (albeit not terribly close) of a 1963 book.
> >
> > Star Wars was inspired by Flash Gordon, and took some structural
> elements from The Hidden Fortress (1959) and The Searchers (1956) but
> like Forbidden Planet had a great deal more to it than elements borrowed
> from the inspiration.
> >
> > I Am Legend (1954) has been made three times:Â  The Last Man on Earth
> (1963), The Omega Man (1971) and I am Legend (2007).  Yes it is a bit
> slack to keep making the same books again and again, but none of the
> extant versions is really a good, close adaptation.
> >
> > None of the adaptations does justice to The War of the Worlds (1898),
> and until someone does a decent job of it set in the 1890s it will be a
> futile exercise.
> >
> > The Time Machine (1895) was definitively filmed in 1960, but a TV
> remake appeared in 1978 and another theatrical version in 2002.  Neither
> of the latter two versions is worth a damn.
> >
> > The Thing (1982) were drastically different to the original; it was a
> proper adaptation of the 1934 short story Who Goes There?.
> >
> > The Fly (1957) was faithfully adapted in 1958, so the 1986 Cronenberg
> film is redundant, but at least it took a very different approach to the
> material.
> >
> > Taking an existing book or stage play and redoing it is different
> because there is room for interpretation; each reader visualises in her
> or his own way.  Taking Julius Ceasar and filming it again is like
> staging another stage production, so it is ok.  Taking a film original
> which is already visualised completely is another kettle of fish, and is
> creatively more bankrupt.  As I have said above, taking inspirations
> from other sources is fine because you are not actually remaking.
> >
> > Flash Gordon (1934) was initially a comic stip, and a series of
> novels.  Filmed in 1936 (with sequels in 1938, 1940) there was a live TV
> series in 1954-5, an animated series 1979-82 and of course the 1980
> film.  The recent TV series was a complete reimagining that fell flat on
> its face.  Once again, there is more of a precident for remaking because
> it has a literary base, although the comic stip was the true projenitor.
> >
> > The Blob remake (1988) is a waste of time; as the 1958 film was an
> original thoroughly visualised original.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > --- On Mon, 16/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@> wrote:
> >
> > From: D <cmdrkoenig67@>
> > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> > To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 6:05
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> > How is "Forbidden Planet" any less a remake/reimagining of William
> Shakespeare' s "The Tempest"? "Planet of the Apes" is based on the book
> "Monkey Planet", yet it differs quite a bit from the novel and it's been
> remade. "The Office" is an American remake of a British TV series, yet it
> seems to be doing very well and it is well-liked. "Star Wars" is a combo
> of "Flash Gordon" and "The Hidden Fortress" (1955), is it less of a
> remake? Does that make Star Wars creatively bankrupt? "I Am Legend" is a
> remake of a remake of a remake of a book. How many times has "War of The
> Worlds" been remade? "The Time Machine" (remade several times), "The
> Fly", the above-mentioned "Flash Gordon" (which is being remade again),
> "The Thing", "The Blob" and too many more to be named.
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> > Dana
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> >
> > --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, slinter@ wrote:
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> >
> > > DITTO!!!!! Bang on, Yul. One of my biggest beefs is when someone
> >
> > > "remakes" a classic, and calls it creativity. Most of the time, the
> end
> >
> > > product bears scant resemblance to the original. Surely not what made
> it
> >
> > > such a classic in the first place.
> >
> > > Hell's Bells, would you "remake" the Cistine Chapel? The classics
> should
> >
> > > be left alone!
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> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:03:55 -0800 (PST) Yul Tolbert
> >
> > > <yul_tolbert@ ...> writes:
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> > > Remakes may be a fact of life, but that doesn't mean everything has
> to be
> >
> > > a remake. If current trends continue, there might be nothing but
> remakes
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> > > and original thinking may come to an end.
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> > > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@ ...> wrote:
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> > > From: D <cmdrkoenig67@ ...>
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> > > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> >
> > > To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:16 AM
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> > > There will ALWAYS be remakes (and nearly EVERYTHING will be
> remade...At
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> > > some point)...I really don't know why people have such a hard time
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> > > How many times has Dracula or Frankenstein been remade or reimagined?
> How
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> > > many times have the works of Shakespeare been remade or reimagined?
> >
> > > Stories by H.G. Wells, Edgar Allan Poe and even Stephen King...Many
> of
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> > > their stories have been made into films or TV films and many have
> been
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> > > remade...And will be remade AGAIN.
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> > > Isn't it about time y'all got used to the concept of remakes?
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Huh..."Sexualizing" him how?  By having him actually have feelings for somebody?
He DID have a family in the original stories too, you know?  He had a
granddaughter...The second Doctor also refers to his family being alive in his
memories and the Seventh Doctor also refers to a family, yet he is unsure if any
of them are still alive somewhere.  I don't see how he's being "sexualized" in
the new series...Made more emotional, yes...But it's not like we see him doing
the nasty with Rose on the Console room floor (bleh). :P

Dana

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, "lainavi" <lainavi@...> wrote:
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> Absolutely correct, Rick.  not to mention sexualizing the formerly asexual
Doctor, an aspect which i found unique and wholly refreshing.
>
> And as you said, it's now just yet another modern style sci-fi series with
nothing to make it special or stand out.
>
> --- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@> wrote:
> >
> > ...It used to be that Who was different to any other sci-fi show, but now it
seems to cater for the US market.  RTD has claimed that his favourite TV show
of all time is Buffy, and it shows.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > --- On Wed, 18/11/09, slinter@ <slinter@> wrote:
> >
> > From: slinter@ <slinter@>
> > Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> > To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 10:17
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> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0000 "D" <cmdrkoenig67@ yahoo.com> writes:
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> > New Who isn't a remake, though...It' s a continuation and your opinion of
> >
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> > --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@ ...>
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> > > New Doctor Who lacks the originallity, wit and charm of the original;
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> > which is a classic.  Battlestar Galactica on the other hand was never
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> > much good, despite having an interesting idea at its core.  The ramke,
> >
> > whilst grim, is infinately superior.  One of the rare remakes to top the
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> > > --- On Mon, 16/11/09, lainavi <lainavi@ > wrote:
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> > > From: lainavi <lainavi@ >
> >
> > > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
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> > > To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 0:45
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> > > > To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
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> > >
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> > > > From: kerryendacotte@ ...
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> > > > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:14:58 +0000
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> > > > Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
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> > > > > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
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--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, "lainavi" <lainavi@...> wrote:
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> Absolutely correct, Rick.  not to mention sexualizing the formerly asexual
Doctor, an aspect which i found unique and wholly refreshing.
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> And as you said, it's now just yet another modern style sci-fi series with
nothing to make it special or stand out.
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> --- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@> wrote:
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> > ...It used to be that Who was different to any other sci-fi show, but now it
seems to cater for the US market.  RTD has claimed that his favourite TV show
of all time is Buffy, and it shows.
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> > Rick
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> > --- On Wed, 18/11/09, slinter@ <slinter@> wrote:
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> > From: slinter@ <slinter@>
> > Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> > To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 10:17
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> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0000 "D" <cmdrkoenig67@ yahoo.com> writes:
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> > > --- On Mon, 16/11/09, lainavi <lainavi@ > wrote:
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> > > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
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> > > > From: kerryendacotte@ ...
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> > > > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:14:58 +0000
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> > > > Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
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I doubt that...Probably all that has happened in the new film(s) is that an
alternate timeline was created...The altered events create a new timeline/a new
alternate universe that branches off from the original.

Dana

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, "David Sobral" <dsobral@...> wrote:
>
> Actually, the new "Star Trek" film completely destroys exsisting "history" as
we have known it. According to this film, EVERYTHING that occurred & all the
episodes we've watched over the decades will now never "happen". No TOS, no TNG,
DS9, VOY (although "Enterprise" emerges unscathed with the new Scotty stating he
was being punished for making "Admiral Archers'" dog disappear in a transporter
experiment).
>
> There is a graphic novel out now, serving as a prequel to the new film wherein
Captain Picard, Data & Geordi help "our" Spock develop the process to create a
singularity with the red matter. Of course, once Nero goes through the resulting
black hole, those guys become extinct.
>
> The story of Spocks' origin remains untouched (until his mothers' death of
course) as the destruction of the Kelvin by Nero really has no impact on Vulcan
history. Kirks', of course, is totally altered with the death of his father on
said ship as is Captain Pikes'. No meeting with the Talosians for him.
>
> Near as I can tell, the ONLY continuity error in the new film is that Kirks'
older brother Sam is not mentioned. In the deleted scenes, there's a sequence
where the younger Kirk is talking to a kid named "Johnny" & he is referred to as
his brother. Wrong! Of course, it was deleted so, it doesn't count. The same kid
is seen hitchhiking as young Kirk drives by in his fathers' "borrowed" car. Of
course, a name change for such a minor character wouldn't be too big a deal
since the episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" refers to Kirks' two neices
which are never mentioned again. In "Operation: Annhilate", we suddenly meet
Kirks' nephew with no mention of him having two sisters.
>
> As I said, that's pretty much the only continuity error. Remember, though...as
soon as the USS Kelvin is destroyed, Kirks' ENTIRE "future life" is totally
altered affecting everything from when he went to Starfleet Academy to his
meetings with the rest of his future crew.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: D
>   To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:38 AM
>   Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
>
>
>
>   Why compare fictional history to actual history? Altering the continuity of
Star Trek (if the new film does indeed do that, although, I've heard the
contrary) is a far cry to historians altering true historical events. Doing so
would render the altered historical events fiction (it's been done on TV and in
films...Both new and classic Doctor Who is a prime example of this).
>
>   Dana
>
>   --- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, "James R. Rowings, J.D." <notserp1344@>
wrote:
>   >
>   > I don't feel the remakes is the problem as much as these so called
>   > "reimagning" efforts. If it's a "reimagining" I'm not
>   > sure why they didn't call it something else.
>   >
>   > I don't understand the rationale of leaving an original name on
>   > something that has been so heavily modified. Any of the
>   > original fan base they hope to gain by pulling them in with the name
>   > they lose because of the changes they make.
>   >
>   > Take the recent "Battlestar Galactica" series. If it hadn't been called
>   > Galactica, I might have watched it, but it was too different to be
>   > Galactica. So little remained of the original it was referred to on the
>   > blogs/discussion boards as
>   > GINO - Galactica In Name Only A couple of issues I had with it centered
>   > around the producers before it came out, one where
>   > David Eick was claiming to calm the fears of fans that "It will be done
>   > right." (In my opinion, blew right off the bat.) And that another,
>   > perhaps the special effects guy, claiming you never knew in the original
>   > where the vipers came out of the battlestar even though it was
>   > shown several times, but he would see to it in the new one that would be
>   > corrected. Having watched new miniseries twice, I never saw
>   > that addressed. Their claim of changing several main characters from
>   > male to female was "men and women fight alongside each other in
>   > today's military, and we want to reflect that." The producers must not
>   > have seen the original, as yes, there were women in the military, and
>   > even as fighter pilots.
>   >
>   > That's why there has been news stories of the past few months that Glen
>   > Larson is close to finalizing a deal that was in the works just before the
>   > RECENT Galactica came about to do a movie on the ORIGINAL Galactica. If
>   > the recent had been truer to form, there wouldn't be a need for
>   > this movie.
>   >
>   > My similar feelings about the new Star Trek movie....New actors - I can
>   > deal with. Going back to before the original series, Fine. Changing the
>   > timeline to where Vulcan and Romulus are destroyed, I could have likely
>   > accepted -- But changing the look and feel of the uniforms and
>   > Enterprise...TOO MUCH.
>   > WHY IS IT STILL STAR TREK? And a minor point (unless you live in the
>   > Trek Universe) but the moving of the planet Delta Vega close to Vulcan.
>   > When asked
>   > at an interview, the writer said, "I like to think of Delta Vega being
>   > closer to Vulcan." WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK AUSTRALIA IS NEXT DOOR TO
>   > THE UK, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!
>   >
>   > A friend of mine who is also a big Trek fan said if you want to see
>   > something new, that is better than nothing, and it was done to appeal to
>   > the "new generation". I told her
>   > I would then rather keep the reruns, and why do the new generation (or
>   > perhaps more accurately the producers) need to not live in (fictional)
>   > reality? If we tell a historical
>   > movie, do we change that? Why not embellish the burning of Rome by
>   > having Nero play an electric guitar. Or Shakespeare writing his plays
>   > with a word processor. Or instead
>   > of the Guy Fawkes Gun Powder Plot, his nuclear detonator didn't go off
>   > so he didn't get to destroy Parliament. Or the American Revolution -
>   > George Washington is now female,
>   > Ben Franklin was gay, Thomas Jefferson was not very intelligent and
>   > couldn't write, but they won the war with England because of the defense
>   > contracts the colonials made with Haliburton.
>   >
>   > I would like to see new with Space: 1999 - such as a REMAKE, but in the
>   > current climate, I'm afraid it would be just like the above - Too
>   > different and name only.
>   >
>   > Jim
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > D wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Space:1999 is itself a remake of sorts, based on both UFO and 2001: A
>   > > Space Odyssey. Does that make Space:1999 creatively bankrupt too?
>   > >
>   > > Dana
>   > >
>   > > --- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>   > > <mailto:OnlineAlpha%40yahoogroups.com>, "D" <cmdrkoenig67@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > How is "Forbidden Planet" any less a remake/reimagining of William
>   > > Shakespeare's "The Tempest"? "Planet of the Apes" is based on the book
>   > > "Monkey Planet", yet it differs quite a bit from the novel and it's
>   > > been remade. "The Office" is an American remake of a British TV
>   > > series, yet it seems to be doing very well and it is well-liked. "Star
>   > > Wars" is a combo of "Flash Gordon" and "The Hidden Fortress" (1955),
>   > > is it less of a remake? Does that make Star Wars creatively bankrupt?
>   > > "I Am Legend" is a remake of a remake of a remake of a book. How many
>   > > times has "War of The Worlds" been remade? "The Time Machine" (remade
>   > > several times), "The Fly", the above-mentioned "Flash Gordon" (which
>   > > is being remade again), "The Thing", "The Blob" and too many more to
>   > > be named.
>   > > >
>   > > > Dana
>   > > >
>   > > > --- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>   > > <mailto:OnlineAlpha%40yahoogroups.com>, slinter@ wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > DITTO!!!!! Bang on, Yul. One of my biggest beefs is when someone
>   > > > > "remakes" a classic, and calls it creativity. Most of the time,
>   > > the end
>   > > > > product bears scant resemblance to the original. Surely not what
>   > > made it
>   > > > > such a classic in the first place.
>   > > > > Hell's Bells, would you "remake" the Cistine Chapel? The classics
>   > > should
>   > > > > be left alone!
>   > > > >
>   > > > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:03:55 -0800 (PST) Yul Tolbert
>   > > > > <yul_tolbert@> writes:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Remakes may be a fact of life, but that doesn't mean everything
>   > > has to be
>   > > > > a remake. If current trends continue, there might be nothing but
>   > > remakes
>   > > > > and original thinking may come to an end.
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > -- Yul
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@> wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > From: D <cmdrkoenig67@>
>   > > > > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
>   > > > > To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:OnlineAlpha%40yahoogroups.com>
>   > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:16 AM
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > There will ALWAYS be remakes (and nearly EVERYTHING will be
>   > > remade...At
>   > > > > some point)...I really don't know why people have such a hard time
>   > > > > grasping that.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > How many times has Dracula or Frankenstein been remade or
>   > > reimagined? How
>   > > > > many times have the works of Shakespeare been remade or reimagined?
>   > > > > Stories by H.G. Wells, Edgar Allan Poe and even Stephen King...Many
of
>   > > > > their stories have been made into films or TV films and many have
been
>   > > > > remade...And will be remade AGAIN.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Isn't it about time y'all got used to the concept of remakes?
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Why ask why? It seems kind of pointless to whine about it.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Dana
>   > > > >
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Um...I already said that, Rick...You obviously missed my post about it.

Dana

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...> wrote:
>
> New Doctor Who is not a remake, but a continuation; it respects and references
the past constantly.
>
> Rick
>
> --- On Wed, 18/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@...> wrote:
>
> From: D <cmdrkoenig67@...>
> Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 10:38
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Why compare fictional history to actual history?  Altering the
continuity of Star Trek (if the new film does indeed do that, although, I've
heard the contrary) is a far cry to historians altering true historical events. 
Doing so would render the altered historical events fiction (it's been done on
TV and in films...Both new and classic Doctor Who is a prime example of this).
>
>
>
> Dana
>
>
>
> --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, "James R. Rowings, J.D." <notserp1344@
...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I don't feel the remakes is the problem as much as these so called
>
> > "reimagning" efforts. If it's a "reimagining" I'm not
>
> > sure why they didn't call it something else.
>
> >
>
> > I don't understand the rationale of leaving an original name on
>
> > something that has been so heavily modified. Any of the
>
> > original fan base they hope to gain by pulling them in with the name
>
> > they lose because of the changes they make.
>
> >
>
> > Take the recent "Battlestar Galactica" series. If it hadn't been called
>
> > Galactica, I might have watched it, but it was too different to be
>
> > Galactica. So little remained of the original it was referred to on the
>
> > blogs/discussion boards as
>
> > GINO - Galactica In Name Only A couple of issues I had with it centered
>
> > around the producers before it came out, one where
>
> > David Eick was claiming to calm the fears of fans that "It will be done
>
> > right." (In my opinion, blew right off the bat.) And that another,
>
> > perhaps the special effects guy, claiming you never knew in the original
>
> > where the vipers came out of the battlestar even though it was
>
> > shown several times, but he would see to it in the new one that would be
>
> > corrected. Having watched new miniseries twice, I never saw
>
> > that addressed. Their claim of changing several main characters from
>
> > male to female was "men and women fight alongside each other in
>
> > today's military, and we want to reflect that." The producers must not
>
> > have seen the original, as yes, there were women in the military, and
>
> > even as fighter pilots.
>
> >
>
> > That's why there has been news stories of the past few months that Glen
>
> > Larson is close to finalizing a deal that was in the works just before the
>
> > RECENT Galactica came about to do a movie on the ORIGINAL Galactica. If
>
> > the recent had been truer to form, there wouldn't be a need for
>
> > this movie.
>
> >
>
> > My similar feelings about the new Star Trek movie....New actors - I can
>
> > deal with. Going back to before the original series, Fine. Changing the
>
> > timeline to where Vulcan and Romulus are destroyed, I could have likely
>
> > accepted -- But changing the look and feel of the uniforms and
>
> > Enterprise.. .TOO MUCH.
>
> > WHY IS IT STILL STAR TREK? And a minor point (unless you live in the
>
> > Trek Universe) but the moving of the planet Delta Vega close to Vulcan.
>
> > When asked
>
> > at an interview, the writer said, "I like to think of Delta Vega being
>
> > closer to Vulcan." WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK AUSTRALIA IS NEXT DOOR TO
>
> > THE UK, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!
>
> >
>
> > A friend of mine who is also a big Trek fan said if you want to see
>
> > something new, that is better than nothing, and it was done to appeal to
>
> > the "new generation". I told her
>
> > I would then rather keep the reruns, and why do the new generation (or
>
> > perhaps more accurately the producers) need to not live in (fictional)
>
> > reality? If we tell a historical
>
> > movie, do we change that? Why not embellish the burning of Rome by
>
> > having Nero play an electric guitar. Or Shakespeare writing his plays
>
> > with a word processor. Or instead
>
> > of the Guy Fawkes Gun Powder Plot, his nuclear detonator didn't go off
>
> > so he didn't get to destroy Parliament. Or the American Revolution -
>
> > George Washington is now female,
>
> > Ben Franklin was gay, Thomas Jefferson was not very intelligent and
>
> > couldn't write, but they won the war with England because of the defense
>
> > contracts the colonials made with Haliburton.
>
> >
>
> > I would like to see new with Space: 1999 - such as a REMAKE, but in the
>
> > current climate, I'm afraid it would be just like the above - Too
>
> > different and name only.
>
> >
>
> > Jim
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > D wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Space:1999 is itself a remake of sorts, based on both UFO and 2001: A
>
> > > Space Odyssey. Does that make Space:1999 creatively bankrupt too?
>
> > >
>
> > > Dana
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > > <mailto:OnlineAlpha %40yahoogroups. com>, "D" <cmdrkoenig67@ > wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > How is "Forbidden Planet" any less a remake/reimagining of William
>
> > > Shakespeare' s "The Tempest"? "Planet of the Apes" is based on the book
>
> > > "Monkey Planet", yet it differs quite a bit from the novel and it's
>
> > > been remade. "The Office" is an American remake of a British TV
>
> > > series, yet it seems to be doing very well and it is well-liked. "Star
>
> > > Wars" is a combo of "Flash Gordon" and "The Hidden Fortress" (1955),
>
> > > is it less of a remake? Does that make Star Wars creatively bankrupt?
>
> > > "I Am Legend" is a remake of a remake of a remake of a book. How many
>
> > > times has "War of The Worlds" been remade? "The Time Machine" (remade
>
> > > several times), "The Fly", the above-mentioned "Flash Gordon" (which
>
> > > is being remade again), "The Thing", "The Blob" and too many more to
>
> > > be named.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Dana
>
> > > >
>
> > > > --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > > <mailto:OnlineAlpha %40yahoogroups. com>, slinter@ wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > DITTO!!!!! Bang on, Yul. One of my biggest beefs is when someone
>
> > > > > "remakes" a classic, and calls it creativity. Most of the time,
>
> > > the end
>
> > > > > product bears scant resemblance to the original. Surely not what
>
> > > made it
>
> > > > > such a classic in the first place.
>
> > > > > Hell's Bells, would you "remake" the Cistine Chapel? The classics
>
> > > should
>
> > > > > be left alone!
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:03:55 -0800 (PST) Yul Tolbert
>
> > > > > <yul_tolbert@ > writes:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Remakes may be a fact of life, but that doesn't mean everything
>
> > > has to be
>
> > > > > a remake. If current trends continue, there might be nothing but
>
> > > remakes
>
> > > > > and original thinking may come to an end.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > -- Yul
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@ > wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > From: D <cmdrkoenig67@ >
>
> > > > > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
>
> > > > > To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:OnlineAlpha %40yahoogroups.
com>
>
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:16 AM
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > There will ALWAYS be remakes (and nearly EVERYTHING will be
>
> > > remade...At
>
> > > > > some point)...I really don't know why people have such a hard time
>
> > > > > grasping that.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > How many times has Dracula or Frankenstein been remade or
>
> > > reimagined? How
>
> > > > > many times have the works of Shakespeare been remade or reimagined?
>
> > > > > Stories by H.G. Wells, Edgar Allan Poe and even Stephen King...Many of
>
> > > > > their stories have been made into films or TV films and many have been
>
> > > > > remade...And will be remade AGAIN.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Isn't it about time y'all got used to the concept of remakes?
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Why ask why? It seems kind of pointless to whine about it.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Dana
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
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Alphans,

Well, I am way behind on reading OA postings, but I hope everyone has
been well.

I do have updates at Space: 1999 Metaforms to mention.

The Space: 1999 Knowledgebase is now available in two additional
formats.  In addition to the original style (where you select an
option, and for that option, all entries are displayed in a single
large webpage, heavily intra-linked within itself), there are now two
new variants:

* A multi-page format where each entry has its own small page.  You
are first brought to a Table of Contents page that is only the TOC,
linking to the various small pages, which link to each other and back
to the TOC.

* A hybrid format where all entries are on one main page like the
original format, but where most entry titles are a link to a small
page dedicated to that entry, and linking to others, and back to the
main page.

On some of the small pages, there can be one or more images.  Some
images can be clicked for a larger version.

Also, I've added more cross-checks that have allowed me to eliminate
remaining broken links from within the KB itself.  These should rarely
occur within the KB again.  Links to sites outside the KB can still
sometimes fail -- that is not entirely avoidable.

Note:  The KB is still in initial development, with plenty more
entries to be added and further expansion of many of the existing
entries.  Additional images will be added over time as well.  So if
some pages look highly incomplete or even just a haphazard collection
of some "random" details, check back once and awhile.  :-)

The revamped introduction page --
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/s19kb.htm
-- lists the various formats.  This is the best place to start (there
is a link to this same page from the main page of the Metaforms
website); but if you wish, here are a few sample links to particular
pages, probably among the more developed pages (some more than
others):

http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/epi.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/1a.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/2a.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/eag.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/jk.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/hr.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/maya.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/planets.htm
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/kb/2v/psychon.htm

****

Also, elsewhere, I have added a couple of pages, still in development,
to the Snapshots section of Metaforms:
* Gallery of Planets; and
* Episode Title Cards.

****

I hope you enjoy these updates, and please feel free to post comments
on any of this.

Thanks,

----
David
Space: 1999 Metaforms
http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/

Chip

Interesting point, but it might take me a couple of days to answer!

Kerry

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Chip Bell <shf84@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about diversity I'm talking about your trans story. I don't
like using sci fi fics as a means to talk about issues such as transsexualism
and acceptance etc. It feels like the show has been hijacked to make points
about social issues. Feels like being preached at instead of entertained.
>
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> From: kerryendacotte@...
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:47:55 +0000
> Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] /
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> I am not being political...rather trying to illustrate why Diversity
>
> is the spice of life and by making crude and poorly illustrated and
>
> ill-educated comparisons to types of residents to different parts of a
>
> country or planet i do not believe is just why diversity is so so
>
> important!
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>
>
> Kerry
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>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Chip Bell <shf84@...> wrote:
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>>
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>> Slash to me is really gross given I'm a strait man but I don't see any thing
wrong with writing it. I isn't much in the way of fan fiction though more like
erotica.
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>>
>
>> My sister likes the Dukes of Hazzard and boy is it full of slash we have
often laughed our asses off at some of the Bo/Luke scenarios they came up with
>
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>> As to using space 1999 to push a political view point. I personally don't
like to do that. It's supping osed to be about science not about politics.
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I'm not talking about diversity I'm talking about your trans story. I don't like
using sci fi fics as a means to talk about issues such as transsexualism and
acceptance etc. It feels like the show has been hijacked to make points about
social issues. Feels like being preached at instead of entertained.

To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
From: kerryendacotte@...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:47:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] /




























       Chip



I am not being political...rather trying to illustrate why Diversity

is the spice of life and by making crude and poorly illustrated and

ill-educated comparisons to types of residents to different parts of a

country or planet i do not believe is just why diversity is so so

important!



Kerry



On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Chip Bell <shf84@...> wrote:

>

> Slash to me is really gross given I'm a strait man but I don't see any thing
wrong with writing it. I isn't much in the way of fan fiction though more like
erotica.

>

> My sister likes the Dukes of Hazzard and boy is it full of slash we have often
laughed our asses off at some of the Bo/Luke scenarios they came up with

>

> As to using space 1999 to push a political view point. I personally don't like
to do that. It's supping osed to be about science not about politics.



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Chip

I am not being political...rather trying to illustrate why Diversity
is the spice of life and by making crude and poorly illustrated and
ill-educated comparisons to types of residents to different parts of a
country or planet i do not believe is just why diversity is so so
important!

Kerry

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Chip Bell <shf84@...> wrote:
>
> Slash to me is really gross given I'm a strait man but I don't see any thing
wrong with writing it. I isn't much in the way of fan fiction though more like
erotica.
>
> My sister likes the Dukes of Hazzard and boy is it full of slash we have often
laughed our asses off at some of the Bo/Luke scenarios they came up with
>
> As to using space 1999 to push a political view point. I personally don't like
to do that. It's supping osed to be about science not about politics.

>
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> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.
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To everything that was......
To everything that might of been

Prof Victor Bergman and Comdr John  Koenig Space 1999:Black Sun

Slash to me is really gross given I'm a strait man but I don't see any thing
wrong with writing it. I isn't much in the way of fan fiction though more like
erotica.

My sister likes the Dukes of Hazzard and boy is it full of slash we have often
laughed our asses off at some of the Bo/Luke scenarios they came up with

As to using space 1999 to push a political view point. I personally don't like
to do that. It's supposed to be about science not about politics.


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Slinter

Maybe, there is a difference between British Fandom than that of the
other side of the pond. It, is certainly true if i believe a number of
Trek guests i have met (or at least then) they said we're  more
polite!

  I have/ know of K/S and other simular ideas play'd out with other
series. I was amazed about five years ago, to discover simular type
stories written about 'The Proffessionals'  but can allow others
freedom of expression. British fandom has always previously been said
to be more diverse..that  your more extreme views I feel would be
questioned.. I am reminded that when Star Wars: Phantom Mence opened
that there was a physical fight on the steps of the cinema in the
States between StarWars Fans and Trekkies,. This was is an example of
being unable to be diverse and accepting another view point!!! Indeed
a former partner used to write Buffy and Lord of the Rings SLASH. A
previous friend wrote Riker, Wolf, Data slash and certainly joked
about Data being designed to pleasure in all areas. I never read any
of the stuff..never felt i had too or was interested..I did however
once read a review of Kirk/Spock story on a Roman type world were all
types of sexual actitivty happened, were our hero's are enslaved
tortured frequently and gain a better life for themselves by endulging
in such.....something Plato's StepChildren shows.

It, is interesting that you hold a strong views...which there is
nothing wrong with but when asked 'what you see in Space 1999,
science, story etc., you either refuse, or simple don't answer, a
whole view rather than just contribution to other posts? I, would
surely think beyond disagreeing with an enthic diverse population, you
would want to say science, story etc., or are you fearful you might
face some sort of backlash given another on this board has said you
like to snipe, be controversial and of other little substance?

I would quote  the French philospher 'I do not believe in what you say
but i will fight to my death to give you the right to say it' That as
they say is democarcy and democarcy allows and encourages
inderviuality and inderviual thought. I see Science fiction as a tool
to educate as well as entertain...It was extremly interesting to once
see alongside a Western Version and Russian version of Robbinson
Cursoe and how the stories differed, that again is diversity and using
a story to entertain and educate?

Thought is not limited to colour of skin or where you come from in the
world.! As a Trek fan  i am bound to ask what do you think of the
concept IDIC, Infinate Diversity In Infinate Combinations..or are you
for Infinate Diversity in limited forms? Again another reason why i
ask what do you see, what appeals?

Science Fiction in the former Soviet Block was actitvly discouraged
and banned because it did just that caused or asked people to question
a single accepted view! You, say happy birthday on the demise of The
Berlin Wall but there are  SF stories that choose to make Cominism the
basis of the culture they are from and want to export such ideas to
the stars, would you deny such a view, or freedom of choice?

I asked previously were you lived, what you did as a job?...You didn't
answer, and you don't have to...however  i would always look try to
understand something of the person i talk to. As a Brit looking at the
states i could view you as someone who lives in the South were jokes
are made of such residents being inbred, of brother sleeping with
sisters, of the bible belt, were there is but one book and nothing
esle counts. These are extreme and uneducated views that diversity
breaks down? I am reminded that UFO, worst episode Reflections in
Water we are shown film, footage of my area of the world Cornwall,
which enhances the view that nice holiday desination for those
eslewhere in the country but no other investment is much  encouraged
and the place otherwise is shut for 6months of the year!! We are also
seen as backward! I could equally write of Newcastle Upon Tyne, which
some in this country see as residents who are permenantly drunk
incapable of using a knife and fork!!

I have just been online and looked for your identity to see what comes
up and if you are indeed the same 'Andrew' and live in Washington
State, i am remined that this is an American Terrirtory that i could
so easily write the questionable National Rifle Associoation holds a
large sway, hates interfearence from national goverment and that it is
one of those states,a residents committed the worst American Terrorist
Attrocity in American History before 9/11.....BUT i would not judge
all in that state of being homegrown terrorists!

Kerry


On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:10 PM,  <slinter@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mr. Bell, I have to admit I like that pithy little maxim. Bricks and the
> wall.
>
>
>
> ===========
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:42:42 +0000 Chip Bell <shf84@...> writes:
>>
>> The rights of the individual must be met. To call individual rights
>> "selfish " or "greedy" is the mind set of a human rights violator
>> The problem with socialist systems is that they are all about the
>> society. BUT society's are made out of individuals. If you ignore
>> the bricks you ruin the wall.
>>
>> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>> From: miramar1@...
>> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:34:35 -0600
>> Subject: RE: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Diversity
>>
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>>       I Just had to reply to this.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com]
>>
>> On Behalf Of stwain12000
>>
>> Sent: November 16, 2009 6:01 PM
>>
>> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Diversity
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is why in a world full of dolts that are "all bout me", "mine,
>>
>> mine, mine" & "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" that any kind
>> of
>>
>> intelligent conversation cannot be had.
>>
>> What wrong here is that it is all about the individual bettering
>>
>> themselves and not wanting government to do it for them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Until the world of Gene Roddenberry is at hand will all be right
>> (And I
>>
>> don't mean the Enterprise, Warp Speed, etc... Take out all the
>> Hollywood
>>
>> & Glitz/Glam, F/X, & listen to the story, whats being said such as
>> in
>>
>> "First Contact" Picard stating "No need for wealth or money & we
>> strive
>>
>> to become better human beings or something of that nature.
>>
>> The above statement is "science fiction", Roddenberry was a boarder
>> line
>>
>> communist from a political standpoint. His utopian view of our
>> future is
>>
>> impossible to achieve. Mankind cannot and will not ever stop being
>>
>> greedy. Greed is what drives every part of our existence.
>>
>>
>>
>> Until we get over ourselves on the concerns of money, religion,
>> greed,
>>
>> boarders, etc... We're all doomed.
>>
>>  doomed if we ever achieve the above statement.
>>
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>> Don
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To everything that was......
To everything that might of been

Prof Victor Bergman and Comdr John  Koenig Space 1999:Black Sun

Slinter

Maybe, there is a difference between British Fandom than that of the
other side of the pond. It, is certainly true if i believe a number of
Trek guests i have met (or at least then) they said we're  more
polite!

  I have/ know of K/S and other simular ideas play'd out with other
series. I was amazed about five years ago, to discover simular type
stories written about 'The Proffessionals'  but can allow others
freedom of expression. British fandom has always previously been said
to be more diverse..that  your more extreme views I feel would be
questioned.. I am reminded that when Star Wars: Phantom Mence opened
that there was a physical fight on the steps of the cinema in the
States between StarWars Fans and Trekkies,. This was is an example of
being unable to be diverse and accepting another view point!!! Indeed
a former partner used to write Buffy and Lord of the Rings SLASH. A
previous friend wrote Riker, Wolf, Data slash and certainly joked
about Data being designed to pleasure in all areas. I never read any
of the stuff..never felt i had too or was interested..I did however
once read a review of Kirk/Spock story on a Roman type world were all
types of sexual actitivty happened, were our hero's are enslaved
tortured frequently and gain a better life for themselves by endulging
in such.....something Plato's StepChildren shows.

It, is interesting that you hold a strong views...which there is
nothing wrong with but when asked 'what you see in Space 1999,
science, story etc., you either refuse, or simple don't answer, a
whole view rather than just contribution to other posts? I, would
surely think beyond disagreeing with an enthic diverse population, you
would want to say science, story etc., or are you fearful you might
face some sort of backlash given another on this board has said you
like to snipe, be controversial and of other little substance?

I would quote  the French philospher 'I do not believe in what you say
but i will fight to my death to give you the right to say it' That as
they say is democarcy and democarcy allows and encourages
inderviuality and inderviual thought. I see Science fiction as a tool
to educate as well as entertain...It was extremly interesting to once
see alongside a Western Version and Russian version of Robbinson
Cursoe and how the stories differed, that again is diversity and using
a story to entertain and educate?

Thought is not limited to colour of skin or where you come from in the
world.! As a Trek fan  i am bound to ask what do you think of the
concept IDIC, Infinate Diversity In Infinate Combinations..or are you
for Infinate Diversity in limited forms? Again another reason why i
ask what do you see, what appeals?

Science Fiction in the former Soviet Block was actitvly discouraged
and banned because it did just that caused or asked people to question
a single accepted view! You, say happy birthday on the demise of The
Berlin Wall but there are  SF stories that choose to make Cominism the
basis of the culture they are from and want to export such ideas to
the stars, would you deny such a view, or freedom of choice?

I asked previously were you lived, what you did as a job?...You didn't
answer, and you don't have to...however  i would always look try to
understand something of the person i talk to. As a Brit looking at the
states i could view you as someone who lives in the South were jokes
are made of such residents being inbred, of brother sleeping with
sisters, of the bible belt, were there is but one book and nothing
esle counts. These are extreme and uneducated views that diversity
breaks down? I am reminded that UFO, worst episode Reflections in
Water we are shown film, footage of my area of the world Cornwall,
which enhances the view that nice holiday desination for those
eslewhere in the country but no other investment is much  encouraged
and the place otherwise is shut for 6months of the year!! We are also
seen as backward! I could equally write of Newcastle Upon Tyne, which
some in this country see as residents who are permenantly drunk
incapable of using a knife and fork!!

I have just been online and looked for your identity to see what comes
up and if you are indeed the same 'Andrew' and live in Washington
State, i am remined that this is an American Terrirtory that i could
so easily write the questionable National Rifle Associoation holds a
large sway, hates interfearence from national goverment and that it is
one of those states,a residents committed the worst American Terrorist
Attrocity in American History before 9/11.....BUT i would not judge
all in that state of being homegrown terrorists!

Kerry





On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 4:19 AM,  <tenmans38@...> wrote:
> Now this reminds me of those old Kirk/Spock sex bondage
> with each other Fansic story's back in the 1970's.In those
> days it was all put on paper. I did not read that trash then
> but agreed with other Trekkies/Trekkers (we were trekkies
> first)that it should be used at the bottom of bird cages for
> Crapping purposes.
>
>
> Posted by: "Kerry Endacotte"
> Alphans
>
> Lets be a little controversial on this subject . As said  (perhaps a
> little at Slinter's expense)previously i am Transexual.I toy'd  about
> with the idea of writing a fanfic arround this subject, on  Alpha.
>
>
>
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--
To everything that was......
To everything that might of been

Prof Victor Bergman and Comdr John  Koenig Space 1999:Black Sun

That's what I said.  He use to be asexual and that made the character unique,
now he's like any other hero...

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...> wrote:
>
> But it isn't unique because 90% of TV shows sexualise their characters; the
Dr. wasn't and that is what made it unique.
>
> Rick
>
> --- On Fri, 20/11/09, lainavi <lainavi@...> wrote:
>
> From: lainavi <lainavi@...>
> Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 3:11
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Absolutely correct, Rick.  not to mention sexualizing the formerly
asexual Doctor, an aspect which i found unique and wholly refreshing.
>
>
>
> And as you said, it's now just yet another modern style sci-fi series with
nothing to make it special or stand out.
>
>
>
> --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@ ...>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > ...It used to be that Who was different to any other sci-fi show, but now it
seems to cater for the US market.  RTD has claimed that his favourite TV show
of all time is Buffy, and it shows.
>
> >
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Now this reminds me of those old Kirk/Spock sex bondage
with each other Fansic story's back in the 1970's.In those
days it was all put on paper. I did not read that trash then
but agreed with other Trekkies/Trekkers (we were trekkies
first)that it should be used at the bottom of bird cages for
Crapping purposes.


Posted by: "Kerry Endacotte"
Alphans

Lets be a little controversial on this subject . As said  (perhaps a
little at Slinter's expense)previously i am Transexual.I toy'd  about
with the idea of writing a fanfic arround this subject, on  Alpha.



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Hello...

Dragon's Domain was a really good episode, but I must admit I never liked the
ending, really, and would have also preferred if there would have been some kind
of explanation (even a vague one) about the monster. It was a very effective
creature because it was a prop, not some computer generated monster. I'm not
against CGI at all, but the creature was there (3-d) for the actors to interact
with. I wonder how long it took to get those fight scenes right?

Jim

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Endacotte <kerryendacotte@...> wrote:
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> Alphans
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> Interesting point....I certainly would go with Breakaway and
> BlackSun.....maybe even AB  Crylisis(the latest Fanderson FAB talks
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> don't rave about Dragon's Domain the way people do.I think it starts
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Space:1999 is more realistic than many other sci-fi series/films at the time
(including Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers, even Star Wars).
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theoretical possibilities).  The original Galactica was able to traverse light
years of space without any warp or jump drive (at least I don't recall any sort
of propulsion like that used in the original series)?
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it is "Breakaway", with the "Black Sun" as second. The reason I ask is that
"Space: 1999", with all the scientific issues, always seemed to be the more
realistic series. "Star Trek" is right up there but seems sooo futuristic, "Lost
In Space" is terrific in its own way. But, what is the most realistic episode of
"Space: 1999"? I only joined this past September, so if this round has been
covered, as it may have, please forgive me.
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Americans being dumbed down and lacking an attention span would
be my way of putting it.If one were to take the time one could see it
in the original V series verses the new V. In the original mini  series
there was a build up to it as you saw it develop.In the new one it  was
done in the first hour.It sort of went fast forward in what the first one
did
by telling to much to soon in the first episode. I lost interest after
that.
Interesting that you mention PBS because that's where I first saw  Doctor
Who,Benny Hill and Monty Python during the 1970's. I remember  that
when Space 1999 started its first season it had a weird time  slot. After
a few episodes it was moved to the weekend where ball games away's
preempted it.If I was lucky I got to see the last 15 minutes of an  episode.
I held out hope for a while then gave up on it.Back then I never saw  any
of the second season.
Gene Roddenbarry did say that the concept of Forbidden Planet was  a
part of his creation of Star Trek.You sure can see  the  Kirk/Spock/McCoy
mix there along with so much more.

Mike





Much as I hate to say it (and, I DO love my country) most of my fellow
Americans are...hmmm..Much as I hate to say it (and, I DO lo&  close-minded"
close-minded"<WBR>? Any TV series made outside of the USA will usually, if
its'  lucky, end up on our Public Broadcasting System ("Doctor Who", "Benny
Hill",  "Monty Python", "Lathe Of Heaven", et al). "Life On Mars" was also
"Americanized" & died after half a season (too bad...it  was a really good
show). To be honest, I'm suprised "Space:1999 aired on  commercial stations,
being made in the UK. Of course, it was cashing in on the  huge popularity of
"Star Trek" in its' re-run phase.

Americans in  Hollywood also lack original vision' Was a re-make of "V"
really necessary? Or  "War Of the Worlds"? The 2000 version of "Planet Of the
Apes" was a total  disaster although it was a decent little romp, it came
nowhere near the quality  of the original films, from a storytelling point of
view.

And, while I'm  on the subject of re-makes...It'And, while I'm  on the
subject of re-makes...It'<WBR>s been pointed out that "Forbidden Planet"  was a
re-telling of Shakespeares' "The Tempest". Has anyone ever noticed that
"Star Trek" is ess




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But it isn't unique because 90% of TV shows sexualise their characters; the Dr.
wasn't and that is what made it unique.

Rick

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       Absolutely correct, Rick.  not to mention sexualizing the formerly asexual
Doctor, an aspect which i found unique and wholly refreshing.



And as you said, it's now just yet another modern style sci-fi series with
nothing to make it special or stand out.



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Ok first I need to correct a continuity error that you made David.  ;-)
Jim says in "What are Little Girls Made of"that his Brother George
Samuel Kirk has three sons. No Daughters were ever mentioned.
In "Operation Annihilate" Sam (also played by Shatner) looks to
be around 50.Its reasonable to assume that we are seeing his
youngest son in that episode.Its also likely the two older ones
have moved on (starfleet maybe).
In the deleted scene do we really hear the young Jimmy call
his Brother Johnny?I know that those talking over the clip
call him that but that may not be a filmed error. A novel based
on this movie might better settle that (and I think there was one).

I don't think this movie destroys existing history because it takes
place in and alternate past timeframe.The prequel comic you  mention
backs up the destruction of Romulus/Remus in our history's  timeline.
Vulcan was only destroyed in the alternate time.In theory Spock
prime (Learned Nimoy) could find a way to get back to our  time.
The only thing I really liked about this movie was all the  past Spock
history that stayed untouched.

Mike




Actually, the new "Star Trek" film completely destroys exsisting "history"
as we have known it. According to this film, EVERYTHING that occurred & all
  the episodes we've watched over the decades will now never "happen". No
TOS, no  TNG, DS9, VOY (although "Enterprise" emerges unscathed with the new
Scotty  stating he was being punished for making "Admiral Archers'" dog
disappear in a  transporter experiment).

There is a graphic novel out now, serving as a  prequel to the new film
wherein Captain Picard, Data & Geordi help "our"  Spock develop the process to
create a singularity with the red matter. Of  course, once Nero goes through
the resulting black hole, those guys become  extinct.

The story of Spocks' origin remains untouched (until his  mothers' death of
course) as the destruction of the Kelvin by Nero really has no  impact on
Vulcan history. Kirks', of course, is totally altered with the death  of his
father on said ship as is Captain Pikes'. No meeting with the Talosians  for
him.

Near as I can tell, the ONLY continuity error in the new film is  that
Kirks' older brother Sam is not mentioned. In the deleted scenes, there's a
sequence where the younger Kirk is talking to a kid named "Johnny" & he is
referred to as his brother. Wrong! Of course, it was deleted so, it doesn't
count. The same kid is seen hitchhiking as young Kirk drives by in his
fathers'  "borrowed" car. Of course, a name change for such a minor character
wouldn't be  too big a deal since the episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"
refers to  Kirks' two neices which are never mentioned again. In "Operation:
Annhilate", we  suddenly meet Kirks' nephew with no mention of him having two
sisters.

As  I said, that's pretty much the only continuity error. Remember,
though...as soon  as the USS Kelvin is destroyed, Kirks' ENTIRE "future life" is
totally altered  affecting everything from when he went to Starfleet Academy
to his meetings with  the rest of his future crew.
----- Original Message -----
From: D
To: _OnlineAlpha@OnlineAlpha@Onl_ (mailto:OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:38 AM
Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re:  science fiction remakes

Why compare fictional history to actual history?  Altering the continuity
of Star Trek (if the new film does indeed do that,  although, I've heard the
contrary) is a far cry to historians altering true  historical events. Doing
so would render the altered historical events fiction  (it's been done on
TV and in films...Both new and classic Doctor Who is a prime  example of
this).

Dana



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Didn't see it as such. Just being realistic.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:02:06 +0000 (GMT) richard curzon
<hammeramicus2002@...> writes:

Incidentally, I am an American and lived in Rochester New York from 1967
till 1983.  I moved to West Yorkshire in August 1983.  So this is not
irrational Yank-bashing.

Rick

--- On Wed, 18/11/09, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
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From: richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 9:45



The Office was remade by the Americans because they are very
American-centric and can't handle anything non-American on their
networks.  Independent stations are better, but the US seems to think the
whole world is the USA.  The US remake is totally redundant and should
not have happened; the UK original ought to have been screened in it's
place on the US network and been accepted by the US public as is.  US
shows play on major networks outside the USA in prime time; why not the
reverse?

Rick

--- On Mon, 16/11/09, slinter@juno. com <slinter@juno. com> wrote:

From: slinter@juno. com <slinter@juno. com>

Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes

To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 6:52



On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:05:12 -0000 "D" <cmdrkoenig67@ yahoo.com> writes:

How is "Forbiddon Planet" any less a remake/reimagining of William

Shakespeare' s "The Tempest"? "Planet of the Apes" is based on the book

"Monkey Planet", yet it differs quite a bit from the novel and it's been

remade. "The Office" is an American remake of a British TV series, yet it

seems to be doing very well and it is well-liked. "Star Wars" is a combo

of "Flash Gordon" and "The Hidden Fortress" (1955), is it less of a

remake? Does that make Star Wars creatively bankrupt? "I Am Legend" is a

remake of a remake of a remake of a book. How many times has "War of The

Worlds" been remade?

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Becaue none of those claimed to be original. FP didn't call itself The

Tempest, nor did SW claim to be anything else. What we're talking about

is the current fad for "re-imagining" a proprty, and calling the results

original. Taking movies or shows and redoing them, yet claiming that it's

really the same thing, when it bears scant resemblance to the original

that was the classic.

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Well, back in the day, The Avengers did get run on network TV, but
virtually nothing since. Why the American NitWerks refuse to take a
chance of such fare is a mystery to me. Many Brit shows are superior.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:52:16 +0000 (GMT) richard curzon
<hammeramicus2002@...> writes:

Perhaps if they imported more UK shows and screened them on the networks,
and American folks sought them out more then they would get the humour.
In any case the humour in The Office is hardly high brow, and there
aren't that many differences in the cultures.  American-centicism is a
big problem.

Rick

--- On Wed, 18/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@...> wrote:

From: D <cmdrkoenig67@...>
Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 13:44



I doubt very much that all the jokes from the original British version of
The Office would/could be grasped by American audiences... Maybe that's
one of the reasons why it was remade?

Dana

--- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@
...> wrote:

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> The Office was remade by the Americans because they are very
American-centric and can't handle anything non-American on their
networks.  Independent stations are better, but the US seems to think
the whole world is the USA.  The US remake is totally redundant and
should not have happened; the UK original ought to have been screened in
it's place on the US network and been accepted by the US public as is.Â
US shows play on major networks outside the USA in prime time; why not
the reverse?

>

> Rick

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On Lost in Space it was called Hyper-Drive in the first episode  shown.
There was a device that showed that as they went out of control  in
Hyper-Drive.In the last episode of the first season an Alien
( Episode "Follow the Leader") upgraded the Jupiter 2 for his  own
evil purposes so it could really travel. After he was disposed of
the crew could get the ship off the pre-planet and look for Alpha-
Centuri again.

Mike


Posted by: "David Sobral"
It was just like the original Jupiter 2 in "Lost In Space". They went all
over the UNIVERSE & never exceeded light speed. "Space:1999" was guilty of
the same oversight but, at least they had space warps & black holes pushing
them along. That being said, you're right...."1999" was & is the most
realistic hard sci-fi TV series. "UFO", too.



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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:17:09 -0500 "David Sobral" <dsobral@...>
writes:

Of course, a name change for such a minor character wouldn't be too big a
deal since the episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" refers to Kirks'
two neices which are never mentioned again. In "Operation: Annhilate", we
suddenly meet Kirks' nephew with no mention of him having two sisters.
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brother Sam, who wanted to be transferred to "Earth Colony Two", along
with "his wife and three sons". I don't recall any neices being
mentioned.
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Hi GLG,

There is the making of a green space in EC Tubb's Space 1999 novel: _Alien
Seed_.  A good book, by the way.  It captures the dream-like quality that many
of the Space episodes had.

> There was a S99 book - title escapes me and I can't seem to
> find my  copy - that had the Alphans excavating a cavern in the Moon
> to have a "green space". Does anyone remember this title??

Hi GLG,

There is the making of a green space in EC Tubb's Space 1999 novel: _Alien
Seed_.  A good book, by the way.  It captures the dream-like quality that many
of the Space episodes had.

> There was a S99 book - title escapes me and I can't seem to
> find my  copy - that had the Alphans excavating a cavern in the Moon
> to have a "green space". Does anyone remember this title??

If your wife learns you wrote that, your final two words might be "Oh
no!!!"  ;)

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:15:56 -0800 (PST) "Victor Marino Jr."
<vicsbooth1@...> writes:

I agree, my two final words came when I got married, "I do".  Haven't
been able to get a word in edgeways since.

Victor

"Machine???? Call me a machine!!!!!"

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Jonathan <jmrmpd@...> wrote:

From: Jonathan <jmrmpd@...>
Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Diversity - the final word
To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:01 PM



Let's talk about something else and make sure it's Space: 1999 specific.
Jonathan Michael Reiter
jmr
----- Original Message -----
From: starparty1
To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Diversity - the final word

I see this thread is continuing on and on and requires a response, from
someone who works in the fields of diversity and civil rights on a daily
basis.

There is a difference between a hate crime and free speech. For the
record, hate crimes occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of
his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, i.e. religion,
race, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age, political affiliation,
gender, gender identity, or sexual orientation.

Hate crimes laws have been in existence for many years. Only recently
have Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, and Transgendered been added to these
protections. Between 2005 and 2008 there were nearly 4,000 instances of
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alone, as reported by the F.B.I.

How many Matthew Shepards or James Byrds need to be killed before people
understand the necessity of having strengethened protections under the
law?

Anthony Wynn

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, an OnlineAlpha list member wrote:

It should also be said that Politicians are creating new "hate crime"
laws.
One would be wise to read those before determining what one is allowed
to call a "degenerate" .

Mike

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Actually, they did travel faster than light on Lost in Space. If you remember
the first episode, the Jupiter 2 was said to have entered a "hyperdrive" as the
ship continued to go out of control thanks to Smith's tampering. Unfortunately,
many of the show's writers confused the term "galaxy" with "solar system." The
scientific inaccuracy was abundant there.
 
 
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--- On Wed, 11/18/09, David Sobral <dsobral@...> wrote:


From: David Sobral <dsobral@...>
Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Most realistic episode
To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 8:33 AM


 



Actually, the original "Battlestar Galactica" was able to jump from one galaxy
to another WITHOUT any kind of faster-than- light drive. Sure, in one or two
episodes they mention speeding up to light speed but never any faster because
the other 220 ships in the fleet did NOT have faster-than- light capability,
which WAS stated several times.

It was just like the original Jupiter 2 in "Lost In Space". They went all over
the UNIVERSE & never exceeded light speed. "Space:1999" was guilty of the same
oversight but, at least they had space warps & black holes pushing them along.
That being said, you're right...."1999" was & is the most realistic hard sci-fi
TV series. "UFO", too.
----- Original Message -----
From: D
To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Most realistic episode

Hi Jim,

I guess it all depends on how we perceive "realism"... I feel much of Space:1999
is more realistic than many other sci-fi series/films at the time (including
Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers, even Star Wars).

Star Trek had it's warp drive, Transporter tech and Replicators (all still
theoretical possibilities) . The original Galactica was able to traverse light
years of space without any warp or jump drive (at least I don't recall any sort
of propulsion like that used in the original series)?

Dana

--- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, "alphachimp43" <alphachimp43@ ...> wrote:
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> Just wondering; what do folks think is the most "realistic" episode? I feel it
is "Breakaway", with the "Black Sun" as second. The reason I ask is that "Space:
1999", with all the scientific issues, always seemed to be the more realistic
series. "Star Trek" is right up there but seems sooo futuristic, "Lost In Space"
is terrific in its own way. But, what is the most realistic episode of "Space:
1999"? I only joined this past September, so if this round has been covered, as
it may have, please forgive me.
>
> Regards,
> Jim
>
>
> --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, "Anthony D" <atd2003@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all...
> >
> > Think we could get back to Moonbase Alpha?
> >
> > Maybe for like -- a month or two?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Anthony
> > OA Mod
> >
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Mr. Bell, I have to admit I like that pithy little maxim. Bricks and the
wall.



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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:42:42 +0000 Chip Bell <shf84@...> writes:
>
> The rights of the individual must be met. To call individual rights
> "selfish " or "greedy" is the mind set of a human rights violator
> The problem with socialist systems is that they are all about the
> society. BUT society's are made out of individuals. If you ignore
> the bricks you ruin the wall.
>
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> From: miramar1@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:34:35 -0600
> Subject: RE: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Diversity
>
>
>
>
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>       I Just had to reply to this.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com]
>
> On Behalf Of stwain12000
>
> Sent: November 16, 2009 6:01 PM
>
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Diversity
>
>
>
>
>
> This is why in a world full of dolts that are "all bout me", "mine,
>
> mine, mine" & "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" that any kind
> of
>
> intelligent conversation cannot be had.
>
> What wrong here is that it is all about the individual bettering
>
> themselves and not wanting government to do it for them.
>
>
>
> Until the world of Gene Roddenberry is at hand will all be right
> (And I
>
> don't mean the Enterprise, Warp Speed, etc... Take out all the
> Hollywood
>
> & Glitz/Glam, F/X, & listen to the story, whats being said such as
> in
>
> "First Contact" Picard stating "No need for wealth or money & we
> strive
>
> to become better human beings or something of that nature.
>
> The above statement is "science fiction", Roddenberry was a boarder
> line
>
> communist from a political standpoint. His utopian view of our
> future is
>
> impossible to achieve. Mankind cannot and will not ever stop being
>
> greedy. Greed is what drives every part of our existence.
>
>
>
> Until we get over ourselves on the concerns of money, religion,
> greed,
>
> boarders, etc... We're all doomed.
>
>  doomed if we ever achieve the above statement.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:05:36 -0000 "D" <cmdrkoenig67@...> writes:

Soooo....Remakes aren't a good idea, unless you like them?

Dana

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...>
wrote:
>
> Taking another source and using it as inspiration for a new story - ie.
The Tempest (1610) for Forbidden Planet (1956) - is a whole different
ballgame to a remake.  Planet of the Apes (1968) is an adaptation
(albeit not terribly close) of a 1963 book.
>
> Star Wars was inspired by Flash Gordon, and took some structural
elements from The Hidden Fortress (1959) and The Searchers (1956) but
like Forbidden Planet had a great deal more to it than elements borrowed
from the inspiration.
>
> I Am Legend (1954) has been made three times:Â  The Last Man on Earth
(1963), The Omega Man (1971) and I am Legend (2007).  Yes it is a bit
slack to keep making the same books again and again, but none of the
extant versions is really a good, close adaptation.
>
> None of the adaptations does justice to The War of the Worlds (1898),
and until someone does a decent job of it set in the 1890s it will be a
futile exercise.
>
> The Time Machine (1895) was definitively filmed in 1960, but a TV
remake appeared in 1978 and another theatrical version in 2002.  Neither
of the latter two versions is worth a damn.
>
> The Thing (1982) were drastically different to the original; it was a
proper adaptation of the 1934 short story Who Goes There?.
>
> The Fly (1957) was faithfully adapted in 1958, so the 1986 Cronenberg
film is redundant, but at least it took a very different approach to the
material.
>
> Taking an existing book or stage play and redoing it is different
because there is room for interpretation; each reader visualises in her
or his own way.  Taking Julius Ceasar and filming it again is like
staging another stage production, so it is ok.  Taking a film original
which is already visualised completely is another kettle of fish, and is
creatively more bankrupt.  As I have said above, taking inspirations
from other sources is fine because you are not actually remaking.
>
> Flash Gordon (1934) was initially a comic stip, and a series of
novels.  Filmed in 1936 (with sequels in 1938, 1940) there was a live TV
series in 1954-5, an animated series 1979-82 and of course the 1980
film.  The recent TV series was a complete reimagining that fell flat on
its face.  Once again, there is more of a precident for remaking because
it has a literary base, although the comic stip was the true projenitor.
>
> The Blob remake (1988) is a waste of time; as the 1958 film was an
original thoroughly visualised original.
>
> Rick
>
> --- On Mon, 16/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@...> wrote:
>
> From: D <cmdrkoenig67@...>
> Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 6:05
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> How is "Forbiddon Planet" any less a remake/reimagining of William
Shakespeare' s "The Tempest"? "Planet of the Apes" is based on the book
"Monkey Planet", yet it differs quite a bit from the novel and it's been
remade. "The Office" is an American remake of a British TV series, yet it
seems to be doing very well and it is well-liked. "Star Wars" is a combo
of "Flash Gordon" and "The Hidden Fortress" (1955), is it less of a
remake? Does that make Star Wars creatively bankrupt? "I Am Legend" is a
remake of a remake of a remake of a book. How many times has "War of The
Worlds" been remade? "The Time Machine" (remade several times), "The
Fly", the above-mentioned "Flash Gordon" (which is being remade again),
"The Thing", "The Blob" and too many more to be named.
>
>
>
> Dana
>
>
>
> --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, slinter@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > DITTO!!!!! Bang on, Yul. One of my biggest beefs is when someone
>
> > "remakes" a classic, and calls it creativity. Most of the time, the
end
>
> > product bears scant resemblance to the original. Surely not what made
it
>
> > such a classic in the first place.
>
> > Hell's Bells, would you "remake" the Cistine Chapel? The classics
should
>
> > be left alone!
>
> >
>
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:03:55 -0800 (PST) Yul Tolbert
>
> > <yul_tolbert@ ...> writes:
>
> >
>
> > Remakes may be a fact of life, but that doesn't mean everything has
to be
>
> > a remake. If current trends continue, there might be nothing but
remakes
>
> > and original thinking may come to an end.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -- Yul
>
> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: D <cmdrkoenig67@ ...>
>
> > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
>
> > To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:16 AM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > There will ALWAYS be remakes (and nearly EVERYTHING will be
remade...At
>
> > some point)...I really don't know why people have such a hard time
>
> > grasping that.
>
> >
>
> > How many times has Dracula or Frankenstein been remade or reimagined?
How
>
> > many times have the works of Shakespeare been remade or reimagined?
>
> > Stories by H.G. Wells, Edgar Allan Poe and even Stephen King...Many
of
>
> > their stories have been made into films or TV films and many have
been
>
> > remade...And will be remade AGAIN.
>
> >
>
> > Isn't it about time y'all got used to the concept of remakes?
>
> >
>
> > Why ask why? It seems kind of pointless to whine about it.
>
> >
>
> > Dana
>
> >
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Very profound...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Bell" <shf84@...>
To: <onlinealpha@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Diversity


>
> The rights of the individual must be met. To call individual rights
> "selfish " or "greedy" is the mind set of a human rights violator
> The problem with socialist systems is that they are all about the society.
> BUT society's are made out of individuals. If you ignore the bricks you
> ruin the wall.
>
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> From: miramar1@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:34:35 -0600
> Subject: RE: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Diversity
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>      I Just had to reply to this.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com]
>
> On Behalf Of stwain12000
>
> Sent: November 16, 2009 6:01 PM
>
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: Diversity
>
>
>
>
>
> This is why in a world full of dolts that are "all bout me", "mine,
>
> mine, mine" & "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" that any kind of
>
> intelligent conversation cannot be had.
>
> What wrong here is that it is all about the individual bettering
>
> themselves and not wanting government to do it for them.
>
>
>
> Until the world of Gene Roddenberry is at hand will all be right (And I
>
> don't mean the Enterprise, Warp Speed, etc... Take out all the Hollywood
>
> & Glitz/Glam, F/X, & listen to the story, whats being said such as in
>
> "First Contact" Picard stating "No need for wealth or money & we strive
>
> to become better human beings or something of that nature.
>
> The above statement is "science fiction", Roddenberry was a boarder line
>
> communist from a political standpoint. His utopian view of our future is
>
> impossible to achieve. Mankind cannot and will not ever stop being
>
> greedy. Greed is what drives every part of our existence.
>
>
>
> Until we get over ourselves on the concerns of money, religion, greed,
>
> boarders, etc... We're all doomed.
>
> Were doomed if we ever achieve the above statement.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Absolutely correct, Rick.  not to mention sexualizing the formerly asexual
Doctor, an aspect which i found unique and wholly refreshing.

And as you said, it's now just yet another modern style sci-fi series with
nothing to make it special or stand out.

--- In OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@...> wrote:
>
> ...It used to be that Who was different to any other sci-fi show, but now it
seems to cater for the US market.  RTD has claimed that his favourite TV show
of all time is Buffy, and it shows.
>
> Rick
>
> --- On Wed, 18/11/09, slinter@... <slinter@...> wrote:
>
> From: slinter@... <slinter@...>
> Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
> To: OnlineAlpha@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 10:17
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       I am not a devotee of Dr. Who. Mostly because none of the stations in my
>
> area carry it. I have seen a few, and I liked them. But, sadly, I don't
>
> know enough to comment on the show in general.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0000 "D" <cmdrkoenig67@ yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>
> New Who isn't a remake, though...It' s a continuation and your opinion of
>
> it is just that, opinion. I find it to be different from the original,
>
> but in my opinon...It has it's pros and cons, just as the original series
>
> did.
>
>
>
> Dana
>
>
>
> --- In OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com, richard curzon <hammeramicus2002@ ...>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > New Doctor Who lacks the originallity, wit and charm of the original;
>
> which is a classic.  Battlestar Galactica on the other hand was never
>
> much good, despite having an interesting idea at its core.  The ramke,
>
> whilst grim, is infinately superior.  One of the rare remakes to top the
>
> original.  I would argue that the reamnke does justice to the premise,
>
> and is much more literary in its approach; capturing the hard edge of
>
> literary sci-fi.
>
> >
>
> > Rick
>
> >
>
> > --- On Mon, 16/11/09, lainavi <lainavi@ > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: lainavi <lainavi@ >
>
> > Subject: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
>
> > To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 0:45
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> >
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>
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > In the process totally losing the wonderfully imaginative SF adventure
>
> of the original.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > > New Galactica another pathetic soap opera full of bungling rejects
>
> from a mental ward and their "issues" when will they get it we don't like
>
> soap operas and we don't want to hear the characters whine there asses
>
> off or hand them kleenex through the TV screen we want scientific
>
> speculation.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > To: OnlineAlpha@ yahoogroups. com
>
> >
>
> > > From: kerryendacotte@ ...
>
> >
>
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:14:58 +0000
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: Re: [OnlineAlpha] Re: science fiction remakes
>
> >
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> > > Interestingly, Plymouth has just had it's annual SFcon.Just before
>
> the
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> >
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> > > clossing cermony a panel or at least a series of questions were put
>
> to
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > the attendees naming what was the best SF, TV, FILM,,etc. The person
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > running it tried to push New Galatica, while also applying a great
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > deal of lectuary over No 6 as a reason to watch this series.....and
>
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> > >
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> >
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> > > apart from two hand in a group of about 100 was met with stony
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> > > silence!
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> > > Kerry
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:16 AM, <slinter@ > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > DITTO!!!!! Bang on, Yul. One of my biggest beefs is when someone
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > "remakes" a classic, and calls it creativity. Most of the time, the
>
> end
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > product bears scant resemblance to the original. Surely not what
>
> made it
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > such a classic in the first place.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Hell's Bells, would you "remake" the Cistine Chapel? The classics
>
> should
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > be left alone!
>
> >
>
> > >
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:03:55 -0800 (PST) Yul Tolbert
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > <yul_tolbert@ ...> writes:
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > >
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Remakes may be a fact of life, but that doesn't mean everything has
>
> to be
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > a remake. If current trends continue, there might be nothing but
>
> remakes
>
> >
>
> > >
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> >
>
> > > > and original thinking may come to an end.
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> > > > --- On Wed, 11/11/09, D <cmdrkoenig67@ ...> wrote:
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> > > > From: D <cmdrkoenig67@ ...>
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> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:16 AM
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> > > > There will ALWAYS be remakes (and nearly EVERYTHING will be
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> > > > some point)...I really don't know why people have such a hard time
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> > > > How many times has Dracula or Frankenstein been remade or
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> > > > many times have the works of Shakespeare been remade or reimagined?
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> > > > Stories by H.G. Wells, Edgar Allan Poe and even Stephen King...Many
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> > > > their stories have been made into films or TV films and many have
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> > > > remade...And will be remade AGAIN.
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> > > > Isn't it about time y'all got used to the concept of remakes?
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> > > > Why ask why? It seems kind of pointless to whine about it.
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