--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, "andrewjbrook" <andrew_brook@...>
wrote:
>
> Or you follow "Final Frontier" and make DiT a dream
>
> AJB
>


I love how somebody had the urge to write that sequence.  Very illuminating.

--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Gray <bouncelot@...> wrote:
>

> > Looks like "Search Out Science" proves that "Lungbarrow" is non-canonical,
> > eh?
>
> Nah. It means that Dimensions in Time, Search Out Science, etc. happens before
> Ace's mind-wipes in Loving the Alien and Timewyrm: Genesis...
>
> Stephen
>

Or you follow "Final Frontier" and make DiT a dream

AJB

On Monday 28 September 2009 23:05:23 MichaelG wrote:
> --- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, Geoffrey Hamell <ghamell@...>
wrote:
> >      The Seventh Doctor appears with both K9 Mark I and Mark II in
> > "Lungbarrow", but they are on Gallifrey, not traveling with him. This is
> > also clearly Ace's first encounter with either, as she is amazed and
> > delighted by their nose-laser destructive abilities. (Romana and Leela
> > ask "Didn't you get one?")
>
> "'Who are your pets?' said Dorothée."
>
> Thanks.
> Looks like "Search Out Science" proves that "Lungbarrow" is non-canonical,
> eh?

Nah. It means that Dimensions in Time, Search Out Science, etc. happens before
Ace's mind-wipes in Loving the Alien and Timewyrm: Genesis...

Stephen

--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, Geoffrey Hamell <ghamell@...> wrote:

>      The Seventh Doctor appears with both K9 Mark I and Mark II in
"Lungbarrow", but they are on Gallifrey, not traveling with him. This is also
clearly Ace's first encounter with either, as she is amazed and delighted by
their nose-laser destructive abilities. (Romana and Leela ask "Didn't you get
one?")
>


"'Who are your pets?' said Dorothée."

Thanks.
Looks like "Search Out Science" proves that "Lungbarrow" is non-canonical, eh?

--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, "MichaelG" <sigasahab@...> wrote:
>
> Not to me -- It might be a humorous comic or anything!
>


Or a mock-up publiction given to him by a friend as a joke/present.
Ace's physique, on the other hand, doesn't seem quite right but I don't remember
ever seeing her in a bathing suit.

I think I'm right in saying that all the creatures coming out of the sea were
missing from the Rani's collection in DiT, so that might be significant...

--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Brook" <andrew_brook@...>
wrote:
>
> The Doctor is reading the "Gallifrey Grauniad", which suggests that this
> picture is out-of-continuity.
>
> AJB
>

Not to me -- It might be a humorous comic or anything!

The Doctor is reading the “Gallifrey Grauniad”, which suggests that this picture is out-of-continuity.

AJB

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--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, Dan Tessier
<sir.tessieroftessiershire@...> wrote:
>
> And while I think of it... you've lnked the Vogons and the Vogans because of
> their similar names. There was another race of Vogans in the old 3rd Doctor
> comic strips (Countdown comic I think). So that's potentially three
> inhabited planets of the Vogstar system. Vogstar World A, B and C perhaps.
>

http://www.drwhoguide.com/tvaction3.htm

who are perhaps the same as *these* wicked Vogans:

http://www.drwhoguide.com/whona22p.htm

AJB

>Re: Dangerously contentious chronology!!!
Posted by: "Dan Tessier" sir.tessieroftessiershire@...   faction_klade

Tue Aug 4, 2009 3:23 am (PDT)


>I enjoyed that!

Thank you

>It works about as well as such a thing has any right to.

Now *that's* high praise!


>
>Now add Starship Titanic, Mostly Harmless and The Salmon of Doubt!

The former works so long as you assume that the reason there are different
names in the third Hitchhiker novel is down to language. But for the rest,
it all kind of falls apart.... "Mostly Harmless" could go into a parallel
realm, and have Fenchurch remain in 'normal' continuity, but if like me you
were fortunate enough to read the first chunk of "And Another Thing" this
new novel's not really going to work in any "established" universe. Nor can
I work out why Ford Prefect is appearing in "The Salmon of Doubt" (it
doesn't work in the books to have, as the Dirk Maggs radio series has
implied, the Dirk Gently novels taking place prior to the destruction of the
Earth by the Vogans)

Cheers!

AJB

I notice that this forum has gone a bit quiet, and on the basis that the best
way to spark up the internet is to say something utterly contentious, I'm going
to take my very life in my hands and post selected excerpts from a joint "Doctor
Who" / "Hitchhikers" timeline I have been privately perpetrating for a number of
years. At the very least, people might be interested in some of the occasions
where Douglas Adams used the same ideas in both series:


13,500,017,893 BC

Event One, the creation of the universe (Transit), and possibly a fast-food
venture in the form of the Big Bang Burger Bar (The Restaurant at the End of the
Universe). Survivors from the previous universe arrive in this reality a
split-second after the Big Bang, and find that they are possessed of incredible
powers. The Cthulhu Cult Deities are amongst these entities (All-Consuming Fire.
Mostly Harmless also mentions the creation of `gods' at this stage in history).

c 3500 Million Years Ago

Rassilon leads the Gallifreyans as they become Lords of Time (dated in Christmas
on a Rational Planet).
   Up until this point, Gallifrey was ruled by a line of prophetesses, the
Pythias (Cat's Crade: Time's Crucible), but Rassilion and his followers expelled
Cacophony from Gallifrey and from the universe, imposing rationality and
more-or-less ending all magics (Christmas on a Rational Planet). Nevertheless, a
folk belief warns "that if all the magic of the universe became science and
everything about everything was understood then all the science and technology
of the universe would fail" (Rassilon, Omega and that Other guy, which indicates
that the belief is somewhat older).
   This is a wisdom that Prak will later recount to Arthur Dent: "the Question
and the Answer [of Life, the Universe and Everything] are mutually exclusive.
Knowledge of one logically precludes knowledge of the other. [.....I]f it
happened, it seems that the Question and the Answer would just cancel each other
out and take the Universe with them" (Life, the Universe and Everything).

? 2000 Million Years Ago

The Vogons evolve on the planet Vogsphere, which orbits the star Vogsol. This is
much to the sorrow of everything else that has the misfortune to evolve there
(The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, they evolved `billions' of years ago).


10 Million Years Ago

The Magratheans reconstruct the planet Earth, under Deep Thought's instructions,
into an organic system wherein intelligent primate life can evolve (speculation,
but the statement in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy that the Magretheans
built the Earth cannot be supported from other sources: the Earth is much older
than ten million years). The output for the Question will be in the form of the
brain-waves of the planet's intelligent population (assumed from The Restaurant
at the End of the Universe).

c 1,999,519 BC

The Krikkit Wars begin (they last a thousand years according to Doctor Who and
the Krikkitmen; Life, the Universe and Everything doubles this period). They
will be commemorated in the English game of Cricket (Life, the Universe and
Everything).

1,998,029 BC

The population of the planet Golgafrincham rid themselves of a useless third of
their population by sending them on a journey through space to colonize a new
planet (in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, the B Ark's journey takes
`five years').
   It is possible, although almost certainly not the case, that the Golgafrinchan
B Ark receives visitors at various stages of its journey: on one occasion, it is
said that the Doctor encountered the B Ark; on another, Ringo Starr (Ringo Starr
visited an alternative version of the B Ark in an incoherent sequence of Our
Show for Ringo Starr aka Goodnight Vienna, an unproduced script by Graham
Chapman and Douglas Adams. It is published in OJRIL: The Completely Incomplete
Graham Chapman, edited by Jim Yoakum, which states that the B Ark sequence had
originally been developed by Douglas Adams for Doctor Who).

1,998,022 BC

Most of the Golgafrinchans on Earth die in a particularly harsh winter (Life,
the Universe and Everything). The survivors are presumed to be, in part at
least, the ancestors of modern humanity (The Restaurant at the End of the
Universe indicates that the aliens do not have red blood and that the native
prehistoric humans have begun to die out since the B Ark's arrival, Ford Prefect
therefore assuming that the Golgrafrinchans are the ancestors of modern man; in
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Arthur Dent and his species are
consistently described as having descended from apes).

c 1,998,019 BC

Judiciary Pag, head of the Galactic War Crimes Tribunal, sentences the
population of the planet Krikkit to spend the rest of the universe's lifespan
within a Slo-Time envelope (Life, the Universe and Everything, although the date
is taken from Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen instead; the novel states the war
ended 10 billion years ago, which sounds to me a trifle too far back. That the
end of the war should be about the same time as Arthur and Ford's departure to
1981, where they first face the Krikkit robots, seems tidy). It is decided that
the Krikkit War-Robots should be destroyed; however, a Time Lord investigation
finds that they are in fact sentient androids, and so instead banish them to
Deep Time, a secured area of the Vortex (Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen). A few
of the robots escape, and as a result of their interference, the Wikkit
Gate—which forms the key to the Slo-Time envelope—is disintegrated into
space/time (Life, the Universe and Everything).

?

Intelligent life evolves on a second planet in the Vog system, assuming the
Vogons count as `intelligent': the Vogans, on the planet Voga. Gold is very
common here (The Vogans appear in Revenge of the Cybermen. That their homeworld
is close to that of the similarly-named Vogons is a matter of speculation,
although I doubt that that will make the Vogans feel any happier at the idea).

c 100,000 BC

The first splinter of Scaroth is possessed by the Salaxan Ghost, and they share
their memories and experiences (as it will later do on a conscious level with
Michael Wenton-Weakes in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency). Scaroth takes
on a measure of the Ghost's feelings of guilt and becomes convinced that the
destruction of the Jagaroth and subsequent creation of life on Earth was his
fault (speculation). Scaroth decides that the only way to make amends is to
speed up the development of human civilisation to the point where time travel is
possible, so that whichever of his other selves is present at the invention can
travel back in time and avert the detonation of the warp drive. Scaroth's
earliest splinter makes a start in his schemes by giving the secret of fire to
mankind (City of Death).
   Meanwhile, the Ghost finds itself unable to `possess' any specimens of
humanity (speculation).


?

The Vogons develop space-travel and quickly migrate to Megabrantis, where they
become the backbone of the Imperial Galactic Civil Service (The Hitchhiker's
Guide to the Galaxy). During this period, the Vogons fight a brief but
destructive war with their neighbours, which results in Voga being knocked out
of its orbit (speculation).

? 481

The fourth Doctor and Sarah Jane Smith arrive on Bethselamin to save a portion
of the Wicket Gate. The natives are worshipping it as a religious icon and are
unwilling to surrender it to him, but when the Krikkit robots attack the people
join forces with the Doctor in order to defend their home. During the battle,
the Doctor finds himself aboard the Krikkit robots' travelling pavilion and
discovers that the robots are just that—robots, not sentient androids—when he
knocks one of the controls and accidentally switches them off. His companion
agrees to take the robots to Gallifrey in the pavilion to be destroyed, but she
has been taken over by an alien influence and instead materialises the cricket
pavilion inside the TARDIS, which the Doctor is taking to Deep Time to collect
the rest of the army. As a result, all the Krikkit robots are freed (Doctor Who
and the Krikkitmen. Date is speculative—arbitarily dated to 1500 years before
1981 on the grounds that the planet seems to be a more primitive society than
what I would imagine the contemporary Bethselamin of The Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy is). According to Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen, the portion of the
Wicket Gate on the planet is the Silver Bail, and the Krikkit robots keep
possession of it. My judgement is that the Bethselamins would have worshipped
the Perspex Pillar, and that thanks to the Doctor it remained on their planet
until it was taken from them in an interstellar war (speculation). The Perspex
Pillar ends up on Argabuthon as a Sceptre of Justice (Life, the Universe and
Everything).

?

Queen Xanxia of Zanak impoverishes her planet with centuries of interstellar war
(The Pirate Planet). The Time Lords intervene on Zanak for some reason, and
install a device to remove aggression from the populace, which they disguise as
a statue. However, one of the Time Lords becomes trapped inside the statue and
absorbs all the stored negativity. He directs Zanak's mining machinery to hollow
out the planet so that he can dematerialise the entire world and rematerialise
around Gallifrey described in Douglas Adams's original storyline for The Pirate
Planet). His intended attack on his homeworld are thwarted, although it is not
clear how far advanced his plans were. It may or may not be the case that the
Captain was already present on Zanak (see below).


?

A company develops a procedure to stave off death by slowing down time, and uses
their technology to wring vast sums of money from their clientele (described in
Douglas Adams's original storyline for The Pirate Planet). Their customers
include the Imperial Galactic Government and the Crown of the planet Zanak
(speculation).
   The last Emperor of the Galaxy is placed in stasis at the point of death, much
to his imperial displeasure. As time passes, all his heirs die one by one till
none are left, and power comes to be seen to be invested in a President
appointed by an elected assembly (in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the
Emperor has been frozen for `centuries').
    The aged Queen Xanxia of Zanak is frozen in time mere moments before her body
finally expired. Her mind, however, is left free to roam, so to speak (The
Pirate Planet).
   Eventually the time-slowing corporation goes bankrupt, and Xanxia is left in
need of a vast source of power to keep her life going (described in Douglas
Adams's original storyline for The Pirate Planet).

?

A starship crash-lands on the impoverished world of Zanak. Queen Xanxia finds
amongst the survivors a man known only as the Captain, now a pirate but once one
of history's greatest hyper-engineers. She conceives a plan to turn a youthful,
projected body into a solid and immortal being by feeding it the energies from
planets, through the means of converting the hollow world of Xanxia into a giant
TARDIS that can materialise around other planets and so mine them to oblivion
(The Pirate Planet).
   It is possible that the Captain restarted the renegade Time Lord's earlier
operations, or simply copied his idea. It should be noted that Zanak should only
be able to launch attacks on planets in the appropriate `Goldilocks' zone of
solar systems; however, it is known that it destroyed populated worlds which
should already have been in that zone, but if Zanak surrounded them its dayside
would have been too hot and its nightside too cold. This suggests to me that
Zanak is not literally hollow but instead has its surface applied to a vast
tract of hyperspace, much like a TARDIS's exterior maps to its interior, or more
significantly, much like Magrathea maps to its shop floor (all speculation, of
course).

c 1733

The criminal Time Lord Salyavin (a childhood hero of the Doctor's, ostensibly
confined to the Time Lord prison planet Shada years before the Doctor's time but
still within living memory on Gallifrey) retires to Earth with his TARDIS and a
few mementoes (including a copy of The Worshipful and Ancient Law of Gallifrey,
purloined for safekeeping) in the guise of one Urban Chronotis (Shada. It is
stated that Chronotis has been there for about 300 years; in Dirk Gently's
Holistic Detective Agency, which reveals the Professor's first name, he says it
has been about 200 years. I took a rough average based on the dates of his
meetings with the Doctor in 1979 and Dirk in 1987).

1850

St. Chad's Church in Birmingham is named a cathedral by the Pope, becoming the
first Roman Catholic cathedral in England since the Reformation (fact). Somebody
will remark that the location of the cathedral just goes to show how dull St.
Chad and his brothers were, a remark quoted (speculation) by both the Doctor
(Shada) and Dirk Gently (Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency).

c 1878

Bantriginus V is destroyed by Zanak (about 100 years before The Pirate Planet).
The planet is associated with other worlds including Santriginus V (perhaps they
are in the same system, or were discovered by the same person), but confusingly
the `identifier' that denotes each separate world is the first letter of their
names rather than their last, as is more usual such as in the case of the stars
Sirius A and Sirius B (speculation, but the similarity of names between the
world referenced in The Pirate Planet and the planet mentioned in The
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has been recognised and therefore needs some
sort of explanation).

?

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is launched. Ford Prefect was an early
employee of the Guide, although he never became part of the management (Mostly
Harmless).
   The book will go onto rival the Encyclopaedia Galactica (The Hitchhiker's
Guide to the Galaxy), a publication which the Doctor may be involved with
(Wikipedia mentions that a viewer pointed out to Graham Williams that life on
Earth evolved ten times as long ago as City of Death claimed. Mr Williams's
response was apparently: "The good Doctor makes the odd mistake or two - but I
think an error of 3,600 million years is pushing it! His next edition of the
Encyclopaedia Galactica will provide an erratum." However, a date of 4 billion
years ago would not be linked to the Gallifreyan era. Wikipedia also notes here
that the Encyclopaedia Galactica is mentioned in other SF contexts, and that it
originated in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, which are set many thousands of
years in the future).
   The young Ford Prefect is also an early contemporary of Hotblack Desiato,
whose music career will stretch into the past as well as the future (The
Restaurant at the End of the Universe).

20th century

On the exact same date as Elizabeth Shaw is born, Earth drifts (speculation, but
Liz-leaves-UNIT stories is an entire sub-genre of Doctor Who fiction) into a
plural zone This causes Earth to be discontinuous along the probability curve,
which means in practice that the Earths of many universes are accessible by
space travellers (Mostly Harmless).

1981 (Saturday 28 February) – A significant portion of the universe is destroyed
(Logopolis), presumably clearing out a load of alien races that don't really fit
the future as described in Doctor Who. Bit of a Crisis, this, although like
usual, the Americans are a couple of years late....


1981 (March)

Zaphod Beeblebrox makes a brief visit to Earth, and attends a fancy-dress party
in Islingon where he meets both Arthur Dent and Tricia McMillan. He persuades
Tricia to come away into space with him, allowing her to take her white mice
with them (six months before The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy). Possibly his
motivation in visiting was to ensure that the Reagan was no longer a danger to
the galaxy? Or maybe he was just trying to escape the events of Logopolis….
That's politicians for you.

198A (Sept, Fri.)

or is the next day?

Zaphod and Trillian, having escaped Disaster Area's stuntship, re-materialise
aboard the Heart of Gold (The Restaurant at the End of the Universe) after their
particles have been dissipated for two million years (speculation). They go with
Zarniwoop to meet the Man in the Shack but abandon him on the latter's world
(The Restaurant at the End of the Universe). Zaphod becomes so listless after
finding himself at the end of his lifelong unwilling quest that over the next
few weeks he drives Trillian to distraction, and she randomly teleports herself
away again. Subsequently, Arthur, Ford, Marvin, Zaphod, Trillian and
Slartibartfast all find themselves engaged in defeating the plans of the
Krikkitmen. The supercomputer known as Hactar is atomised for giving the
Krikkitment the supernova bomb (Life, the Universe and Everything).
   Meanwhile, the Doctor and his companion are captured on arrival on Krikkit,
and any influence they have on the defeat of their plans is not chronicled in
the published account of Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen. However, it would appear
that the Doctor does encounter Arthur Dent, apparently whilst the latter is
still clad in his dressing-gown (i.e. cannot be much later than Life, the
Universe and Everything. It is in The Christmas Invasion that the tenth Doctor
implies that, during one of his earlier incarnations, he has met Arthur).

c 198B

Slartibartfast leaves Magrathea to retire, and joins the Campaign for Real Time.
Undertaking some research, he discovers that the various components of the
Wikkit Gate have re-emerged into the universe, and travels back to 1981 to get
the first of them (Life the Universe and Everything). The unwanted Earth Mark II
is given a cheap finish, renamed `Riverworld', and sold off at cost
(speculation).


198B (Thursday 3rd September)

The dolphins restore firstly the Earth, then Arthur Dent's house. Stories of
their own disappearance (So Long and Thanks for All the Fish) are, however, very
much exaggerated.
   Very few people appear to have commented on the Earth's temporary
non-existence. Probably this is because that its peanuts compared to the
Logopolis disaster.


1981 (Thursday 3rd September)

The rest of 1981 ensues (assumed from So Long and Thanks for All the Fish).


(I shall now go and take cover)

Re: Test
Posted by: "William Swift" willbswift@...   willbswift
Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:42 pm (PDT)



>Could you provide a link?

>-Marnal Gate


>>To: DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com
>>From: andrew_brook@...
>>Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:26:03 +0000
>>Subject: [DoctorWhoContinuity] Test

>>Just a test. But if we're short on conversation, somebody has posted a
>>"film" of gameplay of "Destiny of the Doctors" on youtube. That was....
>>interesting. Not sure I know what the hell the Master was doing, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JacEV1x9kM4&feature=channel_page is the first
half of the first episode.

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Just a test. But if we're short on conversation, somebody has posted a "film" of
gameplay of "Destiny of the Doctors" on youtube. That was.... interesting. Not
sure I know what the hell the Master was doing, though.

Re: The Time Meddler

Posted by: "William Swift" willbswift@...   willbswift

Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:42 am (PDT)

<snip>


>The Doctor loses a lot of his memories in Craig Hinton’s Borderlines story with Lady Peinforte (that probably takes place during > “Time and Relative”).

Dammit, the more I hear about this story, the more I wish it’d been in the anthology….

AJB

> Hi all.

Howdy!

> I just have two questions about The Time Meddler.

> 

> Firstly, the Monk has a Mark IV TARDIS.

Actually I tend to assume he has a Mark IV Control Consol.  That’s what they are looking at when they have the conversation. 

> Has it been definitely confirmed anywhere

> that this means he has a Type 40 Mark IV…

In “Divided Loyalties” the Monk is quite interested in Type 35s but that was before he left Gallifrey. 

> …while the Doctor might have a Type 40

> Mark I, II or III (it appears the Doctor's TARDIS is lower than a Mark III).

In “Terror of the Autons” the Doctor says the Master’s Mark II Dematerialization Circuity won’t work in his TARDIS Console because it’s a Mark I. 

> The TARDIS Index File (Doctor Who Wiki) says that the Doctor has a Mark I, but I

> don't think that was actually stated in the story (but I could be wrong).

See above.

IMHO Mark numbers refer to the current upgrade level of the TARDIS console.  While the Type number refers to the actual model of TARDIS.  So its possible for a TARDIS’s Mark number to change as its console is upgraded over the years but the Type number will always remain the same.  Sort of a hardware vs. software issue.

> Secondly, we know from Divided Loyalties that the Doctor and Mortimus knew each

> other at the Academy, yes? I've read that in The Time Meddler they don't know each

> other prior to the events of the story. I just watched the story over the last two nights

> and I didn't actually see anything which would indicate they hadn't met before. The

> Doctor at one point realises that the Monk is a "time meddler", but that doesn't

> necessarily imply that he didn't already know the Monk was a Time Lord.

IIRC the Doctor specualates that Monk is “from 50 years earlier” which could mean that he left Gallifrey 50 years before the Doctor. 

> Besides, isn't

> the First Doctor supposed to be somewhat amnesiac? What's the story with that,

> anyway?

The Doctor loses a lot of his memories in Craig Hinton’s Borderlines story with Lady Peinforte (that probably takes place during “Time and Relative”).

-  Marnal Gate

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--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, Dan Tessier
<sir.tessieroftessiershire@...> wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure this is the first time it's been used - any reviews
> I've read have mentioned it and wondered where it came from. Already
> seems to be catching on as the title within online guides, though.
>
> Dan
>


It's a pretty clunky title - makes it sound as if something has happened that
didn't happen with previous regenerations.

I'm pretty sure this is the first time it's been used - any reviews
I've read have mentioned it and wondered where it came from. Already
seems to be catching on as the title within online guides, though.

Dan

On 6/13/09, Simon Simmons <simon.simmons@...> wrote:
> This title for the first Children in Need mini-episode (the one with
> Tennant and Piper in the TARDIS) suddenly appeared in a recent BBC
> episode guide (Companions and Allies). Has it been mentioned elsewhere?
> (Aside from Andrew's Eyespider web site!)
>
> Simon
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

This title for the first Children in Need mini-episode (the one with
Tennant and Piper in the TARDIS) suddenly appeared in a recent BBC
episode guide (Companions and Allies). Has it been mentioned elsewhere?
(Aside from Andrew's Eyespider web site!)

Simon

I meant that it appears the Doctor's TARDIS is lower than a Mark IV. And I
should have put a question mark after that bracket. Silly me...

--- In DoctorWhoContinuity@yahoogroups.com, "codenamecuckoo"
<codenamecuckoo@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all. I just have two questions about The Time Meddler.
>
> Firstly, the Monk has a Mark IV TARDIS. Has it been definitely confirmed
anywhere that this means he has a Type 40 Mark IV, while the Doctor might have a
Type 40 Mark I, II or III (it appears the Doctor's TARDIS is lower than a Mark
III). The TARDIS Index File (Doctor Who Wiki) says that the Doctor has a Mark I,
but I don't think that was actually stated in the story (but I could be wrong).
>
> Secondly, we know from Divided Loyalties that the Doctor and Mortimus knew
each other at the Academy, yes? I've read that in The Time Meddler they don't
know each other prior to the events of the story. I just watched the story over
the last two nights and I didn't actually see anything which would indicate they
hadn't met before. The Doctor at one point realises that the Monk is a "time
meddler", but that doesn't necessarily imply that he didn't already know the
Monk was a Time Lord. Besides, isn't the First Doctor supposed to be somewhat
amnesiac? What's the story with that, anyway?
>
> Thanks.
>

Hi all. I just have two questions about The Time Meddler.

Firstly, the Monk has a Mark IV TARDIS. Has it been definitely confirmed
anywhere that this means he has a Type 40 Mark IV, while the Doctor might have a
Type 40 Mark I, II or III (it appears the Doctor's TARDIS is lower than a Mark
III). The TARDIS Index File (Doctor Who Wiki) says that the Doctor has a Mark I,
but I don't think that was actually stated in the story (but I could be wrong).

Secondly, we know from Divided Loyalties that the Doctor and Mortimus knew each
other at the Academy, yes? I've read that in The Time Meddler they don't know
each other prior to the events of the story. I just watched the story over the
last two nights and I didn't actually see anything which would indicate they
hadn't met before. The Doctor at one point realises that the Monk is a "time
meddler", but that doesn't necessarily imply that he didn't already know the
Monk was a Time Lord. Besides, isn't the First Doctor supposed to be somewhat
amnesiac? What's the story with that, anyway?

Thanks.

> > It's left ambiguous. Nobody else appears to leave the TARDIS on Foreman's

> > world. We see the Doctor restoring Kode into Fitz, but don't see him leave

> > with New Fitz and Compassion. There is a Lawrence Miles story in one of the

> > charity anthologies which claims that Fitz and Compassion were aboard the

> > TARDIS on Foreman's World, but that's unlicensed, so can be ignored with

> > ease.

> 

> Do you happen to know the name of the story? It's just that if it's "Toy Story", then it

> may have more validity, as I read it was included in the "Dead Romance" reprint.

It was “Toy Story.”

-  Brian “The Storyteller” Swift

"I was told by the producer that the
guiding principle was to make the
scripts complex enough to keep the
Kids interested and simple enough for
 the Adults to understand!" 
-Douglas Adams on writing Doctor Who
 
For Everything about the TARDIS check out

http://www.whoniverse.net/tardis/

 
For all things Gallifreyan check out
http://meshyfish.com/~roo/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/willbswift/

> > William Swift <willbswift@...> wrote:

> > My Timeline is as follows…

> > TV Movie

> > 8 Doctors

> > Stacy and Ssard stories

> > Vampire Science through Seeing Eye

> > Shada

> > Placebo Effect through Ancestor Cell (though the last occurs in his relative future)

> > The Burning through the Gallifrey Chronicles

> > Infinity Doctors

> > Storm Warning though…whatever they are up to now.

> > Then the Time War begins.

> From: codenamecuckoo@...

> About placing the Eighth Doctor audios after "The Gallifrey Chronicles", does that

> require a Gallifrey "reset" (e.g. the reconstructed Gallifrey after "TGC" has Romana II

> instead of Romana III)?

Well there are 9 Gallifreys, so 9 potential resets. 

> Your site seems to indicate that that's not what you're saying. Are you're saying that the

> Gallifrey of BF's "Shada", the Gallifrey audios, et al., is the Gallifrey which is in sync

> with the Doctor, while the Gallifrey of "The Ancestor Cell" et al. is Gallifrey in the

> relative future? So when the Doctor visits the Gallifrey of Romana III, he's out of sync?

It is confusing.  Basically the Doctor is running into Gallifrey all out of sync.  The above Timeline is how the stories go from the Doctor’s POV. 

From Gallifrey’s POV the timeline is as follows…

Blood Harvest

Goth Opera

Master

The Also People

Shakedown

Romana becomes President of Gallifrey

Happy Endings

Christmas on a Rational Planet

House Paradox becomes Faction Paradox

Valediction

Lungbarrow

The TV Movie

Shada

The Master is resurrected by the Time Lords

I.M. Foreman creates a Universe-in-a-Bottle and the Time Lords try to buy it.

Romana has 8 clones of Gallifrey created.

Etra Prime vanishes taking Romana with it.

Sirens of Time

After escaping from the Ancestor Cell the Master warns Gallifrey about the coming War

The Apocalypse Element

The Hand of Omega finally returns to Romana’s Gallifrey reporting the destruction of Skaro.  The Time Lords conclude that the Daleks will never be a threat.

Neverland

Zagreus

Gallifrey Audios Seasons 1-3

Romana travels to one of the other Gallifrey’s and assumes the Presidency

Gallifrey Chronicles

The Doctor brings the remains of the true Matrix to Gallifrey VIII

Infinity Doctors

The Master becomes President of Gallifrey VIII

Dead Romance

Where Angels Fear

Twilight of the Gods

Blood of the Daleks?? (haven’t listened to it yet)

Storming of Avalon

The Banquo Legacy

The Battle of Dronid / The Ancestor Cell

The Time War continues…

The one glitch with this is that Romana and Leela meet for the first time on two occations.  But if Gary cant even get a simple thing like that straight then I feel justified in ignoring the second introduction.

>  If that's the case, then isn't it possible that the Grandfather Paradox in "The Ancestor

> Cell" is the Doctor who is in sync with Gallifrey at that time?

“The Gallifrey Chronicles” explicitly states that the Grandfather Doctor is 292 years older then the 8^th Doctor.  Which would put him from a point significantly after the Time War begins (which is also supported by both texts).

-  Marnal Gate

"I was told by the producer that the
guiding principle was to make the
scripts complex enough to keep the
Kids interested and simple enough for
 the Adults to understand!" 
-Douglas Adams on writing Doctor Who
 
For Everything about the TARDIS check out

http://www.whoniverse.net/tardis/

 
For all things Gallifreyan check out
http://meshyfish.com/~roo/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/willbswift/

> It's left ambiguous. Nobody else appears to leave the TARDIS on Foreman's
> world. We see the Doctor restoring Kode into Fitz, but don't see him leave
> with New Fitz and Compassion. There is a Lawrence Miles story in one of the
> charity anthologies which claims that Fitz and Compassion were aboard the
> TARDIS on Foreman's World, but that's unlicensed, so can be ignored with
> ease.

Do you happen to know the name of the story? It's just that if it's "Toy Story",
then it may have more validity, as I read it was included in the "Dead Romance"
reprint.