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Re: The Lens of Time

I know that Trek is fiction, I'm just rankled about how the characters were
treated in the new film. It seemed very inconsistent with the characters that
were established. According to the new movie the characters are all
approximately the same age, and graduated from the academy at the same time. To
me it just didn't seem as if the producers built upon the legacy that was left,
instead they wanted to erase it and create something new. And what was "new"
seemed very similar to the plot of the first "Star Wars" movie.

Anyway I know a lot of people like the new movie so I won't get into an argument
about it. If you like it or if you hate it it's just an opinion. My Scottish and
Spanish roots make me stubborn as hell.


--- In ImpossibleMissionsForce@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Nickelson
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> Thanks for the positive thoughts on the new ST movie, Robert. Like you, I'm a
diehard classic Trek fan. I can quote dialogue from Trek eps like few others
can. I've been going to conventions for years. I, too, very much enjoyed the new
film and wish that it continues to do well. I bristle at the fans who are
totally resistant to change. They tend to look at shows like Trek as untouchable
and perfect. My thought is, it's fiction. Great fiction, but still fiction
nonetheless. And, if directors like J.J. Abrams can improve upon the formula or
show a different slant, go for it. Even with MI, though I initially had a
problem with the 1996 movie having Phelps as the villain and a lesser use of the
team formula, I gave it a second viewing and enjoyed it more the second time
when I actually started thinking about whether it's conceivable that Phelps
could become a villain and I started seeing that the team formula actually was
being used a lot in the film. At
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> Now, back to the series, I'm really enjoying the posts about the
lesser-discussed eps. Especially the thread about the ruthless air in season
one. "The Legacy" stands out as a particularly brutal-edged episode, with Rollin
really losing his cool with Graf when Briggs gets shot in the climax. I remember
Barney saying "Willy, get him off of him! He'll kill him!" and Willy having to
pull Rollin off Graf. Very out of norm but very human for Rollin.
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> Kevin
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> > Subject: [ImpossibleMissionsForce] Re: The Lens of Time
> > To: ImpossibleMissionsForce@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 7:41 PM
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> > That being said, back to M:I! In George Takei's
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I know that many fans of Mission: Impossible don't like the later seasons as much as the earlier ones. In many ways this is how it is with most television...
Erik E Miller
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Jun 15, 2009
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When I say cynical I don't refer to the plots themselves.(I think that many of the scripts for Mission: Impossible are wonderfully cynical and I wouldn't...
Erik E Miller
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Jun 15, 2009
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"There is a primitive phase, classical, revisionist, and parody phase." Wow...that is a really good summary I've been saying for years about many of the great...
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Jun 16, 2009
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I'm glad that you also noticed this about most TV shows. The idea about the phases isn't original to me (only the term I use for the last two seasons of...
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Jun 17, 2009
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Erik, Thanks...actually, as soon as I posted my last message, I thought I was *maybe* being a little hard on The Bob Newhart Show, but I still think I'm right....
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<< I know that many fans of Mission: Impossible don't like the later seasons as much as the earlier ones. In many ways this is how it is with most television...
Lady Talara
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Jun 18, 2009
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You raise a lot of interesting points. Now that I have seen most of the Sixth Season, I must say as a whole it is greatly inferior to the seasons before it,...
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Jun 21, 2009
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Wow...I've got so much I want to add here, but I don't want to take the board too off-topic. [Trying my best to keep things on-topic...] I think there are two...
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I think that "The Bob Newhart Show" is dated today, but it is still very well written and the characters are solid. I always preferred the film M*A*S*H over...
Erik E Miller
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Jul 2, 2009
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Ha! Hello Talara. I see you also feel the same way about the new reboot of the classic Star Trek. OH well this is not the forum for that, and I want to keep...
Erik E Miller
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Jul 2, 2009
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... Though this is a M:I mail list, I felt that I must speak out. I've been a classic ST fan since the 1960s. I have the classic shows and ST 1-6 on tape,...
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Jul 2, 2009
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Thanks for the positive thoughts on the new ST movie, Robert. Like you, I'm a diehard classic Trek fan. I can quote dialogue from Trek eps like few others can....
Kevin Nickelson
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Jul 3, 2009
12:03 am

Kevin, Wow...that moment with Rollin in "The Legacy" is one of my favorite moments, too...I thought I was the only one. I think that the IMF's consistent cool...
ddtdigest
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Jul 3, 2009
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That's great trivia about the actors in "The Legacy." It reminds me of all of the German actors who escaped to the US during WWII and then wound up playing...
Erik E Miller
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Jul 3, 2009
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I know that Trek is fiction, I'm just rankled about how the characters were treated in the new film. It seemed very inconsistent with the characters that were...
Erik E Miller
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Jul 4, 2009
12:47 am

... I know that Trek is fiction, I'm just rankled about how the characters were treated in the new film. It seemed very inconsistent with the characters that...
Kevin Nickelson
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Jul 4, 2009
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Well, Yaakov, I can tell you this: I can't watch All In the Family anymore, because I've met too many Archie Bunkers in my life and didn't find them one bit...
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Jun 22, 2009
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I don't know about you, but I still have a hard time believing that Donald Harron, who played Graf in "The Legacy," is the same guy who played "newscaster"...
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