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#30

From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 2:32 am
Subject: Before tomorrow's episode

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I'll leave a bit of spoiler space

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So, tomorrow night the rape is supposed to be
resolved?  We know that supposedly Logan supplied the
drugs.  Do you think they're going to wimp out and
have it be that she was under the influence but
consented and just doesn't remember?  And who do you
think the other person(s) involved were?

My money's on Duncan.  They've been setting it up with
him having the blackouts and such to the fact it makes
me believe he's done something while out of it!

Susan

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From: "Brianna" <bjsimpson06@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: I thought I was the only one who loved these two!

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--- In Logan_Veronica@yahoogroups.com, "chboyd75" <chboyd75@y...> wrote:
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> Logan/Veronica have awesome chemistry! I picked up on that from the
> pilot. Thanks!

I noticed that from the get-go too. it's crazy what love does to you...

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 12:59 pm
Subject: Fwd: [BuffyAngelFirefly] 'Veronica Mars' Ready to Sleuth Again

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> 'Veronica Mars' Ready to Sleuth Again
> (Sunday, May 01 12:02 AM)
>
> By John Crook
> LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - You might think Rob
> Thomas, creator and
> executive producer of UPN's "Veronica Mars," would
> be feeling a little
> morose these days.
>
> After all, his Tuesday series about a resourceful
> teenage sleuth
> (Kristen Bell, "Gracie's Choice") has attracted
> glowing reviews and a
> devout cult following. Yet it still languishes in
> the Nielsen ratings
> basement.
>
> Thomas says he isn't really surprised, though.
>
> "I went through a similar situation on 'Cupid,'" he
> says, referring to
> his short-lived 1998-99 Jeremy Piven dramedy on ABC.
> "I've never done a
> commercially successful show. I'll have 'Critical
> Darling, Commercial
> Flop' on my tombstone."
>
> Thomas says he understands perfectly well why most
> new viewers come to
> "Veronica" at the urging of a friend who already
> knows firsthand how
> the show transcends its basic premise.
>
> "I'm not sure if I would start watching a show
> billed as 'teenage
> private eye,'" he says. "That one-sentence
> description could sound
> cheesy. This is pretty much a word-of-mouth show."
>
> And fans should have plenty to talk about as the
> first season draws to
> a close. The last two episodes, on May 3 and 10,
> will answer the two
> big questions of the season.
>
> "In the first one, Veronica finally gets to the
> bottom of what happened
> on the night she was drugged and raped. Then in the
> final episode we
> answer the question of who killed Lily Kane," Thomas reveals.

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:05 pm
Subject: Ringing Kristen Bell (Dallas' Fair Park appearance today)

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PEOPLE WATCH

Ringing Kristen Bell

If you're a fan of UPN's teen private-eye series
Veronica Mars, you'll want to bounce yourself over to
the Hoop It Up 3-on-3 basketball tournament today in
Dallas' Fair Park. Veronica herself, aka Kristen Bell,
will be on hand from 3 to 5 p.m. to sign autographs,
as will fellow cast members Enrico Colantoni, Francis
Capra, Jason Dohring and Percy Daggs III. Veronica
Mars is shown at 8 p.m. Tuesdays on KTXA/Channel 21.



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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:06 pm
Subject: Fwd: GHB (slightly spoilerish for 4/26 episode)

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Someone was asking about GHB, can't remember which list so forwarding this on .... ~Susan

BethAnn @ buffyangelfirefly@yahoogroups.com wrote:

It looks to me that GHB is a party drug that can *also* be used as a
date rape drug. Gives potential for some wiggle room to Logan.

http://www.projectghb.org/what_is_ghb.htm

*GHB: *Gamma hydroxy butyrate or Gamma hydroxybutyric acid, Sodium Oxybate

*Made From:* *gamma butyrolactone* (GBL)
and *Sodium Hydroxide* or *Potassium Hydroxide *- basically it is
/*degreasing solvent*/ or /*floor stripper*/ mixed with /*drain
cleaner*/. When GBL or BD or products containing them are ingested, GHB
is produced in the body, that is why we refer extensively to GBL and BD
products on these pages.

*Other Chemical Names used for gamma butyrolactone (GBL
): *gamma-6480 * agrisynth blo * gamma-bl * blo * blon *
4-butanolide * 1, 2-butanolide * 1,4-butanolide * butyric acid,
4-hydroxy-, gamma- lactone * butyric acid lactone * butyrolactone *
alpha-butyrolactone * gamma-butyrolactone * 4-butyrolactone *
butyrylactone * butyryl lactone * 4-deoxytetronic acid *
dihydro-2(3h)-furanone * 4- hydroxybutanoic acid lactone *
4-hydroxybutanoic acid, gamma-lactone * gamma-hydroxybutyric acid cyclic
ester * 4-hydroxybutyric acid lactone * 4-hydroxybutyric acid,
gamma-lactone * gamma-hydroxybutyric acid lactone *
gamma-hydroxybutyrolactone * nci-c55878 * 2-oxolanone *
tetrahydro-2-furanone *

*Street Names for GHB:* GHB, "G" (most common), Gamma-OH, Liquid E,
Fantasy, *G*eorgia *H*ome *B*oy, *G*rievous *B*odily *H*arm, Liquid X,
Liquid Ecstasy (is _*not*_ ecstasy), Scoop, Water, Everclear, *G*reat
*H*ormones at *B*edtime, GBH, Soap, Easy Lay, Salty Water, G-Riffick,
Cherry Meth, and Organic Quaalude, Jib.

*GHB Precursors* (analogs): /*(They turn into GHB in your
body)*/ GBL , BD, Blue Nitro, Revivarant, Renewtrient,
GAMMA-BUTYROLACTONE, Revitalize Plus, Serenity, Enliven, GHRE,
SomatoPro, NRG3, Thunder Nectar and Weight Belt Cleaner, Invigorate,
Firewater, Verv, and more

*Description:* A clear liquid. Looks just like water. Can be mistaken
for water because it is usually found in a small (30ml) clear plastic
bottle, a water bottle, or even Gatorade bottles, which contains several
doses. One quick taste, and you'll know it's not water. Not as common,
but also found as a white powder. Infact powder use is on the rise!

*Effects:* Intoxication, increased energy, happiness, talking, desire to
socialize, feeling affectionate and playful, mild disinhibition,
sensuality, enhanced sexual experience, muscle relaxation, loss of
coordination due to loss of muscle tone, possible nausea, difficulty
concentrating, loss of gag reflex.

*Many people have bad reactions*. These can include* *nausea, headaches,
drowsiness, dizziness, amnesia, vomiting, loss of muscle control,
respiratory problems, loss of consciousness, being conscious but unable
to move, and death- */Especially when combined with alcohol or other
drugs./*

*Effects of large doses:* Disinhibition, sedation, desire to sleep,
rambling incoherent speech, giddiness, silliness, difficulty thinking,
slurred speech, passing out, and death. Here's one scenario: While You
Were Sleeping - Online Presentation of GHB Dangers
<../while_sleeping/sld001.htm>
****WARNING - if your friend passes out, always seek medical attention
immediately, no matter what anyone else tells you.*

*Effects of overdose:* Sleep or deep sedation from which you cannot be
awakened by any means for about three hours, and in many cases, death.
*Passing out while on GHB is sometimes called carpeting out, scooping
out, or throwing down.*

*Center for Disease Control
: *"GBL is an
industrial and household solvent of acrylate polymers, and unintentional
poisonings have been reported ... It also is marketed as a dietary
supplement at health food stores and on the World-Wide Web under several
trade names. Although labeled as dietary supplements, /GBL-containing
products are illegally marketed, unapproved new drugs/ that have been
involved in .... reports of adverse events..."
*EMEDICINE* : "GHB is readily
manufactured from its precursor, gamma-butyrolactone (also known as
2(3h)-furanone dihydro or GBL). GBL is a solvent found in floor cleaning
products, nail polish and super glue removers. Saponification of the
lactone with sodium hydroxide in the form of lye results in nearly
quantitative conversion. This method is not without its drawbacks
however; there are several case reports of caustic alkali ingestion from
undissolved lye. GBL also undergoes conversion into GBH in vivo (by an
unknown mechanism) and, accordingly, is associated with many of the same
symptoms." *click their link for more.*

*The University of Florida lists these effects*:

Coma Somnolence Confusion Unconsciousness
Seizures Dizziness Agitation Respiratory Arrest
Insomnia Nausea Hallucinations
Anxiety Vomiting Bradycardia (slow heart rate)
Tremor Weakness Decreased respiratory effort (decreased number of
breaths per minute)

Your body manufactures GHB for its normal metabolism. The only reason
people take GHB at a party is to get high, not for their health. People
are kidding themselves if they imagine they're taking a vitamin
supplement or amino acid, even though GHB has been marketed as such.
/*Just because trace, minute amounts of GHB are found in a human body
doesn't make the lab-created form of it safe to consume!*/

It has even been dubbed "liquid ecstasy." Its highly concentrated street
form is available as a liquid in small plastic bottles, about the size
and shape of a hotel shampoo bottle. One dosage is usually a capful.
There are approximately 9 hits per bottle, but this, too varies
depending on the concentration of the mix. It's very cheap as well. (as
taken from Vaults of Erowid, an Internet site mostly claiming benefits
of GHB. They do, however, mention some negative effects, but these are
downplayed and then blamed on the "establishment," which according to
their view has forced GHB underground and is to blame for these overdoses!)

This is GHB in a nutshell. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE THINGS PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING
, THAT GHB IS GOOD FOR YOU, AND THAT IT IS NOT
ADDICTIVE????? And what about narcolepsy ????? What
about the law ?

There are many cases of overdose involving GHB or its analogs. We will
post these or provide links for them on our links page.
For now, read the comments we've received. Also, read the
links for current news and medical information

*One Internet Recipe Website says:* "Safety: /*Wear gloves and safety
glasses*/ at all times. If any of the reagents or intermediates contacts
the skin, wash well with cold water." AND: "The author is not
responsible for /*any consequences arising from the synthesis and use of
GHB*/" AND "To store it I use a mason glass jar with a plastic cover.
/*I draw the poison logo on it*/ " - [bold and italics added for
emphasis]. Now, *why* would you want to drink this?

Interesting comment:

City, State: La
Date: July 14, 2002

Comments:

I was at the hospital the other night because my friend od'd on
G there are street words for this also when ever the person
passes out and drools on themselves and has poor muscle control
it is said that person is in the "G hold." After the person
goes into a comma type thing and begins to throw up and have
poor breathing then they are in the G hole most of the time you
say this when they are near death.

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:33 pm
Subject: May promises to bring some sweeping changes

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April 26, 2005, 9:25PM

May promises to bring some sweeping changes

Hits wrap up, specials heat up, favorites hang it up

By MIKE MCDANIEL
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

Everybody says goodbye to Raymond, the Muppets pay a visit to the wizard of Oz, Britney Spears gets her own reality series, and Quentin Tarantino directs an episode of CSI.

American Idol and Survivor will crown new winners, as will America's Next Top Model, The Apprentice, The Contender and The Amazing Race. The Bachelor may or may not meet his match. And Rob and Amber's marriage vows will be sealed by a CBS kiss.

Elvis lives in the talented hands of young-Presley lookalike Jonathan Rhys Meyers (Bend It Like Beckham), Fox brings back Family Guy, Hercules flexes his muscles, and Dr. Phil makes two prime-time house calls.

Summer is more than a month away, but May looks like a scorcher for TV.

Need more evidence? Between April 28 and May 23, we'll face the finales of JAG, Third Watch and Enterprise; a movie that purports to take on Donald Trump; the 40th annual Academy of Country Music Awards; the 32nd annual Daytime Emmy Awards; and The West Wing's Janel Maloney portraying Amber Frey in a movie about the Scott Peterson case.

Oh, and did we mention the season finales that wrap up yearlong story lines on Lost, 24, Veronica Mars, Alias, Smallville and Desperate Housewives?

All this fuss is less about the enjoyment it gives viewers (however grateful we might be) and more about ratings, which can be translated into advertising rates. May is a "sweeps" month, when local stations use Nielsen Media Research's audience measurement to set future prices for commercials.

May is also the networks' backloaded way to win bragging rights for the 2004-2005 season. This year, CBS is running away in the total households and total viewers categories but is in a dogfight with Fox for age 18-49 supremacy. ABC is in position to finish in third place for the season, and NBC is in danger of finishing fourth in the 18-49 category for the first time ever.

With so much at stake, it's no wonder that the May sweeps, which starts Thursday, is looking like gangbusters. The most vicious confrontation comes May 25, last day of the sweeps, when the finale of Fox's wildly popular American Idol will compete with the finale of ABC's Lost and CBS' Amber Frey movie.

Or it could be "Fallen Idol," a May 4 Primetime Live report that ABC says will explore "explosive claims" about behind-the-scenes activities at American Idol.

Here's a network-by-network rundown:

ABC: Four fresh episodes of Desperate Housewives and Lost begin Sunday and May 2, respectively. Housewives' season finale is May 22. Lost concludes May 25 with a two-hour finale.

The Bachelor finale airs May 16.

Lena Olin returns for the season's final two episodes of Alias May 18 and 25.

Ashanti is Dorothy, Queen Latifah is Auntie Em, and Jeffrey Tambor is the wizard in The Muppets' Wizard of Oz May 20. Playing to her strengths, Miss Piggy fills four roles: the Wicked Witch of the East, West, North and South. Kermit stretches as the Scarecrow, Gonzo is the Tin Thing and Fozzie Bear plays the Lion.

Justin Louis stars in Trump Unauthorized, based on Gwenda Blair's Donald Trump biographies, on May 24.

CBS: The finale of JAG airs Friday.

Rosie O'Donnell plays a mentally challenged woman and Andie MacDowell is her sister in Riding the Bus With My Sister. The movie, directed by Anjelica Huston, airs Sunday.

The last episode of Everybody Loves Raymond airs May 16, preceded by a one-hour retrospective.

Dr. Phil McGraw hosts two prime-time specials, May 4 and 20.

Elvis, a two-parter, airs May 8 and 11. Randy Quaid is the King's manager, Colonel Tom Parker; Camryn Manheim is his mother, Gladys Presley; and Antonia Bernath plays wife Priscilla Presley. Elvis by the Presleys, an entertainment special promising never-before-seen performances, airs May 13.

The finale of Survivor: Palau airs May 15.

Academy of Country Music awards are handed out May 17, and the Daytime Emmys are awarded May 20.

CSI concludes its season May 19 with a two-hour episode in which one of the CSI team is buried alive. Quentin Tarantino directs, and Tony Curtis and Frank Gorshin make cameos.

On the May 23 season finale of CSI: Miami, Dean Winters (Oz) appears as Horatio's brother Ray.

Rob and Amber Get Married, including video of the Survivor and Amazing Race couple's recent wedding, is set for May 24, two weeks after the May 10 finale of Amazing Race. (Go, Uchenna! Go, Joyce!)

Fox: Family Guy bows Sunday along with another animated series, American Dad. The Simpsons' 350th episode, featuring guest voice Ray Romano, also runs Sunday.

24 concludes with a two-hour finale May 23.

Brace yourself: Four more episodes of The Simple Life will air beginning Thursday.

In addition to the last episodes leading up to the May 25 finale of American Idol, a special, American Idol: International Best of the Worst, is set for May 19.

Tate Donovan returns for the May 19 season finale of The O.C.

NBC: Third Watch comes to an end May 6.

Noah Wylie exits ER May 19. Danny Glover guest-stars.

Sean Astin, Leelee Sobieski, Elizabeth Perkins and Timothy Dalton star in the three-hour movie Hercules. Paul Telfer plays the lead in this latest Robert Halmi Sr. production.

Dr. Richard Massey (Bill Pullman) tries to stop the birth of the anti-Christ in the finale of Revelations, May 18.

The penultimate episode of The Contender, May 22, will determine who will fight in the million-dollar live finale May 24.

UPN: Britney Spears and husband Kevin Federline share their lives in a series premiering May 17.

Another new series, The Bad Girls' Guide, starring Jenny McCarthy, premieres May 24.

Veronica Mars solves who killed Lilly Kane in the May 10 season finale.

Star Trek: Enterprise goes into mothballs with a two-hour finale May 13.

America's Next Top Model crowns a winner May 18.

WB: Blue Collar funnyman Ron White gets his own comedy special, airing Thursday.

Comedian Bill Engvall leads an extreme makeover of a mobile home on Mobile Home Disaster, also on Thursday.

The May 11 season finale of Jack & Bobby reveals why Bobby, not Jack, embarked on a road to the presidency.

Clark begins to understand the reason for his being on a 90-minute season finale of Smallville, airing May 18. An eight-minute preview of the movie Batman Begins will be part of the telecast.

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:03 pm
Subject: Inventing 'Veronica'

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Inventing 'Veronica'

Forget 'Desperate Housewives,' the season's best new show, 'Veronica Mars,' is about to solve the murder of Lily Kane

By Stephen Saito

Of the things that Rob Thomas has been up to lately - welcoming his first child into the world, launching a highly detailed and well deserved Web site/shrine to himself, www.slaverats.com, and overseeing one of television's best shows, UPN's detective series "Veronica Mars" - shaking his pelvis on VH1 is not one of them.

And though a similarly monikered Matchbox 20 frontman has been keeping up appearances in that arena lately, it's the UT grad Thomas who has been stealing the spotlight of late.

Armed with the crafty and cute-as-a-button Kristen Bell as Veronica, in addition to a pitch-perfect supporting cast, Thomas has pulled off a show with "Veronica Mars" that is an anomaly for any network, let alone UPN, with its unique blend of pop culture ephemera and surprising lack of preciousness.

It's no surprise then that Thomas's favorite description of the show is a film analogy from The Village Voice's Joy Press, who called "Veronica Mars" "a fusion of Chinatown and Heathers" and with its blonde heroine and flair for genre reinvention, a certain vampire slayer has also been ripe for comparison. In fact, following the debut of the show this past fall, Thomas has heard every positive adjective imaginable for the show.

But the one that has probably pleased him most has been "renewed," since his first show, the well-received, but short-lived Jeremy Piven-Paula Marshall romantic dramedy "Cupid," didn't see a second season.

And while it's a small but devoted fanbase that has watched the show's heroine Veronica go from a roofied and raped Valley girl to serving the thankless position of confident caretaker of the surreal, caste-like Neptune High (a school Thomas says he modeled loosely on Austin's own Westlake High School), the show's creator has undergone a metamorphosis of his own.

However, Thomas is no stranger to change.

After graduating from UT in 1987, Thomas killed time in central Texas as a journalism adviser for Reagan High and subsequently, UT's now-defunct news magazine UTmost. At the same time, he was a bassist for the band Hey Zeus and a burgeoning young adult author.

"Once I quit the band and quit teaching, and I had all this time on my hands, and suddenly, I had no creative outlet," said Thomas. "I had moved to L.A. at that point and in a town where everyone is writing a screenplay, I was one of the few people who was writing a novel."

That novel, "Rats Saw God," established Thomas as a sharper, more literate throwback to the high school-set drama of John Hughes and also served as the calling card he needed to break into television.

"My biggest break came in a way that you could try it a million times, and it would not work," said Thomas. "I sent a copy of my first novel to [Jeff Sagansky] the then-president of CBS and said, 'I'd like to write for one of your teen shows, what do you think?' "

From there, as gifted as Thomas is, he probably couldn't have written a better script for his career. Sagansky thought Thomas' book was great but didn't have any work for him until he left CBS to run Sony's television division, which afforded Thomas the opportunity to write a couple episodes for the first season of "Dawson's Creek" and, more importantly, gave wings to Thomas' offbeat "Cupid."

Sadly, "Cupid's" quick wit was matched by a relatively quick demise, due in no small part to its Saturday night time slot. Although it might've seemed like a blessing when David E. Kelley subsequently tapped Thomas to executive produce his detective show "Snoops," it was actually the first in a series of creative disappointments for Thomas that culminated with "The Sins," a show Thomas was set to run with the late Ted Demme ("Blow") until Demme passed away unexpectedly.

"It's the only time I've ever been not able to write, " recalled Thomas. "I would sit in front of my computer for three months and just kind of stare at it. It was one bad spell."

Thomas wound up writing nearly a dozen pilot scripts, two of which went in front of the camera, but it wasn't until he teamed with "The Matrix" producer Joel Silver, one of the unlikeliest of partners, on a noirish teen detective series that Thomas was able to get back on the air, on his own terms. As he says, slightly tongue in cheek, ""Veronica Mars" really was a way to combine my desire to do a high school show with my desire to get a show on the air. "

With the show's renewal, perhaps at least now Thomas' prediction of "critical darling, commercial failure" being etched at the epitaph on his tombstone will be replaced by the more appropriate one of "televisionary."

Still, the only tombstone Thomas is concerned with presently is that of Lily Kane, Veronica's best friend whose murder has become the show's central mystery. After years of much more mystifiying situations, like the case of the missing ratings for "Cupid" and the often shadowy world of network TV, Thomas seems content to crack one conundrum at a time.

"The funny thing about "Cupid" is it came so easily and quickly to me that I don't know that I appreciated how difficult it is to get a show on the air," said Thomas. "I don't know if I sort of savored it as much as I should've. This time [with "Veronica Mars"], having had four years of misery and heartbreak, I'm really digging this."

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: Did u watch the new episode today?

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I apologize, there has never been anything about said about using spoiler space on this group - and honestly with the subject header being about the episode I didn't think it was necessary.

Susan

Raye <dawnie_wood@...> wrote:

Thank you so much for the spoilers...I haven't seen the episode yet, in
fact I won't see it until either much later tonight, or after work on
Thursday (it is now 7am Wednesday morning)...could you put spoiler space
in, please? I make calculations on what is going to happen, but I try
and stay relatively spoiler free on certain things...

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From: Raye <dawnie_wood@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:20 am
Subject: Re: Did u watch the new episode today?

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Thank you so much for the spoilers...I haven't seen the episode yet, in
fact I won't see it until either much later tonight, or after work on
Thursday (it is now 7am Wednesday morning)...could you put spoiler space
in, please?  I make calculations on what is going to happen, but I try
and stay relatively spoiler free on certain things...



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From: "chboyd75" <chboyd75@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:44 am
Subject: Re: Did u watch the new episode today?

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I am not shocked either. Logan has done stupid stuff, but they will
deal.


--- In Logan_Veronica@yahoogroups.com, Susan Falk <apckrfan@y...>
wrote:
> I was honestly not that surprised that Logan was the originator of
the drugs at the party - as much as I hate to say it.  I've
suspected for a while that he was involved somehow with it.
>
> Two more episodes left!  I can't wait!  Logan's going to be in a
dark spot I think, but he'll persevere, I know it!
>
> Susan
>
> Judy <hotazangal87@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey wat did u guys think of the episode? It was great at first and
> then the whole Vernica not going to meet Logan was weird. After
she
> found out who got the drugs and supposidly druged her it was Logan
he
> was handing out GHB. I can believe he'd do something like that and
> next weeks episode will blow everyone away when she finds out who
> raped her.
>
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> "Heroes don't do that. Heroes don't accept the world the way it
is, they fight it."-Lindsey from Angel 5x17 Underneath
> "None of us can choose where we will love." Susan Kay's Phantom

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:27 am
Subject: Re: Did u watch the new episode today?

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I was honestly not that surprised that Logan was the originator of the drugs at the party - as much as I hate to say it. I've suspected for a while that he was involved somehow with it.

Two more episodes left! I can't wait! Logan's going to be in a dark spot I think, but he'll persevere, I know it!

Susan

Judy <hotazangal87@...> wrote:

Hey wat did u guys think of the episode? It was great at first and
then the whole Vernica not going to meet Logan was weird. After she
found out who got the drugs and supposidly druged her it was Logan he
was handing out GHB. I can believe he'd do something like that and
next weeks episode will blow everyone away when she finds out who
raped her.

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From: "Judy" <hotazangal87@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:46 am
Subject: Did u watch the new episode today?

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Hey wat did u guys think of the episode? It was great at first and
then the whole Vernica not going to meet Logan was weird. After she
found out who got the drugs and supposidly druged her it was Logan he
was handing out GHB. I can believe he'd do something like that and
next weeks episode will blow everyone away when she finds out who
raped her.

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From: "chboyd75" <chboyd75@...>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: season 2 spoiler!

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This is an interesting speculation. I could see this happening, but we
will see. This would be a good way for Logan, to look at his actions
and the consequences of them.



--- In Logan_Veronica@yahoogroups.com, "alien_spoonie"
<XBlackNemesisX@a...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> <<Veronica's rapist turns up dead, and Logan is the prime suspect
> because of his violent and overprotective behavior. V spends at least
> a
> couple episodes trying to figure out who killed the other dude and
> getting Logan out of jail.>>
>
> This is just speculation but if Logans kills someone im gunna cry!
>
>
> SpOonie

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#16

From: "chboyd75" <chboyd75@...>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:07 pm
Subject: Re: Spoiler question

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Interesting. We are told that the murderer will be a shock. Do you
ever get the feeling the murder isn't a suspect. I say that because
everyone with the folder is someone that Veronica has checked out or
suspected previously. The following people have a folder:

Logan
Duncan
Weevil
Celeste Kane
Jake Kane

I don't think I am missing anyone. These are the people the audience
suspected at one time or another. Logan was my first suspect based
on the pilot. Duncan was next, and he is still not off my list.
Weevil had light shone on him this past episode. Celeste/Jake had it
at previous times. We may revisit Logan, just to make us sweat. But
you know what, we haven't answered other questions:

Lynn's disappearance, and the fact that she had enough time to
correct her will. Was it really suicide? No body was found. She
could have disappeared just like Lianne.

Aaron Echolls-This is a nutcase will violent abusive behavior.

Lianne Mars-Wouldn't be a bittersweet victory knowing that V found
the killer, but it was her mother. V would be right back to square
one. It's a stretch but, you are absolutely correct. The Kanes have
something on Lianne.

Clarence Weidman-He has dirt on everyone because of the position he
has. He kept tabs on Lianne, he helped cover up Lily's murder, and
he knows all about the pay off to Abel. He knows enough to tell
everyone's dirty secrets to the police. Long shot, but he could have
murdered Lily for someone else.

I am just trying to figure out if the really shocker is someone that
is not a current suspect.

--- In Logan_Veronica@yahoogroups.com, Raye <dawnie_wood@y...> wrote:
> My theory on the betrayal.
>
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> P
> O
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> L
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> T
> H
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> Y
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> I think that the person Veronica has to betray is her mother.  It
is
> someone she cares about deeply, but she is going to have to betray
her -
> I can't help thinking this is well-deserved, her mother is a bit
of a
> selfish cow - okay, she says that she was protecting her daughter
by
> staying away...but curious as to what Jake/Celeste had to hold
over her!

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From: "chboyd75" <chboyd75@...>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: Spoiler question

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Great to see more fans here. I actually think it is Logan. Veronica
is relentless in her pursuit of the killer, and I think she may
throw some suspicion Logan's way. She may even start to suspect him,
herself. This will allow the real killer to rest easy if she used
Logan as bait. I would not be shocked if half the finale is devoted,
to making the viewer feel that Logan did kill Lily just to reveal
towards the end that it is not him.

Another spoiler indicates that Veronica's life will be in danger.

Betraying Logan will put a wrench in Love for Season 2. We also have
the spoiler that her love life is left cliff-hanging. I also think
this deals with Logan/Veronica. It may deal with Duncan, but for
some reason I think it will deal with Logan/Veronica. He will be
hurt, and may think Veronica used him. Especially if one of my
suspects turn out to be the killer. Logan and Veronica both have
trust issues, and this will definitely be a hurdle to face.

--- In Logan_Veronica@yahoogroups.com, "alien_spoonie"
<XBlackNemesisX@a...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Leave It To Beaver" -- In the shocking, action-packed season
finale,
> a determined Veronica must betray someone she cares deeply about
in
> order to solve the season-long mystery of who murdered her best
> friend Lilly Kane, but what she discovers puts her life in serious
> danger, on VERONICA MARS, Tuesday, May 10 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT)
on
> UPN. Michael Fields directed the episode from a script by Rob
Thomas
> & Diane Ruggiero. Harry Hamlin guest stars as Logan's movie star
> father Aaron Echolls. Meanwhile, on the eve of a reception for the
> Governor of Calif., Jake Kane (guest star Kyle Secor) asks Duncan
if
> he really wants to know what happened on the night Lilly died.
Later,
> Keith awaits the results of a paternity test.
>
>
> It says that she has to betray someone she cares about DEEPLY. Who
do
> you think that is? It cant be Logan ( i dont think) b/c they
really
> arnt to that level yet. Im thinking maybe its her dad?

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From: "alien_spoonie" <XBlackNemesisX@...>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:22 pm
Subject: season 2 spoiler!

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<<Veronica's rapist turns up dead, and Logan is the prime suspect
because of his violent and overprotective behavior. V spends at least
a
couple episodes trying to figure out who killed the other dude and
getting Logan out of jail.>>

This is just speculation but if Logans kills someone im gunna cry!


SpOonie

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From: Raye <dawnie_wood@...>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: Spoiler question

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My theory on the betrayal.






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I think that the person Veronica has to betray is her mother.  It is
someone she cares about deeply, but she is going to have to betray her -
I can't help thinking this is well-deserved, her mother is a bit of a
selfish cow - okay, she says that she was protecting her daughter by
staying away...but curious as to what Jake/Celeste had to hold over her!

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From: "alien_spoonie" <XBlackNemesisX@...>
Date: Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:51 pm
Subject: Spoiler question

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"Leave It To Beaver" -- In the shocking, action-packed season finale,
a determined Veronica must betray someone she cares deeply about in
order to solve the season-long mystery of who murdered her best
friend Lilly Kane, but what she discovers puts her life in serious
danger, on VERONICA MARS, Tuesday, May 10 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on
UPN. Michael Fields directed the episode from a script by Rob Thomas
& Diane Ruggiero. Harry Hamlin guest stars as Logan's movie star
father Aaron Echolls. Meanwhile, on the eve of a reception for the
Governor of Calif., Jake Kane (guest star Kyle Secor) asks Duncan if
he really wants to know what happened on the night Lilly died. Later,
Keith awaits the results of a paternity test.


It says that she has to betray someone she cares about DEEPLY. Who do
you think that is? It cant be Logan ( i dont think) b/c they really
arnt to that level yet. Im thinking maybe its her dad?

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From: "wyk_hi" <wyk_hi@...>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:33 am
Subject: Interview with Teddy Dunn

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After last week's scary-Duncan-threatens-Veronica-then-splits cliffhanger, I
know you
guys can't wait to see  what happens next. In preparation for "The Return of the
Killer
Donut," marsinvestigations.net would like to present our interview with Teddy
Dunn. Dunn
Dunn DUNNNNNNN!

http://www.marsinvestigations.net/behindthescenes/teddy1.php

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From: "chboyd75" <chboyd75@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: wow...

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That kiss rocked! I loved it!


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> This group is sooooooooo dead. Anyway, everyone catch that kiss
2nite?
> excellent!
>
> ~Pirate

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: wow...

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I thought the whole show was excellent and actually his reaction to her kissing him was priceless. Her reaction to the kiss was great, too. And I was glad they showed us that Deputy Leo kiss at the beginning, because she wasn't like that after Leo's kiss. Nice way to show that while Leo is a nice guy the chemistry just isn't there.

So, who does everyone think killed Lilly? Who does everyone think raped Veronica?

Susan

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This group is sooooooooo dead. Anyway, everyone catch that kiss 2nite? excellent!

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From: "Skyler" <gyllenhaal_fan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:40 am
Subject: Re: wow...

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Yeah I know it's dead. We chat on a message board so.. and I know. It
was so amazing. So much chemestry.. maybe Rob Thomas is finally getting
the point ;)

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This group is sooooooooo dead. Anyway, everyone catch that kiss 2nite? excellent!

~Pirate

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From: "wyk_hi" <wyk_hi@...>
Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:25 am
Subject: A Beginner's Guide to Veronica Mars

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You know "Veronica Mars" is the best thing on TV, right? Do your
friends know? Does your family? Are you struggling to find a way to
describe the show that doesn't sound a) cheesy, b) too teenagery or c)
just like Buffy or Nancy Drew? Have you managed to persuade them to
watch only to have them go "Huh?" because they've missed the last
[insert number] episodes and the show's intricately woven mysteries
and multi-layered characters are too perplexing?

Well we were in the same boat and did something about it. Welcome to
Mars Investigations.net (http://www.marsinvestigations.net), a
beginner's guide to "Veronica Mars". We have as much or as little as
the newbie needs to catch up. Want a detailed episode description? You
got it. Need to get a character sketch? It's there. Want to know who
killed Lilly Kane? So do we all, but how about a summary of the
investigation to date or a list of all the clues, episode by episode?
Come and spend five minutes or five hours and you'll be as sharp as
Veronica with what's going on.

Between us, we will show the clueless what they're missing. They will
thank us. There will be chocolate.

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:34 pm
Subject: Fwd: Veronica...Address and Email

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Most of you probably know that Veronica Mars is well liked by the UPN executives but it is not doing that stellar ratings wise. I'm passing along the following information for anyone who might like to drop UPN an email or a snail mail letter showing your support for this show. If you don't wish to, that's fine, but the show could use the support I think. Unlike other shows that have been cancelled that don't seem to have the support of the network, this one does. So let's give it a try. ~Susan

Email address:

Dawn_Ostroff@...

Snail Mail address:

Dawn Tarnofsky-Ostroff, President, UPN Entertainment
United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90025

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From: Susan Falk <apckrfan@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:56 pm
Subject: Fic

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I'm not sure what the policy is on posting fics to this site, sooo I'll just post a link to the story. I just wrote it last night. I was on the fence as far as Veronica & Logan until this past week's episode.

http://www.phantomroses.com/apckrfan/fanfic/VMfic/damagedbruised.html

Also, to any of you fan fiction writers, fanfiction.net finally has given VM its own category.

Susan

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From: "Shauna" <shaunashreenan@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:49 am
Subject: logan veronica

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I think that logan and veronica are getting closer and closer. I
have a feeling that very soon they will be a couple.

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From: "chboyd75" <chboyd75@...>
Date: Wed Feb 9, 2005 9:47 pm
Subject: I thought I was the only one who loved these two!

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Logan/Veronica have awesome chemistry! I picked up on that from the
pilot. Thanks!

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From: "Jerilee" <j3ril33@...>
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 3:08 am
Subject: Calling all fan art creators!!

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If there's anyone out there who ships this couple and has been bitten
by the creative bug, please feel free to submit them to the site. We
welcome any Logan/Veronica art.  Email to love@...

Thanks,
Jerilee

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