Thanks for the sounding. I am looking forward to Sunday when we will
have both Seth and Charlie at Jack's back. It looks to be another
episode that will leave you with a surprise.

One of the things I enjoy about this show is that the plot doesn't
stay on one thread or character for the whole hour. By time the
story has come and gone, you feel like you have been some where.


--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, dragonbane4@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/28/2004 10:41:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> desperados1876@y... writes:
> Sol and Seth's relationship would be like playing the straight man
to Seth's
> emotional reactions for frontier justice. I cracked up when Sol
asked Seth
> what he was supposed to do about it (as in Bill's killer being
found not guilty
> and set free). The whole conversation between the two was serious
but
> hilarious. It was a great scene.
> Yeah, it was, and it was one of my favorites of the whole series.
I actually
> saw it a little bit differently, because Sol *knew* that seth
didn't give a
> flying fornication for Highwater or anything about the sermon,
just that it was
> leaking-over frustration.  And yet, he knew *just* when to change
the
> subject, and *just* what Seth was going to do.
>
> Furthermore... I like the way they very smoothly implied that Sol
looks out
> for or takes care of Seth, because here goes Seth storming off,
and forgetting
> a simple thing like his suspenders, and it's the *one* thing that
Sol notices.
>  And reminds him about.
> Trixie and Alma's characters are really being developed. It would
be nice to
> see Alma become an equal participant in moulding Deadwood's
future. Al needs
> an equal rival, one that is not part of the good old buddies as I
think Cy
> Tolliver will become.
> I don't think that Alma's got that kind of future ahead of her,
just because
> she's (right now, anyway) a little too milk-and-water.  She can't
stand up to
> the down and dirty nasty kind of give-and-take that Swearegen
deals in, and
> she knows it.  Which is why she let Hickok get Seth in on the
proxy and the
> claim business, because she's over her head and she knows it.
>
> Maybe once she gets off the laudanum for good, and hangs out a
little bit
> with Trixie to figure out just where her backbone is, she might
have the kind of
> brassies it'd take to take Al on.
>
> Thirdly, I don't think that Al trusts Cy Tolliver any further than
he can
> throw him.  Yes, they work together for the same ends, and they
have the same end
> goals, but Cy is, first and foremost, a rival to Al, and while
they might
> have a working relationship cooperative thing, I don't think
there'll ever be
> friendship there.
> I wonder how much longer Trixie will be in the picture. Alma won't
be able to
> protect her from Al's long reach. I think they may have her move
on with the
> child back east with Alma paying the bills. It will be interesting
to see
> where Trixie ends up.
> I think she'll stay in deadwood.  And I'll tell you why--Al needs
her.  She's
> the only one of his women that he can trust to do his work for
him.  And
> while I don't think he's got respect for her at all, I do think
she holds some
> kind of interest for him, being as how she's not quite like the
other whores--she
> shows an interest in what's going on in the world around her, she
takes care
> of herself (witness her shooting the trick in the first episode)
and she's not
> afraid of much.  So he might try and punish her, but I think he
knows he
> can't afford to lose her entirely.
>
> Kel
> "If irritating me is the jackpot, you got the job done."--Wild
Bill Hickok,
> "Deadwood"

Here is a link to a pic of Wild Bill's first grave site probably
around 1877. Charlie has now placed his memorial board in front of
the very crude tree stump (which you can still see behind the board)
which was Bill's original and only marker when they buried him in
August 1876.

There is something about this photo that is hauntingly sad to me
when you look at the muddy clear cut hills he was buried on quite
unceremoniously. Thinking back to what an interesting life he led,
not much significance was shown to his passing before Charlie placed
his heart felt piece to his old pard.

I found it compelling to see what Bill saw, environment-wise, at the
time of his death; just like being in the moment.

I don't know if you like this sort of stuff, but I hate to admit I
am a cemetery junky when it comes to the old west.

I thought you might enjoy it.
http://65.40.245.240/gallery/gunmen/oldgrav.gif



--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Harty" <hartykevin@y...>
wrote:
>
> This is great stuff thanks.
>
>
> -
> > Adams Museum Deadwood
> > http://adamsmuseumandhouse.org/answers/ccutter.html
> >
> >
>
> >

----- Original Message -----

From: broooksie72

To: HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:05 AM

Subject: [HBO_Deadwood] I'm new

Hi All!

I just joined today. I LOVE Deadwood, it's fast becoming an
addiction, just like The Sopranos and Carnivale.
It's getting real interesting now that they have "the plague".
Watching last Sundays show, I thought Bullock was going to be a goner
for a minute there, lol. Should have known that he'd meet up with
Charlie, and they'd go after McCall together. Can't wait to see that
@@@@@@@ get his!

I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say about the show.

Maggie

Having the show be a blend of real and fictional characters makes it
more interesting to me than any history lesson of the era that I had
to sit through.

Along with your mention of the Lakota words, the very vivid picture
of the striking paint and the importance of its markings made Seth's
adversary more than body paint and black wigs of the spaghetti
westerns and earlier. Charlie's description of "coup", I had to say
what? I had never heard of it and I was raised on westerns. It
interested me enough to go and find out what he was talking about.

History teachers, everywhere, should be jumping up and down, as long
as the audience will be able to keep the fact from the fiction.

Some other words of interest, used so far, are in describing someone
who has "sand". It is a true western complement. I had never heard
of that either before.

David Milch's writing team is becoming masters in interweaving the
real with the surreal. The Adams Museum team tries to keep them on
the straight and narrow. One of the writers wanted to know if they
were to show vegetables being grown in camp, if that would have been
accurate for the time. If they care to go to that detail, I can see
why everyone is enjoying the show.

--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, DaveW50789@a... wrote:
> I discovered the series several episodes ago and I am definitely
> hooked. I echo the other comments about interesting characters and
> particularly the attention to historical detail.
>
> For those who may not have noticed, the Sioux who attacked Seth
was
> using real Lakota words. "Wasitchu" is the word for white man. I
> liked the touch that Seth insisted on properly burying the man who
> he killed for trying to kill him. For anyone who has been in a
> street fight, that contest had more the ring of truth than Gary
> Cooper's sanitary shootout.
>
> I hope that the series will endure longer than the prototype
> Deadwood.
>
> David Wilma
> www.historylink.org

Hi All!

I just joined today. I LOVE Deadwood, it's fast becoming an
addiction, just like The Sopranos and Carnivale.
It's getting real interesting now that they have "the plague".
Watching last Sundays show, I thought Bullock was going to be a goner
for a minute there, lol. Should have known that he'd meet up with
Charlie, and they'd go after McCall together. Can't wait to see that
@@@@@@@ get his!

I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say about the show.

Maggie

I discovered the series several episodes ago and I am definitely
hooked. I echo the other comments about interesting characters and
particularly the attention to historical detail.

For those who may not have noticed, the Sioux who attacked Seth was
using real Lakota words. "Wasitchu" is the word for white man. I
liked the touch that Seth insisted on properly burying the man who
he killed for trying to kill him. For anyone who has been in a
street fight, that contest had more the ring of truth than Gary
Cooper's sanitary shootout.

I hope that the series will endure longer than the prototype
Deadwood.

David Wilma
www.historylink.org

Sol and Seth's relationship would be like playing the straight man to Seth's emotional reactions for frontier justice. I cracked up when Sol asked Seth what he was supposed to do about it (as in Bill's killer being found not guilty and set free). The whole conversation between the two was serious but hilarious. It was a great scene.

Trixie and Alma's characters are really being developed. It would be nice to see Alma become an equal participant in moulding Deadwood's future. Al needs an equal rival, one that is not part of the good old buddies as I think Cy Tolliver will become.

I wonder how much longer Trixie will be in the picture. Alma won't be able to protect her from Al's long reach. I think they may have her move on with the child back east with Alma paying the bills. It will be interesting to see where Trixie ends up.

Hey and a big wave to everyone. I have really been loving the show.
I post some on the HBO (www.hbo.com) site but I find it too hard to
get around and I also am on another Deadwood group on Yahoo
(http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/DeadwoodHBO/?yguid=180795764) that
is very active. So if any of you are from thouse places you might
know me. I would love to see what you all have to say as well.

I thought it was pretty cool when Dan talked about the baseball in
Chicago that it should be in the paper and it was too funny the way
AL was just loving how he helped with the paper.

Jen
"Tuth is as a base of operations you can't beat a fucking saloon."
  - Al ep. #6

This is great stuff thanks.


-
> Adams Museum Deadwood
> http://adamsmuseumandhouse.org/answers/ccutter.html
>
>

>

Sol and Seth's relationship would be like playing the straight man
to Seth's emotional reactions for frontier justice. I cracked up
when Sol asked Seth what he was supposed to do about it (as in
Bill's killer being found not guilty and set free). The whole
conversation between the two was serious but hilarious. It was a
great scene.

Trixie and Alma's characters are really being developed. It would be
nice to see Alma become an equal participant in moulding Deadwood's
future. Al needs an equal rival, one that is not part of the good
old buddies as I think Cy Tolliver will become.

I wonder how much longer Trixie will be in the picture. Alma won't
be able to protect her from Al's long reach. I think they may have
her move on with the child back east with Alma paying the bills. It
will be interesting to see where Trixie ends up.


--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, dragonbane4@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/27/2004 11:32:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> desperados1876@y... writes:
> I loved the episode.
> I think that this episode has been the strongest episode so far,
because it
> goes such a long way in showing the different layers in *every*
character,
> while centering the episode's story mostly on Seth and the way he
deals with
> Bill's death and his responsibilities afterwards.
>
> I especially noticed this with Alma Garrett and Trixie, because
their subplot
> doesn't really come into fruition until the next episode, and you
see the end
> result of their working together, but shows you Trixie's backbone,
and the
> fact that she probably could be more than a whore, given the
chance to break
> away from Al, even for a few moments.  And Alma is trying the same
thing; they're
> both women without men right now; yes, Trixie has Al, but he's her
pimp for
> all intents, not her husband or her friend, and I think they're
bonding on the
> level that they've both got strengths neither knew they had, and I
think
> that's an amazing tact for the writers and such to take.
>
> I also like what they're doing with Sol and Seth.  They've managed
to show,
> at least in my opinion, that Sol is the strong, silent and quiet
friend who
> looks out for his hotheaded friend, much like Charlie Utter looked
out for Bill.
> Only Sol is younger and less beaten down, and Seth is just a
little different
> from Bill in that he does seem to have something that Bill was
missing.
>
> Finally, I like that they used this episode to show just how
deeply Seth and
> Bill's friendship/relationship/however you wanna call it runs, and
how
> respectful everyone in the town was about it.  From Seth
threatening the Indian hair
> salesman to bitching out the Doctor to dealing with Sol and the
Reverend,
> everyone gave him a wide, understanding berth when he got
angry/frustrated about
> the trial and not being left alone to do what he felt he had to
do.
>
> Kel
>
> "If irritating me is the jackpot, you got the job done."--Wild
Bill Hickok,
> "Deadwood"

I was hoping for more of the meat locker rage that Seth experienced,
but as you say, by that time it was all over with.

Have you seen the real picture of Charlie Utter at Bill's grave over
at the Adams Museum site? I thought his memorial board message to
Bill was quite moving and eloquently expressed their life long
friendship. One can only imagine what these two saw together in the
time period in which they lived.

Charlie Utter
Adams Museum Deadwood
http://adamsmuseumandhouse.org/answers/ccutter.html

--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, dragonbane4@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/27/2004 11:10:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> desperados1876@y... writes:
> What I disliked
>
> Charlie Utter seemed too resolved in hearing the confirmation of
Bill's death
> by Seth. Being Bill's best friend, I would have hoped the effect
of the news
> to have been a little more emotional.
> Well... from what Charlie said, he'd heard it for the first
time... what,
> three days ago?  I think that by the time Seth told him, he'd have
made his peace
> with it, especially in light of Bill telling him in Episode 4
(Here Was A
> Man) to fuck off, because Bill was going to hell in his own way
and basically
> tired of being alive.
>
> For a man like Bill, I figured that was the next best thing to a
suicide
> note, and Charlie had to know that too, seeing as how he's Bill's
best friend and
> all.  I think it was news he was expecting, and by the time he got
to Seth,
> and wold have gotten back to Deadwood, his mourning would have
been over and
> done with.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Kel
>
> "If irritating me is the jackpot, you got the job done."--Wild
Bill Hickok,
> "Deadwood"

What I liked about this episode:

At the close of the town meeting to secure a vaccine, Al Swearegen
states after after witnessing the Reverend's seizure

"Hey reverend, you could`a just said amen".

A somewhat sober Jane returns to camp. In the street in front of Doc
Cochran's cabin she has an ongoing conversation with herself as
others ignore her ramblings. Encountering a passerby

"I believe I would cut down on gettn' told how butt f*ckn'ly I was
by not staring at f*ckin' strangers".

Doc Cochran asks for Jane's help

"You can do your drinking off work like I do".

Trixie is stronger than I imagined by confiding in Alma what
Swearegen is up to.

Sol seems smitten with Trixie.

Alma has decided she will not be taken advantage of.

Charlie Utter comes across an injured Seth on the trail back to
camp. Charlie attends to Seth's wounds, while commenting what the
markings on the Indian pony mean.

Seth prevails to bury the dead Indian before leaving to find Bill's
killer

Charlie Utter "You're do'n him no favor. His way to heaven, is above
ground and lookn' west"

Seth "Let's do that then".

It was a nice effect to see Charlie go back and reposition the
Indian's leg upon the scaffold after spending so much effort in
trying to convince Seth to not do it at all.

Al Swearegen and Dan Dority discuss all the events that transpired
that day as printed in the latest edition of the Pioneer. Dan's only
comment was

"I don't see why he don't have news of the baseball".

A hook to a future episode

Doc Cochran asks Reverend Smith what led up to his seizure

"I noticed a particular smell in the air, as if something was
burning".

What I disliked

Charlie Utter seemed too resolved in hearing the confirmation of
Bill's death by Seth. Being Bill's best friend, I would have hoped
the effect of the news to have been a little more emotional.

Things I liked about this episode:

The banter with the Preacher and Seth in choosing the right sermon.
Seth's annoyance and distraction with Bill's killer.

Jane coming upon Andy in the woods and trying to make conversation
with him

The hymn as sung by the mourners at Bill's funeral

Jane coming back with water, recounting hearing the music and laying
Bill to rest, staying with Andy through the night while humming the
hymn from the funeral

Seth, Sol, and Preacher - Seth asking the Preacher if they could
just walk back in QUIET!

Seth's encounter with Jack McCall in the meat locker. The expression
on the Chinese man's face as he entered.
Curious if this will be a hook for a future episode.

Al Swearegen telling McCall to "Run for your f*cking life"

Priceless this episode:

Seth and Sol, conversation regarding the Preacher's comments
regarding "PARTS"! I loved it.

Best ending, Sol reminding Seth about his suspenders dangling while
Seth prepares to hunt down Jack McCall. Seth commenting to Sol that
he hopes his part doesn't get hanged.

The ending music of this particular episode was so appropriate. I
hope they continue to play something that is relative to each
episode as they wrap it up.

I loved the episode.

That was a great article. Thanks

Square head was slang term for Dutch or Swede.

--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kohrberg@y...> wrote:
> what does squarehead mean?

what does squarehead mean?

You are so right, Tim.   No life in this group that I can see.   Need
someone/something to revive us.

--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, "tim_tt2" <tim_tt2@y...> wrote:
> "dead" is a good word for this group!

Yes, pretty much so. HBO has a pretty active board if you haven't
found that one

Rex

--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, "tim_tt2" <tim_tt2@y...> wrote:
> "dead" is a good word for this group!

"dead" is a good word for this group!

Deadwood is such a great show, I'm surprised there aren't more
members here.  I'm liking Calamity Jane more and more each week.   I
wonder if Wild Bill draws aces and eights in the next episode.  Sure
hate to lose him.  With Brom Garret knocked off, I'm wondering what
his laudanum-addicted widow will do with her inherited mine......me
thinks she got a strike.

Here's my favorite line from Episode 1:
"I'm descended from all those c*******ers!"

My least favorite:
"Don't forget to kill Tim.

Yikes! - Tim

Hi gang, I just joined...what a great show huh?

As for Wild Bill and Mc Call...I believe Mc Call is already on the
show: there's a guy who has been talking bad about Bill in card games
and fits the description of the real McCall, dirty blond hair, sleepy
eye and sensual mouth, plus Bill didn't kill McCall's brother, his
true motive was over an insult during a card game. It was cool how
they had a another guy gunning for revenge over his brother, perhaps
leading some viewers to think this was the guy who shot Bill.  I'm
not sure what a 'sensual mouth' is, but Gillian Anderson of the X-
Files sure has one! lol

Anyway, thanks for starting this Group, and Al Swearingen is my
favorite character on the show (and as a kid I always liked Wild Bill
Hickock).

Tim

PS And how about that Molly Parker? Woo HOO!

Hello All;

    I guess you heard that HBO has renewed "Deadwood" for a second
season. Shooting will begin in July of this year.

    Meanwhile... Since the original pilot episode of "Deadwood", I
have re-submitted my film resume, and picture for future
consideration. I hope to get a "call back"... wish me luck!

    Thanks for you support for the show ;)

Ed Moch

PS; In real life... I am a direct distant cousin to James
Butler "Wild Bill" Hickok, and other related Deadwood Kin, No Joke?

I found this a great article just a few minutes ago and thought I
would share with you

http://www.deadwoodmagazine.com/sethbullock.htm

Good information/background

Our friend Seth got around

Rex

It'll be interesting so see how HBO handles this. Jack McCall (the
little wormy bastard in the show) murdered Wild Bill Hickok on August
2, 1876 in Deadwood, South Dakota.

I hate to see Wild Bill go, Keith Carradine nails the part. But the
timeline started on the show has me worried. Although the second show
picked up the next day, not days or weeks later.


Rex

I hear Wild Bill gets knocked off in episode four.  Don't recall that
his deadman's hand was in Deadwood though.



--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, "pinusconus" <pinusconus@y...>
wrote:
> Only one message so far?   Great characters, acting and scenes.
> Deadwood looks like fascinating historical fiction.  Can't wait for
> episode 2
>
>
> --- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Harty"
<hartykevin@y...>
> wrote:
> > As a western fan I am really looking forward to this new HBO
series.
> > So far I'm pleased with the first epsiode. I like the way the
> sherrif
> > helped the man to hang. I like the language they are using. I
think
> > Keith Carridine really nailed Wild Bill's character.The costumes
are
> > great. If they can keep down on the drama and up on the action
I'll
> be
> > thrilled.

Only one message so far?   Great characters, acting and scenes.
Deadwood looks like fascinating historical fiction.  Can't wait for
episode 2


--- In HBO_Deadwood@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Harty" <hartykevin@y...>
wrote:
> As a western fan I am really looking forward to this new HBO series.
> So far I'm pleased with the first epsiode. I like the way the
sherrif
> helped the man to hang. I like the language they are using. I think
> Keith Carridine really nailed Wild Bill's character.The costumes are
> great. If they can keep down on the drama and up on the action I'll
be
> thrilled.

As a western fan I am really looking forward to this new HBO series.
So far I'm pleased with the first epsiode. I like the way the sherrif
helped the man to hang. I like the language they are using. I think
Keith Carridine really nailed Wild Bill's character.The costumes are
great. If they can keep down on the drama and up on the action I'll be
thrilled.