I could understand that concept if you were volunteering for an agency that helps people who are addicted...or a women's shelter...or some other agency/organization designed to meet the needs of people who have particular issues...but to put yourself out there as a friend to someone who is incapable of giving back, is, in fact, codependent, if that person is an addict, and is behaving toxically.
I work, as a counselor for an agency helping the homeless, mentally ill, addicted, etc. I love my job. I have good relationships with my clients (and they all know that I support their healthy choices, and am there to assist them in understanding the unhealthy choices that they make). I could make excuses for each of them...messed up childhood, chronic homelessness, mental illness, etc etc...can all be factors to an addiction...but what it all boils down to is the choice of an individual. People choose to be addicted. And people choose to treat others badly when addicted (because the only thing that becomes important is the fix). It is possible to love someone who is addicted and not to be supportive of their bad habits and choices. If that occurs at the expense of your own emotional health (as I am certain that a friendship with Danny would be), you are acting out as a codependent in that person's life, and thus hindering the
addicted person hitting bottom. Gretchen is that person for Danny. As she continues to focus her attention on his issues, she is not doing her own work in defining HER role in this dance...they are both choosing to continue this behavior together...which is preventing him from hitting his bottom sooner. And she has stated that she is addicted to the relationship, and what it provides for her. And he supports that by staying with her through all of the chaos that these two create toghether.
The people who really lose out here are the kids...and for them...this is not just "entertainment" as you have stated...Isabella has to deal with her peers seeing her parents acting out on tv. How sad is that?
I do not wish to continue this conversation with you, so if you do in fact choose to reply...that is fine...and wonderful...however it feels like it is getting us nowhere. I can agree to disagree with you on this. I am finished.
Take care of yourself...and your husband...
Blestmomof3@... wrote:
It is not ALWAYS about what a person gets from something....sometimes it's about giving! Did you ever think about that? Sometimes it just makes you feel good to do something nice. Satisfied? Or does that make me a codependent? JEEZ!
It is not ALWAYS about what a person gets from something....sometimes it's about giving! Did you ever think about that? Sometimes it just makes you feel good to do something nice. Satisfied? Or does that make me a codependent? JEEZ!
--- In Breaking_Bonaduce@yahoogroups.com, Blestmomof3@a... wrote:
>
> You really really really need to LIGHTEN UP!!!!! It's a friggin TV
show for
> cryin out louD!!!! Entertainment....remember that????? You must
be a real
> BLAST to be around...psycho analyzing EVERYONE you come in contact
with.....
>
> This is supposed to be for fun...chatting about a TV SHOW! Relax a
little,
> wouldya?
>
YOu began your original post with "I know you guys are going to attack
me but" so as a person who is not "attacking" but merely asking a
valid question...are you saying that you do not want to answer the
question?
Just mildly curious as to what you as a human being would get from a
friendship with Danny...or with someone similar to him?
You really really really need to LIGHTEN UP!!!!! It's a friggin TV show for cryin out louD!!!! Entertainment....remember that????? You must be a real BLAST to be around...psycho analyzing EVERYONE you come in contact with.....
This is supposed to be for fun...chatting about a TV SHOW! Relax a little, wouldya?
What this fellow needs are professionals who understand his nature and the nature of his addictive behavior. If I were in his life in that capacity, I would severe the friendship, as he obviously needs more than a mere friendship would provide. I would be supportive of him once he finds sobriety (sobriety of the mind-spirit-body), however whoever is in his life at this point (including his children) are not talking to HIM, but rather, they are talking...and having a relationship with...his addiction...and if they choose to talk to him and continue being supportive in ANY capacity...they are supporting the addiction, not Danny. I must add that his children are way too young to make any distinction. They have only known their father as to what he is presenting (which is so sad) and have absolutely no choice in the matter, because Gretchen is making a choice to buy into the relationship, and maintain a very passive-aggressive stance in her own
right.
Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
What would be YOUR payoff in having a friend who is, in your own words a "LUNATIC and self absorbed alcoholic"?
Blestmomof3@... wrote:
Obviously, he wouldn't be a good friend...he's a LUNATIC and self absorbed alcoholic. My nature is one to try to be kind and help people whenever I can. Would I be MARRIED to someone like that? ABSOLUTELY NOT! My husband has never done a drug in his life.....
I just happen to be a compasionate human being who feels badly for people in distress, whether it is self induced or not-he is suffering.
Obviously, he wouldn't be a good friend...he's a LUNATIC and self absorbed alcoholic. My nature is one to try to be kind and help people whenever I can. Would I be MARRIED to someone like that? ABSOLUTELY NOT! My husband has never done a drug in his life.....
I just happen to be a compasionate human being who feels badly for people in distress, whether it is self induced or not-he is suffering.
--- In Breaking_Bonaduce@yahoogroups.com, Blestmomof3@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 10/16/2005 2:01:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard
Time,
> virginiaham1965@y... writes:
>
> Ahhhh...spoken like a true CODEPENDENT
>
>
> Are you KIDDING me???????? You don't even KNOW me...how can you
judge?
>
Based on what you said...that you want to be his FRIEND and that you
feel SORRY for him...do you believe that he would be a good friend to
you or that he NEEDS a friend to be good to him?
--- In Breaking_Bonaduce@yahoogroups.com, Blestmomof3@a... wrote:
>
> I think, from reading his book and a few comments he made on the
show, that
> he HAS seen a shrink and they throw him out after a few sessions
because they
> can't help him. Dr. Garry is as useless as ice to an Eskimo....he
maybe
> helping Gretchen but he is CERTAINLY not helping Danny. How about
his comment
> last week "ooooohhh Danny, you're so smart... (when Danny was
realizing that
> Gretchen may not be in love with him)...NICE, good Dr., huh? lol!
>Where's Dr Phil? This family needs a wake up call...
--- In Breaking_Bonaduce@yahoogroups.com, "Tina" <Blestmomof3@a...>
wrote:
>
> Hey...I am totally addicted to the show. I too am almost afraid
to
> tune in every week. I just finished reading Danny's book (Random
Acts
> of Badness) and I have to say....gulp....I feel sorry for the
guy! (I
> know...I hear you all boo hiss boo hiss) but he truly is a very
> troubled soul. He is (and admits to being) self destructive and
> hateful of himself.
>
> I KNOW he is out of control, I too feel sorry for Gretchen and the
> kids, but I do feel badly for Danny too. It is just a sad
situation.
> Has anyone else read the book? It really changed my whole
attitude
> about the show and him. I grew up with the Partridge Family and I
> COULDN'T STAND Danny. So, I was prepared to enjoy hating him
while
> watching this show. I CAN'T! I want to be his friend, I feel
like he
> needs one! I'm not naive, I know he is a controlling freak and
that a
> lot of his actions are for the camera...I don't know why I just
feel
> BAD for him....
>
> Go ahead, lol, take your best shot...I know it's
coming....siggghhhh...
>Ahhhh...spoken like a true CODEPENDENT...
I see this as a joint effort on their parts, and the people truly
suffering are the kids...you can't tell me that the older child hasn't
heard that her parents are messed up freads from her friends at
school, that she won't lose friends over this (I personally would not
let my child play at someone's home who had parents like this...or
even remotely like thism also I would not allow a child who had
parents like this over at my home, for fear of bringing drama/violence
into my own home).
I am a manditory reporter. If I were to go into their home I would be
in a position to report the NEGLECT and ABUSE that the children suffer
due to Danny and Gretchen's behavior.
What an incredibly toxic family.
And if I hear Danny or Gretchen say one more time that the other MADE
them behave that way...I am going to scream.
I love the show! I really like Danny and Gretchen but has anyone ever
noticed that Gretchen's voice resembles a transvestite's? Nothing
against her I feel for her.
I thought the same thing about his daughter. Helllooooo it's on TV, do you NOT think it's going to get back to her?
But how about her mother having 3 men bumping and grinding on her naked? How is THAT for a role model? The more I watch this, the more I realize that Gretchen isn't completely the victim here.
I hope you're wrong...but fear you're right! I hope he just gets put on some medication and calms down...for her sake and the sake of the kids (which, by the way...WHERE are they when all this nonsense is going on and they are out until 3 a.m. with strippers and the like.
I know this probably isn't a very popular opinion, but I did agree with him about the stripper situation. That really was uncalled for. And if he has to stand outside in the rain and can't go in (and I KNOW he's a sex addict) and she's got 3 guys bumping and grinding her up close...unacceptable. It is disrespectful of your spouse. Just my opinion......
If he doesn't want help, they can't make him, however
its a train wreck waiting to happen. or murder,
specially if he can't live without her situation. I
fear for GB, he is scary the way he held her hear with
his hands. You know he lost his job with the radio
station? I agree about Dr. Garry. but how do you
help a 45 year old, who doesn't think he needs help.
I am afraid this is the next murder case to happen in
LA. Susan
--- Blestmomof3@... wrote:
> I think, from reading his book and a few comments he
> made on the show, that
> he HAS seen a shrink and they throw him out after a
> few sessions because they
> can't help him. Dr. Garry is as useless as ice to
> an Eskimo....he maybe
> helping Gretchen but he is CERTAINLY not helping
> Danny. How about his comment
> last week "ooooohhh Danny, you're so smart... (when
> Danny was realizing that
> Gretchen may not be in love with him)...NICE, good
> Dr., huh? lol!
>
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I think, from reading his book and a few comments he made on the show, that he HAS seen a shrink and they throw him out after a few sessions because they can't help him. Dr. Garry is as useless as ice to an Eskimo....he maybe helping Gretchen but he is CERTAINLY not helping Danny. How about his comment last week "ooooohhh Danny, you're so smart... (when Danny was realizing that Gretchen may not be in love with him)...NICE, good Dr., huh? lol!
That is bi polar, or manic depressive, he goes from
one extreme to another. I've seen it thru my adopted
son and it can throw you thru a ringer. Either that,
or he dshould get a emmy for his acting. I do
believe he needs help, and she and the kids need to
get out of there. And he needs to get off all the
drugs and booze because that makes the bi polar worse.
Why is he not seeing a shrink???? I am wondering if
its the next murder in LA awaiting to happen....
Susan
--- Blestmomof3@... wrote:
> It almost SEEMS like he's acting, doesn't it? I
> don't know much about
> bi-polar but is it possible for someone to be soooo
> out of control? I think if he
> WAS acting...then he would've been much more
> successful as an actor, don't
> you?
>
> What does everyone think? Tina
>
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It almost SEEMS like he's acting, doesn't it? I don't know much about bi-polar but is it possible for someone to be soooo out of control? I think if he WAS acting...then he would've been much more successful as an actor, don't you?
Danny, you need help and medication, you seem to be so bi polar that you
had one of the mood swings. Either that or you are a damn good
actor. I feel sorry for your wife and kids and what they seem to go
thru. Medication works wonders for people, if they take it. Susan
Hey...I am totally addicted to the show. I too am almost afraid to
tune in every week. I just finished reading Danny's book (Random Acts
of Badness) and I have to say....gulp....I feel sorry for the guy! (I
know...I hear you all boo hiss boo hiss) but he truly is a very
troubled soul. He is (and admits to being) self destructive and
hateful of himself.
I KNOW he is out of control, I too feel sorry for Gretchen and the
kids, but I do feel badly for Danny too. It is just a sad situation.
Has anyone else read the book? It really changed my whole attitude
about the show and him. I grew up with the Partridge Family and I
COULDN'T STAND Danny. So, I was prepared to enjoy hating him while
watching this show. I CAN'T! I want to be his friend, I feel like he
needs one! I'm not naive, I know he is a controlling freak and that a
lot of his actions are for the camera...I don't know why I just feel
BAD for him....
Go ahead, lol, take your best shot...I know it's coming....siggghhhh...
--- In Breaking_Bonaduce@yahoogroups.com, "Darrius Jones"
<dbub@y...> wrote:
>
> It now seems quite possible that 'Breaking Bonaduce' is not so real
> after all. What if the joke is on the audience, and the 'reality'
that
> you are watching is actually a very clever con to make you believe
> that you are watching a child star destroy himself?
>
> Has anyone noticed that the character of Dr. Gary is almost
completely
> anonymous? What is his real name? Where is his practice? Could an
> actual 'Doctor' be so inept at dealing with a patient's simple
> problems? Have you heard one piece of actual helpful advise escape
> his lips? Doesn't his 'office' look like something that they threw
> together just for the show?
>
> What about last week's emotional breakdown from the child star
> himself? In what is billed as a total breakdown, Danny is seen
sobbing
> on Dr. Gary's couch. However when he lowers his hands there are no
tears.
>
> Remember that you heard it here first....
>
ive had similar thoughts, but then thought that they could probably
get sued for doing something like that, and besides, the guy is
obviously on steroids, thats something they really cant fake. he
does play it up a lot for the camera, but i think thats causes hes
an attention whore.
It now seems quite possible that 'Breaking Bonaduce' is not so real
after all. What if the joke is on the audience, and the 'reality' that
you are watching is actually a very clever con to make you believe
that you are watching a child star destroy himself?
Has anyone noticed that the character of Dr. Gary is almost completely
anonymous? What is his real name? Where is his practice? Could an
actual 'Doctor' be so inept at dealing with a patient's simple
problems? Have you heard one piece of actual helpful advise escape
his lips? Doesn't his 'office' look like something that they threw
together just for the show?
What about last week's emotional breakdown from the child star
himself? In what is billed as a total breakdown, Danny is seen sobbing
on Dr. Gary's couch. However when he lowers his hands there are no tears.
Remember that you heard it here first....
After only 6 months of sobriety, I was shocked and saddened to see
Danny drink at the end of the recent episode. I suppose it was bound
to happen considering how out of control Danny is.
I thought it was odd that Danny knew exactly how much to dump out of
the cranberry bottle and what size vodka bottle would fit nicely right
on top of the bottle. I got the impression that he's done that a few
times before. Then when he guzzled the ENTIRE bottle, I was
horrified. At least he was smart enough (I use that word losely) not
to drink and drive. He rode his electric skateboard to the liquor
store. By the way, that's the dumbest contraption I've ever seen!
Hi,
I've been watching since the show started. It is like watching a train
wreck. I feel bad for his wife and kids. Gretchen seems so sweet. (I
hope that doesn't get me beat up by Danny. LOL, ROF.) Gretchen should
dump his behind and find someone who will treat her and the kids with
the love and respect they deserve. (She should do it before he hurts
her.)
I work with a steroid abuser and he's a midwestern version of Danny. I
now see why only a fool would use a drug like that. You get bigger
muscles but your dinky gets even more dinky and your hair falls out.
I am totally hooked on BB, but almost afraid to watch each following
week as Danny and wife spin out of control.
Is this real or fake? It seems like he is playing to the camera, but
I'm not sure that he is
that good of an actor. Could it be that the joke is on us and things
are not as real as it
looks?
Hello:
I was just flipping channels with the remote, and happened to click on
to BREAKING BONADUCE....
As a woman who has years of experience working at a domestic
violence/sexual assault center,after watching one episode I can tell
you beyond a shadow of a doubt that danny bonaduce is a textbook
perpetrator of domestic violence.
even though his wife reported to the therapist that Danny has never
been PHYSICALLY violent, virtually EVERY interaction danny has with
his wife (and his/her friends, etc)is a dance of POWER and CONTROL.He
keeps EVERYBODY in line with his thinly veiled threats and aggressive
behavior...He appears determined to control his wifes behavior ......
Danny at some point, has given himself permission to manipulate anyone
in his life, by coercing them... getting them "walking on
egggshells", "let's not upset him..it's easier to give in..."
Of course, the drug and alcohol abuse is fueling this behavior, but
even clean and sober, danny will have to CHOOSE to do some major ,
life changing work in therapy to change his behavior patterns and
attiudes....
I feel very very sorry for the kids. The boy is learning, "It's ok to
treat women like property", and the girl is learning, "this is how men
treat women, so when I date or get married, this will be ok..."
My last remark is that I hope is the therapist has hooked the wife up
with a local domestic violence support group/shelter....
mepat2000
I watched the first 2 episodes this weekend. Like Danny says at the
beginning of the show it is a car wreck. I see where it is heading
and still cannot turn away.
If anyone finds any links to Makenzie the porn star that he trains let
me know. I cannot seem to find any.