For "punk vampire" thrills, "Lost Boys" is hard to beat.  I seem to
recall that at the time, Kiefer was in a relationship with Julia
Roberts, starring with her in "Flatliners".  Kiefer was considered
the bigger "name" of the two, since I don't think she had
made "Pretty Woman" at that point.  Looking back, Kiefer has almost
had two separate careers and done a fine job in both.  Has anyone
ihn the group ever seen "The Vanishing" and if so, is it a movie
that would rate more than one watching?  It's in the discount bin at
the local Wal-Mart, but knowing a little about the plot, I've shied
away from buying it.  Any thoughts?

KJJ



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> Welcome Angie!
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> I remember "The Lost Boys". That was a great movie!  A lot of well
known
> faces in that one at the time. They've been showing it a lot on
cable
> channels lately. I still love to watch it. Tee Hee
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> I'm kicking myself for not watching "24" since the beginning.
Thank heavens
> for the DVD sets!  I'm almost completely caught up. Yay!
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> Jack and Audrey fans! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jack-Audrey
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> -------Original Message-------
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> From: Angie Bray
> Date: 02/15/06 01:31:00
> To: Jack-Audrey@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Jack-Audrey] I'm One Of The New Members
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> Greetings Jack and Audrey fans! I just wanted to check in to
say "hi"
> and give a brief introduction. I've been a fan of "24" since
season one
> and I've been a fan of Kiefer Sutherland ever since "The Lost
> Boys"(Anybody here remember that one?) Thanks for letting me join
and I
> know I'm gonna have a lot of fun here. Thanks!~~Angie :)
>

Greetings Jack and Audrey fans! I just wanted to check in to say "hi"
and give a brief introduction. I've been a fan of "24" since season one
and I've been a fan of Kiefer Sutherland ever since "The Lost
Boys"(Anybody here remember that one?) Thanks for letting me join and I
know I'm gonna have a lot of fun here. Thanks!~~Angie :)

I know a lot of people in other groups have a great dislike for Kim. 
It seems like some characters generate a great deal of loyalty, like
Chloe, while Kim is seen as just getting in the way of the plot.  I
certainly didn't feel that way about Kim's character in Season 3, as
they gave her more things to do and a reason for being at CTU. 
Depending on how her plot line plays out, I'm braced to hear a whole
new wave of "She's awful!  We hate her!  Why is she back?"  I like her
and it's obvious that Jack loves her.  Is it possible that Kim and
Audrey are so disliked because viewers are jealous of the attention
and affection Jack gives them?

KJJ

I know a lot of people in other groups have a great dislike for Kim.
It seems like some characters generate a great deal of loyalty, like
Chloe, while Kim is seen as just getting in the way of the plot.  I
certainly didn't feel that way about Kim's character in Season 3, as
they gave her more things to do and a reason for being at CTU.
Depending on how her plot line plays out, I'm braced to hear a whole
new wave of "She's awful!  We hate her!  Why is she back?"  I like her
and it's obvious that Jack loves her.  Is it possible that Kim and
Audrey are so disliked because viewers are jealous of the attention
and affection Jack gives them?

KJJ

Wow, I just noticed that we've gained a few new members in the last
several days.

Welcome to our group! Feel free to jump in at any time. =)

Hey guys I'm new here. Jack and Audrey are the best so I wrote a fic
about them. It takes place during the season 5 prequel when Jack is
hiding out Chicago. Audrey is visting family for Christmas and finds
Jack unconscious on the street. Things go from there. Let me know what
you think. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2723897/1/

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> CTU.Audrey sort of spoke as though she knows Kim, so I'm assuming
> they met at Jack's funeral? Did Kim know the nature of their
> relationship before? It will be interesting to see how Kim has
> changed since the last time we saw her. (If she's changed at all)
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> I think the most important was the scene where Jack was torturing
> the sleazy old man while the members of CTU listened to the
> interrogation. Audrey had a problem with the violence before
> Jack's "death", but she stood firm and never flinched through the
> entire torture/interrogation. This again lends credence to the
fact
> that last season, had Audrey been given time to rest and think,
she
> would have come to her senses and made ammends with Jack. She
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> loved Jack, that she made perfectly clear, but she just couldnt
> handle his "life" at CTU.  Now, it looks as though Audrey is
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> ensconsed in that life and able to understand and accept the
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> since Jack last saw her. I can't wait until they get another
private
> moment together! =)
>
    Good points!  I think Audrey was able to take the
torture/interrogation a bit better this time because a) she didn't
know this man; b) she heard but didn't see it; and c) she understood
how vital it was to get intell from this guy who knew things, as
opposed to Paul, who really was in the dark.  I think she has grown
over the previous 18 months.  Still, with the Chinese government
rumored to be re-introduced to the storyline, it's not clear what
will be waiitng for her and Jack after this "day" is over.
    Plus, the robbery of Lynn may be setting up an "invasion" of CTU
by terrorists, putting Audrey and perhaps Kim in danger.  I hope
not, but the robbery didn't happen for no reason whatsoever.  It
would appear that Audrey and Kim have some sort of relationship.

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Another great episode last night! Although, we didn't get a lot of
Jack & Audrey interaction, I think we saw a couple of significant
scenes.

The first being Jack trusting Audrey to call Kim and bring her to
CTU.Audrey sort of spoke as though she knows Kim, so I'm assuming
they met at Jack's funeral? Did Kim know the nature of their
relationship before? It will be interesting to see how Kim has
changed since the last time we saw her. (If she's changed at all)

I think the most important was the scene where Jack was torturing
the sleazy old man while the members of CTU listened to the
interrogation. Audrey had a problem with the violence before
Jack's "death", but she stood firm and never flinched through the
entire torture/interrogation. This again lends credence to the fact
that last season, had Audrey been given time to rest and think, she
would have come to her senses and made ammends with Jack. She still
loved Jack, that she made perfectly clear, but she just couldnt
handle his "life" at CTU.  Now, it looks as though Audrey is firmly
ensconsed in that life and able to understand and accept the things
that must be done.

It looks as though she'd done a lot of growing in the 18 months
since Jack last saw her. I can't wait until they get another private
moment together! =)

Kim will be appearing on "Martha" on 2/9.  I'm not sure if this is
syndicated or not, but for me in the Philadelphia area it's on 2/9 at
12PM.  Check your local listings!

Description:  "Actress Kim Raver makes angel food cake with Martha."

One thing I love about Kiefer in this role, is the two sides of Jack
that he displays so openly. One moment, Jack is Mr. Tough Guy,
running around spitting out orders, fighting, and shooting. The very
next moment he's tenderly talking to someone he loves in the low,
almost whisper way that he has about him. Sometimes it really is
easy to believe that Jack Bauer is two different people.

You make very valid points kjj. Jack is a man who wants to be happy,
to live his life with a family and a women who he loves and returns
that love to him in full force. But, he also has an undeniable sense
of duty to his country.

He'd already opened his heart and soul to Audrey. She knew about
everything, his heroine addiction, being fired from CTU, what
happened to Terri, all of it. She had just never been faced with the
ramifications of what all of it meant, until that day. With the
first hour of season 4, we learned so many things about their
relationship. Not only had they fallen in love with each other, but
when Jack whispered to her about how he wants nothing more than to
feel happy, content, and to feel a "connection" to another person,
and how it means so much to him. He hadn't felt it since Terri was
alive. That spoke volumes to me that this was the woman who was
filling that void in Jack's life.

Audrey went through absolute and pure hell that day. She had a soon
to be ex-husband, who wasn't really all that bad of a guy, just a
bit of a pompous jerk, who was pressuring her to reunite with him.
Her father and brother were at each other's throats. Then she and
her father are kidnapped and held hostage. How many times did they
drag her away from him and prepare to kill her right on the spot?
Yikes.I would have been a pile of gellatin by the time I was
rescued.

And then tack on the rest of the day. Audrey's mind was in a million
places at once. Everyone goes through a "straw that broke the
camel's back" moment, and the way Paul died was Audrey's. Anyone's
natural defense would be to blame the person there. Unfortunately,
that was Jack.  If they'd had more time, a day or two to be able to
rest and regroup a bit, Audrey would have come around and seen that
Jack did nothing but what he HAD to do.

Unfortunately, to end an already horrible, emotionally draining,
miserable 24 hours, Jack "died" and she never got that chance to
regroup her thoughts and emotions.

Now, they have that chance again. It killed me when Audrey and Jack
first got to speak, and her instinct was to reach out and touch him.
There's no way these two are done yet. I can't wait to see what else
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--- In Jack-Audrey@yahoogroups.com, "agentkjj005" <agentkjj005@...>
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> As a character (wonderfully portrayed by Kiefer) we see a man who
> has two sides -- one a kind and gentle person, who attracted both
> Audrey and Diane with his rugged good looks, but also his charming
> manner.  I think a part of Jack would never even want to watch a
> violent TV show again, let alone pick up a gun or harm someone
> else.  That's one side of Jack, kind and loving.
>    The other side is a man who submerges all that kindness to
> accomplish his job.  He will shoot and yes torture poeple to get
the
> information he needs to save the nation.  It hurts him inside to
do
> this, but he does not let his personal feelings stop him from
doing
> what must be done.  Audrey saw both sides of Jack last season and
at
> the time seemed unable to deal with what she saw.  Now, 18 months
> later, she has a second chance.
>    Diane has really only seen the kind side of Jack.  Her son may
be
> able to fill in some of what Jack did in the airport, but that was
> heroic in helping in his rescue.  How she will deal with the other
> side of Jack, if she sees it, remains to be seen.
>    Neither may be able to take the strain as the rest of
this "day"
> unfolds, to say nothing of the seasons ahead.  Jack is not a
> character who gets to much "happiness" in his life.  I'm rooting
for
> Audrey.
>
> KJJ
>

As a character (wonderfully portrayed by Kiefer) we see a man who
has two sides -- one a kind and gentle person, who attracted both
Audrey and Diane with his rugged good looks, but also his charming
manner.  I think a part of Jack would never even want to watch a
violent TV show again, let alone pick up a gun or harm someone
else.  That's one side of Jack, kind and loving.
    The other side is a man who submerges all that kindness to
accomplish his job.  He will shoot and yes torture poeple to get the
information he needs to save the nation.  It hurts him inside to do
this, but he does not let his personal feelings stop him from doing
what must be done.  Audrey saw both sides of Jack last season and at
the time seemed unable to deal with what she saw.  Now, 18 months
later, she has a second chance.
    Diane has really only seen the kind side of Jack.  Her son may be
able to fill in some of what Jack did in the airport, but that was
heroic in helping in his rescue.  How she will deal with the other
side of Jack, if she sees it, remains to be seen.
    Neither may be able to take the strain as the rest of this "day"
unfolds, to say nothing of the seasons ahead.  Jack is not a
character who gets to much "happiness" in his life.  I'm rooting for
Audrey.

KJJ

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I was hoping Audrey would have done more to express her feelings
about Jack to Diane instead of being evasive, because Diane was
honest enought to tell Audrey she cared for him and would want him
back. Diane was ready to stand up and acknowledge how she felt.
Audrey almost told Jack how she felt on the phone. Maybe Jack would
be more forthcoming if Audrey could get him alone in person. She
knows he's busy and has lots more on his mind when she called. I
don't think Jack will be walking away into the sunset again. More
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--- In Jack-Audrey@yahoogroups.com, "sleepyinnj" <debgramlich@...>
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> questioned him.  And Audrey can try to play tough all she wants,
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> definitely still has feelings for Jack, as much as she's trying to
> push them down from the surface.
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> It worried me that Audrey almost tearfully asked Jack to "not go
> away again" and later he told President Logan that once the whole
> mess is over, he's disappear, no questions asked.
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> I can't wait to see how all of this plays out!
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I think that Jack was so kind, and honest to both women. He made no
bones about the fact that he's still in love with Audrey when Diane
questioned him.  And Audrey can try to play tough all she wants, she
definitely still has feelings for Jack, as much as she's trying to
push them down from the surface.

It worried me that Audrey almost tearfully asked Jack to "not go
away again" and later he told President Logan that once the whole
mess is over, he's disappear, no questions asked.

I can't wait to see how all of this plays out!

Kiefer will be on Late Show with David Letterman on January 31st. It
is a repeat.

On Saturday, February 2nd, he will be appearing on The Late Late Show
With Craig Ferguson. This appears to be a new interview. =)

Yay!

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McCain has a role in '24' — but just for a 'blink'

Viewers will be able to spot a real government figure on the Feb. 6
episode of 24 (Fox, 9 p.m. ET/PT). Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a fan,
was visiting the set in the fall when producers asked if he was
interested in doing "a little Alfred Hitchcock star turn," executive
producer Howard Gordon says. "We had a scene in which Audrey Raines
(Kim Raver) needs to get a file folder from someone, and Sen. McCain
delivered it."

McCain's non-speaking cameo as an unidentified bureaucrat is so
brief it seems like a "Where's Waldo?" moment, Gordon says. "If you
blink, you'll miss it."

Before the scene, producers talked politics with McCain. "He was
more interested in talking about scenes from 24," Gordon says. "He
was able to cite chapter and verse from the seasons."

If this was an average TV show, where characters have years to
stumble around before discovreing they love each other, I'd say "Yes",
Jack and Audrey have a chance at happiness.  This being "24", I'm not
sure their odds are at all good.  Jack is never going to have
a "normal" life and unless Audrey's character is going to become a
permenant member of CTU in LA, they will likely drift apart.  I
certainly hope they don't plan on killing her.

Agent 005

If this was an average TV show, where characters have years to
stumble arounfd before discovreing they love each other, I'd
say "Yes", Jack and Audrey have a chance at happiness.  This
being "24", I'm not sure their odds are at all good.  Jack is never
going to have a "normal" life and unless Audrey's character is going
to become a permenant member of CTU in LA, they will likely drift
apart.  I certainly hope they don't plan on killing her.

Agent 005

I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only Jack/Audrey shipper out
there, I was getting frightened.

So what do you guys think?  Do they have a chance to get back what
they had at the beginning of season 4? Audrey seems to have come to
terms with Jack's role at CTU, can they make it work?