Lola wrote:

> You're welcome ;).

LOL!

> Can't wait till this weeks episode, Act of Contrition, looks like
> it should have some great insights into Kara and hopefully a few
> scenes of Kara and Lee before Zak died.

Yeah, 'tis a good ep all around for Kara.

> Looking forward to Kara/Lee fic.

Hee! We'll see how it goes. ;)

Sio

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Hi Sio,

>Hi all, my name's Sio and I was sent to this group by Lola. <g>

You're welcome ;).

>I really got into Lee/Kara when the series started, and now that I've
>seen all the eps, I want more! I look forward to discussing them, as
>well as the show, with you guys, and any fic that may come down the
>pipes. The Muse may get me writing at some point, but hopefully not
>until I finish the fic I'm writing for another fandom! ;)

Can't wait till this weeks episode, Act of Contrition, looks like
it should have some great insights into Kara and hopefully a few
scenes of Kara and Lee before Zak died.

Looking forward to Kara/Lee fic.

Cheers,
Lola

--- In KaraLee@yahoogroups.com, nefertari@k... wrote:
> Hi Lea,
>
> and thank you from my part too for creating this group.
>
> Must say, can't wait to see last one.
>
> If you want to talk about last ep or the ones before that just use a
> spoiler-warning.
>
> SPOILER TO FOLLOW
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> Didn't you just love the beginning right to the point where Kara
> actually opened her eyes? The girl has some imagination....

A *very* nice imagination. Hehe. <wg> I do love the look on her face
though once she opens her eyes. It's totally "what the frak?" ;) Need
to go back and check (oh the torture ;), but I don't think she touched
Gaius' hair during that whole time, as if doing that would ruin the
fantasy of who she really wanted.

Hi all, my name's Sio and I was sent to this group by Lola. <g> I
really got into Lee/Kara when the series started, and now that I've
seen all the eps, I want more! I look forward to discussing them, as
well as the show, with you guys, and any fic that may come down the
pipes. The Muse may get me writing at some point, but hopefully not
until I finish the fic I'm writing for another fandom! ;)

Laters,

Sio

--- In KaraLee@yahoogroups.com, nefertari@k... wrote:
<snip>
> This is really growing into a very interesting series. Yes, yes,
> more episodes, preferably sooner than later, thank you.

Yes it is.  I'm hoping that there will be more eps soon and I haven't
even seen them all yet :).  I guess we'll find out on Feb 1st.

> Next Friday, Act of Contrition, yes?

Yes, Friday is Act of Contrition.  It looks really good from the
preveiw.  Can't wait to see some of Kara and Lee's past.

cheers,
Lola

> My understanding is that based on the strength of the ratings from
> the UK, Ron Moore was asked to write 6 more scripts.  I don't think
> that these have been filmed yet though.  I'm thinking they were for
> season 2 though.  I'll have to look around and see if I can find
> where I read that.  At least Feb 1 isn't that far off and there
> should be good news given the ratings so far.

Here's what had read -

Ron Moore "On the future of the show: The [Sci Fi] Channel ordered
six more scripts. … It's an expensive show. They have to do a lot of
bean counting to figure out what makes the show [worthwhile]. I'm
hoping we get a second year. So far there's been a really good
response in the UK, SkyOne there is very happy with the ratings and
the critical response has been good."

It was in an interview in the Chicago Tribune, I think it was the Jan
19th edition.  Here's the link, but you need to subscribe.  I can
post the whole article if you guys are interested.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-
tribtv,1,3096468.story?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl&ctrack=1&cset=true


Cheers,
Lola

Hi Lea and others who have seen all 13 episodes!

If you want to discuss those episodes without posting any messages
containing spoilers to this board just write to me directly or use a
fair warning about spoilers in the topic. I'd be glad to discuss the eps
with you guys.

Jo

Hi!

<<So from your comments, I'm assuming that what you didn't like was
that it leaves the watcher hanging, rather than the story not being
good, even if the story didn't have everything you were hoping for?
Is that correct?>>

Maybe that's it. Yes, the story had great potential, it just left too
many things hanging for my liking. I like a good cliffhanger but I also
want there to be a woo-hoo -moment and I didn't find one, at least not
the first time. Maybe watching the ep second time will make me find that
moment and it won't feel as.... unfinished. Or maybe I just had one of
those days when you feel like nothing really touches you.

I've read some comments and in general people are thinking the ep was
great. This is really growing into a very interesting series. Yes, yes,
more episodes, preferably sooner than later, thank you.

Next Friday, Act of Contrition, yes?

Jo

Hi Jo,

> Okay, without giving away any spoilers, Lola:

Thanks for the no spoilers, I appreceiate that :).

> I was a bit disappointed with the last episode, it lacked some
> things I thought and hoped would be there but it definitely left us
> waiting for the next season. Yes, there was a cliffhanger, like
> there always is. I liked the ep 12 more but I think for the sake of
> making sure the series gets a go for the second season the last ep
> had to be about leaving the watchers hanging and wanting for more.

So from your comments, I'm assuming that what you didn't like was
that it leaves the watcher hanging, rather than the story not being
good, even if the story didn't have everything you were hoping for?
Is that correct?

> So now I hope we don't have to wait for too long to see what
> happens next. I have heard some rumours about a 'season 1.5' with 6
> new episodes that are already done and will be shown quite shortly
> after ep 13 but I don't know where those rumours have come from and
> if they are really to be trusted.

My understanding is that based on the strength of the ratings from
the UK, Ron Moore was asked to write 6 more scripts.  I don't think
that these have been filmed yet though.  I'm thinking they were for
season 2 though.  I'll have to look around and see if I can find
where I read that.  At least Feb 1 isn't that far off and there
should be good news given the ratings so far.

Cheers,
Lola

Okay, without giving away any spoilers, Lola:

I was a bit disappointed with the last episode, it lacked some things I
thought and hoped would be there but it definitely left us waiting for
the next season. Yes, there was a cliffhanger, like there always is. I
liked the ep 12 more but I think for the sake of making sure the series
gets a go for the second season the last ep had to be about leaving the
watchers hanging and wanting for more.

So now I hope we don't have to wait for too long to see what happens
next. I have heard some rumours about a 'season 1.5' with 6 new episodes
that are already done and will be shown quite shortly after ep 13 but I
don't know where those rumours have come from and if they are really to
be trusted.

Jo

>Thank's Lola, nice wallpaper!

Thanks.  I'm a beginner with Photoshop, but it's fun to play with.  Beside
can't go too wrong with the subject matter ;).

>I have a couple of fics I'm working on but those are my very first fics
>ever and I'm feeling a bit shy about them so it might take a little time
>for me to gather up enough courage to have them on public display...

I'll look forward to them.  You can always have someone beta them before
you put them out for public consumption.  That way you can get some feedback
and helpful suggestion prior to everyone reading them.

>Besides, I've noticed that I have a compulsive need to correct some
>little detail almost every day in them... I'll think about the one
>that's almost done.

LOL, I don't think anyone is ever 100% happy with their work.  We do
tend to be our own worse critics.  I hope we see one of them soon.

>Yes, can't wait the last eppy! Also excited what the verdict will be on
>Feb 1 about the future of the series.

So without giving any spoilers away, did you enjoy it?

I think that BSG will get the green light.  I've read a few articles
on its ratings -

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/01/solidratingsforistargateip.shtml

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/gofuton.cgi?action=pr&id=20050124scifi01

and they bode well for the show.  So unless the next ep tanks completely,
which I doubt, I think we can expect another season.  I just hope that S2
is in the 20 episode range, rather than only 13 episodes.

Cheers,
Lola

Hello,

>Yes, I agree, it showed a lot about Lee's character. I think he will one
>day make a great leader, even greater than his father. He has the
>brains, guts, strength and skill and he's compassioned enough. And he
>has integrity. I like that he can make his own choices and decisions
>without needing anyone telling him how to think or what to do. He's not
>scared to stand up to his father or the president if he thinks the other
>is right and the other wrong. But before being a great leader he still
>needs more experience and he needs to learn how to live a little.

Definitely a great episode for exploring Lee's character.  I agree that
he'll be a great leader.  This showed that he can think on his feet and
that he won't just blindly follow what's expected.  also it showed his
dedication to oath.

>I didn't much like the commander in this episode. He needs to get his
>head out from his ass and start thinking bigger pictures than just the
>military. I think Lee made a good point saying he didn't think he needed
>to pick a side. Lee was trying to be diplomatic and solve a problem and
>I think his father wasn't exactly helping much. Even the president saw
>Lee's point clearer than the commander did and it was her job that was
>on the line there. The commander should try to learn to trust his son.

The Commander may be the military leader, but he needs to realize that
every problem doesn't have a military solution.  Killing Zarek would
have made him a martyr and proved Zarek's point.  Besides, it's not like
Lee gave into Zarek's demands.  According to the law the elections
were going to happen in 7 months.  If they didn't then they were no
longer following the laws of the civilization that they are trying to
save.

>Oh yes, Starbuck had some good attitude. I don't know what was Tigh's
>problem, Starbuck should know how handle a situation like that, after
>all she was an instructor in flight school. In this episode we saw not
>only Apollo in many roles but also Starbuck as an instructor, a
>strategist and a soldier. And I think it was a nice touch to bring Boxey
>in with the scene and show Starbuck as a kind of a role model too.

Yeah, Starbuck ROCKED!  But I'm sure what kind of role model she is ;).
I'm looking forward to the next ep, since it deals with Kara's past.

>And about Tigh... He might be a great XO but I think he's just a sad man
>who tries to take his own misery out on everyone he can. Hopefully his
>character will do some growing along with the commanders.

Tigh is a pain in the butt.  While I can understand that he wanted to get
back at Starbuck because she threw his peace offering back in his face in
the mini-series, he needs to grow up.  He's the senior officer and he needs
to act like one instead of acting like a 5 year old and holding a grudge.

Cheers,
Lola

Thank's Lola, nice wallpaper!

I have a couple of fics I'm working on but those are my very first fics
ever and I'm feeling a bit shy about them so it might take a little time
for me to gather up enough courage to have them on public display...
Besides, I've noticed that I have a compulsive need to correct some
little detail almost every day in them... I'll think about the one
that's almost done.

Yes, can't wait the last eppy! Also excited what the verdict will be on
Feb 1 about the future of the series.

Jo

Hey cool wallpaper

Watching the last eppy tonight.  Can't wait for it.

Ok does anyone write fiction I would love to read some Lee and kara fiction.
I might even attempt it myself.

Lea

-----Original Message-----
From: pandora_576 [mailto:pandora@...]
Sent: 24 January 2005 16:09
To: KaraLee@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [KaraLee] Wallpaper




Hi Guys,

I had some free time yesterday, so I made a Kara and Lee wall paper.
I've uploaded it into the shared files
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/KaraLee/files/Wallpaper/ if you'd
like to see it.

Cheers,
Lola







Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi Guys,

I had some free time yesterday, so I made a Kara and Lee wall paper.
I've uploaded it into the shared files
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/KaraLee/files/Wallpaper/ if you'd
like to see it.

Cheers,
Lola

Yes, I agree, it showed a lot about Lee's character. I think he will one
day make a great leader, even greater than his father. He has the
brains, guts, strength and skill and he's compassioned enough. And he
has integrity. I like that he can make his own choices and decisions
without needing anyone telling him how to think or what to do. He's not
scared to stand up to his father or the president if he thinks the other
is right and the other wrong. But before being a great leader he still
needs more experience and he needs to learn how to live a little.

I didn't much like the commander in this episode. He needs to get his
head out from his ass and start thinking bigger pictures than just the
military. I think Lee made a good point saying he didn't think he needed
to pick a side. Lee was trying to be diplomatic and solve a problem and
I think his father wasn't exactly helping much. Even the president saw
Lee's point clearer than the commander did and it was her job that was
on the line there. The commander should try to learn to trust his son.

Oh yes, Starbuck had some good attitude. I don't know what was Tigh's
problem, Starbuck should know how handle a situation like that, after
all she was an instructor in flight school. In this episode we saw not
only Apollo in many roles but also Starbuck as an instructor, a
strategist and a soldier. And I think it was a nice touch to bring Boxey
in with the scene and show Starbuck as a kind of a role model too.

And about Tigh... He might be a great XO but I think he's just a sad man
who tries to take his own misery out on everyone he can. Hopefully his
character will do some growing along with the commanders.

By for now!

Jo

Hello,

Just a few thoughts on Bastille Day

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Well, not much Kara/Lee interaction, but -

I loved they way Kara handled the pilot briefing, it was fun.  And she did
have point when she told Tigh "Screaming at people doesn't always get the
best results."

And Lee, WOW, what an ep to give some insight into him.  I would have
thought him a bit more by the book than he actually is.  And it's good to
see him hold his own in a fight, also when he took the gun and shot Mason to
protect Cally was great.  Nice to see more of his military training, besides
flying.  Also Apollo's not bad at psychology and he defused the situation
quite well.  I loved it when Lee told his Dad and the President the solution
and that they were going to have elections.  And "your son/your advisor" bit
made Adama and Roslin sound like parents when they're annoyed with their
kid's actions.  Basically Apollo kicked ass and took names this ep.

Cheers,
Lola

Hi Guys,

You might have already seen this, but I thought I'd share since it
mentions Starbuck/Apollo

http://scifi.about.com/cs/bgsonscifi/a/aa111203.htm

Starbuck/Apollo part -

Me: Speaking of such things. In the original series, there were
buckets of love and affection between Apollo and Starbuck, enough
that even now we've got fanficers exploring that more sexual side. I
love Ron Moore's work, particularly because he's the best writer for
Picard and Q, one of my all-time favorite duos. Moore said that he
envisions Q as being in love with Picard, and certainly the way he
writes them together creates a lot of sparks. Do you think perhaps
Moore saw some of that in Apollo and Starbuck and sort of resolved it
by making Starbuck a woman?

KS: (laughs) My best friend and I sat down and decided that's what we
think.

Me: A female Starbuck might make it easier to deal with?

KS: Not easier, but maybe more widely accepted. Actually, the ongoing
joke on the set was that Starbuck and Boomer are lovers. Now, I love
Grace to death, but I don't know if I want to make out with her on a
daily basis.

Me: How about Number Six (Trivia Helfer)?

KS: She may be the one to turn me. She's really cute.

Me: But if this goes to series, would you like to see Apollo and
Starbuck explore a more romantic relationship?

KS: Yes.

Me: Do you see them following the path of the Mulder/Scully eternal
foreplay routine?

KS: I hope that's what happens for a while, rather than just jumping
into things. If they explore that relationship right off the bat,
there will be too much awkwardness. If it does happen, I'd like to
see it in the third season or so.

It's good news that KS is open to there being something more than
friendship between the characters :).

Cheers,
Lola

Ok I am not sure if this was seen outside the uk.  But who watched the
x-factor and yes there is a reason for this lol.   For those who watched it
might know what I mean.

Lea

Hello,

>>Well, they need some reason to keep them apart at the beginning, so
>>that they can build up the relationship.  Least I hope they build the
>>relationship, there is nothing more irritating than when they start
>>writing a promising relationship and then have the characters do
>>stupid and out of character things just to keep the characters apart
>>for fear that people won't watch once they're together.
>I so totally agree with you!

Yeah, it's so damaging to the character when they do things like that.

>I have been reading some boards talking about this relationship-thing
>and almost all of them agree on that there needs to be some kind of
>triangle or long-term misunderstanding of things or something to keep a
>relationship interesting but I totally disagree with that.

I so agree with you there.  When they use those kinds of plot devices
I tend to loose respect for the character and if they have them do too
many stupid things I end up not caring about the character anymore or
even disliking the character.  And once I no longer care about the
characters there's no reason to tune in, no matter how well written the
plots are, because without the characters to hold my interest it doesn't
really matter what happens because I'm no longer invested in the out
come.  If I don't like the characters, I don't care if good or bad things
happen to them.

>I think it
>would make a welcome change to show a gradually growing healthy adult
>relationship in this kind of series that is NOT about romantic relations
>but about action and survival. What point would there be to put more
>angst into the situation when people already are feeling lost and really
>need to keep their heads together to make sure they survive? That ship
>(or the series) do not need Apollo having his head mixed-up or Starbuck
>not caring if she lives or dies because she thinks she's lost her best
>friend.

Relationships are hard and there is enough angst involved in them, without
inventing problems.  And the way TV shows drag it out, if it happened in
real
life you would have told the two people involved to get over each other long
ago.  And if they want it to seem realistic, well people will get involved,
it's a fact of life.  Also, given the situation there are lots of things
the writers could do to keep them apart while they're together.  Have them
just
just about to have some alone time together and get interrupted by the
Cylons,
the President, Commander Adama, etc.

>I must say I am sick and tired with tv showing that relationships can't
>last and that personal agony is the only thing that can make good plots.
>Yes, there can be an episode here and there with fighting and stuff but
>make the relationship happen and then stick with it. Think of something
>else for a plotline. I think it would make an enjoyable enough season to
>see those two even try to get some private time together and then trying
>to think of what to do with each other ("ahm, would you perhaps want
>to.. or maybe not but we could... no, that won't do... no, you
>decide...). Make it a funny game, not some annoying angsty stuff.

They could explore so much new territory IF they actually started off with
a couple that isn't together, then gradually got them together.  The keeping
them apart is so cliché, it's been done over and over and over again.  What
I don't get is that it seems writers will write two kinds of relationships -
the already established when you meet the characters or the we'll keep them
apart past the point that anyone cares about the characters getting
together.

The show will have more than enough angst with out the high school
histrionics
of "does he/she like me as much as I like her/him."  Besides it gets to the
point where you just want the characters to grow up.  And you wonder why
they
can be so confidant and skilled in everything except handling a relationship
with the person they care about in an adult manner.  It really does
undermine
the characters.

>Did you watch/like Silk Stalkings? I mean the REAL one with Rita and
>Chris? They had a real relationship with a very strong friendship that
>eventually growed into something so much more. What was so great about
>it was that the writers never let their relationship get sour and that's
>what I miss in tv. Real and lasting relationships because they are far
>more realistic.

Unfortunately I've on caught an episode here and there.  But I'll have
to keep an eye out for it.

>>But there is definitely more between them than just her being engaged
>>to Zak.  I'm thinking they definitely know which buttons to push with
>>one another, when to back off and when the other needs to relieve
>>tension.  I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses and
>>hopefully getting a few flashbacks.
>Yes, I agree they must have a very intense history and they definately
>seem to know each other better than anyone. Maybe they were best friends
>and then Lee left to pursue his career further (I can imagine him being
>totally about the career and oblivious to anything else around him,
>including his own feelings) and then Kara became the instructor and then
>came Zak.

Yeah, I can see Lee being totally focused on his career.  I also think that
when he was younger he wanted to prove himself to his dad.  I think he
was very driven to live up to his fathers' image and would have let
everything
else take a back seat to that.

>I like your 'first love' -theory. I wonder if the marriage would have
>lasted if Zak hadn't died and the cylons hadn't attacked. Could he have
>handled in the long run the fact that he was never going to be as good a
>pilot as his wife is.

I've wondered that too.  It seems that Zak wanted to live up to his Father
and brother - so I doubt Kara being a natural would have been an easy thing
to deal with.  And it definitely could have put a strain on the
relationship.

>I just think Kara needs someone more to her equal
>by her side but then again the Kara we know now must be different from
>who she was back then. Or maybe not so much, remembering Lee's comment
>"This seems familiar" in the brig...

While I'm sure that the Kara before could raise hell, I do think she was
different.  I can't see how she could have gone through that without
being different.  I think they both need someone who is an equal and who
respects who they are and what they do.  I also think Lee would be good
at grounding Kara, getting her to think before she acts impulsively.  And
that Kara would help Lee loosen up some.  They would provide a good balance
for each other.

>When will the next episode air in US?

We get Bastille Day on Friday.  Is it Friday yet ;).

Cheers,
Lola

Hi Lea,

and thank you from my part too for creating this group.

Must say, can't wait to see last one.

If you want to talk about last ep or the ones before that just use a
spoiler-warning.

SPOILER TO FOLLOW

















Didn't you just love the beginning right to the point where Kara
actually opened her eyes? The girl has some imagination....

Hi there!

Ah, we are so talking the same language here.

<<Well, they need some reason to keep them apart at the beginning, so
that they can build up the relationship.  Least I hope they build the
relationship, there is nothing more irritating than when they start
writing a promising relationship and then have the characters do
stupid and out of character things just to keep the characters apart
for fear that people won't watch once they're together.>>

I so totally agree with you!
I have been reading some boards talking about this relationship-thing
and almost all of them agree on that there needs to be some kind of
triangle or long-term misunderstanding of things or something to keep a
relationship interesting but I totally disagree with that. I think it
would make a welcome change to show a gradually growing healthy adult
relationship in this kind of series that is NOT about romantic relations
but about action and survival. What point would there be to put more
angst into the situation when people already are feeling lost and really
need to keep their heads together to make sure they survive? That ship
(or the series) do not need Apollo having his head mixed-up or Starbuck
not caring if she lives or dies because she thinks she's lost her best
friend.

I must say I am sick and tired with tv showing that relationships can't
last and that personal agony is the only thing that can make good plots.
Yes, there can be an episode here and there with fighting and stuff but
make the relationship happen and then stick with it. Think of something
else for a plotline. I think it would make an enjoyable enough season to
see those two even try to get some private time together and then trying
to think of what to do with each other ("ahm, would you perhaps want
to.. or maybe not but we could... no, that won't do... no, you
decide...). Make it a funny game, not some annoying angsty stuff.

Did you watch/like Silk Stalkings? I mean the REAL one with Rita and
Chris? They had a real relationship with a very strong friendship that
eventually growed into something so much more. What was so great about
it was that the writers never let their relationship get sour and that's
what I miss in tv. Real and lasting relationships because they are far
more realistic.

<<But there is definitely more between them than just her being engaged
to Zak.  I'm thinking they definitely know which buttons to push with
one another, when to back off and when the other needs to releive
tension.  I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses and
hopefully getting a few flashbacks.>>

Yes, I agree they must have a very intense history and they definately
seem to know each other better than anyone. Maybe they were best friends
and then Lee left to pursue his career further (I can imagine him being
totally about the career and oblivious to anything else around him,
including his own feelings) and then Kara became the instructor and then
came Zak.

I like your 'first love' -theory. I wonder if the marriage would have
lasted if Zak hadn't died and the cylons hadn't attacked. Could he have
handled in the long run the fact that he was never going to be as good a
pilot as his wife is. I just think Kara needs someone more to her equal
by her side but then again the Kara we know now must be different from
who she was back then. Or maybe not so much, remembering Lee's comment
"This seems familiar" in the brig...

When will the next episode air in US?

Jo

Hi Lea,

> My name is Lea and I created this site.  I have just managed to get
> back online myself due to my comp having to be reformatted lots of
> fun their and have been ill.

Thanks for creating the list :).  Sorry to hear that you and your
computer have been under the weather.

> Some Lee and Kara scenes hmm let me think on that.  We have the
> last eppy here on monday.

I'm sooo far behind, but I guess at least I can look forward to the
episodes now that they're actually showing them in the US.

Questions about talking about the eps and spoiler space, should we
use spoiler space for the whole season?  Should we use spoiler space
for what hasn't or has just aired in the US or just for the UK?  Or
do we not use it and everyone takes their chances?

Also curious as to who has seen what eps?

Cheers,
Lola

Hi Jo,

>Well, there will be nice scenes in the episodes 4, 5 and 7 and then
>fromt he episode 10 on the going just gets better, and I mean the
>whole story, not just Lee and Kara.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll be looking forward to those episodes.
I can't help but feel a bit out of the lop since you guys are so far
ahead, but I'll go ahead and give my opinions (hopefully they won't
be to out of whack with what comes up in later eps *g*).

>I think the reunion-scene in the mini-series part 2 was very sweet.
>It looked like they really had to struggle to keep from hugging each
>other, which by the way I didn't really understand why it didn't
>happen but then again Lee and showing emotions....

I would have like to see a hug too, but Lee does seem a bit reserved
for that.  Only having seen a couple of eps, I can't help wondering
if he was always that way or if Zak's death contributed to it.  I'm
hoping we'll see a bit of the back story on the characters.

>And then in the end when Kara
>took the photo and unfolded it, that told us something about her
>feelings. It was like until then she could ignore him because he had
>been out of sight but when he came back to her life she could not
>help herself. And no, I dont' doubt for a second that she didn't
>love Zak, I just have been wondering if there has always been
>something more in herpart but because of the lack of... action from
>Lee's part made her ignore the feelings and look elsewhere.

I think part of that might have been the guilt she felt over Zak's
death and how Zak's death came between Lee and his father.  While I
don't doubt Kara's feelings for Zak either, the little I've seen
makes me wonder.  Kara/Zak seems very much like thier first love.  If
she and Lee get into a romantic relationship, it would defintely be
one with eyes wide open and the reality that life is short,
especially in their current situation.  None of the blinders that
your first love tends to have.

I also loved her rescue of Lee when his Viper was dead in space.  She
was unwilling to leave him behind and while I think Kara would have
done the same thing for anyone [well, may be not Tigh ;)], I don't
think she was willing to lose some else who was close to her.

Maybe with everything that's happend she's willing to open up to Lee
and see where it goes, take a chance.  I'm hoping he opens up too.

>Didn't you just love the scene in "33" when Kara was supposed to take
>those stims? I think that showed how well especially Lee knows Kara
>because any other CAG would have been smacking her silent. I love
>that they can laugh together and make each other laugh.

That was great.  Lee let her rant because he knew she needed to get it
out of her system.  They're good for each other, I don't think he
would have let anyone else get away with it.

>My evaluation is that Kara is a bit more open but still very scared
>about emotions like love and caring. Lee can lower his defenses and
>feel and very comfortable around Kara but when it comes to feelings
>like love he is, like Kara said, a bit of a dipstick and bottles up
>instantly. He is about control and right now he feels like he needs
>to stay 110% incontrol to keep it together. Frustrating, but it
>makes good plotlines.

Well, they need some reason to keep them apart at the beginning, so
that they can build up the relationship.  Least I hope they build the
relationship, there is nothing more irritating than when they start
writing a promising relationship and then have the characters do
stupid and out of character things just to keep the characters apart
for fear that people won't watch once they're together.

But there is definitely more between them than just her being engaged
to Zak.  I'm thinking they definitely know which buttons to push with
one another, when to back off and when the other needs to releive
tension.  I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses and
hopefully getting a few flashbacks.

>I'm a sucker for these relationship-things and when I see one that
>has great chemistry I can't seem to get it out of my head . I just
>hope that whatever they decide to do with those two romance-wise
>they won't ruin the friendship because watching them bicker and
>tease each other is enjoyable.

I'm a sucker for the reltionship-things too :).  The banter seems to
be very integral to the characters, specially Kara (I've yet to see
Lee loosen up too much, but I'm hoping).  I can't see them writing
the charaters without it.  It adds such a great dynamic and with the
dark and gritty nature of the series, they need the light moments to
add some balance.

>Okay, enough ranting for now.
>Jo

Cheers,
Lola

Hi guys,

My name is Lea and I created this site.  I have just managed to get back
online myself due to my comp having to be reformatted lots of fun their and
have been ill.

Some Lee and Kara scenes hmm let me think on that.  We have the last eppy
here on monday.

Lea

Hi Lola,

Well, there will be nice scenes in the episodes 4, 5 and 7 and then from
the episode 10 on the going just gets better, and I mean the whole
story, not just Lee and Kara.

I think the reunion-scene in the mini-series part 2 was very sweet. It
looked like they really had to struggle to keep from hugging each other,
which by the way I didn't really understand why it didn't happen but
then again Lee and showing emotions.... And then in the end when Kara
took the photo and unfolded it, that told us something about her
feelings. It was like until then she could ignore him because he had
been out of sight but when he came back to her life she could not help
herself. And no, I dont' doubt for a second that she didn't love Zak, I
just have been wondering if there has always been something more in her
part but because of the lack of... action from Lee's part made her
ignore the feelings and look elsewhere.

Didn't you just love the scene in "33" when Kara was supposed to take
those stims? I think that showed how well especially Lee knows Kara
because any other CAG would have been smacking her silent. I love that
they can laugh together and make each other laugh.

My evaluation is that Kara is a bit more open but still very scared
about emotions like love and caring. Lee can lower his defenses and feel
and very comfortable around Kara but when it comes to feelings like love
he is, like Kara said, a bit of a dipstick and bottles up instantly. He
is about control and right now he feels like he needs to stay 110% in
control to keep it together. Frustrating, but it makes good plotlines.

I'm a sucker for these relationship-things and when I see one that has
great chemistry I can't seem to get it out of my head . I just hope that
whatever they decide to do with those two romance-wise they won't ruin
the friendship because watching them bicker and tease each other is
enjoyable.

Okay, enough ranting for now.

Jo


> Hi Jo,
>
> I'm Lola and I just joined the list today.
>
> I'm in the US, so I've only seen the mini, 33 and Water, but I've been
> enjoying the interaction between Lee and Kara and I'm definitely looking
> forward to seeing more.
>
> While I don't want spoilers, I am curious if there are any episodes that you
> think are particularly good for Kara/Lee scenes?
>
> Cheers,
> Lola

-----Original Message-----
From: nefertari@... [mailto:nefertari@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:18 PM
To: KaraLee@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [KaraLee] Hello

I saw this group has not been very active lately but still has members
so I would like to introduce myself.

I'm Jo and I love the new Battlestar Galactica -series. I saw the
chemistry between Apollo and Starbuck in the miniseries and couldn't
wait for the series to begin to see how the writers had decided to
handle their relationship and I must admit having seeing the 12 episodes
that there has been some great scenes. I won't be giving up any spoilers
unless someone wants to have discussion about the later episodes because
I understand that the series has just begun in the US.

This is Jo signing out.

I saw this group has not been very active lately but still has members
so I would like to introduce myself.

I'm Jo and I love the new Battlestar Galactica -series. I saw the
chemistry between Apollo and Starbuck in the miniseries and couldn't
wait for the series to begin to see how the writers had decided to
handle their relationship and I must admit having seeing the 12 episodes
that there has been some great scenes. I won't be giving up any spoilers
unless someone wants to have discussion about the later episodes because
I understand that the series has just begun in the US.

This is Jo signing out.

Please enjoy yourself here fanfiction is welcome as long it has the
warnings and spoilers on if they are required.  Just talk is also
welcome we are here to celebrate the characters of Starbuck and
Apollo.