Hi Everyone,
A quick reminder - DAML does NOT discuss third season.  TYK!
Elaine
XXX

A Due South TV Movie with Ray and Benny together again? A wonderful thought.
A Due South TV Movie with Stan in it as well?
only if it was going to be a real horror movie! Sorry, Jenn, but my idea of TV
movie heavan Due South style would be for it to be in a world where Stan never
existed in *their* world.
That shouldn't be too difficult. They seemed to have done it with Ray in the
third season!

But having them [Ray and Benny] sharing a flat would be interesting to say the
least. I would just hope that they made Fraser the character he was in the first
two series, though. Not the stranger he was [at least in the few episodes I've
forced myself to watch] in the third season.

And Jenn, as I'm sure many others will tell you, Ray *doesn't* say 'Benny' in
the pilot, though to many it sounds like he does as they walk up the stars. He
actually says. "Well, it's my bet there ain't a whole lot of high speed chases
in Canada, huh?"  The 'bet there' bit can be deceptive!

In COTW was it actually stated that Ray *married* Stella? I didn't realise
they'd actually got married, I thought it was just that they were *going* to.
But as I've never seen it and never *intend* to see it, I'm probably wrong!

Julie

>A final thought. After watching Paul and David doing an interview once
>where someone said she thought they were the Odd Couple of the police world
>... I have always thought what a very funny idea that would have been if
>they'd had them having to share an apartment for a while for some reason
>.... Who would kill who first, is an interesting poser! :o)
>
>Julie
>


do you think it would be kind of cool if they ever did a due south movie,
they could have ray and fraser move in together? i think it would make the
show a little more funnier and you know what would be even more interesting?
if ray and fraser moved in with standly? okkkk maybe not, that would be too
wierd.... i don't know... what do you think?

also, if they did make a movie and had both ray's in it, would you guys
still want the real ray vecchio to be married to stella? or would you like
him to be single again. i would want him to be single again.

                             jennifer M

Hello All!
I thought I'd just dip my toe in and say a few words.
Ray's hair..... I am in perhaps a different position to those of you who watched
the series in the right order, because the first episode of Due south I ever saw
was actually Flasback! A bit like getting somewhere in the nick of time, I
suppose! :o)
So the 'cropped' look was what I saw first, and it was almost a strange feeling
to see how he looked 'with hair'.  I prefer the second series look all round. I
just thought he looked sooooo *sexy* with the hair,the clothes, everything.
In fact - a question. Is it just me or did he even *walk* differently in second
series?  [*Can* a man walk sexier???!!]
I for one positively drool in the scene where he walks out the court house at
the end of Witness, and it's almost impossible to believe he is the same man
sometimes being made to look rather an idiot in the first series. Though I
bought all the videos to the first and second series within three months of that
first glimpse of Due South in Flashback, and Ray has always been my favourite,
so the first season portrayal of his character didn't put me off, but I am glad
they allowed Ray to blossom in the second series.

A final thought. After watching Paul and David doing an interview once where
someone said she thought they were the Odd Couple of the police world ... I have
always thought what a very funny idea that would have been if they'd had them
having to share an apartment for a while for some reason .... Who would kill who
first, is an interesting poser! :o)

Julie

ok this is not really due south related, but it's about david maricano. did
you all see the movie "the last don part two?" with david in it? i did. i
kind of liked it, but was it me or did david stomach look really weird in
this movie.. it almost looked like their was a pillow underneath his shirt?
what do you think?

also when i was watching it for the first time and they came to a scene
where we see david and i kind of said out loud "ray!" and then i  couldn't
stop smiling. i was soo happy to see him.. and every time i saw him i kept
smiling.. you know that big goofy grin that you can't get rid of , you
usually get it when your over tired, but has that ever happened to you?

                                  jennifer M

>From: p.w.w@...
>Reply-To: DAML@onelist.com
>To: DAML@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [DAML] Digest Number 11
>Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:46:45 +0100
>
>From: p.w.w@...
>
> >There has to be someone on the list who will talk and then not stop,
>speak to me people.
>
>Give me a topic and I'll ramble on for hours! <g>
>
>Sorry, I can't think of a thing.
>
>Take care,
>    Anjali
>DueSer, Leaper
>  DK Knightie
>

i was watching "the pilot" the other day and you know the scene where fraser
and ray are getting ready to get into the elavator but fraser keeps taking
forever cause he keeps letting people get on before him? well right after
that scene and we see ray and fraser going up the stairs, did you notice
that ray called fraser "benny." he says it really softly and you have to
listen closey, but the wierd thing is , about 20 minutes later he askes
fraser "soo what's your first name?" soo i take it that was a goof up they
forgot to cut out of the movie. i thought that was kind of funny and cute.


                                           jennifer M

Hello people,
And tyk to Jen for starting us all talking.  You do all realise that Laura
throws a mean haggis (the food not the person) if she gets upset.
You know it's really odd but when I first started watching DS - the first
half of season one I didn't video first time round - I never noticed Ray was
balding.  Until it was actually pointed out to me in ACAMAAB I never
noticed.  Immediately it was pointed out I couldn't stop noticing.
Now I have to say I like both looks.  The hair as both Jen and Laura say is
a symptom of Ray maturing.  The season one hair is def a fashion statement,
it goes with the bad attitude and the flash clothes for going round his
seedy clubs etc.  I know its only mentioned in The Pilot that Ray hung out
in dives, bad neighbourhoods etc but I kinda get the feeling that poss Welsh
moved him from those areas to more respectable areas.  I mean apart from
those crimes started by Fraser because they are in F's neighbourhood, the
other areas they tend to go to look quite normal.  And of course he didn't
just wear suits in season 2.  I like his first season look and his second
season look. The clothes show his feelings well.  He was still quite mixed
up and unsure of himself in season one.  Or at least fan fic tends to go
that way - thinking of him as being in awe of F, not quite acheiving his
true potential.  I quite like the suffering Ray!  :)  There again I also
like the more serene Ray of 2...
Where was I?  Hair!  He definitely got balder through season one.  I found
his hair cut in North a real shock.  I couldn't watch the action the first
time round because I was staring at his hair.  It looked too 'heavy' like he
was trying to be  hard man.  NOW - and very soon after - I began to love it.
:)  It's also a more up to date look.  It's very late 90's whereas the
slicked look was early 90's.  It goes with the suits and the Armani look -
which slicked hair poss doesn't.  There's a few times where the bald look
doesn't suit him - I always think of the clip from Witness we see in the
opening credits.  he looks - odd.  I dunno what it is but that particular
suit and that hair / face / something don't go. Which I agree is very silly
of me but so what?

>
>also have you ever noticed that threw season one and two and the pilot we
>get to see david maricano and paul gross grow up? yeahh i know their growns
>ups already put, if you think back to the pilot they both looked soooooooo
>yooung,
Yes, Jen.  Though I have to say right here I LIKED the young baby faced
Benny. As the seasons went on he became too knowing.  It's not that I didn't
like him being mature but I missed his nervousness around women, his
shyness, those cute little dimples in the cheeks.  No I'd have to say Paul
looked cuter in season one defintely.  Sorry.    And yeah by RWB he had def
put on quite a few extra pounds.  Bless.  :)  But yeah David looked cuter in 2.

>well let's see here, what else should we talk about? did any of you enjoy
>watching the epsiodes "vault and hawk and handsaw? i loved those two
>epsiodes.. i thought it was kind of funny how fraser locked ray and him
>instead the vault.... and i thought the scene were ray and fraser were
>thrown into that padded room with straightjackets on, ray was sooo funny in.
I would love to know when Ray let Fraser down - as F mentions in Vault.  It
can't be VS and the bullet he is referring to because F actually says in The
Edge when Ray shoots him again ;) that that is the second time Ray has
stopped him (F) form making a mistake.  So what was it???  Possibly the
first time they met???  Or should we all write a story about the reason?
I love Vault because ray seems rather sulky. They resolved their issues in
North (very chummy in that one ;)) yet Ray seems rather put out and grumpy
in Vault.  Usually he grumbl;es but lets F sweep him along.  THIS time he
grumbles and REFUSES  to allow F to sweep him along.  he actually lies down
and ignores him.  F looks as if he hasn't a clue why either.  And of course
the fact that R didn't notice earlier that F was in a funny uniform - to me
it shows he wasn't paying his friend much attention.  So what happened?
Poss smth to do with F not standing up for himself - because when they are
DYING  - or so they think - R uses up thei oxygen, not to complain but to
ensure F stands up for himself.  Even in such circumstances his first
thoughts are to protect F's emotional well being.  Love it.
Hawk.  I love the mother / brother / naked bit and the padded room but the
rest of the ep is a bit slow.  Jen is right about the padded cell though - I
love the fulcrum idea.

>
>anyone have a favorite scene in those epsiodes? i do have to say "that
>mountie did look kind of cute in that white nightgown and his steston on his
>head" but that's a whole other story,
Cute?  he looks adorable. Absolutely adorable.  You just want to take him
home and feed him nourishing soup.
>
>why do you guys all like or loved david maricano and his character on the
>show due south? have any of you ever met david maricano in real life?
An odd question to ask in a David Marciano fan club / list.  He's gentle,
polite, friendly, he bends over backward for the fans.  I love DS for the
friendship between the two characters.  I love the way F is innocent and
sweet and the way Ray protects him.  I love Ray because he pretends to be
tough but actually he does just as much for people as F.  People don't make
a song and dance about him helping but he does.
Yeah some of us met DM at RCW last year.  DA did a panel which I organised
and Ann, Margot, Leona, Ann, Vicky and Ali helped with and sat on. It was
fun - though at the time I was too stressed to realise it.  :)  Also met PG
at the Titan signing - he was friendly and made eye contact but a little
nervous.
BTW your n/l will be with you shortly Jen - if you want back issues -
especially the RCW one - just ask me.
Right I'm shutting up now - note how i didn't write ten pages on how lovely
David was at RCW.  Very restrained of me.
Love
Elaine
PS  Have you all started writing your articles for the next n/l?  ;)

  Okay Laura's new points:

I love the vault although I do find the scenes with frannie a tad much
especially all that pink.
I agree.  It was actually a demeaning ep for her.

>Personally I love the character onthe show becuase he is such a contrast to
fraser that and due south really isnt the same with otu ray.
AMEN.  Also because the whole show is NOT just the Mountie or the cop but
BOTH of them and their friendship.
>
>I have never been so lucky to meet him in real life, the draw backs (one of
many) of living i the most northern part of scotland is that Its kind of
hard to get places and people apart form the queen mum dont generally want
to travel up to wick to meet the yocals.
Never mind honey.  If we ever get Riv con going again (laughs hysterically)
I will insist you come down.  Now then - you wouldn't dare refuse me would you?
>

>There has to be someone on the list who will talk and then not stop, speak to
me people.

Give me a topic and I'll ramble on for hours! <g>

Sorry, I can't think of a thing.

Take care,
    Anjali
DueSer, Leaper
  DK Knightie

Hello everyone,


>| OK. So now we know that DAML members hibernate for a few weeks in June
>:).Thanks Jennifer for waking us all up.

I think I shall have to keep note of that, I thinks its just because it
is such a hectic time, for me any way.
>
>I don't think I paid that much attention to Ray's hair until A Cop A Mountie
>etc. and the intense discussion over coffee at Joan's Place. Maybe they were
>just breaking us in gently that Ray's hairstyle was going to change-- it
>took a while though before he decided on the short crop style.I'm not
>totally sure which one I prefer,though I think the short crop is just
>creeping in front.
>

I know what you mean, I didn't really notice his hair over his shirts,
maybe the change in hair wasn't his decision, could be something to do
with their forgetful hairdresser which David always mentions.

>One of my favourite scenes from Vault is where Ray gets Benny to admit that
>he occasionally feels unappreciated, I just love that little exchange to
>bits.

I actually forgot about that scene, I love the way Ray actually sounds a
little shocked at the end, I am also fond of their conversation about
what Fraser would say in Rays eulogy especially when he brings up about
the one time he let shim down, what time do you guys think about here?
>
>You know I wonder what or who David and Paul will look like when they are
>70.I think Paul may well look something like Gordon Pinsent--lots of unruly
>white hair, a lived in face and crinkly wrinkles when he smiles. David on
>the other hand--his hair (if he's got any left) might be whiter but I don't
>think he'll look a whole lot different,just the same sparkling eyes and cute
>little smile..................
>
I would like to see that, I agree with you about David, I don't think he
will change much, maybe Paul Gross will turn out to be our Sean Connery,
gorgeous no how matter how old he gets, maybe that's just my opinion.
>
>right I'm running late so have to go
>          byeeee
>              Felicity

I should go as well I am trying to make the most of my three day
holidays before I start my summer job and new course work on Monday, and
Elaine if you are out there I will be e-mailing you later.

Love List Ma'am
Laura

--
" Alls well that
   ends with cute ER doctors I
   always say." Buffy. my perfect therory for life.
   Laura Maclean
   Wmac@...
   Bigred139@...
   buffysangel@...
   Tartan Terror (Keeper of the Haggis)

| -----Original Message-----
| From: carol marston [mailto:diefenbaker12@...]
| Sent: 30 June 1999 3:02pm
| To: DAML@onelist.com
| Subject: Re: [DAML] Hello peeps
|


| OK. So now we know that DAML members hibernate for a few weeks in June
:).Thanks Jennifer for waking us all up.

I don't think I paid that much attention to Ray's hair until A Cop A Mountie
etc. and the intense discussion over coffee at Joan's Place. Maybe they were
just breaking us in gently that Ray's hairstyle was going to change-- it
took a while though before he decided on the short crop style.I'm not
totally sure which one I prefer,though I think the short crop is just
creeping in front.

One of my favourite scenes from Vault is where Ray gets Benny to admit that
he occasionally feels unappreciated, I just love that little exchange to
bits.

You know I wonder what or who David and Paul will look like when they are
70.I think Paul may well look something like Gordon Pinsent--lots of unruly
white hair, a lived in face and crinkly wrinkles when he smiles. David on
the other hand--his hair (if he's got any left) might be whiter but I don't
think he'll look a whole lot different,just the same sparkling eyes and cute
little smile..................


right I'm running late so have to go
           byeeee
               Felicity

Hello,
firstly I want to say thank god someone out there is still conscious, thank you
jennifer for all you very interessting and valid points.

ok, i'll be the first person to start talking.
Than you so much for starting us off

umm ok have you ever noticed that threw the "pilot" all the way up to the
"call of the wild" we actually get to see ray go bald... (i think we do)
his hair just seems to be getting shorter in every epsiode, cause i just saw
the pilot and he had like a full head of hair, and then slowly it
disappeared, not that theirs anything wrong with that, i think he looks very
cute almost bald... i know that in call of the wild, or burning down the
house, i think his hair was very short cause he was either doing the movie
"the last don" or getting ready to do it.... i don't know, what do you
think?

I totally agree, personally I think he looks sooo much better with the shorter
look of season two.
I think he looks very distinguished through out going bald, I was never a huge
fan of the really dark htick slicked back hair I liked it as it started to get
shorter.

also have you ever noticed that threw season one and two and the pilot we
get to see david maricano and paul gross grow up? yeahh i know their growns
ups already put, if you think back to the pilot they both looked soooooooo
yooung,

I know I always though that, like in the pilot paul looks so baby faced and
david looked even thinner back then.

like umm as the years past, paul gross seemed to get a little heavier, and
starts looking cuter and a tade older, david maricano, was also looking
older, and he started wearing those suits instead of those wild shirts he
use to always wear, and he was looking much cuter as he got older. do you
agree? i hope you all understand what i'm trying to say.. i'm not good at
explaining this.

I understand totally and couldnt agree more although I do miss the bright shirts
from season one but I do prefer the tailored suits etc.

well let's see here, what else should we talk about? did any of you enjoy
watching the epsiodes "vault and hawk and handsaw? i loved those two
epsiodes.. i thought it was kind of funny how fraser locked ray and him
instead the vault.... and i thought the scene were ray and fraser were
thrown into that padded room with straightjackets on, ray was sooo funny in.

I love the vault although I do find the scenes with frannie a tad much
especially all that pink.
I still love hawk and a handsaw although I think I have seen it way too many
times, actaully on second thought I dont think thats possible.

anyone have a favorite scene in those epsiodes? i do have to say "that
mountie did look kind of cute in that white nightgown and his steston on his
head" but that's a whole other story,

why do you guys all like or loved david maricano and his character on the
show due south? have any of you ever met david maricano in real life?

Personally I love the character onthe show becuase he is such a contrast to
fraser that and due south really isnt the same with otu ray.

I have never been so lucky to meet him in real life, the draw backs (one of
many) of living i the most northern part of scotland is that Its kind of hard to
get places and people apart form the queen mum dont generally want to travel up
to wick to meet the yocals.

well that should be enough questions for now...  take care...and hope to
here from all of you soon.                    jennifer M

Thank you again Jennifer for trying to get this conversation going, now is some
one else would pick where thi sleft off we could get the ball rolling again, I
look forward to hearing from you.

Love Laura
List Ma,am

>From: wmac@...
>Reply-To: DAML@onelist.com
>To: DAML@onelist.com
>Subject: [DAML] Hello peeps
>Date: 29 Jun 1999 17:30:51 -0000
>
>From: wmac@...
>
>Hiya,
>
>ok where is every one, I'm starting to feel lonely here, ok subjects to
>discuss, I'm still waiting to hear from everyoen apart from a few about
>what they really want to know, come people dont be shy.
>Ok come on then I'm out of ideas so what does every one else want to
>discuss, come any ideas, I'm sure Elaine will have some ideas surely the
>rest of you do as well.
>
>There has to be someone on the list who will talk and then not stop, speak
>to me people.
>
>Love Laura
>
>List Ma'am.


ok, i'll be the first person to start talking.

umm ok have you ever noticed that threw the "pilot" all the way up to the
"call of the wild" we actually get to see ray go bald... (i think we do)
his hair just seems to be getting shorter in every epsiode, cause i just saw
the pilot and he had like a full head of hair, and then slowly it
disappeared, not that theirs anything wrong with that, i think he looks very
cute almost bald... i know that in call of the wild, or burning down the
house, i think his hair was very short cause he was either doing the movie
"the last don" or getting ready to do it.... i don't know, what do you
think?

also have you ever noticed that threw season one and two and the pilot we
get to see david maricano and paul gross grow up? yeahh i know their growns
ups already put, if you think back to the pilot they both looked soooooooo
yooung,

like umm as the years past, paul gross seemed to get a little heavier, and
starts looking cuter and a tade older, david maricano, was also looking
older, and he started wearing those suits instead of those wild shirts he
use to always wear, and he was looking much cuter as he got older. do you
agree? i hope you all understand what i'm trying to say.. i'm not good at
explaining this.

well let's see here, what else should we talk about? did any of you enjoy
watching the epsiodes "vault and hawk and handsaw? i loved those two
epsiodes.. i thought it was kind of funny how fraser locked ray and him
instead the vault.... and i thought the scene were ray and fraser were
thrown into that padded room with straightjackets on, ray was sooo funny in.

anyone have a favorite scene in those epsiodes? i do have to say "that
mountie did look kind of cute in that white nightgown and his steston on his
head" but that's a whole other story,

why do you guys all like or loved david maricano and his character on the
show due south? have any of you ever met david maricano in real life?

well that should be enough questions for now...  take care...and hope to
here from all of you soon.                    jennifer M

Hiya,

ok where is every one, I'm starting to feel lonely here, ok subjects to discuss,
I'm still waiting to hear from everyoen apart from a few about what they really
want to know, come people dont be shy.
Ok come on then I'm out of ideas so what does every one else want to discuss,
come any ideas, I'm sure Elaine will have some ideas surely the rest of you do
as well.

There has to be someone on the list who will talk and then not stop, speak to me
people.

Love Laura

List Ma'am.

Hi all,
Hi Martin.  Yeah I like Frasier and Buffy too.  Great shows.  When I visited
my sister I watched ice hockey - it's wonderfully violent.


  un-mountie like :)
>
>Ok Elaine inspired a new idea for a discussion, after a recent phone
conversation where I was quizzed for contribs and ideas :)
Yeah it was more in the nature of an interrogation, wasn't it Laura.  :)
Laura's suggestion got me thinking.  One of the things I like about running
DA (apart from the power) is research.  Julie and I are currently working on
an idea concerning how much screen time Ray and benny have both together and
apart.  Why?  Well because we are sad and because I have a theory that the
buddy0buddy element died off in series two.  That's not to say it wasn't
there but that B and R do not spend as much time together.  And the only way
you can check your theory is to sit through all the tapes and find out.
What else?  I also want to do a fan fic story based on James Block from
Touched.  Had a go but it will be far too long for DA.  May put it in the
next Enough Said though.
I also would love to do some columns written by R and B.  The Gardening one
last issue was VERY popular.  Ms Fraser pontificates on beauty this issue
but I'd love for our boys to discuss other topics.  Ann Manwell sugested B
in a talk show or hosting Changing Rooms!  If anyone has any ideas for R and
B to discuss they'd be very welcome.  :)
Come on folks, what about you,
Elaine

Hi,

proud list Ma'am again, ok everything seems to have gone
  a little quiet so time to start another discussion.

first of all before I lauch anymore discussions I just
want to say thankyou to all of those who have contributed
so far, you have all made very interessting and valid points,
also I am sorry I havent been actually on the list much so far,
stupid college gets in the way and those lurkers out there, come on we dont
bite, its very un-mountie like :)

Ok Elaine inspired a new idea for a discussion, after a recent phone
conversation where I was quizzed for contribs and ideas :) I thought what do you
all want to see in DA, come what have you always wanted to know about DS, be
warned however any ideas you come up with you will more than likely be roped
into writing, isnt that right elaine. Now I know there is bound to be some
niggling little fact that you always wanted to find out about our favourite
show, but please no suggestions like Fraser chest measurements, then again could
be fun to find out :)

Come on lets get the ideas flowing.

Love Laura List Ma'am

Hello everybody, my name's Martin!! My Nickname is Dief....
I first came to this list on the trail of the Due South fans, and for
reasons that do no need exploring at this moment in time, I have remained,
attached to my keyboard for most of the time.

I am 17 years old, been a due south fan since I was 4 years old... *really!*
and my favourite character is no question-ing, The original Ray Vecchio.
At school i study Art, Biology and Business.
I love Ice Hockey - support the Toronto Maple Leafs, and they lost 2 weeks
ago =o( and they are out of the playoffs =o(
TV shows I like are of course DueSouth, Buffy, 'Allo 'Allo, Frasier, Fresh
Prince, have i Got news for you. alllll comedy shows!!!!

Well, better go.
Bye!!!

Martin

Hello Sheryle,
Baps huh?  :)
TYK for your comments on Starman.  Such a turkey that one.
  However, I have to say that I
>actually prefer Ray with a cob on - the moodier the better.  I think his
>moodiness brought the episode from being 'terrible' to just 'poor'.
Yeah?  I don't mind him being grumpy - he's so cute - but just plain
insultingly rude, ick.
>Best bit of the episode...it's gotta be when R and B are in the police
>station talking 'hypothetically'.
Exactly. Brill golden moment that.
What do you think of A Cop, a Mountie people?
>

Hello to you all!

I'm not much of an IT wizard so I hope this works!  I'll quickly
introduce myself - my name's Sheryle but everyone who knows me calls me
Baps (if you've seen me you'll know why)!  I love Due South and ER,
especially DM (of course) and Anthony Edwards (Dr Greene).  I also like
Top Gear's Quentin Willson so, as you can see, I go for the follicly
challenged!!!  My other love is Liverpool F.C. which I have been
supporting all my life - that is a scary 27 years!  I've just been on a
'Dr Greene sat on this seat, Benton ran past this Water Tower' holiday
to Chicago which I promise I'll write up for DA.

As for Starman, I pretty much agree with you.  I watched it yesterday
and feel that it is a very poor episode which seems to be padded out in
order to reach the required episode length.  Any liking that I had for
Ian in MWKTL disappears in this episode.  However, I have to say that I
actually prefer Ray with a cob on - the moodier the better.  I think his
moodiness brought the episode from being 'terrible' to just 'poor'.
Best bit of the episode...it's gotta be when R and B are in the police
station talking 'hypothetically'.

Well that's what I think anyway!
Baps xxx
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elaine Lucas [SMTP:elucas@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 10:31 PM
> To: DAML@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [DAML] Starman
>
> From: Elaine Lucas <elucas@...>
>
> Hi everyone,
> Laura suggested Tarman - sorry spelling mistake - as our first topic.
> Cough, yes well.
> What can I say about Starman?  Re-arrange the following sentence: Is
> rubbish it.
> Seriously this is the most terrible uninspiring trashy episode.  Why?
> Let
> me count the ways.
> Okay, Ray goes around like a sore bear the whole time and I just want
> to
> shout "Oh Grow up you miserable bastard" at him!!!  This is about the
> only
> time in the whole of DS that I actively do NOT like Ray.  And for me
> that is
> pretty strong stuff.
> Benny again is in his Supermountie phase and again is ignoring the
> needs of
> his friend.  He doesn't pay attention to Ray's concerns.
> Ian - I loved MWKTL.  I loved the idea of R and B tracking through
> Canada
> with Ray with only one shoe.  I loved the Riv dying.  Ian was well
> drawn and
> annoying but never TOOO bad. He never turned into active dislike with
> me -
> like Katherine Burns did.  In essence he was a very good character and
> I
> wanted to see him return.  BUT in Starman he's way tooo annoying.
> I don't care about him and Audrey or whatever her name is.  I couldn't
> care
> less about him.
> Yes the IDEA is very clever - alien abduction - but really so badly
> treated.
> Almost like the writers had been TOLD you have to write an X File
> story - go
> do it and came up with this.  There's no truth or sincerity in it.
> Neither
> P nor D give it their all and the whole thing just free wheels.  The
> climax
> is insulting - at the base I mean.  Very formulaic.  No twist.  The
> only
> clever idea was that after all that Ian found Audrey didn't love him.
> There
> is one good piece and that is the camping scene.
> There are a few funny moments - B trying to subtly tell R that Ian
> needs
> their help is classic DS.  Brill.  But the rest is awful.  I expect a
> lot
> from DS and it usually delivers but not this time.  Starman is like a
> very
> bad episode of Bugs or something.  :)
>
> So in conclusion I don't like Starman because Ray is not Ray, the
> story is
> non-existent and it is just not clever humour.
>
> So now please feel free to reply.  That's the whole point of DAML.
> Let's
> see if we can get a good debate going.  It's ok to disagree as long as
> we
> DEBATE not shout at each other.
>
> Another discussion topic for you - ever notice in season 1 that Ray
> refers
> to F as The Mountie. Interesting.  Why does he do this? What is the
> inner
> meaning.  Anyone else think this falls off in season two - again why?
> Anyone want to go and check all instances of it...
> Nice to burble on,
> Elaine
> XXX
>
>
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Hi,
  Yes I'm back sooner than I thought.

Can't imagine North any other way than how it was broadcast. I mean, how
could we not have "My God, Ray, what are the odds?"? or the classic Bolas
scene....Preston mini cons would never be the same again :)

I'm glad they left out the fire spreading to the plane when Benny lights
it-- way too contrived IMO, but more screen time for the dead fathers proved
to be a great asset, especially the end scenes.

The limping,hopping,a dip and a toe loop would have been fun, though I doubt
very much if they could have filmed that without collapsing in an hysterical
heap.

I'm off to watch TBAA again (only recently acquired it) together with my
copy of DA 12

Felicity

| -----Original Message-----
| From: Elaine Lucas [mailto:elucas@...]
| Sent: 30 May 1999 9:39pm
| To: DAML@onelist.com
| Subject: Re: [DAML] Digest Number 4
|
|
| From: Elaine Lucas <elucas@...>
|
| Hello everyone,
| What did you all think of the differences in the scripts as shown in the
| last DA?  TBAA was certainly different, methinks while North was different
| in subtle ways.  R's line to B about thinking the mountie and his
| dad didn't
| get on - very telling.  Also FW not having the whole hostage
| scene.  This is
| fundamental stuff here.
| Please tsalk to me!!
| Elaine
|
|
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Hello there fellow DAMLers,

  Sorry this introductory post has been delayed awhile but we've been busy
Dief watching, haven't we Elaine :)? Anyway I'm Felicity and my son is
Martin, and it is quite possible that you'll be hearing from either one of
us at some point. We're both as daft as each other when it comes to anything
Due South and Marciano related, My husband doesn't understand it one little
bit......the obsession that is not DS or DM or PG....but we don't worry
unduly about it, just feel a little bit sorry for him at times :) I think
I've rambled on enough now, looking forward to it.

TYK

Felicity and Martin

Hello everyone,
What did you all think of the differences in the scripts as shown in the
last DA?  TBAA was certainly different, methinks while North was different
in subtle ways.  R's line to B about thinking the mountie and his dad didn't
get on - very telling.  Also FW not having the whole hostage scene.  This is
fundamental stuff here.
Please tsalk to me!!
Elaine

ooh, a subject line with my name in it :)

> Hi Anjali,

Hi Elaine,

> You get that story ready for this next issue of Enough Said, me girl.  :)

<sigh> why don't you ever give up? I'll rewrite it *a lot* and then we'll
see.

> And your reviews were great - I enjoyed them and they were well thought out.

thanks for the encouragement :)

> Good to hear from you here on DAML.

it's good to be heard from here. or something like that!

Take care all,
Anjali

Hi Anjali,
You get that story ready for this next issue of Enough Said, me girl.  :)
And your reviews were great - I enjoyed them and they were well thought out.
Good to hear from you here on DAML.
Elaine

<sigh> another Due South list. How do I keep up? Anyhow, 'hello'
everyone. My name's Anjali and I've been a member of DA for over
a year (that's as accurate as it gets) Due South is my favourite
tv show and has been since I first saw it - episode was SLIR, on
the 4th of Jan 1997. Obsessed? Moi? <g> My other favourite show,
which almost makes a joint 1st is Forever Knight. I also like
Quantum Leap and X Files.

I do a bit of acting and a lot of reading and writing. Um, my
favourite film is The Postman and my favourite film trilogies
are Star Wars and Indiana Jones - so, Harrison Ford's one of my
favourite actors - as is the lovely David Marciano. As for music,
I tend to like most things that aren't pop, rave, dance or
harcore - so basically that's rock(from BonJovi, to Kula Shaker,
to occasionaly Nirvana) and some punk for me.

I write some fanfic - I was doing a piece for Da's zine but I
think I'm going to wait until my fiction's readable first! I did
persuade myself to write two reviews in the last issue of DA,
though. The quality of them was questionable though. <sigh> one
day, eh?

Well, I'll stop myself there,

take care,
Anjali

Hi everyone,
Laura suggested Tarman - sorry spelling mistake - as our first topic.
Cough, yes well.
What can I say about Starman?  Re-arrange the following sentence: Is rubbish it.
Seriously this is the most terrible uninspiring trashy episode.  Why?  Let
me count the ways.
Okay, Ray goes around like a sore bear the whole time and I just want to
shout "Oh Grow up you miserable bastard" at him!!!  This is about the only
time in the whole of DS that I actively do NOT like Ray.  And for me that is
pretty strong stuff.
Benny again is in his Supermountie phase and again is ignoring the needs of
his friend.  He doesn't pay attention to Ray's concerns.
Ian - I loved MWKTL.  I loved the idea of R and B tracking through Canada
with Ray with only one shoe.  I loved the Riv dying.  Ian was well drawn and
annoying but never TOOO bad. He never turned into active dislike with me -
like Katherine Burns did.  In essence he was a very good character and I
wanted to see him return.  BUT in Starman he's way tooo annoying.
I don't care about him and Audrey or whatever her name is.  I couldn't care
less about him.
Yes the IDEA is very clever - alien abduction - but really so badly treated.
Almost like the writers had been TOLD you have to write an X File story - go
do it and came up with this.  There's no truth or sincerity in it.  Neither
P nor D give it their all and the whole thing just free wheels.  The climax
is insulting - at the base I mean.  Very formulaic.  No twist.  The only
clever idea was that after all that Ian found Audrey didn't love him.  There
is one good piece and that is the camping scene.
There are a few funny moments - B trying to subtly tell R that Ian needs
their help is classic DS.  Brill.  But the rest is awful.  I expect a lot
from DS and it usually delivers but not this time.  Starman is like a very
bad episode of Bugs or something.  :)

So in conclusion I don't like Starman because Ray is not Ray, the story is
non-existent and it is just not clever humour.

So now please feel free to reply.  That's the whole point of DAML.  Let's
see if we can get a good debate going.  It's ok to disagree as long as we
DEBATE not shout at each other.

Another discussion topic for you - ever notice in season 1 that Ray refers
to F as The Mountie. Interesting.  Why does he do this? What is the inner
meaning.  Anyone else think this falls off in season two - again why?
Anyone want to go and check all instances of it...
Nice to burble on,
Elaine
XXX

Hello and welcome to DAML.
How's you all doing?
You do realise that now I have you where I want you, you will be pressured
into sending me contribs to the n/l?  Good, long as you know.
Talk to you soon when a few more of us have joined.
Elaine
XX

Hey everyone list Ma'am here,
OK lets get the discussion going shall we, lets see what shall we start
with, OK I know what is your favourite unsung episodes, well my
particular favourite is Starman, I know it Is not the most drama packed
episode but I love this kind of thing being an X-file fan I did get a
kick out of the plot, even if I do admit it was only for the comic
value.

OK now who disagrees/agrees, what is every else's favourites.

And everyone else, introductions are still expected :)

Love your List Ma'am
Laura
--
" Alls well that
   ends with cute ER doctors I
   always say." Buffy. my perfect therory for life.
   Laura Maclean
   Wmac@...
   Bigred139@...
   Tartan Terror (Keeper of the Haggis)

Okay, Laura asked us all to let her know when we received our confirmations and
then give a little intro about ourselves, so here goes...

First up, my confirmation arrived safely, although it took over 24 hours from
when I signed up.  Onelist is usually better than that though.  Hmm?


As Elaine knows I was a founder member of Detective Armani, having received the
newsletter from Issue 1.  And a better Issue 1 I've never seen from any fan
club!  Thank you kindly, Elaine.

Both my husband, Robin, and I enjoy Due South (which is one of the few
non-Science Fiction programmes we both watch) although I am probably more of a
fan than he is.  As to which character's my favourite - I've always said that
Ray just wins by a nose (with all due apologies to David Marciano for that
personal remark), a preference which was only enhanced by my meetings with both
actors last year.  Paul Gross is pleasant enough, but David's something else
again!

Still, the heart and soul of the show is 'both' characters and the chemistry
between them and the best episodes are generally those where both men are given
the chance to shine.  And speaking of episodes, some of my favourites include
North, You Must Remember This, Chinatown, Heaven and Earth and The Duel, but
almost all are worthy of our attention.

I also write the occasional fan-fic, my latest two efforts appearing in DA's
delightful first 'zine, Enough Said.  Which appropriately enough is what I feel
like closing with now.

Enough said!  Let the discussion commence.

All the best,
Vicky Haslam


"People will believe what they want to believe.  I know what I do."
Commissioner Charles Underhill - Due South Pilot

Hello All!
A brief introduction about myself, to help get things going. My name is Julie
and I have been a Due South lover since April 1997. I actually discovered it
when I watched Flashback! I'm usually late discovering a TV programme I
eventually love so Due South was no different. I bought all the videos within
three months so it was like starting from the beginning for me, anyway!  I love
Benny and Ray together, that's what will always be Due South to me. As a member
of DA I have no time for the third season, [an insult to Due South] and have
hardly seen any of it. Oh, yes .. I also love David Marciano! My favourite
episode of all is North. Other favourites are The Deal, Juliet is Bleeding, The
Duel, Some like it Red, Pizzas and Promises, Chinatown, and The Man who knew too
little [being the proud owner of a script to that episode!] and least liked
episode is All the Wueen's Horses. My taste in music varies, but since Due
South, like many others probably, I love listening to Sarah Mclaughlan. I tend
to think of 'Fumbling towards ecstasy' as the Due South album! ... Well this
wasn't so brief after all, sorry!
Julie

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Hello,
welcome to the new DAML, I hope it will be as fun as the last list.

OK first of all can everyone let me know when they get their welcome
messages, I am not sure yet how long they will take to arrive.

Okay as list Ma'am I thought to get things going we would start with
something simple, Introductions.

Well I'm Laura MacLean as you know, I'm an 18 year old computing student
from Scotland and I am a huge fan of DS as well as things like Buffy,
Xena, X-files and many more.
My fav music's are Sarah Mclachlan, Jewel, Sherly Crow and Hottie and
the Blowfish to name but a few.
My fav DS episodes are Victoria's secret, Some Like it Red, The Duel,
Juliet is Bleeding and almost every other episode, as for fav
characters, I cant choose between, our Ray and Benny so I wont.

OK that's that out of the road, I just want to say that this is my first
time running a list, this is what happens when you volunteer to Elaine,
a valuable lesson to you all :) I have feeling this is going to be fun
though. OK so lets get the ball rolling, intros first and then we will
get onto the discussions.

Have fun.

Your List Ma'am Laura.
--
" Alls well that
   ends with cute ER doctors I
   always say." Buffy. my perfect therory for life.
   Laura Maclean
   Wmac@...
   Bigred139@...
   Tartan Terror (Keeper of the Haggis)