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#4780 From: "bellerocorp" <filigrane@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:29 am
Subject: Re: the slap needles
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> I think it was here a while back that someone talked about the slap needle
device that is used to knock people out (a round, gold device that goes between
2 fingers and has a sharp tacklike ending that releases some sort of knockout
drug). In watching the 70s episodes, I noticed that this device is used an awful
lot- it seems that by the last season, it is used in more than half of the
episodes (sometimes more than once in the same story).
>  
> Do you all think that this gimmick was overused?
>  
> One of my favorites is in Incarnate when Casey is about to slap needle Kim
Hunter's son and he beats her to the punch (literally) by knocking her over the
head and running off!
>  
> Come to think of it, I am hard pressed to think of a season 7 episode in which
the team doesn't come up behind someone and knock them out (occassionally Barney
or Willy uses judo or some sort of chop to the neck, but it's usually the snap
needle thing). Mimi used it in TOD-5. In a funny note, in Kidnap, when the team
is in the bomb shelter, they DIDN'T use it (maybe they knew they'd be searched?)
and when Jim throws the lantern against the wall and the fighting breaks out,
the males are all fighting while Casey screams and goes to hide in a corner!
>  
> JamesAnthony





It is called the "golden needle-ring" and it was introduced in the season 4
"The Crane (produced by Bruce Lansbury who recycled it from a
"Wild Wild West" episode entitled: "The Night of the Fugitives").
http://w3-stunring.notlong.com
By season 7, they will only use the "golden needle".
***IMF Out***

Thomas

#4779 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:17 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Interesting comments John. I also think that this episode is an excellent satire
on the film industry, in much the same way that I see Phantoms as a satire on
Stalinism and the Communist state.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
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>
> Now that Thomas has received his season seven DVD box, I just want to say that
I have just watched the excellent episode "Movie".  Wow!!!  This is probably the
most intelligent piece of satire I have seen in the context of Mission
Impossible, very similar to Trufault's "La nuit Americain" (1973), pretenting to
be a spoof about the TV industry in general but obviously an insiders comment on
the making of Mission Impossible itself.  This is a particularly hilarious
comment going something like "watch out for Heath, he is particularly
dangerous".  I can't wait to read Thomas' deep analysis of this jewel.  Season
seven is terrific!!!
>  
> John
>
> --- On Sun, 11/22/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: erikemiller <erikemiller@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 4:53 AM
>
>
> I don't want to comment on any specific season 7 episode until Thomas has
finished reviewing season 6. But I have been enjoying the first few season 7
episodes that I have watched in the first volume.
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> >
> > I'm happy to hear that you also enjoy "Break!", Erik.  Season seven starts
off with a bang, top quality stuff, just like in season six.  I look forward to
you and Thomas getting the DVD box so we can have deeper discussions and
debates.
> >  
> > John
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/30/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: erikemiller <erikemiller@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 4:11 AM
> >
> >
> > I have been so busy that I have not ordered season seven yet! I don't think
it's available in the US until November. Looking forward to it however, "Break!"
is a good one. And for trivia it is only one of three episodes which mention
"the Secretary" in a scene outside the tape scene or briefing scene. The other
two are "The Confession" and "My Friend, My Enemy."
> >
> > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I will try not to watch the season seven episodes too quickly, trying to
adjust myself to your pace, but if the rest of the season is as good as the
first episode, this will be very difficult.  My initial impression is that
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE ended with an explosion of top quality episodes, reaching a
level of quality it had never even touched before!!!  I look very much forward
to hearing more of your thoughts in December and in 2010 as you start reviewing
each of the episodes in detail.
> > >  
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, bellerocorp <filigrane@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: bellerocorp <filigrane@>
> > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:41 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > OK.  I will be careful in what I am saying, trying not to spoil
anything,
> > > >but I felt tremendously happy watching the first entry for this season. 
> > > >Extremely good stuff!!!  When do you expect to receive your DVD box? 
> > > >I thought you had already watched all the season seven episodes several
times. 
> > > >Or have you only watched the French language version of the episodes so
far?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I only watched the French version and never experienced in
> > > the original English language. It will be a brand new sensation for me.
> > > I will get my box set on November 30. Then, I will watch one a week
slowly.
> > > Please wait for the reviews in 2010. And read my weekly season 6 reviews.
> > > ***IMF Out***
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
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#4778 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:07 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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I think you make a good point Francisco. We are all Mission: Impossible
enthusiasts here. I don't think that there is any question that everyone here is
a true fan of the series. We should not turn on each other, because all of us
have different tastes and experiences that form our opinions and that's why we
contribute to this message board: to express our opinions. As I said in my
earlier post, there are too few fans of this great series, we need to stick
together.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "franciscopedro39"
<franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>  Thanks for your comments Erik, once again there is nothing wrong with liking
all seasons of the show. If they are on TV, I'll watch them. Even the 1988-1990
remake. I think seasons 1-3 are the best without a doubt though, with 4 and 5
not too far behind.
>
>  I don't want to seem like I am trying to cause tension here, there is nothing
wrong with discussing something or debating different opinions as long as you
don't insult and dismiss the other one's opinions based solely on disagreements.
I like Season 4 a great deal too, and second that all of the episodes you
mentioned are good (excluding Phantoms, which I thought had a good premise yet
was poorly directed),
>
>  A View to a Kill is actually one of my least favorite James Bond movies, but
even the worst Bond movies are fun to watch. The Duran Duran theme song is
excellent.
>
>  What I am finding interesting is that you (like me) love The Seal and dislike
The Martyr, which according to John means you are not a true fan. Makes me
wonder what on Earth he was talking about when he mentioned "we on this list",
since he seems to be the only one here who likes The Martyr and hates The Seal.
(????)
>

#4777 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:17 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Don't sweat it, a little lively discussion never hurt anybody. I'm always glad
to talk to people who appreciate this great series. Too few people of my
generation do.

(I love all the music in "A View to a Kill." That guitar riff that they play in
most of the action scenes always gets stuck in my head. And you can't go wrong
with Christopher Walken as a bad guy.)

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "franciscopedro39"
<franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>  Thanks for your comments Erik, once again there is nothing wrong with liking
all seasons of the show. If they are on TV, I'll watch them. Even the 1988-1990
remake. I think seasons 1-3 are the best without a doubt though, with 4 and 5
not too far behind.
>
>  I don't want to seem like I am trying to cause tension here, there is nothing
wrong with discussing something or debating different opinions as long as you
don't insult and dismiss the other one's opinions based solely on disagreements.
I like Season 4 a great deal too, and second that all of the episodes you
mentioned are good (excluding Phantoms, which I thought had a good premise yet
was poorly directed),
>
>  A View to a Kill is actually one of my least favorite James Bond movies, but
even the worst Bond movies are fun to watch. The Duran Duran theme song is
excellent.
>
>  What I am finding interesting is that you (like me) love The Seal and dislike
The Martyr, which according to John means you are not a true fan. Makes me
wonder what on Earth he was talking about when he mentioned "we on this list",
since he seems to be the only one here who likes The Martyr and hates The Seal.
(????)
>

#4776 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:08 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Totally forgot about The Crane but I like that one too. It was one of the first
episodes that I really paid attention to and sparked my intrest.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "bellerocorp" <filigrane@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Season 4-wise, I am the only person who admires "The Crane".
> I am in the minority.
> Season 7-wise, I think it is a hybrid season who lacks of edge and scripts:
> see the nutshells like "Boomerang", "The Fighter", "Cocaine", to name but a
few.
> One third of season 7 is below average and plays like routine detective
> intrigues.
> ***IMF Out***
>
> Thomas
>

#4775 From: andrucharlz@...
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:04 am
Subject: Message trails
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I've avoided saying anything about this until now, but I have to say
something.

When replying to a previous e-mail, could members please try and cut
back on what I call "message trails"? I get Daily Digests, and when a
message trail includes a particularly long message, like an extensive
summary / commentary / review of an episode, it artificially inflates
the length of the Digest and makes it much longer than it needs to be,
and especially tiresome to wade through, just to get to the (usually
short) new messages.

ACJ

#4774 From: sweet will <sweet1310452@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:55 am
Subject: Re: the slap needles
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I think it was here a while back that someone talked about the slap needle device that is used to knock people out (a round, gold device that goes between 2 fingers and has a sharp tacklike ending that releases some sort of knockout drug). In watching the 70s episodes, I noticed that this device is used an awful lot- it seems that by the last season, it is used in more than half of the episodes (sometimes more than once in the same story).
 
Do you all think that this gimmick was overused?
 
One of my favorites is in Incarnate when Casey is about to slap needle Kim Hunter's son and he beats her to the punch (literally) by knocking her over the head and running off!
 
Come to think of it, I am hard pressed to think of a season 7 episode in which the team doesn't come up behind someone and knock them out (occassionally Barney or Willy uses judo or some sort of chop to the neck, but it's usually the snap needle thing). Mimi used it in TOD-5. In a funny note, in Kidnap, when the team is in the bomb shelter, they DIDN'T use it (maybe they knew they'd be searched?) and when Jim throws the lantern against the wall and the fighting breaks out, the males are all fighting while Casey screams and goes to hide in a corner!
 
JamesAnthony

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#4773 From: "bellerocorp" <filigrane@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: MISSION'S Season 7 DVD: the UK edition date!!!
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Hello fellow-MISSIONists,

Amazon UK updated the release date for the British edition
of "Mission: Impossible" season 7 DVD: March 22, 2010.
***IMF Out***

Thomas

#4772 From: "bellerocorp" <filigrane@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:20 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Season 4-wise, I am the only person who admires "The Crane".
I am in the minority.
Season 7-wise, I think it is a hybrid season who lacks of edge and scripts:
see the nutshells like "Boomerang", "The Fighter", "Cocaine", to name but a few.
One third of season 7 is below average and plays like routine detective
intrigues.
***IMF Out***

Thomas

#4771 From: "franciscopedro39" <franciscopedro39@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:32 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Thanks for your comments Erik, once again there is nothing wrong with liking
all seasons of the show. If they are on TV, I'll watch them. Even the 1988-1990
remake. I think seasons 1-3 are the best without a doubt though, with 4 and 5
not too far behind.

  I don't want to seem like I am trying to cause tension here, there is nothing
wrong with discussing something or debating different opinions as long as you
don't insult and dismiss the other one's opinions based solely on disagreements.
I like Season 4 a great deal too, and second that all of the episodes you
mentioned are good (excluding Phantoms, which I thought had a good premise yet
was poorly directed),

  A View to a Kill is actually one of my least favorite James Bond movies, but
even the worst Bond movies are fun to watch. The Duran Duran theme song is
excellent.

  What I am finding interesting is that you (like me) love The Seal and dislike
The Martyr, which according to John means you are not a true fan. Makes me
wonder what on Earth he was talking about when he mentioned "we on this list",
since he seems to be the only one here who likes The Martyr and hates The Seal.
(????)

#4770 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:47 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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I have posted on this forum that I am not a fan of "The Martyr," however I do
think that season two was excellent in quality, I'm currently working on
reviewing season two episodes and have been watching them very closely, The
fourth season is one of my favorites: "Submarine," "The Controllers" "The
Numbers Game" "Double Circle" "Robot" "Mastermind" "Chico" "The Brothers" "The
Falcon" "The Crane" "Fool's Gold" "Phantoms" "Orpheus" and "Death Squad" are all
episode that I just adore. I often find myself dipping into season four when I
get a whim to watch an episode.

I posted a positive review of "The Seal" which I think is a masterpiece in
editing.

"A View to a Kill" is my favorite James Bond movie.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "franciscopedro39"
<franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>   Anything that has a following in France must be a masterpiece then. Let's
remind ourselves that Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes of The Avengers
have a significant following in France as well.
>
>  "It was the French who invented the film medium"
>
>  Sure, just like Santos Dummont and not the Wright Bros. invented the
airplane, right? Amazing, do the French really consider themselves the sole
inventors of the film medium?
>
>
>  "Of course, episodes like "The Martyr" are the kind of episodes that most of
us on this list enjoy, just read the absolutely FANTASTIC review by Thomas. 
While junk like "The Seal" may appeal to the "average Joe" who watches random
episodes of Mission Impossible while being half drunk and not wanting to find
anything intellectually challenging in television, 99.9% of the REAL fans of the
show, the people who REALLY CARE for the show like the kind of episodes were
enjoy on this forum."
>
>
>   Wow, another insulting paragraph calling anyone who likes The Seal an
average joe who watches episodes of Mission half-drunk, thank you. It's nice to
know only people who like The Martyr are true fans of the show. You are so
narrow minded it's not even funny, nearly like talking to a brick wall. If I am
correct, Thomas thinks Season 7 is the worst season of Mission ever, so I guess
this means he doesn't understand the show either, right? If Thomas and Erik
liked The Martyr (I had no idea they did) that's fine. It's interesting to read
different opinions. But at least they don't express their opinions in this
arrogant tone while insulting others who disagree with them.
>
>  On Her Majesty's Secret Service is my favorite Bond film, but you won't find
me going to the James Bond boards and saying anyone who dislikes it and enjoys
the Roger Moore films has no clear understanding of Fleming.
>
>  I also find it amusing how you choose a fan favorite episode (The Seal) to
diss, yet you have no problem with both The Falcon and Chico which also use
animals to far more unrealistic results. But I guess only stupid Season 2 is
worth dissing, right? What fun is criticizing an unpopular season as Season 4?
>
>  Those middle paragraphs saying how only French criticism is worth reading had
me in stitches. So that American stereotype saying that all French people think
they are the center of the universe is right after all.
>

#4769 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:30 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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I will be watching season seven (one episode per evening) but I will reserve
comments on specific episodes until Thomas posts the review on it. I must also
re-watch Casino so that I can respond to the current review.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
wrote:
>
> Hahahaha!!!  FANTASTIC!!!  Season seven is the best season of Mission
Impossible ever!!  I look very much forward to hearing your comments about it. 
I will prepare for reading Thomas' comments about the final episode of the
excellent season six and then I look forward to both of you writing about the
fantastic season seven.  Talk about a series going out with a bang.  Watching
Mission Impossible in chronological order has been a fantastic experience for
me, one season better than the ever on an everlasting sequence of continual
improvement.  They don't make television as good as this anymore!!
>  
> John
>
> --- On Sun, 11/22/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: erikemiller <erikemiller@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 3:30 AM
>
>
> Well my post office surprised me today because when I got home season 7 was in
the mail. Excellent picture quality and beautiful 5.1 surround. It's just
awesome!
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission
Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very
difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit
more challenging.
> >  
> > Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and
popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including
the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do
with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On
the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other
hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be
appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best
of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity,
not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the
essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5,
6 and 7), was not included.
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
> >
> >
> > The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in
Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best
episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also
considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my
opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful
ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality
footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
> >
> >   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near
the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the
show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the
history of Mission.
> >
> > Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's
team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the
time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every
bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit
the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that
tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with
Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept
which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second
season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the
show.
> >
> > Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to
inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
> >
> >
> > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right
thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with
more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues,
complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series,
one of the best series ever produced by television.
> > >  
> > > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called
"The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because
that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the
period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of
Mission Impossible ever.
> > >  
> > > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the
best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly
recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to
understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> > >  
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the
"Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a
Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the
quality of the animation.
> > >
> > > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that
show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear
explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a
different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> > >
> > > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD
below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the
plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking
about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better
than anything in Season 7.
> > >
> > > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are
serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising
himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age
of 5 would swallow.
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#4768 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:26 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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As I said earlier, I'm a fan of all seven years. It's just my favorite TV show,
and it has been for about 15 years. I can't believe that after so many years as
a fan (and a lot of patience) I finally have the entire seven seasons on
excellent quality DVDs!

Of course I know, and acknowledge, that there are a few stinker episodes here
and there (in all of the seasons), but that's par for the course in the life of
a TV show that lasts for several years.

Overall, I'm just a nut for the show, the producers generally created an
excellent product over the course of the years. For me Mission: Impossible was
the most iconic, creative, unique and influential action show in American
television, and that's why it continues to fascinate me. It's a national
treasure, uniquely American in sensibility.


--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "Military Radioman"
<samhevener@...> wrote:
>
> So what? A true Mission Impossible TV buff would be interested in ALL the
episodes, good or bad. They are a part of history and part of the Mission
Impossible TV years. At least the episodes are available for us to view today.
It could be worse and episodes lost forever.
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "franciscopedro39"
<franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >  Oh, the good old "you don't like it because you don't GET IT" approach and
the whole "only a person as sophisticated as me can appreciate this work of art"
tactic. The Emperor's New Clothes all over again. I am about to say what many
don't say, but 99% of your posts here (which usually amount to how great
whatever later season released on DVD is and how stupid and idiotic the early
episodes are) are not only obnoxious and self-righteous rants, but clearly
designed to irritate fans of the show. It's really no wonder this board has
fewer regular members every time I revisit.
> >
> >   At first I thought you were just a troll, though now I am starting to have
my doubts.
> > The Seal was included because it was a fan favorite. The Martyr isn't, not
because only smart people can understand, but because it is a poorly filmed and
poorly written episode. A pathetic attempt to bring modern politics into the
show. The kind of "obvious political commentary" stuff that destroyed the third
season of Star Trek.
> >
> >  Your explanation is downright insulting and condescending, not to mention
untrue since the fifth VHS set consists of The Mind of Stephan Miklos and Live
Bait, two episodes of Mission at its most cerebral (but hey, I guess they can't
compete with the brilliance of Season 6-7 with the team battling Joe Don Baker's
and his eating habits, right?)
> >
> >  I didn't admit "not understanding" anything, and I understand Mission
pretty well thank you. In your point of view, 99% of Mission's fans (and I
assume most of them dislike The Martyr, assuming they have ever bothered to see
it) do not have the same level of sophisticated intelligence of a French person
to understand the complexities of this masterpiece that The Martyr is supposed
to be. The Seal was included because it is a fan favorite, while The Martyr is
considered by many fans to be a terrible episode. (I will admit plenty of weak
episodes were included in the second patch of volumes, such as Cocaine and The
Pendulum...)
> >
> >  "most what we all consider..."
> >
> >  LOL, who's "we"? Though there are fans like me who enjoy the later seasons,
I have never met anyone or encountered any written word that Seasons 6-7 are the
best. No one. As far as I know not even the French (who are known for strange
opinions such as their extreme love for Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes
of The Avengers). You say I confuse quality with popularity... the following is
proof that I don't since I like Seasons 4 and 5. Mission: Impossible is pretty
much Seasons 2-3 to the outside world. Good luck finding anyone out there under
the age of 30 who knows Leonard Nimoy was in it, let alone that there was a
different IMF leader before Peter Graves. Nimoy himself states how no one even
remembers he was in the show, and how he never gets asked about it in
interviews.
> >
> >  You speak of Space: 1999 as if it were Stanislaw Lem so clearly there is no
point on going further with that. I can't comprehend how a Mission fan can truly
appreciate a show which had the to most impressive Mission actors wasting their
talents week after week.
> >
> > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission
Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very
difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit
more challenging.
> > >  
> > > Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and
popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including
the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do
with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On
the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other
hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be
appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best
of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity,
not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the
essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5,
6 and 7), was not included.
> > >  
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I
in Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best
episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also
considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my
opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful
ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality
footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
> > >
> > >   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near
the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the
show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the
history of Mission.
> > >
> > > Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's
team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the
time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every
bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit
the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that
tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with
Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept
which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second
season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the
show.
> > >
> > > Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to
inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor"
<balor1999@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the
right thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved
with more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological
issues, complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful
series, one of the best series ever produced by television.
> > > >  
> > > > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called
"The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because
that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the
period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of
Mission Impossible ever.
> > > >  
> > > > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of
the best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would
highly recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in
order to understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> > > >  
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the
"Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a
Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the
quality of the animation.
> > > >
> > > > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that
show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear
explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a
different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> > > >
> > > > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD
below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the
plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking
about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better
than anything in Season 7.
> > > >
> > > > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are
serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising
himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age
of 5 would swallow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
>

#4767 From: "franciscopedro39" <franciscopedro39@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:21 am
Subject: Re: Episode Review (s4-ep26): "The Martyr"
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Erm... Sorry for the quadruple post but I tracked down this review when John
told me that only true fans of the show enjoy The Martyr, like "us in this
forum"...

  Thomas' excellent review is negative, and pretty is much in terms with my views
nearly 100%: A talky, dull, and poorly filmed piece of television with obvious
political commentary and silly anti-conservative messages that would send Oliver
Stone into a fit. The fact that Mission had to suck up to the disgusting youth
movements of the late 1960s to seem relevant is deeply upsetting.

#4765 From: "franciscopedro39" <franciscopedro39@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:54 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Anything that has a following in France must be a masterpiece then. Let's
remind ourselves that Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes of The Avengers
have a significant following in France as well.

  "It was the French who invented the film medium"

  Sure, just like Santos Dummont and not the Wright Bros. invented the airplane,
right? Amazing, do the French really consider themselves the sole inventors of
the film medium?


  "Of course, episodes like "The Martyr" are the kind of episodes that most of us
on this list enjoy, just read the absolutely FANTASTIC review by Thomas.  While
junk like "The Seal" may appeal to the "average Joe" who watches random episodes
of Mission Impossible while being half drunk and not wanting to find anything
intellectually challenging in television, 99.9% of the REAL fans of the show,
the people who REALLY CARE for the show like the kind of episodes were enjoy on
this forum."


   Wow, another insulting paragraph calling anyone who likes The Seal an average
joe who watches episodes of Mission half-drunk, thank you. It's nice to know
only people who like The Martyr are true fans of the show. You are so narrow
minded it's not even funny, nearly like talking to a brick wall. If I am
correct, Thomas thinks Season 7 is the worst season of Mission ever, so I guess
this means he doesn't understand the show either, right? If Thomas and Erik
liked The Martyr (I had no idea they did) that's fine. It's interesting to read
different opinions. But at least they don't express their opinions in this
arrogant tone while insulting others who disagree with them.

  On Her Majesty's Secret Service is my favorite Bond film, but you won't find me
going to the James Bond boards and saying anyone who dislikes it and enjoys the
Roger Moore films has no clear understanding of Fleming.

  I also find it amusing how you choose a fan favorite episode (The Seal) to
diss, yet you have no problem with both The Falcon and Chico which also use
animals to far more unrealistic results. But I guess only stupid Season 2 is
worth dissing, right? What fun is criticizing an unpopular season as Season 4?

  Those middle paragraphs saying how only French criticism is worth reading had
me in stitches. So that American stereotype saying that all French people think
they are the center of the universe is right after all.

#4764 From: "franciscopedro39" <franciscopedro39@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:31 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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What exactly are you talking about? I do not want to be misunderstood: I have
an interest in the entire series (I own all seven seasons) and never discouraged
anyone of doing so. Please read my post more clearly.

  I agree however that you have to appreciate terrible episodes because without
them, there would be no good episodes.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "Military Radioman"
<samhevener@...> wrote:
>
> So what? A true Mission Impossible TV buff would be interested in ALL the
episodes, good or bad. They are a part of history and part of the Mission
Impossible TV years. At least the episodes are available for us to view today.
It could be worse and episodes lost forever.
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "franciscopedro39"
<franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >  Oh, the good old "you don't like it because you don't GET IT" approach and
the whole "only a person as sophisticated as me can appreciate this work of art"
tactic. The Emperor's New Clothes all over again. I am about to say what many
don't say, but 99% of your posts here (which usually amount to how great
whatever later season released on DVD is and how stupid and idiotic the early
episodes are) are not only obnoxious and self-righteous rants, but clearly
designed to irritate fans of the show. It's really no wonder this board has
fewer regular members every time I revisit.
> >
> >   At first I thought you were just a troll, though now I am starting to have
my doubts.
> > The Seal was included because it was a fan favorite. The Martyr isn't, not
because only smart people can understand, but because it is a poorly filmed and
poorly written episode. A pathetic attempt to bring modern politics into the
show. The kind of "obvious political commentary" stuff that destroyed the third
season of Star Trek.
> >
> >  Your explanation is downright insulting and condescending, not to mention
untrue since the fifth VHS set consists of The Mind of Stephan Miklos and Live
Bait, two episodes of Mission at its most cerebral (but hey, I guess they can't
compete with the brilliance of Season 6-7 with the team battling Joe Don Baker's
and his eating habits, right?)
> >
> >  I didn't admit "not understanding" anything, and I understand Mission
pretty well thank you. In your point of view, 99% of Mission's fans (and I
assume most of them dislike The Martyr, assuming they have ever bothered to see
it) do not have the same level of sophisticated intelligence of a French person
to understand the complexities of this masterpiece that The Martyr is supposed
to be. The Seal was included because it is a fan favorite, while The Martyr is
considered by many fans to be a terrible episode. (I will admit plenty of weak
episodes were included in the second patch of volumes, such as Cocaine and The
Pendulum...)
> >
> >  "most what we all consider..."
> >
> >  LOL, who's "we"? Though there are fans like me who enjoy the later seasons,
I have never met anyone or encountered any written word that Seasons 6-7 are the
best. No one. As far as I know not even the French (who are known for strange
opinions such as their extreme love for Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes
of The Avengers). You say I confuse quality with popularity... the following is
proof that I don't since I like Seasons 4 and 5. Mission: Impossible is pretty
much Seasons 2-3 to the outside world. Good luck finding anyone out there under
the age of 30 who knows Leonard Nimoy was in it, let alone that there was a
different IMF leader before Peter Graves. Nimoy himself states how no one even
remembers he was in the show, and how he never gets asked about it in
interviews.
> >
> >  You speak of Space: 1999 as if it were Stanislaw Lem so clearly there is no
point on going further with that. I can't comprehend how a Mission fan can truly
appreciate a show which had the to most impressive Mission actors wasting their
talents week after week.
> >
> > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission
Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very
difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit
more challenging.
> > >  
> > > Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and
popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including
the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do
with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On
the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other
hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be
appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best
of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity,
not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the
essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5,
6 and 7), was not included.
> > >  
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I
in Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best
episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also
considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my
opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful
ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality
footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
> > >
> > >   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near
the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the
show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the
history of Mission.
> > >
> > > Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's
team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the
time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every
bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit
the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that
tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with
Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept
which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second
season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the
show.
> > >
> > > Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to
inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor"
<balor1999@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the
right thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved
with more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological
issues, complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful
series, one of the best series ever produced by television.
> > > >  
> > > > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called
"The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because
that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the
period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of
Mission Impossible ever.
> > > >  
> > > > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of
the best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would
highly recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in
order to understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> > > >  
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the
"Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a
Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the
quality of the animation.
> > > >
> > > > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that
show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear
explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a
different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> > > >
> > > > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD
below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the
plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking
about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better
than anything in Season 7.
> > > >
> > > > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are
serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising
himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age
of 5 would swallow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
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#4763 From: "bellerocorp" <filigrane@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: Season seven
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> Hahahaha!!!  FANTASTIC!!!  Season seven is the best season of Mission
Impossible ever!!  I look very much forward to hearing your comments about it. 
I will prepare for reading Thomas' comments about the final episode of the
excellent season six and then I look forward to both of you writing about the
fantastic season seven.
>  



Next Saturday, you won't be disappointed by my review of the final season 6
episode:
there will be a special audio-visual bonus.
***IMF Out***

Thomas

#4762 From: "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Season seven
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As you persist in returning to Space 1999, it is perhaps worth mentioning that the first season of that show has a significant following in France, and the most authoritative book on that show is written by a Frenchman by the name of Pierre Fageolle who analyses it in the context of the abstract art of Kandinsky and French writers of the sixties.
 
The question is not whether the French are right or not when they do these incredibly sophisticated analyses of films and TV shows, the question is rather how it it is the French rather than the Germans, the Italians, the English or the Americans.  This is something of a mystery, I would say.  Why do American read French philosophers like Foucault, Deleuze, Derrida, Kristeva, Lacan etc at their humanities departments rather than contemporary American thinkers?  In a wonderful interview with Levi-Strauss on Canadian radio in 1984, he explained it rather bluntly as ideas not coming from France are not worth reading.
 
In the case of film analysis in general and analysis of TV shows like Mission Impossible in particular, it is impossible to ignore the French school of analysis and criticism.  Besides the book by Patrick White there are, of course, two French books that deal with Mission Impossible on a much deeper level.  It was the French who intented the film medium.  It was the French who invented film criticism.  It is the French who invented the concept of "art cinema" and how something seemingly trivial, like Mission Impossible or Space 1999, can be understood as great art if investigated in the right way.
 
Of course, episodes like "The Martyr" are the kind of episodes that most of us on this list enjoy, just read the absolutely FANTASTIC review by Thomas.  While junk like "The Seal" may appeal to the "average Joe" who watches random episodes of Mission Impossible while being half drunk and not wanting to find anything intellectually challenging in television, 99.9% of the REAL fans of the show, the people who REALLY CARE for the show like the kind of episodes were enjoy on this forum.  This is easy to verify, just read the excellent entries by Thomas and Erik.  Hours and hours of wonderful reading after we have spent hours and hours watching Mission Impossible as jigsaw puzzles, trying to figure out what they are REALLY about, the subtext of the episodes.  I have several times asked them to collaborate on a book that might challenge the more low-brow approach by Patrick White, who makes no references to French contemporary philosophers as far as I can see, thus making a real contribution on to the literature on Mission Impossible for the people who really cares about the show.  So far they have not responded to this, but I hope they will consider the idea once we are done with evaluating each of the episodes, season 1 to 7.
 
John


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From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...>
Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 6:53 AM

Oh, the good old "you don't like it because you don't GET IT" approach and the whole "only a person as sophisticated as me can appreciate this work of art" tactic. The Emperor's New Clothes all over again. I am about to say what many don't say, but 99% of your posts here (which usually amount to how great whatever later season released on DVD is and how stupid and idiotic the early episodes are) are not only obnoxious and self-righteous rants, but clearly designed to irritate fans of the show. It's really no wonder this board has fewer regular members every time I revisit.

  At first I thought you were just a troll, though now I am starting to have my doubts.
The Seal was included because it was a fan favorite. The Martyr isn't, not because only smart people can understand, but because it is a poorly filmed and poorly written episode. A pathetic attempt to bring modern politics into the show. The kind of "obvious political commentary" stuff that destroyed the third season of Star Trek.

Your explanation is downright insulting and condescending, not to mention untrue since the fifth VHS set consists of The Mind of Stephan Miklos and Live Bait, two episodes of Mission at its most cerebral (but hey, I guess they can't compete with the brilliance of Season 6-7 with the team battling Joe Don Baker's and his eating habits, right?)

I didn't admit "not understanding" anything, and I understand Mission pretty well thank you. In your point of view, 99% of Mission's fans (and I assume most of them dislike The Martyr, assuming they have ever bothered to see it) do not have the same level of sophisticated intelligence of a French person to understand the complexities of this masterpiece that The Martyr is supposed to be. The Seal was included because it is a fan favorite, while The Martyr is considered by many fans to be a terrible episode. (I will admit plenty of weak episodes were included in the second patch of volumes, such as Cocaine and The Pendulum...)

"most what we all consider..."

LOL, who's "we"? Though there are fans like me who enjoy the later seasons, I have never met anyone or encountered any written word that Seasons 6-7 are the best. No one. As far as I know not even the French (who are known for strange opinions such as their extreme love for Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes of The Avengers). You say I confuse quality with popularity... the following is proof that I don't since I like Seasons 4 and 5. Mission: Impossible is pretty much Seasons 2-3 to the outside world. Good luck finding anyone out there under the age of 30 who knows Leonard Nimoy was in it, let alone that there was a different IMF leader before Peter Graves. Nimoy himself states how no one even remembers he was in the show, and how he never gets asked about it in interviews.

You speak of Space: 1999 as if it were Stanislaw Lem so clearly there is no point on going further with that. I can't comprehend how a Mission fan can truly appreciate a show which had the to most impressive Mission actors wasting their talents week after week. 

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...> wrote:
>
>
> I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit more challenging.
>  
> Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity, not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5, 6 and 7), was not included.
>  
> John
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
>
>
> The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
>
>   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the history of Mission.
>
> Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the show.
>
> Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
>
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@> wrote:
> >
> > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues, complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series, one of the best series ever produced by television.
> >  
> > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called "The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of Mission Impossible ever.
> >  
> > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> >
> >
> > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the "Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the quality of the animation.
> >
> > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> >
> > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better than anything in Season 7.
> >
> > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age of 5 would swallow.
> >
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#4761 From: "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Season seven
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Hahahaha!!!  FANTASTIC!!!  Season seven is the best season of Mission Impossible ever!!  I look very much forward to hearing your comments about it.  I will prepare for reading Thomas' comments about the final episode of the excellent season six and then I look forward to both of you writing about the fantastic season seven.  Talk about a series going out with a bang.  Watching Mission Impossible in chronological order has been a fantastic experience for me, one season better than the ever on an everlasting sequence of continual improvement.  They don't make television as good as this anymore!!
 
John

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@...> wrote:

From: erikemiller <erikemiller@...>
Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 3:30 AM

Well my post office surprised me today because when I got home season 7 was in the mail. Excellent picture quality and beautiful 5.1 surround. It's just awesome!

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...> wrote:
>
>
> I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit more challenging.
>  
> Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity, not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5, 6 and 7), was not included.
>  
> John
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
>
>
> The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
>
>   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the history of Mission.
>
> Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the show.
>
> Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
>
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@> wrote:
> >
> > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues, complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series, one of the best series ever produced by television.
> >  
> > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called "The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of Mission Impossible ever.
> >  
> > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> >
> >
> > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the "Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the quality of the animation.
> >
> > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> >
> > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better than anything in Season 7.
> >
> > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age of 5 would swallow.
> >
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#4760 From: "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:10 pm
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Now that Thomas has received his season seven DVD box, I just want to say that I have just watched the excellent episode "Movie".  Wow!!!  This is probably the most intelligent piece of satire I have seen in the context of Mission Impossible, very similar to Trufault's "La nuit Americain" (1973), pretenting to be a spoof about the TV industry in general but obviously an insiders comment on the making of Mission Impossible itself.  This is a particularly hilarious comment going something like "watch out for Heath, he is particularly dangerous".  I can't wait to read Thomas' deep analysis of this jewel.  Season seven is terrific!!!
 
John

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@...> wrote:

From: erikemiller <erikemiller@...>
Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 4:53 AM

I don't want to comment on any specific season 7 episode until Thomas has finished reviewing season 6. But I have been enjoying the first few season 7 episodes that I have watched in the first volume.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...> wrote:
>
> I'm happy to hear that you also enjoy "Break!", Erik.  Season seven starts off with a bang, top quality stuff, just like in season six.  I look forward to you and Thomas getting the DVD box so we can have deeper discussions and debates.
>  
> John
>
> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: erikemiller <erikemiller@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 4:11 AM
>
>
> I have been so busy that I have not ordered season seven yet! I don't think it's available in the US until November. Looking forward to it however, "Break!" is a good one. And for trivia it is only one of three episodes which mention "the Secretary" in a scene outside the tape scene or briefing scene. The other two are "The Confession" and "My Friend, My Enemy."
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@> wrote:
> >
> > I will try not to watch the season seven episodes too quickly, trying to adjust myself to your pace, but if the rest of the season is as good as the first episode, this will be very difficult.  My initial impression is that MISSION IMPOSSIBLE ended with an explosion of top quality episodes, reaching a level of quality it had never even touched before!!!  I look very much forward to hearing more of your thoughts in December and in 2010 as you start reviewing each of the episodes in detail.
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, bellerocorp <filigrane@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: bellerocorp <filigrane@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:41 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > OK.  I will be careful in what I am saying, trying not to spoil anything,
> > >but I felt tremendously happy watching the first entry for this season. 
> > >Extremely good stuff!!!  When do you expect to receive your DVD box? 
> > >I thought you had already watched all the season seven episodes several times. 
> > >Or have you only watched the French language version of the episodes so far?
> >
> >
> >
> > I only watched the French version and never experienced in
> > the original English language. It will be a brand new sensation for me.
> > I will get my box set on November 30. Then, I will watch one a week slowly.
> > Please wait for the reviews in 2010. And read my weekly season 6 reviews.
> > ***IMF Out***
> >
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#4759 From: "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:02 pm
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Excellent comment!!  It is our shared interest for the WHOLE of the series that join us together on this forum.  Personally I find Mission Impossible, especially the later seasons, to be some of the best producions ever made for TV.  Wonderful stuff!!!
 
John

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Military Radioman <samhevener@...> wrote:

From: Military Radioman <samhevener@...>
Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 10:21 AM

So what? A true Mission Impossible TV buff would be interested in ALL the episodes, good or bad. They are a part of history and part of the Mission Impossible TV years. At least the episodes are available for us to view today. It could be worse and episodes lost forever.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "franciscopedro39" <franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>  Oh, the good old "you don't like it because you don't GET IT" approach and the whole "only a person as sophisticated as me can appreciate this work of art" tactic. The Emperor's New Clothes all over again. I am about to say what many don't say, but 99% of your posts here (which usually amount to how great whatever later season released on DVD is and how stupid and idiotic the early episodes are) are not only obnoxious and self-righteous rants, but clearly designed to irritate fans of the show. It's really no wonder this board has fewer regular members every time I revisit.
>
>   At first I thought you were just a troll, though now I am starting to have my doubts.
> The Seal was included because it was a fan favorite. The Martyr isn't, not because only smart people can understand, but because it is a poorly filmed and poorly written episode. A pathetic attempt to bring modern politics into the show. The kind of "obvious political commentary" stuff that destroyed the third season of Star Trek.
>
>  Your explanation is downright insulting and condescending, not to mention untrue since the fifth VHS set consists of The Mind of Stephan Miklos and Live Bait, two episodes of Mission at its most cerebral (but hey, I guess they can't compete with the brilliance of Season 6-7 with the team battling Joe Don Baker's and his eating habits, right?)
>
>  I didn't admit "not understanding" anything, and I understand Mission pretty well thank you. In your point of view, 99% of Mission's fans (and I assume most of them dislike The Martyr, assuming they have ever bothered to see it) do not have the same level of sophisticated intelligence of a French person to understand the complexities of this masterpiece that The Martyr is supposed to be. The Seal was included because it is a fan favorite, while The Martyr is considered by many fans to be a terrible episode. (I will admit plenty of weak episodes were included in the second patch of volumes, such as Cocaine and The Pendulum...)
>
>  "most what we all consider..."
>
>  LOL, who's "we"? Though there are fans like me who enjoy the later seasons, I have never met anyone or encountered any written word that Seasons 6-7 are the best. No one. As far as I know not even the French (who are known for strange opinions such as their extreme love for Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes of The Avengers). You say I confuse quality with popularity... the following is proof that I don't since I like Seasons 4 and 5. Mission: Impossible is pretty much Seasons 2-3 to the outside world. Good luck finding anyone out there under the age of 30 who knows Leonard Nimoy was in it, let alone that there was a different IMF leader before Peter Graves. Nimoy himself states how no one even remembers he was in the show, and how he never gets asked about it in interviews.
>
>  You speak of Space: 1999 as if it were Stanislaw Lem so clearly there is no point on going further with that. I can't comprehend how a Mission fan can truly appreciate a show which had the to most impressive Mission actors wasting their talents week after week. 
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit more challenging.
> >  
> > Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity, not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5, 6 and 7), was not included.
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
> >
> >
> > The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
> >
> >   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the history of Mission.
> >
> > Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the show.
> >
> > Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
> >
> >
> > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues, complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series, one of the best series ever produced by television.
> > >  
> > > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called "The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of Mission Impossible ever.
> > >  
> > > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> > >  
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the "Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the quality of the animation.
> > >
> > > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> > >
> > > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better than anything in Season 7.
> > >
> > > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age of 5 would swallow.
> > >
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#4758 From: "Military Radioman" <samhevener@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:21 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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So what? A true Mission Impossible TV buff would be interested in ALL the
episodes, good or bad. They are a part of history and part of the Mission
Impossible TV years. At least the episodes are available for us to view today.
It could be worse and episodes lost forever.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "franciscopedro39"
<franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>  Oh, the good old "you don't like it because you don't GET IT" approach and
the whole "only a person as sophisticated as me can appreciate this work of art"
tactic. The Emperor's New Clothes all over again. I am about to say what many
don't say, but 99% of your posts here (which usually amount to how great
whatever later season released on DVD is and how stupid and idiotic the early
episodes are) are not only obnoxious and self-righteous rants, but clearly
designed to irritate fans of the show. It's really no wonder this board has
fewer regular members every time I revisit.
>
>   At first I thought you were just a troll, though now I am starting to have
my doubts.
> The Seal was included because it was a fan favorite. The Martyr isn't, not
because only smart people can understand, but because it is a poorly filmed and
poorly written episode. A pathetic attempt to bring modern politics into the
show. The kind of "obvious political commentary" stuff that destroyed the third
season of Star Trek.
>
>  Your explanation is downright insulting and condescending, not to mention
untrue since the fifth VHS set consists of The Mind of Stephan Miklos and Live
Bait, two episodes of Mission at its most cerebral (but hey, I guess they can't
compete with the brilliance of Season 6-7 with the team battling Joe Don Baker's
and his eating habits, right?)
>
>  I didn't admit "not understanding" anything, and I understand Mission pretty
well thank you. In your point of view, 99% of Mission's fans (and I assume most
of them dislike The Martyr, assuming they have ever bothered to see it) do not
have the same level of sophisticated intelligence of a French person to
understand the complexities of this masterpiece that The Martyr is supposed to
be. The Seal was included because it is a fan favorite, while The Martyr is
considered by many fans to be a terrible episode. (I will admit plenty of weak
episodes were included in the second patch of volumes, such as Cocaine and The
Pendulum...)
>
>  "most what we all consider..."
>
>  LOL, who's "we"? Though there are fans like me who enjoy the later seasons, I
have never met anyone or encountered any written word that Seasons 6-7 are the
best. No one. As far as I know not even the French (who are known for strange
opinions such as their extreme love for Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes
of The Avengers). You say I confuse quality with popularity... the following is
proof that I don't since I like Seasons 4 and 5. Mission: Impossible is pretty
much Seasons 2-3 to the outside world. Good luck finding anyone out there under
the age of 30 who knows Leonard Nimoy was in it, let alone that there was a
different IMF leader before Peter Graves. Nimoy himself states how no one even
remembers he was in the show, and how he never gets asked about it in
interviews.
>
>  You speak of Space: 1999 as if it were Stanislaw Lem so clearly there is no
point on going further with that. I can't comprehend how a Mission fan can truly
appreciate a show which had the to most impressive Mission actors wasting their
talents week after week.
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission
Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very
difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit
more challenging.
> >  
> > Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and
popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including
the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do
with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On
the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other
hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be
appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best
of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity,
not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the
essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5,
6 and 7), was not included.
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
> >
> >
> > The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in
Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best
episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also
considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my
opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful
ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality
footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
> >
> >   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near
the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the
show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the
history of Mission.
> >
> > Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's
team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the
time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every
bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit
the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that
tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with
Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept
which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second
season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the
show.
> >
> > Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to
inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
> >
> >
> > --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right
thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with
more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues,
complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series,
one of the best series ever produced by television.
> > >  
> > > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called
"The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because
that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the
period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of
Mission Impossible ever.
> > >  
> > > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the
best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly
recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to
understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> > >  
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the
"Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a
Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the
quality of the animation.
> > >
> > > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that
show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear
explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a
different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> > >
> > > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD
below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the
plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking
about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better
than anything in Season 7.
> > >
> > > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are
serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising
himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age
of 5 would swallow.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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#4757 From: "franciscopedro39" <franciscopedro39@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:53 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Oh, the good old "you don't like it because you don't GET IT" approach and the
whole "only a person as sophisticated as me can appreciate this work of art"
tactic. The Emperor's New Clothes all over again. I am about to say what many
don't say, but 99% of your posts here (which usually amount to how great
whatever later season released on DVD is and how stupid and idiotic the early
episodes are) are not only obnoxious and self-righteous rants, but clearly
designed to irritate fans of the show. It's really no wonder this board has
fewer regular members every time I revisit.

   At first I thought you were just a troll, though now I am starting to have my
doubts.
The Seal was included because it was a fan favorite. The Martyr isn't, not
because only smart people can understand, but because it is a poorly filmed and
poorly written episode. A pathetic attempt to bring modern politics into the
show. The kind of "obvious political commentary" stuff that destroyed the third
season of Star Trek.

  Your explanation is downright insulting and condescending, not to mention
untrue since the fifth VHS set consists of The Mind of Stephan Miklos and Live
Bait, two episodes of Mission at its most cerebral (but hey, I guess they can't
compete with the brilliance of Season 6-7 with the team battling Joe Don Baker's
and his eating habits, right?)

  I didn't admit "not understanding" anything, and I understand Mission pretty
well thank you. In your point of view, 99% of Mission's fans (and I assume most
of them dislike The Martyr, assuming they have ever bothered to see it) do not
have the same level of sophisticated intelligence of a French person to
understand the complexities of this masterpiece that The Martyr is supposed to
be. The Seal was included because it is a fan favorite, while The Martyr is
considered by many fans to be a terrible episode. (I will admit plenty of weak
episodes were included in the second patch of volumes, such as Cocaine and The
Pendulum...)

  "most what we all consider..."

  LOL, who's "we"? Though there are fans like me who enjoy the later seasons, I
have never met anyone or encountered any written word that Seasons 6-7 are the
best. No one. As far as I know not even the French (who are known for strange
opinions such as their extreme love for Jerry Lewis and the Tara King episodes
of The Avengers). You say I confuse quality with popularity... the following is
proof that I don't since I like Seasons 4 and 5. Mission: Impossible is pretty
much Seasons 2-3 to the outside world. Good luck finding anyone out there under
the age of 30 who knows Leonard Nimoy was in it, let alone that there was a
different IMF leader before Peter Graves. Nimoy himself states how no one even
remembers he was in the show, and how he never gets asked about it in
interviews.

  You speak of Space: 1999 as if it were Stanislaw Lem so clearly there is no
point on going further with that. I can't comprehend how a Mission fan can truly
appreciate a show which had the to most impressive Mission actors wasting their
talents week after week.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission
Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very
difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit
more challenging.
>  
> Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and
popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including
the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do
with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On
the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other
hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be
appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best
of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity,
not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the
essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5,
6 and 7), was not included.
>  
> John
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
>
>
> The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in
Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best
episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also
considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my
opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful
ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality
footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
>
>   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near the
mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the
show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the
history of Mission.
>
> Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's
team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the
time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every
bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit
the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that
tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with
Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept
which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second
season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the
show.
>
> Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to inject
depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
>
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> >
> > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right
thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with
more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues,
complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series,
one of the best series ever produced by television.
> >  
> > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called
"The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because
that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the
period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of
Mission Impossible ever.
> >  
> > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the
best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly
recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to
understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> >
> >
> > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the "Seasons
1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a Disney
film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the quality of
the animation.
> >
> > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that
show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear
explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a
different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> >
> > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD
below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the
plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking
about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better
than anything in Season 7.
> >
> > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are
serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising
himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age
of 5 would swallow.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

#4756 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:53 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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I don't want to comment on any specific season 7 episode until Thomas has
finished reviewing season 6. But I have been enjoying the first few season 7
episodes that I have watched in the first volume.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm happy to hear that you also enjoy "Break!", Erik.  Season seven starts off
with a bang, top quality stuff, just like in season six.  I look forward to you
and Thomas getting the DVD box so we can have deeper discussions and debates.
>  
> John
>
> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: erikemiller <erikemiller@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 4:11 AM
>
>
> I have been so busy that I have not ordered season seven yet! I don't think
it's available in the US until November. Looking forward to it however, "Break!"
is a good one. And for trivia it is only one of three episodes which mention
"the Secretary" in a scene outside the tape scene or briefing scene. The other
two are "The Confession" and "My Friend, My Enemy."
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> >
> > I will try not to watch the season seven episodes too quickly, trying to
adjust myself to your pace, but if the rest of the season is as good as the
first episode, this will be very difficult.  My initial impression is that
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE ended with an explosion of top quality episodes, reaching a
level of quality it had never even touched before!!!  I look very much forward
to hearing more of your thoughts in December and in 2010 as you start reviewing
each of the episodes in detail.
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, bellerocorp <filigrane@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: bellerocorp <filigrane@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:41 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > OK.  I will be careful in what I am saying, trying not to spoil anything,
> > >but I felt tremendously happy watching the first entry for this season. 
> > >Extremely good stuff!!!  When do you expect to receive your DVD box? 
> > >I thought you had already watched all the season seven episodes several
times. 
> > >Or have you only watched the French language version of the episodes so
far?
> >
> >
> >
> > I only watched the French version and never experienced in
> > the original English language. It will be a brand new sensation for me.
> > I will get my box set on November 30. Then, I will watch one a week slowly.
> > Please wait for the reviews in 2010. And read my weekly season 6 reviews.
> > ***IMF Out***
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
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>

#4755 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:36 am
Subject: Re: GEORGE ROMANIS' MISSION season 6 blog
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I appreciate the research and detail you bring to describing and analyzing the
different scores. Is an excellent resource.
--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, filigrane <filigrane@...> wrote:
>
> Hello MISSIONists,
>
> I invite you to read my latest blog entry:
> George ROMANIS on Mission: Impossible Season 6 (1971-1972)
> http://filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6364/George-ROMANIS-
> on-%3Ci%3EMission--Impossible%3Ci%3E-Season-6-1971-1972/
>
> ***IMF Out***
>
> Thomas
>

#4754 From: "erikemiller" <erikemiller@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:30 am
Subject: Re: Season seven
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Well my post office surprised me today because when I got home season 7 was in
the mail. Excellent picture quality and beautiful 5.1 surround. It's just
awesome!

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission
Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very
difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit
more challenging.
>  
> Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and
popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including
the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do
with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On
the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other
hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be
appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best
of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity,
not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the
essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5,
6 and 7), was not included.
>  
> John
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/21/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM
>
>
> The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in
Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best
episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also
considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my
opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful
ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality
footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.
>
>   Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near the
mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the
show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the
history of Mission.
>
> Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's
team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the
time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every
bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit
the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that
tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with
Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept
which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second
season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the
show.
>
> Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to inject
depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.
>
>
> --- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, "John K. Balor" <balor1999@>
wrote:
> >
> > Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right
thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with
more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues,
complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series,
one of the best series ever produced by television.
> >  
> > You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called
"The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because
that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the
period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of
Mission Impossible ever.
> >  
> > Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the
best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly
recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to
understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
> >  
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@>
> > Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> > To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
> >
> >
> > You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the "Seasons
1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a Disney
film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the quality of
the animation.
> >
> > Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that
show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear
explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a
different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
> >
> > And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD
below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the
plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking
about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better
than anything in Season 7.
> >
> > The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are
serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising
himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age
of 5 would swallow.
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#4753 From: "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: GEORGE ROMANIS' MISSION season 6 blog
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It's always great to see these magnificent blog entries.
 
John

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Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] GEORGE ROMANIS' MISSION season 6 blog
To: "Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com" <Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 7:36 PM



Hello MISSIONists,

I invite you to read my latest blog entry:
George ROMANIS on Mission: Impossible Season 6 (1971-1972)
http://filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6364/George-ROMANIS-on-%3Ci%3EMission--Impossible%3Ci%3E-Season-6-1971-1972/

***IMF Out***

Thomas




#4752 From: filigrane <filigrane@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: GEORGE ROMANIS' MISSION season 6 blog
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Hello MISSIONists,

I invite you to read my latest blog entry:
George ROMANIS on Mission: Impossible Season 6 (1971-1972)
http://filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6364/George-ROMANIS-on-%3Ci%3EMission--Impossible%3Ci%3E-Season-6-1971-1972/

***IMF Out***

Thomas

#4751 From: "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Season seven
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I find it interesting how you admit to not understanding neither Mission Impossible nor Space 1999.  In my opinion, these are not shows that are very difficult to understand, although Space 1999 (first season) is perhaps a bit more challenging.
 
Perhaps the reason for your confusion is that you mix up quality and popularity.  I also have the VHS "best of Mission Impossible" series including the episode about the cat, but the reason they included it probably has to do with "The seal" appealing to five year olds, not that it is a good episode.  On the contrary, it is awful.  An excellent episode like "The Martyr", on the other hand, is not included because it requires a certain amount of intelligence to be appreciated.  In fact, very few of the best episodes were included on the "best of" series of tapes.  The selected episodes were "best" in terms of popularity, not in terms of being actually particularly good.  Most what we all consider the essential Mission Impossible stuff, the reason why we love the series (season 5, 6 and 7), was not included.
 
John


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From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...>
Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 2:53 AM

The Seal the worst episode of Mission and The Martyr a masterpiece? Am I in Bizarro world? Is that maybe why The Seal is loved by fans as one of the best episodes and included in the Best of Mission: Impossible VHS? The Martyr is also considered one of the worst episodes ever. It's actually the second worst in my opinion, hard to compete with Encounter. I've seen it only once and that awful ending with the zoom shot to the villain's face while grainy poor quality footage of student revolts around the world played had me laughing to bits.

  Landau and Bain did not leave Mission for Space: 1999 (Space began near the mid seventies, Landau left in the late sixties) and they did not "leave" the show because they wanted to as you put it. You should learn more about the history of Mission.

Space: 1999 was nice to look at, but sadly overcome with Gerry Anderson's team's inability to deal with serious science fiction. It was dismissed at the time and rightfully so, with US reviewers saying how Landau and Bain were every bit as expressionless as the puppets in Anderson's previous shows. I will admit the first season has some good episodes (the one about the space Dragon that tricks people into going to the space graveyard for example or the one with Christopher Lee) but the show was never able to overcome its ridiculous concept which was meant for viewers who watched Socooby Doo. As awful as the second season was, I can't blame the American producer's decision to dumb down the show.

Anderson was good at making unpretentious kids shows. Once he tries to inject depth, we get stuff like Journey to the End of the Universe.


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>
> Space 1999 was a wonderful series.  I think Landau and Bain did the right thing in leaving the chidlish Mission Impossible in order to get involved with more mature sort of drama that dealt with psychological and sociological issues, complex people dealing with complex situations.  That was a wonderful series, one of the best series ever produced by television.
>  
> You make me laugh when you bring up the incredibly stupid episode called "The Seal", especially when you compare Mission Impossible with Disney, because that episode reminds me of typical Disney live action family movies of the period.  Definitely a pain to watch, and quite possible the worst episode of Mission Impossible ever.
>  
> Nevertheless, I like the way you contrast it with "The Martyr", one of the best episodes of the series.  Are you sure you understood it?  I would highly recommend that you read Thomas' brilliant analysis of the episode in order to understand how great it is.  It is a masterpiece!!!
>  
> John
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/18/09, franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: franciscopedro39 <franciscopedro39@...>
> Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Season seven
> To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:15 PM
>
>
> You do realize how obnoxious, self-righteous, and condescending the "Seasons 1-3 are for kids" statement is, right? That would be as putting down a Disney film because it was "meant for kids," for example, regardless of the quality of the animation.
>
> Aren't you that guy who thinks Space: 1999 is a masterpiece? Didn't that show involve the moon being knocked out of the Earth's orbit by a nuclear explosion and being sent off into space meeting a different planet and a different civilization every week? Lost in Space had a more believable premise.
>
> And saying Seasons 1-3 are meant for kids is just ridiculous... NO CHILD below the age of 10 would be able to watch any M:I episode and understand the plot. This is not a children's show. Regardless of which season we're talking about. But nice of you to mention the classic episode "The Seal", far better than anything in Season 7.
>
> The Martyr the turning point of Mission? I just can't believe you are serious. IMO, that is one of the worst episodes of all time. Paris disguising himself as a college student, now that is something only a kid beneath the age of 5 would swallow.
>
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#4750 From: "John K. Balor" <balor1999@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Episode Review (s6-ep21): "Casino"
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Ditto!!  Waiting for Thomas' weekly review is the highlight of the week, and I always try to keep up to date watching the episode a few days in advance.  As I watched "Casino" a couple of days ago, my feelings were very much like how Thomas summarizes the show.  It is not a particularly novel episode and there is not much deep meaning in it, political or otherwise, but it is fun to watch.  Another season six winner!
 
John

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, erikemiller <erikemiller@...> wrote:

From: erikemiller <erikemiller@...>
Subject: [Mission_Impossible_1966] Re: Episode Review (s6-ep21): "Casino"
To: Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 4:15 AM

Another excellent review Thomas. I love Casino. I will be watching it this weekend and posting my thoughts shortly.

--- In Mission_Impossible_1966@yahoogroups.com, filigrane <filigrane@...> wrote:
>
> 148-CASINO
> (produced by Laurence Heath)
>     
> Prologue:
> Focus on a roulette of a casino and its players. In the back of the place,
> Orin Kerr gets down the stairs near a bar, snaps his fingers and orders two
> hoods in suit to nab a swindler (³Gray-haired man and his right hand²) at
> the crap table number two. Kerr heads to the cheating player whose arms are
> held by the two hoods. The player tries to explain himself but Kerr orders
> his hoods to throw him away: ³Don¹t kill him boys. Just make him wish you
> had². Kerr continues his tour, stops a blonde woman and orders her to go to
> Blackjack table number three (he writes down a note that he gives her) and
> to ³pick up a thousand². He then calls a card dealer and instructs him
> discreetly in the ear. Bill Wicks pops up from the rear and informs Kerr
> that Cameron just called and he wants to meet him downtown at the Hurion
> Warehouse. Kerr asks him the meaning of ³wants² and Wicks anwers: ³Well, he
> wasn¹t asking, boss, he was telling.² At night, under a heavy rain, we see a
> car arriving through the windshield of another (from an out of focus
> headlight to an in focus of the car). Wicks comes out with an umbrella and
> opens the door to his boss who enters the warehouse. Kerr meets Syndicate
> man Steve Cameron, accompanied by Aquarius chief accountant Mel Simpson and
> Cameron¹s hit man Joe Hogan. Kerr asks Cameron what¹s Simpson doing here?
> Simpson tries to mellow Kerr, Cameron orders him to shut up and explains to
> Kerr that he is a mole from the State Attorney General¹s office and that
> they found a microfilm about his books on him (Cameron shows the evidence).
> Kerr takes a close look at the contents of the film while Cameron comments:
> ³From there, it¹s only one step to breaking the code and figuring out
> exactly how much money goes back East.² Cameron lectures Kerr about this
> breach of security: ³You spend $2 million building a new vault in the
> casino. And then you hire him.² Kerr refuses to be reprimanded, explains his
> career and justifies his activities for the Syndicate. Cameron is playing
> with the bow tie of Kerr and tells him the organization doesn¹t trust him
> and that he was sent to manage. Kerr stares at the accountant, moves towards
> him and puts on his right black-leathered glove to gently hits his right
> shoulder, takes the handgun given by Hogan and exclaims: ³All right,
> SimpsonŠ Let¹s go². Kerr walks to isolate himself from the group and Simpson
> follows him. Simpson worries: ³What are you going to do?² And Kerr replies:
> ³You made me look bad.² Simpson continues: ³Orin! These other guys, the hard
> typesŠ You¹re different. We can make a deal.² Kerr smiles and concludes:
> ³HmmŠ I just seem to beŠ (Simpson looses his smile) Too bad, too. (Zoom in
> on Kerr¹s face) You were so good at figures.² The three underworld men watch
> the execution at a remote distance (all seen in profile: Hogan in the
> foreground, Cameron in the middle and Wicks in the background) and we hear a
> gunshot. Wicks looks at Cameron and moves forward to his boss who comes
> closer to Cameron. Kerr gives the gun back to Hogan (while Wicks puts on the
> blue coat of his boss) and he tells Cameron in a sinister way: ³Good night,
> Mr. Cameron². When Kerr is on his way to leave, Cameron gives him a last
> piece of advice: ³Kerr? Be more careful. Next time, it could be you² and he
> turns around to listen. Kerr and Wicks finally exit. Cameron and Hogan stare
> at each other.
>
> Tape scene:
> It is the complete scene from ³Mindbend².
> The camera pans over the bay from a village boathouse, a man walking up a
> gangway to a lighthouse-like observation tower where Jim gets up the outside
> stairs, stops to look around, carries on to the top floor and opens a door
> to enter the place. He now goes up the interior stairs to reach the top of
> the tower, steps ouside, bends down and in a squatting position, he unlocks
> a grey footlocker. He grabs the A4 envelop and the reel player.
>
> Summary:
> To force Orin Kerr to testify and cooperate with politician Peter Wiley
> (working for the State Attorney General¹s office) in the bill that will ban
> corruption in the game, the IMF steal Aquarius casino¹s money from the
> high-tech vault to discredit him in the eyes of the Syndicate and its
> representative Steve Cameron who wishes to take his social position and taps
> his office.
>
> Cast and details:
> € Aquarius Casino manager/dandy playboy Orin Kerr played by Jack Cassidy
> € Kerr¹s henchman Bill Wicks played by Frank Christi
> € Syndicate controller Steve Cameron played by Richard Devon (returning from
> the season 1 ³A Spool There Was²)
> € Cameron¹s hit man Joe Hogan (with a moustache) played by Eddie Ryder
> (returning from the season 2 "The Town")
> € Aquarius cashier/Cameron¹s spy Kelp played by Frank Farmer (returning from
> the season 5 "A Ghost Story")
> € F.B.I. agent posing as Kerr¹s chief accountant Mel Simpson played by Biff
> Elliot
> € West Coast politician Peter Wiley played by Walker Edmiston
> € Blonde showgirl Jane played by Dee Gardner
>
> Jim Phelps
> Jim poses as the ³late² former mastermind robber and convicted Roger ³Russ²
> Neeley who used to steal $734,000 from the mail train; Jim customizes the
> circuits of the connections from the Utility room to bypass Hogan¹s bug and
> replaces it with a recording of Kerr¹s voice. In the recording entitled
> ³Kerr¹s Dialogue², Kerr calls Jim by the name of McCann.
>
> Lisa Casey
> Casey poses as gambling junky Miss Alice Johnson, helped by Jim who pays his
> $400 debt; Casey carries a magnetic handbag to remove a money box. Both Jim
> and Casey go to the deserted town Sandsville to get the stolen casino loot
> back and are threatened in an old barn by Kerr followed by Cameron and
> finally, Barney as a mobster.
>
> Barney Collier
> Barney poses as Caribbean mobster representative Frederick Dawson, wearing a
> fancy English suit and a pair of tinted spectacles. He poses as a Heating
> and Air Conditioning repairman who drives a white van.
>
> Willy Armitage
> Willy poses as Blackjack croupier Sam Evans, sent by Chicago gangster Bill
> Collins; Willy discreetly substitutes his money box with Casey¹s one and
> alerts Barney with his wristwatch.
>
> Divided story
>
> Act 1
> In the corridor of the Aquarius casino next to a flower shop, Jim heads to
> the Utility room and opens the circuits closet. Cameron walks in the same
> corridor, crosses the flower shop and enters a secret room where Hogan
> eavesdrops on Kerr via a tape recorder. Cameron asks him some news about
> Kerr but nothing except he is talking with a blonde showgirl. The camera
> shows the listening system: from the tape recorder to the line that goes
> through the wall. Cameron exits. Jim examines the eavesdropping line and
> draws a walkie-talkie pen from his jacket and calls Casey so that she lowers
> the wire. At Aquarius Room 311, Casey answers with the same device. She
> opens the grill of the vent and inserts the wire. At the gaming room, behind
> the wheels of fortune, Willy appears, crosses the place, stops near Kerr¹s
> private office and knocks at the door when Wicks opens up. Willy introduces
> himself as Sam Evans from Chicago and Wicks lets him in while cashier Kelp
> watches them and presses a red button on a telephone to alert Hogan who
> raises the sound level of his recorder and listens to Wicks who introduces
> Sam Evans (Willy) sent by Bill Collins to Kerr who acknowledges his arrival.
> In his office, Kerr leaves the lunch table of showgirl Jane and walks to a
> desk to check out Collins¹ letter which contains spelling errors. Kerr asks
> Willy what is his job? He answers: ³Blackjack². Kerr points a chair to Jane
> (that he calls ³June²) at the gaming table and invites Willy to take a seat
> (behind a painting of a nude woman). Kerr gives Jane a pile of chips and he
> adds: ³Plus anything you can win from Mr. Sam Evans here². Wicks gives two
> piles of chips to Willy. Kerr passes a deck of cards to Willy so that he
> shows his Blackjack¹s ability. Willy is blending the cards like a pro under
> the eyes of both underworld men. Jim grabs the wire from the vent, inserts
> it through the bottom of the closet, connects it to a portable device that
> he opens to apply the listening line of Hogan. Jane is playing (she made a
> splitting and a stick) against Willy who deals cards in silence and unfolds
> his. He wins and asks her to place her bets again. Hogan is still listening.
> Jim sticks the device to the circuits panel and cuts the line of Hogan with
> a pair of red pliers. He closes the panel and the door of the closet and
> leaves the Utility room and walks to the elevator. Jane looses again and
> Willy takes her chips when the hand of Kerr stops his course. He tells Willy
> that he is a cheater: ³You tinhorn chiseler you² and gives back the chips to
> Jane who hardly understands to have been conned. She gets up, thanks Kerr
> and on her way to leave the room, she tells Willy that he is okay. Wicks
> watches her exit and Kerr gets up and lectures Willy in a very serious and
> upset way. Willy apologizes and justifies himself by saying: ³I thoughtв
> Kerr doesn¹t like these two words and repeats them to underline Willy¹s
> wrong attitude. Wicks watches both men in silence while chewing his gum.
> Suddenly, Kerr changes his tone, smiles and congratulates him: ³That¹s
> pretty good². Willy smiles as well as Wicks. Kerr tells him he can work from
> now on and that Wicks will show him the way. Willy thanks Kerr. In her
> bedroom, Casey has finished to get dressed in front of a mirror when someone
> knocks at the door. She lets in Jim who reports that they are connected to
> Hogan¹s line and the warning line of cashier Kelp. She tells Jim she is on
> her way to cash another check and exits. Barney makes his entrance in the
> gaming room, gets down the steps of the bar, takes a look around, crosses
> the place, stops near slots machines and takes another look around, heads to
> Kerr¹s office and knocks at the door. Wicks opens up and Barney introduces
> himself as Frederick Dawson. Wicks relates him to the Caribbean Syndicate,
> confirms that he is expected and points him the way in. Cashier Kelp pushes
> the red button of a telephone. Still in the bedroom of Casey, Jim takes the
> wires that he connects to a portable unit while sitting near a desk and he
> takes an audio reel labeled ³Kerr¹s Dialogue². In his office, Kerr pours two
> glasses of whiskey in the shelves bar and moves to Barney to pass him a
> drink and proposes a toast: ³To a pleasant stay, Mr. Dawson². Barney thanks
> him and Kerr explains he¹s contacted his organization to make a change. Jim
> listens to the real conversation while his tape player provides an audio
> background to Hogan who believes hearing Kerr and Barney dealing with money.
> At Kerr¹s office, Barney explains he is here to evaluate the casino
> operations. Kerr reassures him when Barney gives him his newspaper that
> refers to his exposed public image. Jim is still listening and Hogan too.
> The headline of The Star Dispatch reads: ³State Investigator Calls Orin Kerr
> Syndicate Official² and a picture of Peter Wiley (Barney makes him notice
> that he used to be a very discreet man) and he then looks at the bottom of
> the page to read the news about a train robbery and the picture of
> mastermind burglar Roger Neeley (Jim).  Kerr reassures Barney again by
> telling him that by tomorrow his name will never be mentioned in the
> newspaper because the State legislature will end. Barney is relieved,
> informs him they will have another meeting and that he stays here for a few
> days. They shake hands (Kerr offers him unlimited credits at the casino) and
> he exits. Wicks opens the door to Barney and asks his boss if is he really
> thinking about making a change? Kerr confirms and explains he needs some
> money to buy and run the casino alone. Casey crosses the gaming room and
> stops at the cashier desk. Mr. Kelp identifies her as Miss Johnson. She
> tells him she is still loosing and begs for another $300 check. Mr. Kelp
> offers her $200 and she¹s satisfied, writes her check and he passes her the
> chips. He warns her to go slow. At the flower shop secret room, Cameron
> steps in and asks Hogan what¹s happening? Hogan informs him that Kerr is
> planning something, lets him hear the tape and he learns that Kerr will pay
> $500,000 to Dawson tonight. At Casey¹s bedroom, Jim pours himself a cup of
> coffee when someone knocks at the door. Jim puts back the coffee pot to the
> next table, draws his handgun from his pants and asks the identity of the
> person. It¹s Barney who enters and takes off his spectacles. Jim asks him if
> everything work well and Barney acknowledges. At the roulette table, Casey
> is interrupted by Wicks who tells her to follow him because she is in
> trouble. Casey doesn¹t understand, starts to get upset because she¹s got
> money on the carpet. Wicks asks her to remain calm and holds her left arm.
> She gets up and ³33, black² win. Wicks tells her she just lost. They move
> out.
>
> Act 2
> Hogan and Cameron finish to listen to the tape. Cameron ascertains that Kerr
> talked to the Caribbean connection and Hogan asks his boss if the Syndicate
> will let Kerr operate. Cameron believes that Kerr has found a new way to
> make more money. Kelp presses the red button of his telephone and Barney
> switches on his tape player and listens to the office via a headphone. At
> his office, Kerr pours himself a glass of whiskey, walks around Casey who
> sits near the desk, calls her Alice and lectures her about her phony checks.
> Barney carries on listening while Hogan and Cameron hear another version of
> the conversation dealing with Casey¹s boyfriend. At his office, Kerr tells
> Casey that the balance on her bank account is of $37.52 and she owes them
> $400. Casey does the naive act of winning at the roulette and Kerr replies
> with irony: ³Oh, where have we heard that song before? (Wicks smiles and
> looks at his boss) Dear Alice, what are we gonna do with you?² Casey
> continues her naive act and tells him a friend will help her. Kerr replies:
> ³Oh, another old, familiar refrain² and gives her three hours to raise the
> money and must remain in the premises otherwise she will be banned from the
> casino. Casey confirms, stands up, takes her handbag and leaves. Wicks looks
> puzzled and Kerr asks him what¹s on his mind? Wicks tells him that she
> cannot raise the $400 in three hours and Kerr replies coldly: ³I don¹t want
> her to². Wicks smiles and points a finger (as a handgun) at his boss as a
> friendly act. Kerr smiles and laughs in a diabolical way too. At the secret
> flower room, both underworld men learn that Casey will bring his boyfriend
> to Kerr. Hogan asks his boss what does he think about it? Willy goes to the
> cashier desk, Kelp passes him a take box, informs him to work at table #2
> and to bring back the box at the end of the shift. Willy makes a derogatory
> remark: ³Why, uh‹is that supposed to be hard to remember?² Kelp replies in a
> dead serious way: ³We got comedians in the lounge² and passes Willy the key
> of the box. Willy walks out and replaces a Blackjack employee who takes his
> box back. Willy installs his. Jim and Casey head to the office of Kerr.
> Smoking a cigarette, Wicks lets them enter. Kelp presses the red button of
> his telephone. Barney activates the tape player and listens to. Cameron and
> Hogan hears Kerr calling Jim by the name of McCann. Hogan asks his boss if
> he knows any McCann? They hear Kerr talking about working with Jim. At his
> office, Kerr receives his payback of $400 in the hand of Jim who is leaving
> with Casey that he lectures. Kerr calls him Mr. Neeley. He is surprised and
> Kerr shows him the local newspaper. He is on parole for a 1959 job he claims
> not to do and reveals to have been framed. Kerr wonder how did he manage to
> pay $400 after spending 12 years in prison? Jim justifies himself and tells
> him he has good friends. Kerr remains suspicious and asks him if he plans
> ³to do some more gambling²? Jim says no and is going to stay in the region
> for a few days and tells off gently Casey that she ruined his fun. She
> apologizes. On his way to leave, Jim is offered $1,000 by Kerr. Jim doesn¹t
> understand the meaning of this act. Kerr says: ³Charity². Jim accepts the
> present and tells if he wins he pays him back right away and if not in a
> couple of weeks. Kerr specifies that drinks are on the house. Jim smiles,
> thanks Kerr and leaves by the door, smiles again at Kerr and exits. Kerr
> tells Wicks that there must a reason why Jim has still friends. Barney
> continues listening and the underworld men hear Kerr and Jim refering to the
> arrival (8:00) of an armored truck and that the plan of the stickup will be
> explained in Alice¹s room. Hogan tells his boss they plan to heist the
> casino¹s vault. Cameron remains cautious, is not convinced and he is on his
> way to have a talk with Jim and Casey. At Casey¹s apartment, Barney rewinds
> the tape and tidies up the equipment in a case that Casey brings him when
> Jim passes him the wire. Barney leaves with the case. Jim asks Casey the map
> and she opens the top drawer of a desk and passes it to him. Jim sees the
> name of a town named Sandsville when someone knocks at the door. Jim hides
> behind the door with a handgun and Casey asks the identity of the person. A
> voice says ³telegram². She opens up and Cameron and Hogan force their way
> in. Jim take them by surprise and orders them to raise their hands. At
> night, Barney drives a white van named ³Copley ­ Heating and Air
> Conditioning², turns on the left, gets down, stops in front of the fence of
> the Aquarius Theatrical Storage and honks the horn twice. A Security guard
> comes out of the ³Employees Only² door, walks around the van, takes Barney¹s
> log to sign it and gives it back.  The guard pushes the red button to open
> the fence and Barney drives on, turns on the right, runs in a long corridor,
> turns on the left and parks. He comes out of his vehicle, walks in front of
> the hood, gets up on the front ladder, reaches the rooftop to open the
> ceiling ventilation shaft. At the gaming room, people play at the roulette
> (same footage used at the start of the prologue) and Jim and Casey play at
> the Blackjack table supervised by Willy. Jim calls the waitress and asks her
> another drink. At the bar, Kerr is smoking a cigarette, accompanied by
> Wicks, and stops waitress Candy and orders bartender Charlie to fill up
> Jim¹s glass real full. Wicks tells his boss that Jim already had too many
> drinks. Out of the blue, politician Peter Wiley pops up, stops at the
> counter and greets Kerr: ³Well, Kerr, you¹re in an expansive mood tonight.²
> Kerr introduces Wiley to Wicks who shakes his hand. Kerr asks Wiley the
> purpose of his visit: ³Well, Peter, what brings you here? Spoiling your
> image?² and Wiley replies:  Oh, making sure you know, if you ever need a
> friend, you¹ve got one. For a little testimony, of course². Kerr asks him
> what is he drinking? He replies quickly: ³Nothing². And tells gently:
> ³Thanks. Good night² and exits. At the Blackjack table, Jim is over-excited.
> Kerr asks Wicks how much is Jim into them for? Wicks says ³five grands² and
> Kerr is astonished. Jim receives his drink and thanks the waitress while
> Willy turns his head towards the bar and sees Kerr that signals him to stop
> Jim dead: Kerr uses his hand as a knife and pretends to cut his throat. Jim
> looses. At Casey¹s apartment, Cameron and Hogan are sat, gagged and tied up
> to chairs back to back but try to escape. Barney takes a bucket device fom
> the rooftop of the van and installs it to the ceiling of the ventilation
> shaft by sticking it. Jim looses again. Willy looks at Kerr who gives a nod
> to Wicks. Barney gets down the front ladder, walks to the front seat, slides
> in a door, enters the back, switches on a wall computer and looks at his
> wristwatch that gives the international time. Willy tells that the house
> wins and Jim looses again. Kerr gives a nod to Wicks (same footage). Jim
> gets furious, takes the hand of Willy and accuses him of cheating, Willy
> gives a nod and two security men master him and throw him out of the table.
> As a diversion, Jim complains to Kerr while Willy takes down the money box,
> bends down under the table, catches the handbag of Casey to swallow and hide
> his box and grabs the device-ladden box. Casey bends down, takes her hand
> bag and leaves the table. The customers watch Jim¹s scene. Kerr orders Jim
> to follow him into his office to have a talk. Jim refuses but the two
> security men bring him by force to the office along with Kerr and Wicks.
>
> Act 3
> Willy arrives at the cashier desk and gives the take box. Kelp asks what¹s
> going on at his table? Willy replies: ³Oh, some drunk lost a few bucks.²
> Kelp takes the box and leaves his post when Willy looks at his wristwatch
> and presses the top button to send a buzzer signal to Barney who sits at the
> computer console and watches a monitor. Kelp enters the security corridor
> leading to the vault, gets down the stairs, presses the top button on the
> wall to open a trap door, inserts and lets slide the take box inside and
> presses the bottom button to close up. The box moves on a conveyor belt,
> opens itself from the front and lets appear a camera. Barney watches the
> travel of the take box, switches on the ³steering² mechanism, and turns the
> knob so that the box pans and drives on the left. The box falls on the floor
> and is upside down. He switches on the ³roll-over² mechanism and the box
> lifts up itself on one side, he switches on again the ³roll-over² mechanism,
> the box lifts up itself on one side again and finds its balance. He switches
> on the ³drive² mechanism, turns the knob and the box runs in the vault,
> stops in front of the two batteries. He switches on the ³drill² mechanism
> and the box bores a hole one one battery which blows up. He switches off the
> robot box and gets out from the back of the van. At Kerr¹s office, Jim feels
> sick because of the drinks. Kerr pours a cup of coffee and gives it to him.
> Kerr offers him a cigarette and lights him. Kerr asks him how is going to
> pay his checks (³You¹re five grand in the red²)? Barney is back in the
> ventilation shaft, activates the bucket device that bores a hole in the
> ceiling and emits and projects sparks. He puts on his protective spectacles
> and his gloves. Jim tells Kerr that the Blackjack game was crooked. Kerr
> asks him again how is going to take care of his debts? Jim gets up and tells
> Kerr he is on his way to play and win at the crap table. Kerr refuses he
> plays until he pays back and threatens to call the  police. Jim is annoyed
> because he is on parole and it will send him back to the pen. Kerr insists
> heavily to get his money. Jim agrees to obtain him the amount. Kerr asks him
> when? Jim says: ³Couple hours². Kerr agrees and reminds him to be fair: ³I¹m
> sure you intend to play it straight². Jim drops his cigarette in the cup of
> coffee and leaves. The device finishes off the hole and Barney removes it
> and his spectacles. He gets down, grabs a yellow telescopic valve from the
> rooftop, unfolds it, drags it to the ventilation shaft, inserts it in the
> hole, turns the braces to fix the valve on the top of the hole. He gets down
> the ventilation shaft and the rooftop (same footage used during Act 2) and
> resumes to the back of the van and sits in front of the console. He switches
> on the pump device, starts to turn on the knob of the generator and the
> turbine and goes to the maximum level. Suddenly, all the wads of bills fly
> over the room and go down to the hole. Barney watches the glass tube
> container fill itself up. He turns the knobs back to 0. The vault is empty.
> He switches off the device, gets up, takes a US Mail bag from a stool, moves
> to unlock the glass container and removes the metal basket. He opens the
> mail bag so that he will empty the bills. Jim and Casey come out of the
> elevator, head to the basement when Wicks points his finger at them to his
> boss. Kerr gives him a nod and they move to the basement.
>
> Act 4
> The Security guard makes some ³go ahead² signs to Barney who drives his way
> out of the Aquarius storage. In the hall of the casino, Willy calls the
> casino hotel authorities on the public phone, asks to talk to the bell
> captain and tells him to check out Room 311. Jim drives Casey in his blue
> car (shot day for night) and runs on a countryside road and they are tailed
> by Wicks who drives Kerr and tells him that they are heading to Sandsville.
> A young bellhop unlocks Room 311 and his Captain switches on the light. They
> see tied up Cameron and Hogan and release them. Jim continues his ride (same
> car footage) and tells Casey that Barney is on his way to Sandsville and has
> taken a shortcut to be over there before them by ten minutes. Wicks and Kerr
> still tail them (same car footage). Hogan is reading the map left by Jim on
> purpose and shows his boss the ghost town Sandsville, located in the desert.
> They both come out of Room 311 and head to the cashier desk. Cameron orders
> a fund empoyee to open the glass door. Cameron, Hogan and Kelp step into the
> vault¹s security hall. Cameron asks Kelp when will the door to the vault
> open? Kelp says ³ten seconds². Hogan asks Kelp who are the two armed guards
> (carrying two money bags to transfer the fund)? Cameron asks Kelp if the
> guards belong to the casino? Kelp confirms with astonishment. The door of
> the vault opens up, Cameron is the first to enter followed by Kelp, Hogan.
> Cameron sees no money in the shelves and asks Kelp where are the funds and
> Kerr? Kelp doesn¹t know anything. Cameron moves out of the vault with Hogan.
> At Sandsville, Jim passes by the bank and parks near a hotel. Jim and Casey
> walk to a livery stable. Jim opens the door. They enter the barn and find
> Barney up in the first floor who gives Jim the ok. Jim gets up the stairs
> and searches the mail bag with Barney. The car of Wicks parks behind Jim¹s
> one. Kerr comes out. Casey turns his head because of the noise of the car
> and Jim tells Barney to go out. Barney gets up a ladder leading to the roof.
> Jim stands up and takes a pile of bank notes from the mail bag when Wicks
> orders him to freeze! Kerr orders Jim to bring down the loot but Jim
> complains: ³Kerr, I waited twelve years for this. You¹ll get your money.²
> Kerr makes a death threat to Jim to send Wicks up there and orders him to
> get down. Jim puts back the pile of cash, walks down the stairs and passes
> the loot to Kerr while lecturing Casey: ³You stupid‹this is all your fault!²
> Kerr orders Jim to shut up, dives his hand in the bag and enjoys the sight
> of the bank notes when Cameron and Hogan popup from behind and point their
> handguns at them. Hogan closes the door, confiscates the guns of Wicks and
> Kerr and throw them out far away and takes the money bag. Cameron accuses
> Kerr of stealing the money from the casino. Kerr is lost. Cameron warns him
> that he is about to die. Kerr justifies himself and tells the money come
> from a mail job done twelve years ago by Jim. Kerr orders Jim to confess his
> robbery but he refuses: ³You don¹t really think I¹d do anything to save your
> neck, do you?² Kerr insists that the loot¹s money comes from a 1959 job.
> Cameron picks up a few bills, reads the dates, smiles and gives the money to
> Kerr so that he checks the dates. Kerr stares at Jim and reads the dates
> outloud: ³ ¹60, ¹62, ¹68, It can¹tÅ   (zoom in on the bill¹s note) ¹69... (he
> stares at Jim again) It can¹t be². Cameron tells Kerr that the money is
> fresh and comes from his safe. Kerr stares at Cameron when armed
> Barney-as-Frederick Dawson bursts the door open and orders to hold it.
> Barney states to Kerr that he doesn¹t care where the money originates and
> orders Cameron and Hogan to drop their guns. He explains that he followed
> them down to Sandsville and is only interested in the deal Kerr made with
> his Caribbean organization. Kerr comes closer and agrees with Barney who
> takes his bills and orders him to wait outside and tells him he will take
> care of the underworld men. Wicks asks Barney what is going to do with him?
> Barney asks a confirmation to Kerr who answers: ³Nobody¹s okay with that
> kind of money laying around². Barney orders Wicks to move with the others
> and watches Kerr leave when Wicks bends down to grab his gun. Barney orders
> him to hold it‹Hogan drops the money bag‹and leads the three hoods to a room
> and locks up the door. Barney puts back the bills into the bag‹that Jim
> carries‹and exits alone with it. Kerr smiles at Barney and turns around to
> see a black limousine arriving. Kerr moves to the back seat¹s door when
> smiling Peter Wiley comes out and offers him two alternatives: to testify to
> the Legislature or to catch a ride into town with Cameron. Kerr replies with
> a rare sense of composure: ³Do you know, Peter, suddenly, I feel terribly
> public-spirited? I was just thinking, Å’what an outrage that the Syndicate
> has moved into gambling in this state.¹ We really ought to do something
> about that. Shall we?² Wiley invites him to take a seat and looks at Barney
> who closes the door behind him. The limousine leaves. Barney sees a car
> (off-camera) and goes warn his IMF friends in the barn. Jim seats in the
> front, Barney invites Casey to seat in the back and does so when Willy
> drives them out of there: freeze frame.
>
> Comments:
> Actor Jack Cassidy appeared in one ³I Spy² episode entitled ³The Trouble
> with Temple² and guest starred three times on ³Columbo²: see ³Murder by the
> Book², ³Publish or Perish² and ³Now You See Him². Character-actor Walker
> Edmiston previously appeared in four episodes of ³The Wild Wild West²: see
> ³The Night of the Fatal Trap², ³The Night of the Colonel¹s Ghost², ³The
> Night of the Turncoat² and ³The Night of the Camera². During the apartment
> scene, Jim informs the team that Orin Kerr designed his own computerized and
> automated fund vault and shows an edifying film; Casey tells Jim that audio
> tapes were recorded with an actor imitating the voice of Orin Kerr. As in
> ³Double Dead², Jim tells the team they have arrested a hood so that he will
> be replaced. As in ³The Code², Barney operates a moving robot that transmits
> images and drills. The tape scene that takes place in the lighthouse-like
> observation tower is here fully shown and already used in a re-edited form
> in ³Minbend². This is the last mob money plot of the season after "Run for
> the Money", "The Bride", ³Bag Woman², "Double Dead". As in ³Blind², ³The
> Miracle², ³Bag Woman², a Federal agent is trapped during the prologue. The
> bar set, that is in the casino, is recycled from ³The Tram² and ³Encounter².
> As in previous episodes (³Shape-Up², ³The Connection²), Willy wears his blue
> stripes gangster jacket. During Act 2 when Willy leaves the cashier desk
> with the box, we can see again the actress who plays Gladys Collins in
> ³Encore². Notice the grotesque red outfit of the waitresses who wear gold
> mini skirts. As in many episodes, some minor characters receive no credits:
> the two casino hood security men, waitress Candy and bartender Charly. The
> yellow valve comes from ³Image². As in ³Encore², the set that concludes the
> episode is recycled from a western film. As in "Bag Woman", Lalo Schifrin's
> "Intrigue" is heard in the prologue and also Act 1 but in the gaming room.
>
> Review:
> This is a good update of the season 3 game/vault-oriented ³The System² in
> which a female IMFer (Cinnamon/Casey) poses as a gambling junky to beg for
> checks to play and a casino manager (Johnny Costa/Orin Kerr) is forced by
> the IMF to testify against the big brass but with a sophisticated and
> eavesdropping leaning (see Joe Hogan, Jim and Barney) that recycles the
> stolen loot ploy from "The Mercenaries": Jim plays the part of Rollin and
> Barney bores again a hole in the ceiling. As the previous season 5 "The
> Merchant", this casino episode is broadcast at the end of the season. The
> gangster cast is very good, especially the casino duo of Jack Cassidy and
> Frank Christi who displays his nasty hood attitude by chewing his gum. The
> techno vault heist of Act 3 is the pinnacle of this entertaining episode:
> inside the delivery van, Barney orders the moving robot hidden inside a take
> box to blow up the batteries of the alarm system, bores a hole in the
> ceiling of the vent, then place a pump to suck in all the bank notes thanks
> to a supersonic device and put the loot in a US mail money bag. Notice three
> consecutive turns of the events from gangsters during the barn outcome of
> Act 4: Kerr/Wicks followed by Cameron/Hogan and Barney! The twist ending
> comes from ³Shape-Up², meaning a power figure must work with the law to cut
> short corruption. This is writer Howard Berk¹s third script, after
> ³Encounter² (alcohol) and ³Blues² (drug), in an addiction related trilogy:
> here, gambling.
>
> Stock music:
> € ³Intrigue² (prologue: the customers bet at the roulette; Act 1: Willy
> crosses the gaming room; Barney makes his entrance in the gaming room)
> € ³Blind² (prologue: Kerr moves towards the accountant and puts on his right
> black-leathered glove to gently hits his right shoulder; Act 2: Willy takes
> down the money box, bends down under the table and takes the handbag of
> Casey; Act 4: Hogan asks Kelp who are the two armed guards?)
> € ³The Visitors² (prologue: Wicks looks at Cameron and moves forward to his
> boss who comes closer to Cameron)
> € ³The Contender² (Act 1: Jim crosses the corridor of the Aquarius; Jim
> examines the eavesdropping line; Act 2: Barney gets down the front ladder
> and enters the back of the van)
> € ³The Bride² (Act 1: Jim grabs the wire from the vent and connects it to a
> portable device; Jim sticks the device to the circuits panel and cuts the
> line of Hogan; Still in the bedroom of Casey, Jim takes the wires that he
> connects to a portable unit; Jim listens to the real conversation while his
> tape player provides an audio background to Hogan; Jim is still listening
> and Hogan too; Act 2: Barney switches on his tape recorder and listen to via
> a headphone; At the secret flower room, both underworld men learn that Casey
> will bring his boyfriend to Kerr; Barney activates the tape player and
> listens to; Barney continues listening and the underworld men hears Kerr and
> Jim refering to the arrival of an armored truck; Act 3: the device finishes
> off the hole and Barney removes it)
> € ³Encore² (Act 1: Willy takes the chips of loosing Jane when the hand of
> Kerr stops his course; Wicks asks Casey to remain calm and holds her left
> arm; Act 2: Willy goes to the cashier desk and Kelp passes him a take box;
> Jim and Casey hear someone knocks at the door; Act 3: Willy returns to the
> cashier desk)
> € ³Run for the Money² (Act 2: Cameron and Hogan finish to listen to the
> tape; Act 4: They both come out of Room 311 and head to the cashier desk)
> € ³The Killer² (Act 2: At Casey¹s apartment, Barney rewinds the tape and
> tidies up the equipment in a case that Casey brings him; Barney drives a
> white delivery van to the Aquarius Storage fence; Act 3: Barney is back in
> the ventilation shaft, activates the bucket device that bores a hole in the
> ceiling; Barney gets up, takes a US Mail bag from a stool, moves to unlock
> the glass container; Act 4: Jim and Casey find Barney up in the first floor
> who gives Jim the ok; Cameron and Hogan popup from behind and point their
> handguns at Jim and Casey)
> € Jazz music heard in ³Cat¹s Paw² (Act 2: At the gaming room, people play at
> the roulette and Jim and Casey play at the Blackjack table supervised by
> Willy)
> € ³Takeover² (Act 2: Barney takes a bucket device fom the rooftop and
> installs it to the ceiling of the ventilation shaft; Act 4: Barney comes out
> of the Aquarius storage; At Sandsville, Jim passes by the bank and parks
> near a hotel; Barney puts back the bills into the bag and exits alone with
> it; Wiley invites Kerr to take a seat in the limousine and looks at Barney)
>
> ***IMF Out***
>
> Thomas
>




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