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#854 From: "Angeli" <angeli36@...>
Date: Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:08 pm
Subject: Rumor Update and bla bla bla
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I suppose everyone has heard by now that Kelly Monaco was not actually offered a
role on Desperate Housewives, though exec producer Mark Cherry said he hadn't
considered it nor ruled it out.  He was being polite when he was initially
interviewed.
As for Ms. Monaco, she has a beautiful pictorial in September's issue of Maxim.

More news - this according to Aug 28-Sept 3 issue of TV Guide:

John O'Hurley: Dancing With The Stars - Why We Loved Him.  Not only was his
dancing sublime, his goofy facial contortions and jokey rehearsal commentary
made
Dancing more like a comedy than just another reality show. He can even kid about
all
those fans (including us) who think he was robbed.  "My middle name is 'You
Should
Have Won'."  What he's doing now - making the most of his newfound fame. "I'm
negotiating to go back to Broadway, and (dance partner ) Charlotte might come
with
me," he says.   Also in the works: movies a talk show, a reality show and the
release
of his instrumental CD, 'Peace of Our Minds', which he describes as "my greatest
joy."

In the same issue, readers wrote in:

Why is everyone beating up on Kelly Monaco?  Her improvement on DWTS was
unbelievable.  She grew magnificently and deserved her win.  You could tell John
O'Hurley was having fun, but he certainly wasn't a great dancer. - Heather
Sandarr,
West Palm Beach, FL.

I voted for Kelly Monaco because of her perserverance.  She tried some very
challenging moves in her final dance, while John O'Hurley took a safer approach.
-
Tom Jenckes, Walnut Creek, Calif.

I continue to be amazed by the polarization.  IMO they were both wonderful.
Thoughts on this from all sides are most welcome.  Just remember to be kind ;o)

#855 From: christine zak <chrstn_zak@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2005 3:58 pm
Subject: Dance Off
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I think John O'Hurley is a sore loser.  He is a pompous, stuffed shirt.  I didn't like the way he danced.  He looked like a puppet master pulling strings.  I never liked him on the Seinfeld show either.  I didn't think he was funny.  He should get a decent job, preferably shoveling coal.
 
 


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#856 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: Dance Off
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Wow you are a pretty rude and bitter woman. get a life!

christine zak <chrstn_zak@...> wrote:
I think John O'Hurley is a sore loser.  He is a pompous, stuffed shirt.  I didn't like the way he danced.  He looked like a puppet master pulling strings.  I never liked him on the Seinfeld show either.  I didn't think he was funny.  He should get a decent job, preferably shoveling coal.
 
 


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#857 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: Dance Off
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Just one other thing. Do you not realize it wasn't John O'Hurley who called for a rematch, it was his FANS who felt the wrongly lost to a POOR dancer such as Kelly.
I'm not trying to start crap on here, I'm done with that but your email is just childish and rude
Jordanna


christine zak <chrstn_zak@...> wrote:
I think John O'Hurley is a sore loser.  He is a pompous, stuffed shirt.  I didn't like the way he danced.  He looked like a puppet master pulling strings.  I never liked him on the Seinfeld show either.  I didn't think he was funny.  He should get a decent job, preferably shoveling coal.
 
 


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#858 From: Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 4:48 pm
Subject: New poll for Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show group:

This is your group!  Please help your moderators make this the most fun
and effective forum before the new season begins!  If you pass up your
chance to vote in this poll, please then, no complaints from you about
over or under moderation. The majority will rule!  Refrain from
moderator bashing, as we have no control over how many pro-Kelly,
pro-John posts there will be.  Instead, tell us what you would have us
do:

   o Remove posts that attack other posters (their characters not their ideas) or
contestants about anything other than actual dance performances, accepting all
rebuttals.
   o As we do now, remove posts that attack other posters (their characters not
their ideas) or contestants but allow debate on dance performance as well as
on-topic 'Dance Off' and rigging factor speculation, accepting all rebuttals.
   o Allow any and all non-vulgar criticism of contestants with criticism of
other posters restricted to their ideas not their characters and be willing to
accept all rebuttals.
   o Allow any and all criticism of contestants and ideas (not the character) of
other posters and be willing to accept all rebuttals.
   o Remove only posts that members notify moderators about, complaining that a
post is offensive.
   o Other (please state in seperate post)


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show/surveys?id=1776504

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

#859 From: "bradamant" <bradamant@...>
Date: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:11 am
Subject: Re: New poll for Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show
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In my humble opinion, the best way to handle things is to ignore the
trolls. This recent Troll is a troll and nothing but a Troll. There
is not a single other post by this Troll in the hundreds of posts
that have been on the list. Trolls go away if one doesn't want to
play.
Censorship is a tricky path that works great if one wants to agonize
over just which posts to censor, deal with the fallout and
accusations, and end up talking to oneself.
Everyone, I exhort you: just ignore the trolls! We all, including the
Trolls, know that what they say is ridiculous.
--Kerry



--- In Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com,
Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show group:
>
> This is your group!  Please help your moderators make this the most
fun
> and effective forum before the new season begins!  If you pass up
your
> chance to vote in this poll, please then, no complaints from you
about
> over or under moderation. The majority will rule!  Refrain from
> moderator bashing, as we have no control over how many pro-Kelly,
> pro-John posts there will be.  Instead, tell us what you would have
us
> do:
>
>   o Remove posts that attack other posters (their characters not
their ideas) or contestants about anything other than actual dance
performances, accepting all rebuttals.
>   o As we do now, remove posts that attack other posters (their
characters not their ideas) or contestants but allow debate on dance
performance as well as on-topic 'Dance Off' and rigging factor
speculation, accepting all rebuttals.
>   o Allow any and all non-vulgar criticism of contestants with
criticism of other posters restricted to their ideas not their
characters and be willing to accept all rebuttals.
>   o Allow any and all criticism of contestants and ideas (not the
character) of other posters and be willing to accept all rebuttals.
>   o Remove only posts that members notify moderators about,
complaining that a post is offensive.
>   o Other (please state in seperate post)
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show/surveys?
id=1776504
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!

#860 From: tennfitzgerald1@...
Date: Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:58 am
Subject: NY Times article (today) on dancing, includes DWTS discussion
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This has some interesting things to say about Ms. Monaco.

#861 From: angeli36@...
Date: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:51 am
Subject: Re: Re: New poll for Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show
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Bradamant,


     Thank you for your comment.  I just want you to know
that the poster in question is a new member and has
joined the group only yesterday.  We get notified
immediately when there is a new subscriber.  That's why
you have not seen other messages by this poster.  New
posters are also unaware of what guidelines we follow.

     People do comment when they see posts they don't
like, and that's the reason I want group members to decide
for themselves how much censorship there should be.  It's
better than people complaining that messages should or
shoud not be removed.
In my humble opinion, the best way to handle things is to ignore the
trolls. This recent Troll is a troll and nothing but a Troll. There
is not a single other post by this Troll in the hundreds of posts
that have been on the list. Trolls go away if one doesn't want to
play.
Censorship is a tricky path that works great if one wants to agonize
over just which posts to censor, deal with the fallout and
accusations, and end up talking to oneself.
Everyone, I exhort you: just ignore the trolls! We all, including the
Trolls, know that what they say is ridiculous.
--Kerry



--- In Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com,
Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show group:
>
> This is your group!  Please help your moderators make this the most
fun
> and effective forum before the new season begins!  If you pass up
your
> chance to vote in this poll, please then, no complaints from you
about
> over or under moderation. The majority will rule!  Refrain from
> moderator bashing, as we have no control over how many pro-Kelly,
> pro-John posts there will be.  Instead, tell us what you would have
us
> do:
>
>   o Remove posts that attack other posters (their characters not
their ideas) or contestants about anything other than actual dance
performances, accepting all rebuttals.
>   o As we do now, remove posts that attack other posters (their
characters not their ideas) or contestants but allow debate on dance
performance as well as on-topic 'Dance Off' and rigging factor
speculation, accepting all rebuttals.
>   o Allow any and all non-vulgar criticism of contestants with
criticism of other posters restricted to their ideas not their
characters and be willing to accept all rebuttals.
>   o Allow any and all criticism of contestants and ideas (not the
character) of other posters and be willing to accept all rebuttals.
>   o Remove only posts that members notify moderators about,
complaining that a post is offensive.
>   o Other (please state in seperate post)
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show/surveys?
id=1776504
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!




#862 From: "garnet1679" <garnet1679@...>
Date: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: NY Times article (today) on dancing, includes DWTS discussion
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--- In Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com,
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> _http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/arts/dance/09kour.html_
> (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/arts/dance/09kour.html)
>
> This has some interesting things to say about Ms.  Monaco.


       Wow...I am really disappointed in the NY Times.  Obviously
someone who knows very little about dance wrote the article.  To put
down the choreographers and dancers of Fox's show completely
exemplifies this persons stupidity and naivete on the subject of
dance.  Anyone who has been in the dance world for any amount of time
would know that both NY and LA are huge arenas for dancers to strive
towards.  This person would also have found, if any effort other than
opinion was applied in this article, that these choreographers have
worked extensively in NY...I have taken many classes from several
there.  As far as the critique on DWTS, very sad that the only thing
they could come up with about poor Ms. Monaco was that she "really
tried".  I don't think anyone is doubting her effort or that she
worked hard and that she was a good sport, but the show was supposed
to be about the technique to, and I am sorry but she never had any.
Of course I also point out that the moron who wrote the article also
feels as if no technique is involved in a Lyrical number...can he/she
please give me a triple in second ending in an arabesque...I didn't
think so.  This writer should take a dance class or two before he/she
ever attempts to critique dancers again in their life.---From a
dancer/choreographer

#863 From: angeli36@...
Date: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: NY Times article (today) on dancing, includes DWTS discussion
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Can  either of you cut and paste that article if it's not too
much trouble?  That link won't work for me.   If you want,
you can send it to me directly at angeli36@....
Thanks a lot!
--- In Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com,
tennfitzgerald1@a... wrote:
> _http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/arts/dance/09kour.html_
> (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/arts/dance/09kour.html)

> This has some interesting things to say about Ms.  Monaco.


      Wow...I am really disappointed in the NY Times.  Obviously
someone who knows very little about dance wrote the article.  To put
down the choreographers and dancers of Fox's show completely
exemplifies this persons stupidity and naivete on the subject of
dance.  Anyone who has been in the dance world for any amount of time
would know that both NY and LA are huge arenas for dancers to strive
towards.  This person would also have found, if any effort other than
opinion was applied in this article, that these choreographers have
worked extensively in NY...I have taken many classes from several
there.  As far as the critique on DWTS, very sad that the only thing
they could come up with about poor Ms. Monaco was that she "really
tried".  I don't think anyone is doubting her effort or that she
worked hard and that she was a good sport, but the show was supposed
to be about the technique to, and I am sorry but she never had any. 
Of course I also point out that the moron who wrote the article also
feels as if no technique is involved in a Lyrical number...can he/she
please give me a triple in second ending in an arabesque...I didn't
think so.  This writer should take a dance class or two before he/she
ever attempts to critique dancers again in their life.---From a
dancer/choreographer








#864 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: NY Times article (today) on dancing, includes DWTS discussion
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Dance, a Last Resort, Rises on Reality TV

Published: September 9, 2005

This is how far dance has sunk in the American public's estimation: By the time reality television executives got around to adding a dance competition to the mix of talent show-inspired programming, the market was already saturated with hopeful singers, models, starlets and fashion designers. But sometimes the last resort rises above everything that has come before it.

Skip to next paragraph
Adam Larkey/ABC

John O'Hurley and Charlotte Jorgensen on "Dancing With the Stars."

Fox

A contestant at a casting call in New York for "So You Think You Can Dance."

Martha Graham was telling the truth in her oft-quoted remark about the inherent simplicity of body language: "Movement never lies." The success of ABC's excellent ballroom program, "Dancing With the Stars," and Fox's "So You Think You Can Dance," an inferior show that is nonetheless captivating for its car-wreck appeal, proves a great deal about the potency of dance. In the end, that's more revealing than whether Kelly Monaco danced better than John O'Hurley in the final episode of "Stars."

(In any case, they both delivered sloppy, nerve-addled performances. Redemption comes on Sept. 20, at 8:30 p.m., when ABC is to broadcast a 90-minute dance-off between them. The winner will be announced on Sept. 22.)

Dancing isn't just about unearthing some inner, mysterious passion: dancing is hard. It serves as a magnifying glass, and no amount of slick talk or charm can hide the truth about your personality. The awkward sight of Evander Holyfield, a contestant on "Stars," performing with his eyes partly shut and his arms snaking forward in a half-hearted attempt at a swim stroke, was real life: most of us have a grim memory of watching a groom battle his way through the first dance at a wedding reception.

But along with Mr. Holyfield, the male celebrities on "Stars" - including Joey McIntyre and Mr. O'Hurley - approached dance with a disarming innocence. Even at their worst (Mr. McIntyre's paso doble, set to "Eye of the Tiger," and Mr. O'Hurley's freestyle finale to "I'm So Excited"), they exuded an enthralling fearlessness. They didn't care about embarrassing themselves, and that's part of what being a decent dancer is all about.

The women, however, painted a different picture. Trista Sutter, once a Miami Heat dancer, was unbearably self-conscious, full of excuses and lacking real grace. Her resistance to dancing an erotic rumba with her partner, Louis van Amstel, was rooted in lame trepidation; she said she thought it would be like cheating on her husband (the firefighter Ryan Sutter, whom she snagged in "The Bachelorette").

It was hard to begrudge Rachel Hunter her flicker of a smile when Ms. Sutter was voted off the program. But as a dancer, Ms. Hunter had problems of her own. Her legs may go on forever, but she lacks strength. Less alluring were her perceptible vanity and laziness, manifested in nearly every step of her under-rehearsed performances. She rarely relaxed long enough to allow her partner to lead; as badly as she wanted to win (and brother, did she), Ms. Hunter, as gorgeous as a Vegas showgirl, couldn't manipulate what mattered most: her voluptuous body.

The now famous Ms. Monaco, a soap-opera actress, transformed herself from a klutz into a focused, poised dancer whose emotional resilience was legible in the rehearsal studio and onstage. During the final show, Bruno Tonioli, a judge, proclaimed: "Cinderella, welcome to the ball. You are the shining example of how, with determination, positive attitude and hard work, you can have results."

Ms. Monaco, the show's underdog, is not a brilliant dancer, but she uses her innate assets - flexibility and an unforced sexiness - to great power, eventually managing to partially overcome her initial discomfort with movement. Ms. Monaco's performances were never flawless, but like the mythical Billy Elliot, she never gave up. Despite that boldness, she doesn't fake it; what's charming about her dancing is that she always remains slightly vulnerable. Even though we're watching on television, it feels alive.

In "So You Think You Can Dance," aptitude isn't nearly as important as attitude. Everyone on the show, from the dancers to the choreographers, is frantic to cultivate some. The prize for "Stars" is a trophy; on "So You Think You Can Dance," it is an apartment in New York for one year and $100,000.

But if New York is the place where all good dancers end up, why, after aspirants are selected from auditions in major American cities, does the show take place in Los Angeles? And why are the show's choreographers based in Los Angeles? Two of them, Dan Karaty and Brian Friedman, are film and music-video directors who specialize here in hip-hop; Mia Michaels does the lyrical dance; Mary Murphy is in charge of ballroom; and Alex Da Silva oversees salsa. They are described as being "five of the best choreographers in the world." Fox could have tried harder.

If the dancers, hugely uneven in terms of motivation and talent, are confused about what it takes to become a dancer, it is not really their fault. After all, they just think they're dancers, and there doesn't seem to be anyone on the show qualified to tell them otherwise. Clearly, the most worthwhile prize would have been a scholarship to the Juilliard School.

But it's unlikely that Nigel Lythgoe, the show's chief producer, would have gone for such a serious award. During the audition process in New York, he passed on a talented Juilliard student for a performance that wasn't "masculine" enough. This is perplexing, as Mr. Lythgoe seems to melt into a puddle whenever he is faced with lyrical dance, an expressive if ambiguously defined blend of jazz and ballet that stresses outstretched arms, spotlights and writhing.

After two finalists, Blake and Destini, performed a number like this on a recent episode, Mr. Lythgoe, judging the performance, announced, "In technique, you made my night - that was superb." Unfortunately for Mr. Lythgoe, the most concrete element about lyrical dance is that there are hardly any steps. Not to be picky, but that makes judging technique pretty near impossible.

What made "Stars" so captivating was how the dancing overshadowed everything else about the show. In "So You Think," dance is treated as an excuse to put pretty young things on display. Even more baffling, however, is the manner in which the choreographer-judges consistently refer to how adept the contestants are in "getting choreography." It's as if they believe that choreography is a style of dance instead of the art of designing one.

It wouldn't be surprising if David LaChapelle, the photographer who directed "Rize" - a film about krumping in South Central Los Angeles - was invited to participate as a celebrity judge in a future episode. Mr. LaChapelle's film focuses on the aggressive, rapid dance style created in reaction to the 1992 Rodney King riots, but its slick style - interviews stretched thin, quick cuts, odd angles and the tendency to treat each scene like a fashion shoot - turns the subject into something almost as superficial as "So You Think You Can Dance."

It would have been far more rewarding if Spike Jonze had tackled the same material. Mr. Jonze, who has directed a number of superb music videos, possesses a startling imagination.

In "Torrance Rises," a hilarious 34-minute mock-documentary, Mr. Jonze stars as Richard Koufey, an earnest choreographer whose Torrance Community Dance Group is on its way to perform with the British D.J. Fatboy Slim at the MTV Video Music Awards. Both "Praise You," the award-winning standalone video, and "Torrance Rises" are available on the Directors Label's DVD "The Work of Director Spike Jonze: A Collection of Music Videos, Short Films, Documentaries and Rarities."

As strange as it may sound, "Torrance Rises" (1999) is one of the finest dance films to emerge in recent years. Mr. Jonze is somehow tender in his depiction of the ridiculous Koufey. Even though it exists in a precarious place between fact and fiction, it is timeless in how it effectively cracks open a window to reveal the real soul of dance, where tantrums and joy abound, and where seemingly lousy choreography, with the right theatrical touch, has the potential to become beautiful.

It would be brilliant if "So You Think You Can Dance" turned out to be a deliberate farce. But Hollywood isn't that smart.

 

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#865 From: "Angeli" <angeli36@...>
Date: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:01 pm
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Thanks so much, Jordanna.  You're a doll.

Lovely photo of John O there, too.

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> This is how far dance has sunk in the American public's estimation: By the
time
reality television executives got around to adding a dance competition to the
mix of
talent show-inspired programming, the market was already saturated with hopeful
singers, models, starlets and fashion designers. But sometimes the last resort
rises
above everything that has come before it.
> Skip to next paragraph  Adam Larkey/ABC
>
> John O'Hurley and Charlotte Jorgensen on "Dancing With the Stars."
>
>  Forum: Television
>
>
>
>  Fox
>
> A contestant at a casting call in New York for "So You Think You Can Dance."
>
>
>
>
> Martha Graham was telling the truth in her oft-quoted remark about the
inherent
simplicity of body language: "Movement never lies." The success of ABC's
excellent
ballroom program, "Dancing With the Stars," and Fox's "So You Think You Can
Dance,"
an inferior show that is nonetheless captivating for its car-wreck appeal,
proves a
great deal about the potency of dance. In the end, that's more revealing than
whether
Kelly Monaco danced better than John O'Hurley in the final episode of "Stars."
>
> (In any case, they both delivered sloppy, nerve-addled performances.
Redemption
comes on Sept. 20, at 8:30 p.m., when ABC is to broadcast a 90-minute dance-off
between them. The winner will be announced on Sept. 22.)
>
> Dancing isn't just about unearthing some inner, mysterious passion: dancing is
hard. It serves as a magnifying glass, and no amount of slick talk or charm can
hide
the truth about your personality. The awkward sight of Evander Holyfield, a
contestant on "Stars," performing with his eyes partly shut and his arms snaking
forward in a half-hearted attempt at a swim stroke, was real life: most of us
have a
grim memory of watching a groom battle his way through the first dance at a
wedding reception.
>
> But along with Mr. Holyfield, the male celebrities on "Stars" - including Joey
McIntyre and Mr. O'Hurley - approached dance with a disarming innocence. Even at
their worst (Mr. McIntyre's paso doble, set to "Eye of the Tiger," and Mr.
O'Hurley's
freestyle finale to "I'm So Excited"), they exuded an enthralling fearlessness.
They
didn't care about embarrassing themselves, and that's part of what being a
decent
dancer is all about.
>
> The women, however, painted a different picture. Trista Sutter, once a Miami
Heat
dancer, was unbearably self-conscious, full of excuses and lacking real grace.
Her
resistance to dancing an erotic rumba with her partner, Louis van Amstel, was
rooted
in lame trepidation; she said she thought it would be like cheating on her
husband
(the firefighter Ryan Sutter, whom she snagged in "The Bachelorette").
>
> It was hard to begrudge Rachel Hunter her flicker of a smile when Ms. Sutter
was
voted off the program. But as a dancer, Ms. Hunter had problems of her own. Her
legs
may go on forever, but she lacks strength. Less alluring were her perceptible
vanity
and laziness, manifested in nearly every step of her under-rehearsed
performances.
She rarely relaxed long enough to allow her partner to lead; as badly as she
wanted to
win (and brother, did she), Ms. Hunter, as gorgeous as a Vegas showgirl,
couldn't
manipulate what mattered most: her voluptuous body.
>
> The now famous Ms. Monaco, a soap-opera actress, transformed herself from a
klutz into a focused, poised dancer whose emotional resilience was legible in
the
rehearsal studio and onstage. During the final show, Bruno Tonioli, a judge,
proclaimed: "Cinderella, welcome to the ball. You are the shining example of
how,
with determination, positive attitude and hard work, you can have results."
>
> Ms. Monaco, the show's underdog, is not a brilliant dancer, but she uses her
innate
assets - flexibility and an unforced sexiness - to great power, eventually
managing to
partially overcome her initial discomfort with movement. Ms. Monaco's
performances
were never flawless, but like the mythical Billy Elliot, she never gave up.
Despite that
boldness, she doesn't fake it; what's charming about her dancing is that she
always
remains slightly vulnerable. Even though we're watching on television, it feels
alive.
>
> In "So You Think You Can Dance," aptitude isn't nearly as important as
attitude.
Everyone on the show, from the dancers to the choreographers, is frantic to
cultivate
some. The prize for "Stars" is a trophy; on "So You Think You Can Dance," it is
an
apartment in New York for one year and $100,000.
>
> But if New York is the place where all good dancers end up, why, after
aspirants are
selected from auditions in major American cities, does the show take place in
Los
Angeles? And why are the show's choreographers based in Los Angeles? Two of
them,
Dan Karaty and Brian Friedman, are film and music-video directors who specialize
here in hip-hop; Mia Michaels does the lyrical dance; Mary Murphy is in charge
of
ballroom; and Alex Da Silva oversees salsa. They are described as being "five of
the
best choreographers in the world." Fox could have tried harder.
> Skip to next paragraph  Forum: Television
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If the dancers, hugely uneven in terms of motivation and talent, are confused
about
what it takes to become a dancer, it is not really their fault. After all, they
just think
they're dancers, and there doesn't seem to be anyone on the show qualified to
tell
them otherwise. Clearly, the most worthwhile prize would have been a scholarship
to
the Juilliard School.
>
> But it's unlikely that Nigel Lythgoe, the show's chief producer, would have
gone for
such a serious award. During the audition process in New York, he passed on a
talented Juilliard student for a performance that wasn't "masculine" enough.
This is
perplexing, as Mr. Lythgoe seems to melt into a puddle whenever he is faced with
lyrical dance, an expressive if ambiguously defined blend of jazz and ballet
that
stresses outstretched arms, spotlights and writhing.
>
> After two finalists, Blake and Destini, performed a number like this on a
recent
episode, Mr. Lythgoe, judging the performance, announced, "In technique, you
made
my night - that was superb." Unfortunately for Mr. Lythgoe, the most concrete
element about lyrical dance is that there are hardly any steps. Not to be picky,
but
that makes judging technique pretty near impossible.
>
> What made "Stars" so captivating was how the dancing overshadowed everything
else about the show. In "So You Think," dance is treated as an excuse to put
pretty
young things on display. Even more baffling, however, is the manner in which the
choreographer-judges consistently refer to how adept the contestants are in
"getting
choreography." It's as if they believe that choreography is a style of dance
instead of
the art of designing one.
>
> It wouldn't be surprising if David LaChapelle, the photographer who directed
"Rize"
- a film about krumping in South Central Los Angeles - was invited to
participate as a
celebrity judge in a future episode. Mr. LaChapelle's film focuses on the
aggressive,
rapid dance style created in reaction to the 1992 Rodney King riots, but its
slick style
- interviews stretched thin, quick cuts, odd angles and the tendency to treat
each
scene like a fashion shoot - turns the subject into something almost as
superficial as
"So You Think You Can Dance."
>
> It would have been far more rewarding if Spike Jonze had tackled the same
material. Mr. Jonze, who has directed a number of superb music videos, possesses
a
startling imagination.
>
> In "Torrance Rises," a hilarious 34-minute mock-documentary, Mr. Jonze stars
as
Richard Koufey, an earnest choreographer whose Torrance Community Dance Group
is on its way to perform with the British D.J. Fatboy Slim at the MTV Video
Music
Awards. Both "Praise You," the award-winning standalone video, and "Torrance
Rises"
are available on the Directors Label's DVD "The Work of Director Spike Jonze: A
Collection of Music Videos, Short Films, Documentaries and Rarities."
>
> As strange as it may sound, "Torrance Rises" (1999) is one of the finest dance
films
to emerge in recent years. Mr. Jonze is somehow tender in his depiction of the
ridiculous Koufey. Even though it exists in a precarious place between fact and
fiction, it is timeless in how it effectively cracks open a window to reveal the
real soul
of dance, where tantrums and joy abound, and where seemingly lousy choreography,
with the right theatrical touch, has the potential to become beautiful.
>
> It would be brilliant if "So You Think You Can Dance" turned out to be a
deliberate
farce. But Hollywood isn't that smart.
>
>
>
>
>
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but the show was supposed
to be about the technique to, and I am sorry but she never had any. 
Unfortunately for your position, the judges for DWTS disagreed with your assessment of Ms. Monaco.

#867 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:26 am
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Ah, but fortunately the fans spoke up and said it was not fair she won and so their is a rematch.. :)

tennfitzgerald1@... wrote:
In a message dated 9/10/2005 10:32:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, garnet1679@... writes:
but the show was supposed
to be about the technique to, and I am sorry but she never had any. 
Unfortunately for your position, the judges for DWTS disagreed with your assessment of Ms. Monaco.


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#868 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:29 am
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You're welcome sweetie!!
Jordanna

Angeli <angeli36@...> wrote:

Thanks so much, Jordanna.  You're a doll. 

Lovely photo of John O there, too.

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> By GIA KOURLAS
> Published: September 9, 2005
>
> This is how far dance has sunk in the American public's estimation: By the time
reality television executives got around to adding a dance competition to the mix of
talent show-inspired programming, the market was already saturated with hopeful
singers, models, starlets and fashion designers. But sometimes the last resort rises
above everything that has come before it.
> Skip to next paragraph  Adam Larkey/ABC
>
> John O'Hurley and Charlotte Jorgensen on "Dancing With the Stars."
>
>  Forum: Television
>
>
>
>  Fox
>
> A contestant at a casting call in New York for "So You Think You Can Dance."
>
>
>
>
> Martha Graham was telling the truth in her oft-quoted remark about the inherent
simplicity of body language: "Movement never lies." The success of ABC's excellent
ballroom program, "Dancing With the Stars," and Fox's "So You Think You Can Dance,"
an inferior show that is nonetheless captivating for its car-wreck appeal, proves a
great deal about the potency of dance. In the end, that's more revealing than whether
Kelly Monaco danced better than John O'Hurley in the final episode of "Stars."
>
> (In any case, they both delivered sloppy, nerve-addled performances. Redemption
comes on Sept. 20, at 8:30 p.m., when ABC is to broadcast a 90-minute dance-off
between them. The winner will be announced on Sept. 22.)
>
> Dancing isn't just about unearthing some inner, mysterious passion: dancing is
hard. It serves as a magnifying glass, and no amount of slick talk or charm can hide
the truth about your personality. The awkward sight of Evander Holyfield, a
contestant on "Stars," performing with his eyes partly shut and his arms snaking
forward in a half-hearted attempt at a swim stroke, was real life: most of us have a
grim memory of watching a groom battle his way through the first dance at a
wedding reception.
>
> But along with Mr. Holyfield, the male celebrities on "Stars" - including Joey
McIntyre and Mr. O'Hurley - approached dance with a disarming innocence. Even at
their worst (Mr. McIntyre's paso doble, set to "Eye of the Tiger," and Mr. O'Hurley's
freestyle finale to "I'm So Excited"), they exuded an enthralling fearlessness. They
didn't care about embarrassing themselves, and that's part of what being a decent
dancer is all about.
>
> The women, however, painted a different picture. Trista Sutter, once a Miami Heat
dancer, was unbearably self-conscious, full of excuses and lacking real grace. Her
resistance to dancing an erotic rumba with her partner, Louis van Amstel, was rooted
in lame trepidation; she said she thought it would be like cheating on her husband
(the firefighter Ryan Sutter, whom she snagged in "The Bachelorette").
>
> It was hard to begrudge Rachel Hunter her flicker of a smile when Ms. Sutter was
voted off the program. But as a dancer, Ms. Hunter had problems of her own. Her legs
may go on forever, but she lacks strength. Less alluring were her perceptible vanity
and laziness, manifested in nearly every step of her under-rehearsed performances.
She rarely relaxed long enough to allow her partner to lead; as badly as she wanted to
win (and brother, did she), Ms. Hunter, as gorgeous as a Vegas showgirl, couldn't
manipulate what mattered most: her voluptuous body.
>
> The now famous Ms. Monaco, a soap-opera actress, transformed herself from a
klutz into a focused, poised dancer whose emotional resilience was legible in the
rehearsal studio and onstage. During the final show, Bruno Tonioli, a judge,
proclaimed: "Cinderella, welcome to the ball. You are the shining example of how,
with determination, positive attitude and hard work, you can have results."
>
> Ms. Monaco, the show's underdog, is not a brilliant dancer, but she uses her innate
assets - flexibility and an unforced sexiness - to great power, eventually managing to
partially overcome her initial discomfort with movement. Ms. Monaco's performances
were never flawless, but like the mythical Billy Elliot, she never gave up. Despite that
boldness, she doesn't fake it; what's charming about her dancing is that she always
remains slightly vulnerable. Even though we're watching on television, it feels alive.
>
> In "So You Think You Can Dance," aptitude isn't nearly as important as attitude.
Everyone on the show, from the dancers to the choreographers, is frantic to cultivate
some. The prize for "Stars" is a trophy; on "So You Think You Can Dance," it is an
apartment in New York for one year and $100,000.
>
> But if New York is the place where all good dancers end up, why, after aspirants are
selected from auditions in major American cities, does the show take place in Los
Angeles? And why are the show's choreographers based in Los Angeles? Two of them,
Dan Karaty and Brian Friedman, are film and music-video directors who specialize
here in hip-hop; Mia Michaels does the lyrical dance; Mary Murphy is in charge of
ballroom; and Alex Da Silva oversees salsa. They are described as being "five of the
best choreographers in the world." Fox could have tried harder.
> Skip to next paragraph  Forum: Television
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If the dancers, hugely uneven in terms of motivation and talent, are confused about
what it takes to become a dancer, it is not really their fault. After all, they just think
they're dancers, and there doesn't seem to be anyone on the show qualified to tell
them otherwise. Clearly, the most worthwhile prize would have been a scholarship to
the Juilliard School.
>
> But it's unlikely that Nigel Lythgoe, the show's chief producer, would have gone for
such a serious award. During the audition process in New York, he passed on a
talented Juilliard student for a performance that wasn't "masculine" enough. This is
perplexing, as Mr. Lythgoe seems to melt into a puddle whenever he is faced with
lyrical dance, an expressive if ambiguously defined blend of jazz and ballet that
stresses outstretched arms, spotlights and writhing.
>
> After two finalists, Blake and Destini, performed a number like this on a recent
episode, Mr. Lythgoe, judging the performance, announced, "In technique, you made
my night - that was superb." Unfortunately for Mr. Lythgoe, the most concrete
element about lyrical dance is that there are hardly any steps. Not to be picky, but
that makes judging technique pretty near impossible.
>
> What made "Stars" so captivating was how the dancing overshadowed everything
else about the show. In "So You Think," dance is treated as an excuse to put pretty
young things on display. Even more baffling, however, is the manner in which the
choreographer-judges consistently refer to how adept the contestants are in "getting
choreography." It's as if they believe that choreography is a style of dance instead of
the art of designing one.
>
> It wouldn't be surprising if David LaChapelle, the photographer who directed "Rize"
- a film about krumping in South Central Los Angeles - was invited to participate as a
celebrity judge in a future episode. Mr. LaChapelle's film focuses on the aggressive,
rapid dance style created in reaction to the 1992 Rodney King riots, but its slick style
- interviews stretched thin, quick cuts, odd angles and the tendency to treat each
scene like a fashion shoot - turns the subject into something almost as superficial as
"So You Think You Can Dance."
>
> It would have been far more rewarding if Spike Jonze had tackled the same
material. Mr. Jonze, who has directed a number of superb music videos, possesses a
startling imagination.
>
> In "Torrance Rises," a hilarious 34-minute mock-documentary, Mr. Jonze stars as
Richard Koufey, an earnest choreographer whose Torrance Community Dance Group
is on its way to perform with the British D.J. Fatboy Slim at the MTV Video Music
Awards. Both "Praise You," the award-winning standalone video, and "Torrance Rises"
are available on the Directors Label's DVD "The Work of Director Spike Jonze: A
Collection of Music Videos, Short Films, Documentaries and Rarities."
>
> As strange as it may sound, "Torrance Rises" (1999) is one of the finest dance films
to emerge in recent years. Mr. Jonze is somehow tender in his depiction of the
ridiculous Koufey. Even though it exists in a precarious place between fact and
fiction, it is timeless in how it effectively cracks open a window to reveal the real soul
of dance, where tantrums and joy abound, and where seemingly lousy choreography,
with the right theatrical touch, has the potential to become beautiful.
>
> It would be brilliant if "So You Think You Can Dance" turned out to be a deliberate
farce. But Hollywood isn't that smart.
>
>

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#869 From: tennfitzgerald1@...
Date: Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:43 pm
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In a message dated 9/11/2005 8:27:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mindlessjr@... writes:
Ah, but fortunately the fans spoke up and said it was not fair she won and so their is a rematch.. :)
No, she also apparently won the fan vote. The rematch is strictly for ABC's ratings.

#870 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:55 am
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Nope, sorry. In the articles and news shows it said because so many people wrote and called in complaining of the unfair decision that ABC decided to do a rematch. The rematch will be up to the viewers to vote for the winner not the judges.

tennfitzgerald1@... wrote:
In a message dated 9/11/2005 8:27:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mindlessjr@... writes:
Ah, but fortunately the fans spoke up and said it was not fair she won and so their is a rematch.. :)
No, she also apparently won the fan vote. The rematch is strictly for ABC's ratings.

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#871 From: tennfitzgerald1@...
Date: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:04 am
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In a message dated 9/12/2005 11:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mindlessjr@... writes:
"In the articles and news shows it said because so many people wrote and called in complaining of the unfair decision that ABC decided to do a rematch."
So you believe everything you read in the news media? Good luck. Cite these articles if they really exist. The rematch is clearly ratings driven.
 
"The rematch will be up to the viewers to vote for the winner not the judges."
 
Good, because Kelly won both last time. It's strange you seem happy that the fans will determine the outcome this time. The O'Hurley fans and John himself argued Kelly had an unfair advantage because of her being on General Hospital, a soap opera with supposedly 3 million viewers. So that should favor Kelly again. Never mind that O'Hurley was on Seinfeld, one of the most popular shows in the history of television.
 
Face it, it's all sour grapes. Kelly won fair and square, and John and his fans couldn't live with it. Even if somehow John prevails this time, it won't mean a thing. Kelly won the real competition. Nothing that happens can change that. Ever. Sometimes people just have to live with the reality that's out there, not what they wished had happened.
 

#872 From: "Angeli" <angeli36@...>
Date: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:39 am
Subject: Re: NY Times article (today) on dancing, in...
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Nice to have you guys fighting again :)

This time, I will pay no mind to complaints of bickering.  I know you can't
please
everyone.  And it's better to have a busy board than a quiet board.

For the record, not everyone who posts their opinion on DWTS show or competitors
past and present, be it pro-John, pro-Kelly is a troll.  I don't want anyone to
feel
discouraged about posting.  We have not had what is considered "message board
trolling" on this board.  And it's very simple to moderate that, if it should
happen,
even ban it.

We are working to improve the board.  Everyone is welcome to help us improve it
and
to contribute appropriately.

Thanks.

--- In Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com, tennfitzgerald1@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/12/2005 11:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mindlessjr@y... writes:
>
> "In the  articles and news shows it said because so many people wrote and
> called in  complaining of the unfair decision that ABC decided to do a
rematch."
> So you believe everything you read in the news media? Good luck. Cite these
> articles if they really exist. The rematch is clearly ratings driven.
>
> "The rematch will be up to the viewers to vote for the winner not the
> judges."
>
> Good, because Kelly won both last time. It's strange you seem happy that  the
> fans will determine the outcome this time. The O'Hurley fans and John
> himself argued Kelly had an unfair advantage because of her being on General
> Hospital, a soap opera with supposedly 3 million viewers. So that should favor
> Kelly again. Never mind that O'Hurley was on Seinfeld, one of the most popular
> shows in the history of television.
>
> Face it, it's all sour grapes. Kelly won fair and square, and John and  his
> fans couldn't live with it. Even if somehow John prevails this time, it  won't
> mean a thing. Kelly won the real competition. Nothing that happens can  change
> that. Ever. Sometimes people just have to live with the reality that's  out
> there, not what they wished had happened.

#873 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:09 am
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Honestly, I feel the only person with the sour attitude is you my dear. You are nothing but nasty to anyone who doesn't agree with you and you challenge anyone and have to be right and have the last word.
I don't wish to speak to you anymore, you are a hateful person so I'm blocking your email. I have much, too much better things to do with my time and life then to argue with someone of your kind
Oh and bottom line is Kelly sucks!

tennfitzgerald1@... wrote:
In a message dated 9/12/2005 11:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mindlessjr@... writes:
"In the articles and news shows it said because so many people wrote and called in complaining of the unfair decision that ABC decided to do a rematch."
So you believe everything you read in the news media? Good luck. Cite these articles if they really exist. The rematch is clearly ratings driven.
 
"The rematch will be up to the viewers to vote for the winner not the judges."
 
Good, because Kelly won both last time. It's strange you seem happy that the fans will determine the outcome this time. The O'Hurley fans and John himself argued Kelly had an unfair advantage because of her being on General Hospital, a soap opera with supposedly 3 million viewers. So that should favor Kelly again. Never mind that O'Hurley was on Seinfeld, one of the most popular shows in the history of television.
 
Face it, it's all sour grapes. Kelly won fair and square, and John and his fans couldn't live with it. Even if somehow John prevails this time, it won't mean a thing. Kelly won the real competition. Nothing that happens can change that. Ever. Sometimes people just have to live with the reality that's out there, not what they wished had happened.
 

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#874 From: tennfitzgerald1@...
Date: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:29 pm
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In a message dated 9/13/2005 9:10:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mindlessjr@... writes:
Honestly, I feel the only person with the sour attitude is you my dear. You are nothing but nasty to anyone who doesn't agree with you and you challenge anyone and have to be right and have the last word.
I don't wish to speak to you anymore, you are a hateful person so I'm blocking your email. I have much, too much better things to do with my time and life then to argue with someone of your kind
Oh and bottom line is Kelly sucks!

Well, your last line gives you away, totally, rendering pretty much worthless any other points you might seek to make. This right after you accused me of "having to be right and have the last word." That would be comical if it weren't so sad. 

#875 From: tennfitzgerald1@...
Date: Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:00 am
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In a message dated 9/13/2005 7:41:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, angeli36@... writes:
Nice to have you guys fighting again :)

Thanks, but I don't consider it fighting. I try to discuss these matters with Jordanna but she is apparently not up to the challenge so she has taken her argument and gone home. Too bad.
 
And she left on such a low note. Hard to take her seriously when that is the best she can come up with. I've never felt the need to take out after John O'Hurley, I thought he was a wonderful dancer given his experience level, I loved his stage presence, I loved his ready but seemingly sincere quips, I loved his rapport with Charlotte, I thought he was great. I have been a little disappointed with some things he has reportedly said since DWTS ended and some of his comments on Larry King Live (of course, that wasn't a fair venue, Larry and John are pals from what I've heard, and Larry gave short shrift to Kelly, who after all was the champion). But I feel no need to put down John. I don't know why the Kelly bashers feel the need to put her down, when by all accounts she is a very sweet, sincere person. I enjoyed meeting her, albeit briefly, immensely.
 
I also very much enjoyed watching Joey and Ashly dance, so I don't view the whole DWTS show through the prism of John vs. Kelly. The show was great fun and it's sad to see it dragged down into some of the muck that has accompanied the dance-off.

#876 From: angeli36@...
Date: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:54 am
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I was just kidding about the fighting. I meant debating.

Yes, I, too, enjoyed all of them and the whole show.  For
me it was not a competition or a tournament, simply a
reality TV show -- pure entertainment.  If it were a
competition, like gymnastics or skating, you would have all
professionals competing.  Not by their definition of going
pro, but people who are doing it professionally.
Even on American Idol, they all want to be  pop stars, and
the prize has to do with their goal, i.e., recording contract.

They could, no doubt, make improvements to the show's
format, but it was all in good fun.  I see that Kelly and John
seem to feel that way, too, which is great.
----- Original Message -----
From: tennfitzgerald1@...
Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 0:00 am
Subject: Re: [Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show] Re: NY
Times article (today) on dancing, in...

>
> In a message dated 9/13/2005 7:41:50 AM Eastern
Daylight Time,
> angeli36@... writes:
>
> Nice to  have you guys fighting again :)
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, but I don't consider it fighting. I try to discuss
these
> matters
> with Jordanna but she is apparently not up to the
challenge so she
> has taken her
> argument and gone home. Too bad.
>
> And she left on such a low note. Hard to take her
seriously when
> that is  the
> best she can come up with. I've never felt the need to
take out
> after John
> O'Hurley, I thought he was a wonderful dancer given his
experience
> level, I
> loved his stage presence, I loved his ready but
seemingly sincere
> quips, I loved
> his rapport with Charlotte, I thought he was great. I have
been a
> little
> disappointed with some things he has reportedly said
since DWTS
> ended and some
> of his comments on Larry King Live (of course, that
wasn't a fair
> venue, Larry
> and John are pals from what I've heard, and Larry gave
short
> shrift to
> Kelly,  who after all was the champion). But I feel no
need to put
> down John. I
> don't  know why the Kelly bashers feel the need to put
her down,
> when by all
> accounts  she is a very sweet, sincere person. I
enjoyed meeting
> her, albeit
> briefly,  immensely.
>
> I also very much enjoyed watching Joey and Ashly
dance, so I don't
> view the
> whole DWTS show through the prism of John vs. Kelly.
The show was
> great fun
> and  it's sad to see it dragged down into some of the
muck that has
> accompanied
> the  dance-off.
>

#877 From: J R <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:21 pm
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Responding to the message below yours. I didn't go anywhere honey. I am here just choose not to argue with someone as yourself. I am a professional dancer dear and I know what dancing looks like, and Kelly was NOT doing it anywhere near the word GOOD. Yes, that's my opinion and opinions of others who know technique and are professionally trained. yes, this was a "reality show" and they were not going on to something else as angeli said American Idol. However, the judges were basising it all on technique, performance, and bottom line "who was the best" In their opinion and if they stuck with the first 2 rather than a popularity contest, Kelly would have NEVER won!
Thanks
I'm done
J.

>
> Nice to  have you guys fighting again :)
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, but I don't consider it fighting. I try to discuss
these
> matters 
> with Jordanna but she is apparently not up to the
challenge so she
> has taken her 
> argument and gone home. Too bad.
>
> And she left on such a low note. Hard to take her
seriously when
> that is  the
> best she can come up with. I've never felt the need to
take out
> after John 
> O'Hurley, I thought he was a wonderful dancer given his
experience
> level, I 
> loved his stage presence, I loved his ready but
seemingly sincere
> quips, I loved
> his rapport with Charlotte, I thought he was great. I have
been a
> little 
> disappointed with some things he has reportedly said
since DWTS
> ended and some 
> of his comments on Larry King Live (of course, that
wasn't a fair
> venue, Larry
> and John are pals from what I've heard, and Larry gave
short
> shrift to
> Kelly,  who after all was the champion). But I feel no
need to put
> down John. I
> don't  know why the Kelly bashers feel the need to put
her down,
> when by all
> accounts  she is a very sweet, sincere person. I
enjoyed meeting
> her, albeit
> briefly,  immensely.
>
> I also very much enjoyed watching Joey and Ashly
dance, so I don't
> view the 
> whole DWTS show through the prism of John vs. Kelly.
The show was
> great fun
> and  it's sad to see it dragged down into some of the
muck that has
> accompanied
> the  dance-off.
>


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#878 From: "JR" <mindlessjr@...>
Date: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:43 pm
Subject: So you think you can dance
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The 2 voted off tonight will be on Regis and Kelly tomorrow. I love
this show, it shows semi-professionals and total amatures meshing and
doing it the way it should be done!!
Jordanna

#879 From: "Jennelle" <joeshoney_2001@...>
Date: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:25 pm
Subject: DANCING WITH THE STARS
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Hi peeps. On Sept 18 at 1 PM abc is showing a Dancing with the Stars
Marothon. So if yoiu missed the first time around don't miss out on
this time! All your fave people will be there, including my fave Joey
McIntyre! So don't miss it!!!

                                         Jennelle

#880 From: angeli36@...
Date: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: DANCING WITH THE STARS
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Thank you, Jennelle.  I didn't know that.  I look forward to
watching it again.
Hi peeps. On Sept 18 at 1 PM abc is showing a Dancing with the Stars
Marothon. So if yoiu missed the first time around don't miss out on
this time! All your fave people will be there, including my fave Joey
McIntyre! So don't miss it!!!

                                        Jennelle



#881 From: angeli36@...
Date: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: DANCE-OFF
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Please copy the questions, add your own answers and
paste into a reply:   I started it off with my answers.

1)  Will you be watching the Dance-Off tonight?

       I hope to, plan to.  As long as nothing prevents me
       from doing so, I shall.

2)  Why or Why Not ?

       I was thoroughly entertained by the last season.

3)  Do you think you will see this differently or
      respond to it in a different way?  How so?

      I think I will be able to see it with more awareness
      of what to look for and appreciate.  I think I may
      even vote differently!  I have been learning a lot.

4)  What are you most looking forward to seeing in
      this presentation?

      I heard Kelly would be dancing with John.  That
      will be nice to see, maybe awkward, but fun.
      I also heard there would be various performances
      by other dancers, not 100% sure on that one.
      I think there will be surprises.

5)  What are you not looking forward to?

      I am afraid there will be the same outcome with
      the same reaction.  I don't know how they will
      avoid it, unless they decide to do a tie.  I am
      afraid, too, if John wins fair and square, people
      will view it that Kelly was cheated for having
      to do it again.  Seems like it's going to be hard
      to have a satisfying outcome for everyone,
      but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Additional comments:

I'd like to see John O'Hurley fans watch and vote for their
choice of best dancer.  I would like to see Kelly's fans vote
reasonably and not frantically and because they are
considering the techniques.

That said, this has been fun. I have been asked to host
another forum, so I am not sure I will be sticking around
very long.  We'll see.

Warm regards to all,

ANGELI

#882 From: "Angeli" <angeli36@...>
Date: Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:45 pm
Subject: Your Responses Re: Dance Off
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Thanks to everyone who sent me responses to the dance-off questions.
I am not sure
those people intended to send only to me, but I am the only one who
received them
(and in some cases the group owner).  If you want your responses to
be posted on the
message board and sent to other group members, you have to use this
address:

Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com

If that was not what you intended, please disregard this message.

I won't post anyone's message without their permission, so if you
didn't keep the
responses, don't know how to cut and paste or had some other problem
sending as
you wanted to, please let me know.

Thank you.

#883 From: christine zak <chrstn_zak@...>
Date: Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: Your Responses Re: Dance Off
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The only thing I have to say is that John O'Hurley is a JERK.  What does he want because he can waltz?  A medal?  He must be desperate.  He will probably have to find a real job now.

Angeli <angeli36@...> wrote:
Thanks to everyone who sent me responses to the dance-off questions.
I am not sure
those people intended to send only to me, but I am the only one who
received them
(and in some cases the group owner).  If you want your responses to
be posted on the
message board and sent to other group members, you have to use this
address:

Dancing_With_the_Stars_Show@yahoogroups.com

If that was not what you intended, please disregard this message.

I won't post anyone's message without their permission, so if you
didn't keep the
responses, don't know how to cut and paste or had some other problem
sending as
you wanted to, please let me know.

Thank you.



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