http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1260468351

Is there a thread for broadcast history of MLB on the two baseball networks -
ABC & NBC?
Also annoucers for these games?

NBC had Saturday's Game of the Week as well a couple times a year prime time
games.

ABC had Summer games on Monday night and/or Thrusday nights. Also they would
have some Sunday afternoon games especially September games involving teams
fighting for division titles.

I know there is a postseason thread but one for regular season games? Someone
know or is this being work on as we speak. Thanks.

http://ahammshow.blogspot.com/2008/08/bring-back-college-football-on-abc.html

With College Football Season coming up you college football fans you always look
for what channel is playing what game. The top network is ABC and their College
Football brand is a trademark of american sports. About 3 years ago, ABC Sports
went in a different direction and did away with ABC Sports and "renamed" it ESPN
on ABC. Yea, I know I dont get it either. So of course any sport you see on ABC
is really ESPN.



What in the hell is "ESPN on ABC"???? Roone and Howard would not tolerate this..


I honestly believe that the College Football portion has suffered the most from
all of this, I mean look what Disney has turned College Football
into..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN4XXVEDzoE




Remember when Keith Jackson, Brent Musburger and Brad Nessler had that music
behind them, and every game seemed like a conference title matchup. Hell, they
could make Stanford-Oregon State look like the Rose Bowl. Well I'll let you take
a look...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64rs1GXj4ck

http://www.themightymjd.com/2006/08/11/the-wide-world-of-sports-is-now-roughly-t\
he-size-of-bristol-ct/

August 11th, 2006


When you watch a sporting event on ABC from now, it's no longer being presented
to you by "ABC Sports." In fact, that no longer exists. ESPN has swallowed them
whole, and any sporting event that appears on ABC from now on, is being brought
to you by "ESPN on ABC." The Little League World Series will be the last event
eler televised by ABC Sports.

Gone is the organization that brought you "The Wide World of Sports," in favor
of more from the organization that brought you "Bonds on Bonds." Actually, I
suppose it doesn't ultimately make any difference to me. ESPN is probably
omnipresent enough in my life right now, but what are you going to do? It's not
like I can just stop patronizing ESPN. They've got their hooks in me.

Richard Sandomir of the New York Times has done his best to find some
teeth-gnashing and hand-wringing about the event, quoting NBC's Dick Ebersol as
saying that his heart weeps for Roone Aldredge's legacy. Keith Jackson and Dan
Dierdorf were also a little bit pissed, mainly about people's legacies, about
which, to be perfectly honest with you, I could not possibly care less.

ABC's been using ESPN commentators and graphics for a long time now, and I don't
think much actual presentation is going to change. Really, the move is purely
masturbatory on the part of ESPN. George Bodenheimer, president of ESPN, had
some kind of a line about this enabling ABC and ESPN to better serve fans, but
you'll have to forgive me if I'm a little bit skeptical about his altruism. All
the move really does is put get the ESPN brand a little more exposure, which
they probably think is going to help them sell some cell phones.

http://design.osu.edu/carlson/history/ACCAD-overview/overview4b.html

Cranston/Csuri Productions produced over 800 animations for over 400 clients
worldwide. Every major television network, including ABC, CBS, NBC, the Canadian
Broadcasting Co., German ARD Television, ABC Australia, Rede Globo in Brazil,
and the BBC had show openings or promotions produced at CCP.

Cable networks, including HBO, Cinemax, The Turner Broadcasting Network, TNN,
the Country Music Channel, CNN and others did the same.

Sports broadcasts were a specialty, and CCP produced graphics and animation for
CBS Sports, ABC Sports, NBC Sports, ESPN, the NFL, NFL Films, HBO and others.
CCP produced the opening for two Super Bowls, the NCAA Basketball Chamionships,
Major League Baseball, the Breeder's Cup, Wimbledon, College Football and
Basketball, and IROC Racing.

All of the major news shows used CCP graphics, including NBC Nightly News, ABC
World News Tonight, and CBS Evening News. ABC contracted for all 11 of their
major news shows, and also for the United Airlines in-flight broadcast.

Advertisements included Clio nominated TRW pieces, ads for Sony, IBM, Ameritech,
McDonnel Douglas, Jeep, Contac Cold Capsules, Actifed, General Electric, Pert
Plus, Procter and Gamble, Always overnight pads, M&I Banks, Benjamin Moore
Paints, Lowenbrau Beer, Warner Cable, and many others.

Corporate communications were done for GE, IBM, American Electric Power, Mount
Carmel Health, Landor and Associates, Cranston Securities, Cranston Development,
and others.

CCP also specialized in medical animation, producing dozens of sequences for the
BBC series The Body Machine. They produced over 40 segments for the Annenberg
series on Mathematics for PBS. The produced a generic promotional package for
local television markets, customizing it for almost 100 local stations.

They did scene tests for several motion pictures, including Flight of the
Navigator, an unnamed movie from Disney, and the Brave Little Toaster.

The images at the right are examples of the many productions done in the CCP
studios. For a complete list of the CCP clients, click here.


http://design.osu.edu/carlson/history/ACCAD-overview/CCP-Clients.html

http://design.osu.edu/carlson/history/ACCAD-overview/CCP-Clients.html

      Cranston/Csuri Clients
1981-1987

   Client Location Project Title


   ABC Entertainment Los Angeles, CA Love In the Afternoon
   ABC Entertainment Los Angeles, CA After School Special
   ABC Entertainment Los Angeles, CA Fall Campaign "You'll Love It"
   ABC Entertainment Los Angeles, CA Special
   ABC Entertainment Los Angeles, CA Good Morning America

   ABC News New York, NY In Air Report - United Airlines
   ABC News New York, NY One on One
   ABC News New York, NY 20/20
   ABC News New York, NY World News Tonight
   ABC News New York, NY '84 Vote
   ABC News New York, NY World News Saturday
   ABC News New York, NY Newsbrief
   ABC News New York, NY Business Brief
   ABC News New York, NY Starfield
   ABC News New York, NY World News Tonight Sunday
   ABC News New York, NY Sunday
   ABC News New York, NY World News This Morning
   ABC News New York, NY Weekend Report
   ABC News New York, NY Nightline
   ABC News New York, NY News Flight - Western Airlines
   ABC News New York, NY Sports Update
   ABC News New York, NY World News
   ABC News New York, NY Special Report
   ABC News New York, NY Globe
   ABC News New York, NY Weekend News
   ABC News New York, NY Directions

   ABC Sports New York, NY USFL Promo
   ABC Sports New York, NY Olympic Promo

   Abelson-Taylor Agency Chicago, IL Syntex
   Alcon International Fort Worth TX Eye Animation
   American Electric Power (AEP) Columbus OH Corporate Logo

   ARD German Television Munich, West Germany Sportschau
   ARD German Television Munich, West Germany On Air Package
   ARD German Television Munich, West Germany Vochenspiegel
   ARD German Television Munich, West Germany Plus-Minus
   ARD German Television Munich, West Germany Weltspiegel

   Australian Broadcasting Co. Melbourne, Australia ABC Promo Open

   Backer & SpielvogeI New York, NY NCR
   Benton & Bowles New York NY Proctor & Gamble (Always)
   Bernstein-Rein Agency Kansas City, MO Checker Auto Parts (The Wax)
   Billy Sunshine New York, NY Caesar's Palace
   Box Seat San Diego, CA Promo
   Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt New York, NY New York Area Chrysler/Plymouth
Dealers
   Broadcast Arts New York, NY Clairol
   Burroughs Wellcome Research Triangle Park, NC Digibond

   Callner-Shapiro Beverly Hills,CA Twisted Sister
   Callner-Shapiro Beverly Hills,CA Krokus
   Callner-Shapiro Beverly Hills,CA Chaka Khan
   Callner-Shapiro Beverly Hills,CA Corporate ID

   Canadian Broadcasting Company Toronto, Ontario CBC Network Promotion
   CBN Cable Network Virginia Beach,VA 2nd Season Premier
   CBN Cable Network Virginia Beach,VA 10th Anniversary Logo

   CBS Entertainment Los Angeles, CA Fall Campaign Share the Spirit

   CBS News New York, NY CBS Evening News
   CBS News New York, NY Sunday Night News

   CBS Sports New York, NY Madden Chalkboard
   CBS Sports New York, NY Sportsbreak
   CBS Sports New York, NY College Football
   CBS Sports New York, NY Superbowl XXI
   CBS Sports New York, NY IROC
   CBS Sports New York, NY 1987 NCAA Basketball Championships
   CBS Sports New York, NY CBS Sports Tag
   CBS Sports New York, NY NFL Live
   CBS Sports New York, NY Superbowl XVIII
   CBS Sports New York NY 1985 NCAA Championships

   Ciba Geigy Summit, NJ Lopressor, Circle of Protection

   CJCH Halifax, Nova Scotia Atlantic Television System
   CKTM Trois-Rivieres, Quebec Television Saint-Maurice
   CKTV Regina, Saskatchewan

   Consortium for Mathematics Applications Lexington, MA VISUMAP Telecourse
Graphics
   Costello & Associates Columbus, OH The Great North Stores
   Cowles & Company Green Ridge, NJ ABC Affiliates Package
   Cranston Securities Columbus, OH The Louisville Project
   Cunningham & Walsh New York, NY Puffs Plus

   Dancer Fitzgerald and Sample Agency New York, NY Proctor & Gamble ("Encaprin")
   DHS Films New York NY E. F. Hutton
   Dunhaven Entertainment Culver City,CA Flight of the Navigator

   EDS-Saturn Southfield,MI Gear Animation
   ER Squibb & Sons Princeton NJ Logo Open
   ESPN Bristol, CT College Basketball
   ESPN Bristol, CT Auto Racing Open
   ESPN Bristol, CT Basketball Open
   ESPN Bristol CT Rendezvous 87
   ESPN Bristol CT Speedweek
   ESPN Bristol CT CFA College Football
   ESPN Bristol CT NHL Hockey
   ESPN Bristol CT Speedworld

   Evening Magazine San Francisco, CA Show Open
   E. F. Hutton New York NY Corporate logo

   Fahlgren & Swink Agency Toledo, OH Toledo Trust
   Fahlgren & Swink Agency Toledo, OH Microchip
   Fahlgren & Swink Agency Toledo, OH Trustcorp
   Fahlgren & Swink Agency Toledo, OH Cincinnati Bell

   Fox Broadcasting Los Angeles CA Fox Network Identity

   Glazen Advertising Cleveland, OH Diamonds

   Globo Television Rio de Janeiro, Brazil World Cup Soccer
   Globo Television Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 20th Anniversary Logo

   Goldcrest Multimedia London, England The Body Machine
   Grey Advertising New York, NY Bristol Myers (Nuprin)
   Griswold Eshelman & Company Columbus, Oh AEP Logo
   Group 243 Design Ann Arbor, MI Domino's Pizza

   HAL Publications New York, NY Before You Buy
   Hameroff/Milenthal Columbus, OH Ohio Department of Development
(The Heart of it All)
   Handley and Miller Indianapolis, IN Indiana Bell World Games
   HBO Cinemax New York, NY Network Promo Campaign
   HKTVB  Kowloon Hong Kong Television Broadcast Limited
   Hoffman, York & Compton Milwaukee, WI Milwaukee Art Museum Vase in Hall

   Home Box Office New York, NY Inside the NFL
   Home Box Office New York, NY Wimbledon
   Home Box Office New York, NY World Championship boxing

   ICN Pharmaceuticals Costa Mesa, CA Logo
   Image West Studio City, CA ABC World Series Open

   Jacobs & Gerber and California Films  Los Angeles, CA Cox Broadcasting Station
Network Identity
   Japan Computer Graphics Lab Tokyo, Japan The Brain

   J. Walter Thompson Chicago, IL Ameritech Corporate ID
   J. Walter Thompson Chicago, IL Lowenbrau
   J. Walter Thompson San Francisco, CA The Bay Cable Group

   Kilpatrick Headley-Noble  Miami, FL American Savings Bank

   Kirchner, Helton & Collet Dayton, OH Huntington National Bank -Union Commerce
   Kirchner, Helton & Collet Dayton, OH Huntington National Bank - Home Computer
Service
   KABC Hollywood, CA
   KBHK San Francisco, CA
   KBVO Austin, TX
   KCCI Des Moines IA
   KCNC Denver, CO
   KCOP Los Angeles, CA
   KCRA Sacramento, CA News Open
   KCTV Kansas City, MO
   KDFI Dallas, TX
   KDFW Dallas, TX
   KDNW Seattle WA
   KFVS Cape Girardeau, MO
   KJTV Amarillo TX
   KMSP Indianapolis, IN
   KOVR Sacramento CA
   KPTV Portland, OR
   KREB Las Vegas, NV
   KRZB Hot Springs AR
   KSNW Wichita, KS
   KTBC Austin, TX
   KTHT Houston, TX
   KTSP Phoenix, AZ
   KTUL Tulsa, OK
   KTVI St. Louis MO
   KTVI Fort Worth TX
   KTVU Oakland CA
   KTVX Salt Lake City, UT
   KTXA Dallas, TX
   KTXH Houston, TX
   KUPT Phoenix AZ
   KUTV Salt Lake City, UT
   KVTV Laredo, TX
   KWWL Waterloo, IA
   KXAS Fort Worth, TX
   KXXV Waco TX

   Landor and Associates San Francisco, CA Corporate Open
   Laser Disc Technologies Toronto, Ontario Scanner
   Leo Burnett Chicago, IL Proctor & Gamble (Pert Plus)

   Lofaro & Associates New York, NY General Electric (Prism)
   Lofaro & Associates New York, NY Sony XBR Campaign

   Lord,Geller, Federico & Einstein New York, NY IBM Christmas Carol
   Lord,Geller, Federico & Einstein New York, NY IBM Christopher Columbus

   Los Angeles Express Football Los Angeles CA Promo

   Marcus Advertising Cleveland, OH The Ohio Lottery Commission Super Lotto
("Numbers")

   Marcus Advertising Cleveland, OH The Ohio Lottery Commission


   Marshall & Ilsley Banks Milwaukee WI M & I Banks
   McCall/Coppola Studio City, CA Clairol (Kindness)
   McCall/Coppola Studio City, CA Like Cola
   McNeill Laboratories Springhouse, PA Logo Design
   Messina Editorial New York, NY Macy's/Bamberger's

   Metromedia Producers Corporation Boston, MA Logo
   Metromedia Producers Corporation Boston, MA Healthbeat

   Mount Carmel Health Columbus, OH Commercial ("PCTA")
   Mount Carmel Health Columbus, OH Commercial ("Alzheimers")
   Mount Carmel Health Columbus, OH Commercial ("Trauma")

   Murcia of Travel & Tourism Murcia, Spain Promo

   Nashville Network Nashville, TN Network Logo

   NBC Sports New York, NY 1984 AFC Championships
   NBC Sports New York, NY 1985 AFC Championships
   NBC Sports New York, NY 1986 AFC Championships
   NBC Sports New York, NY Sportsworld
   NBC Sports New York, NY Lombardi Trophy (1985)
   NBC Sports New York, NY Lombardi Trophy (1986)
   NBC Sports New York, NY NFL Shield
   NBC Sports New York, NY NFL 84
   NBC Sports New York, NY NFL 85
   NBC Sports New York, NY NFL 86
   NBC Sports New York, NY Breeders Cup (1985)
   NBC Sports New York, NY Breeders Cup (1986)
   NBC Sports New York, NY Superbowl XX
   NBC Sports New York, NY PBA Bowling Open (1985)
   NBC Sports New York, NY PBA Bowling Open (1986)
   NBC Sports New York, NY Tennis Open (1985)
   NBC Sports New York, NY Tennis Open (1986)
   NBC Sports New York, NY NFL on NBC
   NBC Sports New York, NY On Air Promotion Package (1985)
   NBC Sports New York, NY On Air Promotion Package (1986)
   NBC Sports New York, NY Major League Baseball Open (1985)
   NBC Sports New York, NY Major League Baseball Open (1986)

   NFL Films Mount Laurel, NJ Film Open
   N.Y. Ayer New York, NY Carrier Corporation

   Ohio Edison Company Akron OH Talking Sphere
   Ohio Film Board Columbus, OH Catalog Cover

   Ohlmeyer Communications New York, NY Strohs Brewing Company
   Ohlmeyer Communications New York NY Nabisco Fit Tips Ad

   Olgivy & Mather Los Angeles, CA Contac (Design)
   Olgivy & Mather New York NY California Federal Savings & Loan

   Paramount Television Los Angeles, CA Solid Gold Show Open
   PM Magazine San Francisco Show Open
   Praxis Film Works North Hollywood, CA McDonnell Douglas
   Price Weber Marketing Comm. Louisville, KY Cummins Engine
   Private Music Alexandria, VA Gear Series
   Public Broadcasting Service  New York, NY Network Campaign

   Republican Party Washington, DC 1984 National Convention Open
   Robinson, Lambi-Nairn Ltd. London, England Scottish Television Network
   Ron Foth Retail Columbus,OH Lazarus Christmas Open
   Rumrill-Hoyt Advertising Southfield MI Actifed

   Saatchi & Saatchi Compton Columbus, OH Jeep/Renault
   Salvato & Coe Associates New York, NY Huntington National Bank Annual Report
   Sheryl Gold Communications LA 1986 CBS Affiliates Package
   Showtime New York, NY The Heat is On
   Showtime New York, NY Exclusive Presentation
   Studio EFX Hollywood, CA Turner Broadcasting Goodwill Games
   Tailford & Associates Toledo, OH Toledo Hospital
   Ted Thomas Associates Philadelphia, PA Rorer Pharmaceuticals Nitroglycerine
   Vision Associates New York, NY Pfizer Pharmaceuticals Silent Ischemia
   WABC  New York, NY New York, NY
   Warwick Advertising New York, NY Benjamin Moore Paints
   Warwick Advertising New York, NY Midol 200
   William Esty New York, NY Energizer

   WBAY  Green Bay WI Station Identification
   WBBM  Chicago, IL  Station Identification
   WBFS  Chicago, IL  Station Identification
   WBOY  Clarksburg, WV  Station Identification
   WCAU  Philadelphia, PA  Station Identification
   WCBS  New York, NY  Station Identification
   WCFC  Chicago, IL Grant Broadcasting Promotions
   WCMH Columbus, OH  Station Identification
   WCVB  Boston, MA  Station Identification
   WDAF  Kansas City MO  Station Identification
   WDIV  Detroit, MI  Station Identification
   WDLI  Canton, OH  Station Identification
   WDVM  Minneapolis, MN  Station Identification
   WDZL  Miami, FL  Station Identification
   WEVU  Naples, FL  Station Identification
   WFLD  Chicago, IL  Station Identification
   WFTV  Orlando, FL  Station Identification
   WFTV  Orlando, FL  Station Identification
   WGBO  Joliet, IL  Station Identification
   WGBS  Philadelphia, PA Grant Broadcasting Promotions
   WHEC  Rochester, NY  Station Identification
   WHIZ  Zanesville, OH  Station Identification
   WISN  Milwaukee, WI Hearst Corporation
   WJLA  Washington, DC  Station Identification
   WJW  Cleveland, OH  Station Identification
   WJZ  Baltimore ,MD For Kid's Sake - People are Talking
   WKAQ  San Juan, Puerto Rico  Station Identification
   WKBD Southfield,MI
   WKYC Cleveland OH
   WLFI Lafayette IN
   WLNE New Bedford MA
   WLS Chicago, IL
   WMAQ Chicago, IL
   WMC Memphis TN
   WNBC New York NY
   WNEW New York, NY
   WNYT Albany, NY
   WOR Secaucus, NJ
   WPEC West Palm Beach, FL
   WPTF Raleigh NC Price/McNabb
   WQED Pittsburgh, PA
   WRAL Raleigh, NC Wonderworks
   WRGB Schenectady, NY Spiekerman Media
   WRTV Indianapolis, IN
   WSJ
   WTAF Pittsburgh PA
   WTAT Charleston, SC
   WTBS Atlanta GA Turner Broadcasting
   WTTG Washington, DC Metromedia
   WTTV Bloomington, IN
   WTVJ Miami. FL
   WTVS Detroit, MI
   WUSA Washington, DC
   WVAH Charleston WV
   WVIA Pittston, PA
   WVTM Birmingham., AL
   WWL New Orleans LA Nettenshein Marketing for Media
   WXIA Atlanta, GA Gannett Broadcasting
   WXNE Boston, MA Chicago, IL
   WXRT FM Diamonds
   WXXV Golfport, MS
   Wunderman, Ricotta, and Klein New York, NY CBS Video Games
   Wyse Advertising Cleveland, OH TRW -The Best Idea in the World

   Wyse Advertising Cleveland, OH TRW - Kaleidoscope

   Zooma Films / Teitsell Films Venice, CA NBC 1983 Fall Campaign

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1260027561

Here it is:
http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1260078760

Any thoughts of pre-1966 threads on the subject??

I know c.1955 or so thru 1959 NCAA football was on NBC with Lindsey Nelson and
Red Grange as the top team, then a whirlwind of rightsholders followed.
1960-1961 on ABC with Curt Gowdy and Paul Christman the main team, 1962-1963 on
CBS with Lindsey Nelson and Terry Brennan the A team, Nelson and Brennan then
moved to NBC when they had the rights for 1964 and 1965.

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1217315040/75

  "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedules (Read 4531 times)
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #75 - 12/03/09 at 20:59:32
Quote from onairb2 on 01/02/09 at 15:13:13:
I just thank God they had an out clause...somewhere exists an alternate universe
where there was no strike, and America suffered through the full six years of
that contract!


The only thing that makes me wish they'd come up with a decent version of the
concept, like for instance having a regular Saturday GOTW to *complement* a
Baseball Night In America and no regionalization of postseason games, is that we
would have gotten six years of Al Michaels back doing baseball and would have
been spared Fox baseball coverage.
Back to top


     IP Logged
onairb2
God Member




Posts: 1281
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #76 - 12/04/09 at 03:25:17
I actually would have preferred  to see 'TBN' follow the Fox blueprint of only 3
or  maybe 4 good games being regionalized each week; perhaps one game for each
of the Eastern, Central and Pacific time zones(with the Mountain getting the
Rockies),and with more of the name announcers who actually worked for the
networks, rather than most of  the hybrid local announcing teams.
NBC could have had a no-brainer selection of Costas, Enberg, Gumbel, and even
Charlie Jones(already working for the Rockies at the time); and if Vin and/or
Joe G and/or Tony K wanted to do a game once in a while, they could have had an
open invitation.
ABC could have easily used Al, Tim, and Jim for the primary, Musburger for the B
game, and imported either Miller and Morgan or Gary Thorne for anything else.
None of this DeWayne Staats, Larry Dieker, Pete Van Wieren, etc., pretending to
work for some non-existent 'network/flawed marketing tool of MLB.
Back to top


     IP Logged
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #77 - 12/04/09 at 10:07:50
The Fox blueprint for Saturdays has been terrible from the beginning IMO.     It
has meant that for 13 straight years there has never been any diversity to what
someone sees, he just *always* from week to week sees the same team he watches
on a daily basis with unfamiliar announcers and thus the Saturday game is no
longer the spotlight for different teams the way NBC did it, and ABC in
primetime.

I hope to goodness that MLB finally puts an end to this idiotic Fox exclusivity
that has ruined national baseball coverage for more than a decade now.     MLB
is a sport that *has* to be a two network sport, and by that I mean two major
network sport like in the NBC/ABC days or the FOX/NBC days.      The NFL I think
has alawys been able to prosper as a TV sport precisely because with
multi-networks, NFL coverage has never had a boring one-note quality to it.   
FOX's approach though has been one-note since 1996 and it's never gotten any
better.
Back to top


     IP Logged
JohnnyO
God Member




Posts: 836
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #78 - 12/04/09 at 10:41:44
The NFL includes ALL of its games in national TV contracts, which is unique to
all team sports in the USA, and makes comparisons to other sports like MLB
difficult.
Back to top


    IP Logged
Michael Green
Full Member




Posts: 209
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #79 - 12/04/09 at 12:59:26
Quote from JohnnyO on 12/04/09 at 10:41:44:
The NFL includes ALL of its games in national TV contracts, which is unique to
all team sports in the USA, and makes comparisons to other sports like MLB
difficult.


Also, playing 16 games in a season as opposed to the 162 in baseball and the 82
in basketball.  As I understand it, hockey has no regular season but starts with
the playoffs.

More seriously, I have thought one of Fox's bigger mistakes is lack of
continuity.  When NBC's Game of the Week was at its peak in the 1980s, I think
people wanted to tune in to hear Vin and Joe or Bob and Tony talk baseball. 
Now, when you get ready for a Saturday game, it's no longer the GAME of the week
but one of the regional games of the week, you probably have already seen the
team several times in the past week, and you could get almost anybody announcing
it.
Back to top


     IP Logged
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #80 - 12/04/09 at 16:14:43
Yes, but if the NFL were carried by only one network exclusively spread out
among different announcers for the same network, I think there'd at some point
be a creeping annoyance with the coverage based on lack of diverse approaches.
Growing up, no matter who was doing it, there was a distinct *style* to a CBS
game as opposed to an NBC or ABC game etc. and when baseball was done by NBC and
ABC you had that special air of distinction too that more importantly helped
baseball attract a much bigger national following IMO.      But starting with
the disastrous CBS exclusive contract of 90-93 and then with FOX as exclusive
carrier since 2001 the problem with national baseball coverage is that's its
always taken on a stale homogenized air (and the less said about ESPN with their
awful flagship team of Miller and Morgan, the better.)   At least when NBC had
half the postseason from 96-00 there was diversity of broadcast presentation as
NBC production values still represented the old days of NBC baseball in the 80s.
Back to top


     IP Logged
JP
YaBB Administrator




Posts: 2683
Gender:
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #81 - 12/04/09 at 16:23:22
How can you say that? It's not like FOX is the only network that broadcasts MLB.
There's also ESPN, TBS, and a large number of regional networks, all of them
with their own style and approach.
Back to top


J.P. Kirby
NFL TV Distribution Maps webmaster
       IP Logged
Red Dog
God Member




Posts: 1160
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #82 - 12/04/09 at 16:31:30
I don't see why having 2 OTA carriers (with different styles and such) is
necessarily going to drum up a bigger national following than 1.  For years when
baseball was still the national pastime, NBC was the exclusive national OTA
carrier.
Back to top


    IP Logged
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #83 - 12/04/09 at 16:56:25
Actually, the 1966-75 NBC era of exclusivity is the period when baseball's
decline started.    Before 1966, baseball had national exposure on all three
networks during the regular season with Dizzy Dean's CBS game of the week
attracting a big following in markets that didn't have major league teams.    
When you have multiple OTA networks interested in making their coverage
different and also with a broader vested interest in promoting the net effect is
usually a lot better.

Back to top


     IP Logged
Red Dog
God Member




Posts: 1160
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #84 - 12/04/09 at 17:12:03
There's nothing special about OTA carriage these days.  20+ years ago, sure, it
was special.  As has been said, there are 2 other national platforms (with high
penetration rates) that MLB is available on (not to mention that RSNs cover
every other game).  If anything, there is more diversity of coverage now more
than ever.

We're probably within a decade of the World Series being on ESPN anyhow.
Back to top


    IP Logged
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #85 - 12/04/09 at 17:18:31
Diversity does not exist when I've been having to listen to the subpar work of
Joe Buck for 13 years and the atrocious work of Jon Miller-Joe Morgan as the
national cable voice for twenty years while the two men who should have been
calling baseball on the national level for the last twenty years, Bob Costas and
Al Michaels, were forced out of the game due to the shortsightedness of who
baseball chose to deal with.

Cable exposure has never been the same for me as the presence generated on an
OTA network, and the very fact that baseball started palming off its postseason
games to cable channels only has further conveyed the aura of a sport that has
accepted a second class status it never had to have.
Back to top


     IP Logged
Red Dog
God Member




Posts: 1160
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #86 - 12/05/09 at 13:55:46
Sounds like announcers are more of your problem than the carriers.
Back to top


    IP Logged
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #87 - 12/05/09 at 14:04:21
They're related issues IMO.     A sport that decides to contract itself from a
two OTA network sport and is eventually willing to accept the majority of its
postseason games on cable is a sport that has decided to relegate itself to a
second class status.      Peter Ueberroth alas sent baseball down that slippery
slope starting with the 1990 CBS contract and it's been bad for baseball ever
since.

It doesn't help that the announcing quality of ESPN and FOX (and TBS for that
matter) has been abysmal.
Back to top


     IP Logged
Red Dog
God Member




Posts: 1160
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #88 - 12/05/09 at 14:09:56
It already was 2nd class to football.  And the OTA carriers besides FOX have
obviously concluded that the benefits weren't and aren't worth the costs.  FOX
is probably going to come to that conclusion when the next set of rights come
up.  I don't see how baseball is the one driving this 'contraction' from OTA
coverage.  I suppose they did in 1990, but that's not what's happening now.  But
also keep in mind in 1990, FOX wasn't a major player, NBC had already decided to
devote major resources to the NBA and Olympics so they were pretty much out, and
that left ABC and CBS.  ABC at the time was rolling back on their sports budget.
CBS threw a fortune at MLB, but regardless, I'm not sure MLB had more options
than CBS.
Back to top


    IP Logged
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #89 - 12/05/09 at 14:18:38
2001 and 2006 when they reupped with FOX as the sole OTA carrier demonstrated
that baseball hadn't learned a thing from the CBS debacle of 1990.    I don't
think in either of those instances it was a case of FOX being the only OTA
network that wanted to do baseball.

It is not true BTW, that NBC wanted out of baseball back in 1988 when they were
shut out of the deal (the CBS deal *predates* NBC getting the NBA from them)   
ABC was suffering more from red ink as a result of the Calgary Olympics, but NBC
had always been proud of its tradition as the network that introduced TV
baseball and would have been happy to be part of a deal with CBS where the GOTW
still existed.    CBS overpaid to be the *sole* network for one reason only, so
they could hog all levels of the postseason to promote primetime programming and
Ueberroth in the process not only sold out NBC, the network that always enjoyed
doing the game, but he also sold out baseball's ability to be on-par with the
NFL on a TV level (and certainly always ahead of the other sports, which were
always going to be one network sports).
Back to top


     IP Logged
Red Dog
God Member




Posts: 1160
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #90 - 12/05/09 at 14:24:30
Quote from epaddon on 12/05/09 at 14:18:38:
2001 and 2006 when they reupped with FOX as the sole OTA carrier demonstrated
that baseball hadn't learned a thing from the CBS debacle of 1990.    I don't
think in either of those instances it was a case of FOX being the only OTA
network that wanted to do baseball.



For the price MLB was seeking, they certainly were.  I don't remember the other
networks banging on MLB's door to broadcast MLB.  They have other priorities -
mainly revolving around the NFL and Olympics.  ABC has very little interest in
sports anymore (besides what ESPN feeds it on weekends).
Back to top


    IP Logged
DK073
God Member




Posts: 2230
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #91 - 12/05/09 at 20:34:19
Quote from epaddon on 12/05/09 at 14:18:38:
2001 and 2006 when they reupped with FOX as the sole OTA carrier demonstrated
that baseball hadn't learned a thing from the CBS debacle of 1990.    I don't
think in either of those instances it was a case of FOX being the only OTA
network that wanted to do baseball.


You may have had a case pre-strike, but not anymore.  It's not that baseball
only wants 1 OTA carrier now, but CBS isn't interested, NBC wants no part of it,
and ABC doesn't have a sports division anymore.  Signing up with TBS in 2006
wasn't so much a choice as it was a lack of option.  You can rip the NBA for
making the decision to move more towards cable and they really left NBC out to
dry.  If there was a 2nd OTA network that wanted in on the action, MLB would
have considered them.  But TBS put the most money on the table when there wasn't
a lot of competition, so there wasn't much MLB could do.
Back to top


     IP Logged
wdoodlesonII
God Member




Posts: 2577
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #92 - Yesterday at 00:53:57
Quote from epaddon on 12/05/09 at 14:18:38:
    CBS overpaid to be the *sole* network for one reason only, so they could hog
all levels of the postseason to promote primetime programming


CBS supposedly would have overpaid even more- had MLB agreed to interleague play
at that time
Back to top


     IP Logged
onairb2
God Member




Posts: 1281
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #93 - Yesterday at 03:19:01
That wasn't the last time CBS expressed interest in interleague games; after the
'Baseball Network' deal was terminated,and just before Fox and NBC (for
postseason games) emerged with the rights,  there were initial reports that CBS
would have a Thursday night package of West Coast interleague games starting in
'96, mostly scheduled for late night(11:30 ET/8:30 PT). This proposal never got
off the ground, most likely because of the timing( I guess the '96 schedule had
already been announced, and it would have been too costly to redo it, the games
would have had even later starts than the TBN West Coast games, and CBS wouldn't
have wanted to pre-empt Letterman), though I remember KNBR radio in San
Francisco reporting it as a done deal..but I think the Fox/NBC deal was
announced the same day, and CBS and baseball haven't been mentioned in the same
sentence ever since...except on the506.
Back to top


     IP Logged
Michael Green
Full Member




Posts: 209
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #94 - Yesterday at 13:08:38
A few points I'd like to add.

1.  I don't blame CBS for that contract (1990-93).  Peter Ueberroth was behind
that.  Supposedly, even if he had gone with NBC, he no longer wanted the Game of
the Week, and he did hold the post-season hostage to get bigger money,
especially since NBC and ABC had overpaid for the previous deal.

2.  I note that Al Michaels was in the employ of ABC when it merged with ESPN. 
I also note that he did not attempt to do baseball.  Bob Costas pooh-poohed
doing play-by-play as well.  If they really wanted it, they could have done
something about it, even going the Dick Enberg route of joining a local team. 
It isn't as though they would have wound up panhandling.  That doesn't mean I
expected them to do that, but to say they had no chance to do baseball just
doesn't fly.

3.  The only baseball broadcaster I hear today who even comes close to Vin
Scully--to the point that he would be allowed to touch Vin's briefcase, but not
necessarily carry it--is Jon Miller.  It saddens me that the country thinks of
him mainly as the pbp man next to Joe Morgan and, for a horrific year, Steve
Phillips.  He is a tremendous baseball broadcaster on the radio.  But he has
been stuck with a poor analyst for 20 seasons and with a network that is more
interested in itself than in anything else.

It reminds me of the story about Curt Gowdy.  He would go to the production
meeting before the Game of the Week, and the producer would natter on about the
"show" and the opening and all that.  Tony Kubek said Gowdy would raise his hand
and, with affected naivete, say, "What about the game?"  I wait for ESPN to
think that way.

4.  I agree that the decade in which NBC was the only network outlet and Curt
Gowdy the only pbp man hurt baseball--no offense to its excellent production and
Gowdy's abilities, but as Bud Blattner once said, you could have God on the air
and the public would eventually get tired of HIM!  Remember that it wasn't only
Dizzy Dean and CBS, but NBC did a game, first with Lindsey Nelson and then with
Bob Wolff--in other words, great announcers.  And in the 1950s and early 1960s,
it was the peak of the local radio guys, so there was a lot more to enjoy in the
broadcasts.  Now, with every team required to have an "analyst" who tells you
nothing and an entire roster for radio, TV and cable, it's no wonder the
broadcasts don't sing the way they used to.
Back to top


     IP Logged
DK073
God Member




Posts: 2230
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #95 - Yesterday at 14:34:54
Quote from onairb2 on Yesterday at 03:19:01:
That wasn't the last time CBS expressed interest in interleague games; after the
'Baseball Network' deal was terminated,and just before Fox and NBC (for
postseason games) emerged with the rights,  there were initial reports that CBS
would have a Thursday night package of West Coast interleague games starting in
'96, mostly scheduled for late night(11:30 ET/8:30 PT). This proposal never got
off the ground, most likely because of the timing( I guess the '96 schedule had
already been announced, and it would have been too costly to redo it, the games
would have had even later starts than the TBN West Coast games, and CBS wouldn't
have wanted to pre-empt Letterman), though I remember KNBR radio in San
Francisco reporting it as a done deal..but I think the Fox/NBC deal was
announced the same day, and CBS and baseball haven't been mentioned in the same
sentence ever since...except on the506.


I'm sorry, but I have to say it.. who made those reports, Wallyhorse?  That
sounds like exactly the type of thing he would try for.
Back to top


     IP Logged
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #96 - Yesterday at 15:35:28
Quote from Michael Green on Yesterday at 13:08:38:
A few points I'd like to add.

1.  I don't blame CBS for that contract (1990-93).  Peter Ueberroth was behind
that.  Supposedly, even if he had gone with NBC, he no longer wanted the Game of
the Week, and he did hold the post-season hostage to get bigger money,
especially since NBC and ABC had overpaid for the previous deal.


No argument.    Ueberroth deserves the blame for that, and combined with his
being the architect of collusion that makes him the worst commissioner of the
modern era, bar none.     Bud Selig at least has more things he can take credit
for.     For Ueberroth to not recognize the value of the GOTW shows how clueless
an individual he was.


Quote from Michael Green on Yesterday at 13:08:38:
2.  I note that Al Michaels was in the employ of ABC when it merged with ESPN. 
I also note that he did not attempt to do baseball.  Bob Costas pooh-poohed
doing play-by-play as well.  If they really wanted it, they could have done
something about it, even going the Dick Enberg route of joining a local team. 
It isn't as though they would have wound up panhandling.  That doesn't mean I
expected them to do that, but to say they had no chance to do baseball just
doesn't fly.


When you're overloaded with assignments for the network, I seriously doubt
that's going to give you incentive to then decide you're going to do assignments
for the cable channel.     Costas, I would note, *constantly* complained about
the loss of baseball for NBC on-air, arguing with Bill Parcells on-set on NFL
Live one night about what to watch when Game 7 of the 91 WS competed against
Giants-Redskins.      And the fact that he's now willing to do the occasional
PBP game for MLB Network I think speaks volumes to how much his regard for the
game remains.      My point is that Costas and Michaels should have been the
primary *network* voices of baseball through the 90s and 00s.    Instead, we got
Jack Buck (not suited for TV), Sean McDonough (competent but bland) and Joe
Buck.

Quote from Michael Green on Yesterday at 13:08:38:
3.  The only baseball broadcaster I hear today who even comes close to Vin
Scully--to the point that he would be allowed to touch Vin's briefcase, but not
necessarily carry it--is Jon Miller.  It saddens me that the country thinks of
him mainly as the pbp man next to Joe Morgan and, for a horrific year, Steve
Phillips.  He is a tremendous baseball broadcaster on the radio.  But he has
been stuck with a poor analyst for 20 seasons and with a network that is more
interested in itself than in anything else.


Whatever virtues Miller has as a radio broadcaster must evidently be confined to
the local market, because on those occasions where I have heard him doing the
World Series on ESPN Radio he has been just as impossible a listen as he is for
me on TV.    One year (approximately 2002 I think), I heard him lapsing into a
TV style of PBP where the description of what happened on-field came after the
play happened because he was wasting time making some other point that he didn't
want to break away from.
Back to top


     IP Logged
Motown Mike
Senior Member




Posts: 293
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #97 - Yesterday at 17:35:30
Quote from Michael Green on Yesterday at 13:08:38:
2.  I note that Al Michaels was in the employ of ABC when it merged with ESPN. 
I also note that he did not attempt to do baseball.


Actually, Michaels did try to get out of his ABC contract in 1990 so he could
jump to CBS and do baseball (and, presumably, be their #2 NFL guy behind
Summerall), but ABC wouldn't let him go.  As for calling games on ESPN, you know
he's never considered himself a "cable guy".

Quote:
3. The only baseball broadcaster I hear today who even comes close to Vin
Scully--to the point that he would be allowed to touch Vin's briefcase, but not
necessarily carry it--is Jon Miller. It saddens me that the country thinks of
him mainly as the pbp man next to Joe Morgan and, for a horrific year, Steve
Phillips. He is a tremendous baseball broadcaster on the radio. But he has been
stuck with a poor analyst for 20 seasons and with a network that is more
interested in itself than in anything else.


Even beyond that, I think doing baseball nationally is an inherently thankless
job, given the parochialism of the game's fans and the inevitable comparison
with beloved local TV and radio announcers. Even Scully, Michaels, Costas,
Gowdy, etc. - while retrospectively held up as exemplars of baseball
broadcasting in comparison with the Joe Bucks and Chip Carays of today - got
plenty of criticism back in the day for real or imagined biases, and for not
being as knowledgable about the teams their networks broadcast as those teams'
local announcers were.  It just seems to go with the territory.

I share your admiration of Miller's radio work, though. His Giants broadcasts
with Dave Flemming are an absolute pleasure to hear, and unlike epaddon I think
he's always done a fine job of "painting the word picture" and keeping Morgan on
a short leash on their World Series radiocasts.


Back to top


    IP Logged
garretta
God Member




Posts: 1013
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #98 - Yesterday at 18:40:23
If Al truly wanted to broadcast baseball, he would have done games on ESPN,
period. Or he would have done what Costas did and do some games for MLB Network
when there was no SNF conflict. For that matter, he had the chance to launch the
NFL Network's package and chose not to do that, either. (Don't know how long he
would have wanted to do two games a week, but he could have tried it for a year
and seen if it was possible; if not, we'd probably have Papa or someone like him
just like we do now.) He just wants to be a network broadcaster; doesn't matter
the sport or the network. Oh, except for that stupid college football stuff; he
wouldn't soil his hands with such as that.

To his credit, he claims not to miss baseball anymore; at least we don't have to
hear him whine about not doing the sport when he's had multiple opportunities
since ABC left the air for baseball for the lasst time in '96 and didn't pursue
one of them.


Back to top


     IP Logged
Stockpile
Senior Member




Posts: 345
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #99 - Yesterday at 22:40:47
If Michaels really wanted to do baseball, he could have on ESPN.  ABC was
already partners with ESPN in 1990 and ESPN had a ton of baseball inventory. 
Single games on Sunday, Monday or Tuesday.  DH on Wednesday and Fridays.  All
but the Sunday Night games had a backup game, which would be seen if a game got
over early, rain delay or got interesting.  Houston at LA was an A game, on a
Friday in April 1990 but the 9th Inning of Seattle at Oakland (B game) was seen
due to Seattle's Brian Holman in pursuit of a perfect game.  ESPN had the
inventory and would have loved to schedule Michaels but he doesn't due cable and
has hitched his broadcasting voice to the NFL.
Back to top

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1217315040/100

  "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedules (Read 4532 times)
epaddon
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 19
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #100 - Yesterday at 23:59:29
In fairness to Michaels, hitching himself to ESPN in 1990 would have also meant
being locked out of doing postseason baseball, and I'm sure that Michaels would
have been happy to find a way of doing baseball *if* it could also mean the
chance to do another World Series (hence the reason why he did make an attempt
in  1990 to bolt to CBS, which at the time knew they were in trouble right out
of the gate on baseball with prospective #1 voice Brent Musburger getting canned
ten days before the season started, and Jack Buck not clicking well with
McCarver at all).
Back to top


     IP Logged
wdoodlesonII
God Member




Posts: 2577
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #101 - Today at 01:36:05
Quote from Stockpile on Yesterday at 22:40:47:
If Michaels really wanted to do baseball, he could have on ESPN.  ABC was
already partners with ESPN in 1990 and ESPN had a ton of baseball inventory.


Recall ESPN and ABC Sports were still separately operated until about 1998 or
so- most joint programming before thatwas constituted of time-buys on ABC by
ESPN- the early 90's NHL games were among these-   and the crossover of
announcers between the 2 did not become common practice until a few years after
that
Back to top


     IP Logged
Michael Green
Full Member




Posts: 209
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #102 - Today at 01:56:42
Agreed and granted.  But if Costas or Michaels really wanted to do baseball,
they would have found a way to do it, even at the local level.  I am not
faulting them, but when they started rhapsodizing about their love for the game,
I get a little itchy.
Back to top


     IP Logged
wdoodlesonII
God Member




Posts: 2577
Re: "Baseball Night in America" on ABC/NBC Schedul
Reply #103 - Today at 03:06:30
Quote from Michael Green on Today at 01:56:42:
Agreed and granted.  But if Costas or Michaels really wanted to do baseball,
they would have found a way to do it, even at the local level.  I am not
faulting them, but when they started rhapsodizing about their love for the game,
I get a little itchy.


Costas did turn down ESPN and a baseball role there in 2002 to remain at HBO
Back to top

--- In ABC_Sports_Tribute_Page@yahoogroups.com, "Terrence C" <tmc_6882part2@...>
wrote:
>
> http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1242143625/25#25
>
> Quote from ZenoZone on 10/23/09 at 12:47:10:
> Another interesting tidbit from the 1971-1985 Indy 500 tape delayed
broadcasts...
>
> The commentary was done live for the pre-race, the start, and about the first
5-10 laps. Then they'd cut to commercial. At that point, the broadcast was
recorded without commentary. Depending upon the competitiveness of the race, the
producers would put the commentators back in the booth for about the last 10
laps. That way the call of the finish would be "spontaneous."
>
> The rest of the commentary was done after-the-fact in post-production. So in
essence, the commentators already knew who won when they were calling segments
of the race! The segments were edited and pieced together. Usually they'd skip
huge portions of the race and cut to pre-recorded "personal" segments. A race
which took 3.5 hours (not including pre and post race) was squeezed into a 2 or
3 hour time slot.
>
>
>
> And there is a strong case to be made that this style of broadcasting in which
the commentary was all after-the-fact was the direct cause of the 1981 race
fiasco that resulted in Bobby Unser being penalized the next day, and the race
awarded to Mario Andretti.      It was only because of the protest filed by
Andretti that ABC decided to focus on footage of Unser seemingly illegally
passing cars under the yellow flag and both Jim McKay and Jackie Stewart chose
to harp extensively about it......ONLY because in their artificial
after-the-fact call, they knew of the Andretti protest and thus chose to frame
their delayed broadcast around this budding controversy even though Unser was
insistent that he had properly blended in under the yellow according to the
rules agreed on before.      But because ABC and Jackie Stewart were making such
a big deal focusing on "What is Bobby Unser doing????" public perception pegged
Unser as a cheater and thus made the initial decision to award the race to
Andretti seem like the "right" one.
>
> Ultimately, Unser appealed the ruling and was reinstated as race winner five
months later.    But even though he went on to work for ABC years later and did
the 500 broadcast for many years, he was always vehement about how the network
had treated him that day.      ABC apparently was so determined to manufacture a
storyline of Unser as cheater with something to hide that on the live part of
the broadcast at 11 PM as they were going to sign off they did *not* have a live
interview with Unser as race winner, as was the custom in the past, but instead
interviewed Andretti over the protest and then said that they couldn't get in
touch with Unser as if he was trying to duck them.       Years later on an ESPN
Classic "Big Ticket" replay of the race, Unser flat-out called Jim McKay a liar,
saying he was in the Speedway Hojo's that night and that they knew where to
reach him.
>
> It was probably no coincidence that because of his role in inflating the
controversy in the broadcast, ABC demoted Jackie Stewart in 1982 and elevated
Sam Posey to the position of main race analyst.
>
http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1242143625/25#25

Quote from epaddon on 12/01/09 at 23:53:58:
In '87, Al Trautwig was demoted from pit reporter to doing those kinds of fluffy
features.    At one point they showed him peering in on a couple of the foreign
broadcast trucks, but for the most part had him following the storyline of
slowest qualifier Steve Chassey.     Then after '87, I think ABC recognized that
they were doing just fine without that kind of filler feature material and just
confined their broadcast crew to the serious nuts and bolts of the race action.
That whole reasoning was strange because CBS had been doing the flag-to-flag
Daytona 500 since 1979, and the Michigan 500 was shown live, and they had no
problem keeping the audience's attention.

However, the change probably had more to do with the changes at the netowrk in
1988. The live broadcasts in 1986-1987 were under Roone Arledge, directed by
Larry Kamm's team. And ABC treated the broadcasts in the Jim McKay-esque "event
telecast" fashion. For 1988, Don Ohlmyer was brought in, and the broadcasts
changed dramatically. They became "race broadcasts" instead of "event"
broadcasts. Most of that fluff was eliminated entirely.

In 1988, strangely, they only had 2 pit reporters. I can't figure out if they
planned it that way, or had a last-minute change of plans. As we all know, the
pit lane at Indy is LONG (almost a half mile) and the '88 race had very hot
weather. Jack Arute and Brian Hammons (now the Golf Channel guy) must have been
sweating, huffin' and puffin' running back and forth.



True, the production team did change for 88 with Ohlmeyer's arrival, though to
be technically true it would have been Arledge holdovers rather than Arledge
producing the race since his role with ABC Sports ended in early 86 (save for
the 88 Winter Olympics).

Brian Hammons was never that good and I was glad that come 1990, they got Gary
Gerrould, meaning ABC now had the best of NBC's mid-80s Indy race team
broadcasters (Page-Unser-Gerould).

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1242143625/25#25

Quote from ZenoZone on 10/23/09 at 12:47:10:
Another interesting tidbit from the 1971-1985 Indy 500 tape delayed
broadcasts...

The commentary was done live for the pre-race, the start, and about the first
5-10 laps. Then they'd cut to commercial. At that point, the broadcast was
recorded without commentary. Depending upon the competitiveness of the race, the
producers would put the commentators back in the booth for about the last 10
laps. That way the call of the finish would be "spontaneous."

The rest of the commentary was done after-the-fact in post-production. So in
essence, the commentators already knew who won when they were calling segments
of the race! The segments were edited and pieced together. Usually they'd skip
huge portions of the race and cut to pre-recorded "personal" segments. A race
which took 3.5 hours (not including pre and post race) was squeezed into a 2 or
3 hour time slot.



And there is a strong case to be made that this style of broadcasting in which
the commentary was all after-the-fact was the direct cause of the 1981 race
fiasco that resulted in Bobby Unser being penalized the next day, and the race
awarded to Mario Andretti.      It was only because of the protest filed by
Andretti that ABC decided to focus on footage of Unser seemingly illegally
passing cars under the yellow flag and both Jim McKay and Jackie Stewart chose
to harp extensively about it......ONLY because in their artificial
after-the-fact call, they knew of the Andretti protest and thus chose to frame
their delayed broadcast around this budding controversy even though Unser was
insistent that he had properly blended in under the yellow according to the
rules agreed on before.      But because ABC and Jackie Stewart were making such
a big deal focusing on "What is Bobby Unser doing????" public perception pegged
Unser as a cheater and thus made the initial decision to award the race to
Andretti seem like the "right" one.

Ultimately, Unser appealed the ruling and was reinstated as race winner five
months later.    But even though he went on to work for ABC years later and did
the 500 broadcast for many years, he was always vehement about how the network
had treated him that day.      ABC apparently was so determined to manufacture a
storyline of Unser as cheater with something to hide that on the live part of
the broadcast at 11 PM as they were going to sign off they did *not* have a live
interview with Unser as race winner, as was the custom in the past, but instead
interviewed Andretti over the protest and then said that they couldn't get in
touch with Unser as if he was trying to duck them.       Years later on an ESPN
Classic "Big Ticket" replay of the race, Unser flat-out called Jim McKay a liar,
saying he was in the Speedway Hojo's that night and that they knew where to
reach him.

It was probably no coincidence that because of his role in inflating the
controversy in the broadcast, ABC demoted Jackie Stewart in 1982 and elevated
Sam Posey to the position of main race analyst.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1120908/index.htm

Before anybody turns up his turbocharger and gives a boost to ABC-TV for its
smooth coverage of the Indianapolis 500 on Sunday, two points should be made.
First, a good 85% of the network's announcing, heard via tape more than five
hours after the race had finished, was pure theater. Get this: Race caller Jim
McKay and analyst Sam Posey knew almost the whole time that Tom Sneva would win.
They were acting. Their voices were laid over the tape after the fact. Second,
radio, not television, afforded the only timely comprehensive coverage of the
race. Paul Page, the voice of the Indy 500, created word pictures that were
vivid and authentic.

ABC has become so adept at faking in Indianapolis—this was the network's 13th
straight 500—that the phoniness probably slips by most viewers. Only the first
five laps and last five are covered "live," meaning that the voices of McKay and
Posey are recorded at the moment those laps are run. The rest of the broadcast
is ersatz. McKay and Posey camp themselves in a recording truck with cue sheets
in hand. As the taped segments come up, and at the very moment they are aired to
an estimated 40 million viewers, the announcers start talking. Lights, camera,
voice-over!

The illusion can make for high drama. McKay to Posey, hours after a crash in
which Mario Andretti wasn't injured: "Mario appears to be unconscious. His head
is not moving. Let's hope his legs aren't pinned." Sometimes the announcers
telegraph the outcome. Before Danny Ongais' crumpled body was extracted from the
wreckage of his car after a gruesome accident in 1981, not a few witnesses
thought he was dead. In his voice-over, Jackie Stewart, Posey's predecessor as
the analyst, said Ongais appeared to have a badly broken leg. Hospital bulletin
that evening: badly broken leg. And there was the 1981 furor when winner Bobby
Unser illegally passed cars during a caution lap. With the benefit of hindsight,
McKay and Stewart noticed it right off.

All the networks fake their coverage of things like cliff diving from Acapulco
or mixed-pairs bodybuilding from Passaic. Further, ABC doesn't air a canned 500
by choice. For years it has badgered the Indianapolis Motor Speedway to allow a
live broadcast, but the track is fearful of jeopardizing its massive live gate.
And the race is going to remain on tape for at least a while, which raises the
question of what to do about Suspense Theater.

Chuck Howard, ABC Sports' vice-president for program production, defends the
theatrics on unusual grounds—journalism. Here's his brief: Because ABC carries
the race for only three hours and because the network has to make time for
commercials and special interviews, only about 40% of the action ever sees the
light of day. Say laps 65 through 92 are among those that wind up on the
cutting-room floor. If McKay had been announcing live, important observations
might have been lost. With the voice-over he can weave all the story lines into
a nice, understandable tapestry.

The feeling here is that theater in the guise of journalism still amounts to
theater. One alternative is for ABC to televise the 500 tape in its entirety,
with the commentators working straight. Another is to fess up and superimpose
something like "Simulated Live Announcing" on the picture every so often. ABC
says that the former might bore some viewers and that the latter might embarrass
the network. So?

On the surface, you wouldn't have bet on the radio guys to win the checkered
flag. Last year ABC got four Emmys for its Indy coverage. As far as is known.
Page didn't even get a free meal at St. Elmo's Steakhouse in downtown
Indianapolis. The I.M.S. Radio Network can only guess how many people its 700
affiliates reach. Suffice it to say that the network, now 32 years old, reaches
the likes of Chicago, Lewistown, Mont. and 10,000 service-station lube bays
coast to coast.

For all of ABC's artistry—Posey has become a superb analyst, and director Larry
Kamm's cameras caught all of the action—Page and his 13 cohorts stationed around
the track accomplished what their TV rivals didn't. The radio voices were
genuine, not staged. There's no substitute for authenticity. As they relayed the
call around the track among themselves, a listener could see in his mind's eye
the sun glinting off Al Unser's brilliant yellow No. 7 and hear the engines 20
yards away. It was vintage live radio. As Page said before the race, "If you
want to feel the emotion of the event, then you come live it with us."

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1259294102

I recently downloaded a copy of the 1969 NBA all star game from an original
broadcast, and noticed something quite interesting. Early in the game, it was
said they were gonna go away till the 2nd half for coverage of the State of the
Union by President Eisenhower (faux pas?). When the time came for them to cut
away, the game continued and was able to be seen still, just without announcers.
I am assuming this particular copy of the game came direct from ABC's own
archives or something, since the entire game was able to be seen on the copy,
with nothing cut from it pretty much.

This brought to mind a question, in the 1973 all star game, ABC cut away with
about 2 minutes left in the 2nd quarter, to cover a speech from then President
Nixon. In the copy of that game that I have, the speech is included, with the
action left in the 1st half going unseen. I am just curious, if a copy of the
1969 game in full exists, is there a similar copy out there for the 1973 game?



Quote from BWBarefoot on Yesterday at 06:07:07:
Wow.  That's interesting.

This raises the question as to why the NBA didn't schedule the games so that
they would not interfere with the speeches.  The State of the Union is scheduled
well in advance, so the league couldn't use that as an excuse.


Just for the record the 1973 game wasn't interrupted by a state of the union, it
was a speech Nixon gave from the White House with regards to the war in Vietnam.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/sports/tv-sports-quiet-talks-for-baseball.html\
?scp=1&sq=Major+League+Baseball+on+ABC&st=nyt

By Michael Goodwin
Published: Tuesday, February 10, 1987
Sign In to E-Mail


Reprints

Share
Close
LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkIn terms of dollars, the
largest television sports contracts being negotiated are those involving the
National Football League and the three major networks.

But in terms of importance to the beleaguered TV sports industry, the football
discussions may be in second place. The top spot could go to the quiet talks ABC
and NBC are having with major league baseball.

That's because the baseball talks could achieve something dear to the hearts of
TV executives -renegotiation of a losing deal. ABC and NBC are halfway through
the six-year contracts totaling $1.1 billion they have with baseball, and
neither is happy, especially ABC.

''It's ugly,'' Dennis Swanson, the president of ABC Sports, said of the millions
his company is losing. There are reports that things were so grim that ABC was
willing to pay a hefty penalty to get out of the contract.

The networks have been losing money on many deals recently, largely because of a
sluggish advertising market and rising costs. Baseball has been a particular
concern both because of the large dollars involved - ABC and NBC will pay about
$200 million this year - and because the contracts have three more years to run.

While an agreement by baseball to renegotiate would not be unique in the
industry, it would be important because of the size and because the major sports
leagues traditionally have opposed renegotiation. The N.F.L., for example,
declined to change the terms of its most recent TV contracts despite heavy
losses by the networks. Football is talking now because its contracts have
expired.

Will baseball owners, who balk at renegotiating with players, oblige the
networks?

''I don't know,'' said Peter Ueberroth, the commissioner. ''We have a
partnership with the networks. Of course, you want to be healthy, but you want
your partner healthy, too.''

Ueberroth, in a recent telephone interview, was vague about how far baseball
would go, but he left the impression that renegotiation was possible.

''I honestly believe,'' he said, ''the networks are not making money on
baseball.'' He quickly added that he also believed it was not in baseball's
interest to have the networks seeking revenge at the next round of scheduled
talks.

Thus, the current, unscheduled ones, which the commissioner called ''always
ongoing.'' Once again he sought to demonstrate his seriousness by saying that
while such discussions run hot and cold, ''this is not a particularly cooled
down time.'' O.K., how serious is this? ''No comment,'' said one usually
gregarious TV executive. All the smoke does not mean the old contracts soon will
be scrapped, according to several participants, who said, along with Ueberroth,
that nothing would probably happen this season. Still, there was widespread
agreement that changes could come before the scheduled expiration of the
contracts, which is after the 1989 season.

Several of those involved said one option was adding several years to the
current contracts, with baseball giving the networks reduced rates for the added
years and agreeing to spread out the remaining payments. That way, the networks
would still pay the $625 million they owe, and then some, but over a longer
period of time.

There are two reasons why baseball would consider such a move: It would lock the
networks into a longer deal, and it would prevent a sudden drop in TV revenues
after 1989. Even Ueberroth concedes that the money troubles at the networks mean
the next baseball contracts are likely to be smaller, with the teams, which
share equally in network payments, making less from the networks in 1990 than in
1987. And Ueberroth, who has made ''fiscal sanity'' something of an owner
mantra, is not anxious to see any teams going broke because of TV.

The prime mover behind the talks is ABC, which, according to some estimate,
could lose $200 million over the six years. The contracts, which call for ABC to
pay more than half of the $1.1 billion, give NBC exclusive rights to Saturday
afternoon games and ABC exclusive rights to Monday nights. The networks
alternate the World Series and league championships. Part of ABC's problem is
that it uses only eight of the 20 Monday games it bought each year.

That it bought 20 games, then decided to show other programs on 12 Mondays, is
one reason why rival executives refer to the ABC baseball deal as the worst ever
negotiated. Another reason is a belief that ABC paid too much, regardless of how
many games it shows.

''Three years ago, we believed ABC's package was overpriced by $175 million,''
said Neil Pilson, the president of CBS Sports. ''We still believe it's
overpriced by $175 million.''

But did ABC become so desperate that it offered to pay baseball as much as $50
million to void the contract?

Pilson says so, adding that CBS was recently offered ABC's package, minus a
penalty fee, but declined.

Swanson paused when asked whether ABC had tried to get out of the deal. ''No,
not really,'' he said. ''Not with any specifics.'' Said Ueberroth: ''It could
have happened a long time ago. I'm not saying it did or didn't.'' Later, he
added: ''There's always hallway talk. But I don't think anything formal
happened. Not in any real sense.''

http://www.abcsportsalumni.tv/wordpress/

We've launched a NEW ABC Sports Alumni website!
ThIS Yahoo site is just too clunky, and un-user-friendly.

So . . .

Hope you'll find the new site easier to use - and more inviting.

We made it very simple. Down the road, as we get more users, we'll add
more/better features. In the meantime, please feel free to offer suggestions.

Follow the directions below (you might consider printing this email,) register,
and OFF WE GO!

Enjoy.

gsm
gsmason40@...
_______________________________

HOME PAGE (PUBLIC)

- Click on: http://www.abcsportsalumni.tv

- The slideshow has over 350 photos - from the old days - randomly selected to
give a good cross-section (see more later in the PHOTOS section.)
- If you see a photo you'd like to "linger" on, just click the photo once, and
it will freeze the slideshow. Click again to release.
- Below the slideshow, click the arrow button to PLAY the Medley. PAUSE button
will stop the music. SPEAKER button manages the volume.

now . . .

YOU MUST REGISTER! (This is a one-time only process.)

Click on: http://www.abcsportsalumni.tv/wordpress/wp-login.php?action=register

Fill in the information. YOU WILL BE ASKED TO ENTER AN INVITATION CODE . . . IT
IS: 458976

You will immediately receive an email to validate your registration.
Once you validate as per the instructions in this email, YOU'RE IN!!
(If you do not receive this email, suggest you check your SPAM mailbox.)

HOME PAGE (MEMBERS ONLY)
- You will see six tabs at the top . . .

MEMBERS LIST TAB
- This list will be populated as members register (during your initial LOG IN
process,) and will be largely self-explanatory. One new feature: clicking on a
member's email address will enable you to send that member a PM (Private
Message.)

MESSAGE BOARD TAB
- Click on this tab to see a list of messages which have been posted by members
(only!) - as well as the number of comments (if any) on that particular TOPIC.
- Once you click on the message, you will be able to read ALL comments made in
response to that Topic.
- Click the COMPOSE button to post your own message.
- The MY INBOX button takes you to private messages which have been sent to you.

- Later on - down the road - we'll add Facebook/Twitter/etc interface . . . once
we get everyone migrated over from the Yahoo site.

PHOTOS TAB
(Many of which have been kindly supplied by our friends in the ABC Photo Dept.)
- I have (arbitrarily) arranged this section into six albums - just to get us
started. This is NOT to suggest that we want to limit the albums that you'd
like to browse - and even post yourself. But for the time being . . . if there
are photos you'd like to share with us all, just email them to me, and I'll post
them asap. At some point soon, we'll have it programmed so that you can save me
the time and trouble.
- The POTPOURRI album drives the slideshow on the HOME PAGE.
- Click on "View with PicLens" to view each photo individually.
- The five other albums are self-explanatory.
- Just click/drag (to your desktop) on a photo to save it for yourself.

IN MEMORIAM TAB
- Will be updated as necessary.

LOGOUT TAB
- To go elsewhere!

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/64174

ohn Skipper,
ESPN executive vice president of content

Skipper calls the September 2006 re-opening of the Superdome in New Orleans the
best moment he's personally experienced with "Monday Night Football." It
happened within the first month of ESPN televising the games.

"When the Saints blocked that punt and scored, I have never heard it louder on
`Monday Night Football.' It just felt really important. It felt like it was
almost some sort of mystical power working in there."


The finality of MNF on ABC
affected more than NFL fans.
Fred Gaudelli,
NBC producer of "Sunday Night Football"
(MNF producer from 2001-05)

One of the franchise's starkest memories for Gaudelli came in December 2005,
when ABC ended its 36-year run broadcasting "Monday Night Football" with a
Patriots win over the Jets. "We had a few wonderful elements in the show, but as
we played the close in the final production meeting — Hank Williams singing
"turn out the lights" set to highlights of 36 years — I looked around the room
and saw tears just about in everyone's eyes, including Al's, John's and our
special guest Frank Gifford. It struck me then, we were saying goodbye to a very
special era, one that would never be the same again."

Jay Rothman,
ESPN's MNF producer


U2 and Green Day perform during re-opening
of Superdome
Rothman says he will never forget the September 2006 re-opening of the
Superdome. "I didn't realize how big that game was until the day afterwards. I
knew the responsibility we had that night and I thought we did a really good job
executing, but I still didn't understand the impact we had. The next day I was
bombarded with e-mails, including one from someone who worked for many years on
ABC's `Monday Night Football.' He said that in all the games, he's never been
more proud of a `Monday Night Football' telecast, and that meant a lot to me."

Frank Gifford,
former MNF analyst


When asked at an industry function to pick a memorable moment from his time on
the show, Gifford brought up the night John Lennon was assassinated. "I remember
refusing to let Howard [Cosell] make that announcement on the air until we knew
for certain that it had indeed happened," Gifford said on a conference call
earlier this fall. "It had been just two to three years before that I had
invited John Lennon to be in our booth in Los Angeles. … It was an interesting
night because we also had Ronald Reagan. … Howard was scheduled to interview
[former California] Gov. Reagan at halftime and he turned around and immediately
saw that John Lennon was also there. He said, `Gifford, you take the governor
and I'll take the Beatle.'"

Howard Katz,
NFL senior vice president of broadcasting and media operations

Katz was a production assistant for MNF in 1972 and 1973. "It was a wild ride
back in those days. We called it the `Brother Love Traveling Salvation Show.'"
What are his most significant moments from then? "Nothing I would want to
print."


Chip Dean,
ESPN's MNF director

"Before our first `Monday Night Football' game in 2006, I got an e-mail from a
fellow ESPN employee who worked with me on the original overnight `SportsCenter'
between 1980 to '83. He told me, `The shareholders and all of our 401Ks are
counting on you.' Before the game on the field an executive turned to me and
said, `The weight of the network is on your shoulders.' I never get nervous
before a game, but that's the first time I felt the butterflies and realized how
big this was for us."

Mike Tirico,
ESPN's MNF play-by-play commentator


Grieving Favre's special night in 2003
stands out for Esocoff.
"Throughout my career, there have been a litany of explanations my wife and I
have used to describe my job — works at ESPN, NBA, college football, golf, ESPN
Radio host, etc. Once you get this job, people know what `Monday Night Football'
is. That's all you have to say, so it's made the explanation a lot simpler. When
I'm traveling and in an airport, or in other public places, I'm now `Monday
Night Football guy' instead of, `Aren't you the guy on ESPN?'"

Drew Esocoff,
NBC director of "Sunday Night Football"
(MNF director from 2000-05)

Esocoff best remembers the December 2003 game when the Packers beat the Raiders
41-7, one night after Brett Favre's father died. Favre passed for 399 yards and
four touchdowns. "It just seemed like every teammate made every play like it was
only for Brett."

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/64132

By JOHN OURAND
Staff writer
Published November 23, 2009 : Page 01
ESPN cameras were focused on Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes as the couple stood on
the FedEx Field turf just before ESPN's first regular-season "Monday Night
Football" game in September 2006.

Cruise and Holmes were guests of Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, but
for ESPN executives, they provided the perfect imagery as the network took
control of the high-profile NFL series. The presence of the Hollywood stars
recalled the early days of "Monday Night Football," when celebrities like John
Lennon and John Wayne would drop by the booth and banter with the announcers,
creating watercooler talk for the next day.

For more than three decades, "Monday Night Football" was the NFL's biggest
weekly event, and ESPN executives were eager to put their own stamp on it — so
much so that ESPN's John Skipper advocated dumping Hank Williams Jr.'s "Are You
Ready for Some Football?" intro before ESPN's Norby Williamson talked him into
keeping it.

The Disney-owned network followed the historical playbook. It hired Tony
Kornheiser to fill the Howard Cosell role, and it planned a steady stream of
celebrity interviews and cultural touch points that only tangentially dealt with
football.

It would be the perfect mix of ESPN's hip and brash style with the pop-culture
traditions of "Monday Night Football." The series had just ended a 36-year run
on ABC but had floundered at the end of it. Its final year on ABC, in 2005, saw
the series' lowest rating, a 10.8 average. More importantly, the franchise
produced far less buzz. ESPN was set to change that, and the opening night just
outside of Washington, D.C., was going to be the start of that new era.

On the surface, the move was smooth. Ad sales were robust, and ESPN's ratings,
while lower than ABC's, still dwarfed everything else on cable.

But cracks showed immediately. Kornheiser did not mesh with fellow analyst Joe
Theismann, and ESPN's slate of games was much less compelling than NBC's new
Sunday night prime-time schedule.

Viewers and critics panned the forced celebrity interviews. In its first year,
following a bizarre booth appearance by actor Christian Slater, CNN.com posted a
column titled "Why I hate `Monday Night Football,'" which cited "over-the-top
plugs for ABC and annoying celebrity interviews."

ESPN wasn't deterred and kept interviewing celebrities into its second season,
culminating in a ribald October 2007 appearance by comedian Jimmy Kimmel that
was bashed by critics and ESPN executives after he took cheap shots at
Kornheiser and his then-former colleague Theismann. Ron Jaworski had replaced
Theismann after the 2006 season.

"We got ourselves excited that we had to recapture the glory of `Monday Night
Football' and bring guests to the booth and do all this
bigger-than-just-football stuff," said Skipper, ESPN's executive vice president
of content. "I recently have come to believe that when `Monday Night Football'
did all that stuff, it was a different world. There were only three channels,
and you were fighting for a big piece of a pie. Most of the people that come now
are football fans."

And all of the people in the booth now are football experts. This past
offseason, ESPN chose former coach Jon Gruden to replace humor/sportswriter
Kornheiser, further emphasizing its move toward all things football. Last week,
Gruden agreed to a multiyear extension to stay at ESPN.

"If you have Gruden in the booth with Jaworski, it's common sense that you're
going to dive into the execution and the strategy of the game in front of you,"
said Williamson, ESPN's executive vice president of production.

ESPN also decided to can in-the-booth interviews; curtailed talk of cultural
trends during the game; and brought less talent and production to each game,
giving the telecasts less of a circus-like atmosphere and allowing the network
to focus on the game at hand.

"We have less studio shows at the event," Skipper said. "We have less guests in
the booth. If you went back to look at the games, you'd see these packages where
we were trying to reflect cultural things. We've got less of those. Now, we just
let the guys do the game. I think people are responding to that."

ESPN also worked closely with the NFL on creating a schedule that, while not
getting the best games, will feature compelling matchups.

Coincidence or not, the TV numbers for "Monday Night Football" in its 40th
season have skyrocketed.

Through the first 10 games of the season, the venerable series pulled its
highest ratings since it moved to ESPN, and nine of the 10 games posted a
viewership increase from last year.

So far this season, "Monday Night Football" has averaged 14.573 million viewers,
topping the previous high (12.955 million in 2006) by more than 12 percent. The
cable number does still fall below 2005's 15.9 million viewers, which was an
all-time low in 36 years on ABC, as well as the mark for NBC's prime-time
package, which was averaging 19.452 million viewers through its first 10 games
this year. Still, it's the gains that are notable.

"ESPN stopped treating it as a marketing stunt and has focused on the product
and on football," said Mark Lazarus, the former Turner Sports head who is now
president of media and marketing for Career Sports & Entertainment. "And that
has been to their benefit."

Advertisers are responding, as well. The strong ratings are helping ESPN's ad
sales efforts this season, especially since the network held inventory back for
the scatter market.

"`Monday Night Football' is benefiting from higher ratings so that we are able
to put inventory that we set aside for make-goods back into sale," said Ed
Erhardt, ESPN's president of customer marketing and sales. "You can sell the
scatter in a strong market; you can sell the unit because you have the ratings
points."

But this year's renaissance of "Monday Night Football" is more than just ratings
and ad sales. Sports industry executives notice a bigger feel to the games, with
more big games peppering ESPN's schedule.

"I don't care if it's on ABC or ESPN," Lazarus said. "The league created and
intended for `Monday Night Football' to be a happening. And it is."

One of ESPN's games this year, Brett Favre's first game against the Packers in
Week 4, drew a cable-record audience of 21.839 million viewers. Its opening
telecast of the season documented Patriots quarterback Tom Brady's first game
back from knee surgery and logged an average of 14.001 million viewers.

This season, ESPN's "Monday Night Football" games account for cable's 10 biggest
audiences in 2009.

Howard Katz, the NFL's senior vice president of broadcasting and media
operations, is the executive tasked with creating the broadcasters' schedules.
He said the best "Monday Night Football" games on ESPN are the ones that allow
the network to advance story lines across its TV, broadband and mobile
platforms. ESPN executives have long said that they view "Monday Night Football"
as much more than a three-hour window, and it's clear that the NFL agrees.

"We look for opportunities for ESPN to tell stories," Katz said. "They do that
so well and can support `Monday Night Football' with other programming."

The difference this year is that ESPN has been telling those stories during its
90-minute pregame show and its shoulder programming on Monday afternoons rather
than during the telecast. As an example, Williamson pointed to the Oct. 26
Eagles-Redskins game, which occurred just days after the Redskins stripped coach
Jim Zorn of his play-calling duties. The team had Sherman Lewis call the
offensive plays even though weeks before he had been calling bingo games while
in quasi-retirement.

One of ESPN's features involved interviews with people who played bingo with
Lewis. The network decided to run it during its pregame show.

"Sometimes in the past, maybe we felt compelled to force that into the game. I
think you learn from that over time," Williamson said.

All of ESPN's executives emphasized that they're proud of the first three years
they produced "Monday Night Football" games, saying that the franchise will
constantly be tweaked as it moves forward, but it's likely to retain a football
focus for the foreseeable future.

"It's very easy to take chances with things that are under the radar,"
Williamson said. "We take educated risks. We tweak things as we get feedback
from fans. We're not going to back off of that."

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1221169782/50#50

I'll post the whole article here (got this from Newsbank):

COSELL IS BACK MONDAY NIGHT BASEBALL REACQUAINTS VIEWERS
Boston Globe - Friday, June 21, 1985
Author: Jack Craig, Globe Staff

Howard Cosell has left the impression for quite a while of being a fellow who
has lost his way on team sports broadcasts, and his performance on ABC's Monday
Night Baseball Mets-Cubs broadcast (Channel 5) strengthened that suspicion.

It was Cosell's first such broadcast since last fall's American League playoffs,
when he jousted so often with Al Michaels on play-by-play that what began as a
curiosity ended as a distraction.

Cosell and Michaels were reunited Monday at Shea Stadium, with Jim Palmer also
working, and this time the exchanges often were lively but not excessive.
However, Cosell got into trouble, as usually happens to him on baseball when he
tries to deliver a lecture on the obvious or travel down memory lane.

It's as if Cosell doesn't realize that millions of others also can call up vivid
images of a generation of players past.

As usual, Cosell occasionally interrupted Michaels and Palmer. He has done just
that for so long that his colleagues merely shrug.

"All things considered, it was a good broadcast," Michaels said of Monday
night's telecast with Cosell, a safe, yet vague summary of the long evening.
Michaels has worked with Cosell frequently enough not to be surprised by
anything that is said in the broadcast booth.

No matter how often the tape is rerun of Chris Chambliss' home run that enabled
the Yankees to steal the 1976 pennant from the Royals, it is still astounding
that Cosell yanked the microphone from Keith Jackson and held onto it with a
pitched voice as Chambliss rounded first base.

An ABC director once explained these impolite interruptions as Cosell's honest
belief that he is the major announcer in the booth on any sports event and that
he is expected to take command when a dramatic moment arrives.

How then would a pop psychologist explain Cosell's name-dropping, which reached
its nadir Monday night, even by his standards. It was set up when Michaels noted
that ABC's "Nightline" later that evening would focus on the hijacking drama and
host Ted Koppel's guest would be Henry Kissinger.

Cosell responded that he had seen Kissinger at lunch that very afternoon and the
latter had not mentioned he would be on the program. The Kissinger connection
wasn't the only Cosell name-drop on the broadcast. While recently visiting the
wailing wall at Jerusalem, Cosell said, he met Don Shula.

None of this was even remotely linked to the game in progress, which is the way
Cosell has been operating these days, as he wanders off the diamond to talk
about himself.

It is not so surprising that after three decades in sports broadcasting, a man
with an ego so large he makes his peers, many of whom have large egos
themselves, seem humble, would finally and almost irrevocably be turned off.

The reaction at ABC this week to Monday night's braodcast was to pronounce
Cosell a success. "He was a positive force. He made the game more interesting
with his byplay," said Jim Spence, ABC Sports vice president. He said Cosell
will participate in the five remaining Monday night telecasts this season, in
any Sunday afternoon games carried in September, and in the World Series that
ABC will cover if a player strike does not take place.

For a salary exceeding $1 million a year, that is the least Cosell should do
after walking away from boxing two years ago and from Monday night football last
fall, declaring the former morally corrupt and the latter irrelevent.

He did participate this spring in the network's coverage of the Kentucky Derby
and Preakness, a tennis tournament and amateur boxing. Cosell also was the
principal boxing announcer for ABC's 1984 Summer Olympics, where his description
of some bouts left a doubt - no fooling - about his eyesight.

His main event on ABC now is SportsBeat, a half-hour weekly program, the only
network sports news program and the least-watched sports series ever. It would
have expired by now except for the prominence of the host, but even Cosell may
not be able to salvage it after this year.

Cosell is also a unique personality, unlikely to be duplicated. His notoriety
carried such impact when he came upon the scene in the '60s that, on balance, he
was deemed a positive force.

Anyone else who received such a rude reception as Cosell did on Monday night
from the Shea crowd when his presence was announced on the scoreboard would be
in deep trouble. Instead, it probably was interpreted by his bosses as proof
that he still draws a response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0dSPlBHC4A

http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/2009/11/patscolts-classic-boosts-nbc.html

Patriots/Colts was just the latest big draw for NBC Sunday Night Football, which
is averaging the most viewers for an NFL primetime package in over a decade.

Sunday's Patriots/Colts game drew a 13.7/21 final rating and 22.4 million
viewers on NBC, up 25% and 27%, respectively, from last year's comparable
Giants/Eagles game (11.0/18, 17.6 mil). The game was the second most-viewed NFL
telecast of Week 10, behind only the national window on FOX (15.9/29, 26.7 mil).

Patriots/Colts ranks as the second-highest rated, second-most viewed Sunday
Night Football game of the season, behind only Giants/Cowboys in Week 2 (15.1,
24.8 mil), and ahead of the previous #2 game -- last week's Cowboys/Eagles
matchup (13.1, 21.9 mil).

Additionally, the game stands as the fourth-most viewed regular season NFL
telecast on NBC since the network resumed airing games in '06. Overall, 5 of the
10 most-viewed regular season games on NBC since '06 have taken place this
season.

Through Week 10, NBC is averaging a 12.0/19 rating and 19.8 million viewers for
Sunday Night Football, up 20% and 22%, respectively, from a 10.0 and 16.2
million through Week 10 last season.

The 19.8 million viewers is the most for an NFL primetime package through this
point in the season since '97, when Monday Night Football on ABC averaged 20.6
million.This marks the first time in the decade that an NFL primetime package
has averaged at least 19 million viewers through Week 10 of the season.

Since the start of the NFL season, Sunday Night Football ranks as the highest
rated, most-viewed program on television. Additionally, SNF is the top program
among adults 18-49 (7.8), 18-34 (6.9) and 25-54 (8.4), as well as all key male
demos.

Viewership for NFL primetime broadcast package since '97
* Sunday Night Football from '06-'09; Monday Night Football from '97-'05
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2745/4115014649_907c3e5c33.jpg

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1258277727;start=all



Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register.


11/17/09 at 14:00:57
News: There is no point in doing NBC, ESPN or NFL Network maps, so don't ask me
to make them.



The506 Broadcast Maps Forum › the506.com Forums › NFL TV Distribution
(Moderator: JP)  ‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›
  Pages: 1

  Worst Prime Time Games (Read 1679 times)
Eksynyt
Full Member




Posts: 195
Gender:
Worst Prime Time Games
11/15/09 at 05:35:27
In honor of this week's Monday Night Football matchup, I'm curious as to which
games were the "worst" primetime games in recent memory (primarily SNF and MNF
not so much the NFL Network games).  I remember back before they did flex
scheduling when MNF was back on ABC that there were several times that games at
the end of a season turned out to be complete dogs.  Like in 1999 when the
Falcons sucked after their great 1998 season, I remember at least one terrible
game I think.  Also, I think in 2001 or so, the 0-4 Redskins played the 0-4
Cowboys on MNF and they kept showing old clips of classic 'Skins-'Boys games to
pass the time...I remember that 2001 game being horrible IIRC.  This would
really only be a phenomenon on MNF anymore...this week being a prime example
with a mediocre Ravens squad going up against an awful Browns team.

How on earth did the Browns get on MNF anyway?  They were terrible last season!!
Back to top


    IP Logged
timmy b
Global Moderator




Posts: 1003
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #1 - 11/15/09 at 06:54:25
From my younger days, I recall a very late season (week 13) 1975 Jets-Chargers
matchup that was a dog.

Search of the records going into the game confirm. NYJ tied for last with NE in
the AFC East 3-9. Chargers rock bottom in the AFC West at 1-11.
Back to top


"Get in the fast lane, Grandma. The bingo game is ready to roll!" Mike Lange
    IP Logged
UofMars
Senior Member




Posts: 423
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #2 - 11/15/09 at 07:42:35
1989 Dallas (0-8) at Washington (4-4) on ESPN.  Pokes were coming off a 3-13
year in '88 and winless in '89 through eight weeks.  Washington was coming off a
7-9 campaign in 1988 and was 4-4 entering a game in which neither team deserved
a primetime game.  Dallas won 13-3 for Jimmy and Jerry's first win.
Back to top


It begins with a whistle ... and ends with a gun ...
    IP Logged
Optimus Moo
Senior Member




Posts: 387
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #3 - 11/15/09 at 08:38:05
Quote from Eksynyt on 11/15/09 at 05:35:27:
In honor of this week's Monday Night Football matchup, I'm curious as to which
games were the "worst" primetime games in recent memory (primarily SNF and MNF
not so much the NFL Network games).  I remember back before they did flex
scheduling when MNF was back on ABC that there were several times that games at
the end of a season turned out to be complete dogs.  Like in 1999 when the
Falcons sucked after their great 1998 season, I remember at least one terrible
game I think.  Also, I think in 2001 or so, the 0-4 Redskins played the 0-4
Cowboys on MNF and they kept showing old clips of classic 'Skins-'Boys games to
pass the time...I remember that 2001 game being horrible IIRC.  This would
really only be a phenomenon on MNF anymore...this week being a prime example
with a mediocre Ravens squad going up against an awful Browns team.

How on earth did the Browns get on MNF anyway?  They were terrible last season!!


That Falcons game was against the 49ers, if I recall correctly. Also, and I may
be totally wrong on this, but didn't that Redskins-Boys game in 2001 outdraw a
MLB playoff game?
Back to top


    IP Logged
johndeerepanther
Full Member




Posts: 160
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #4 - 11/15/09 at 09:22:24
I remember the Falcons hosting the 49ers on MNF to wrap up the 1992 season, and
the Falcons were terrible coming off the miracle 1991 season.
Back to top


     IP Logged
brain2biceps
Full Member




Posts: 184
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #5 - 11/15/09 at 10:18:23
The last month of the 2005 season was probably the worst stretch of MNF games
with either mismatches or two bad teams...and was the last straw that finally
led to flex scheduling.

Flex had been talked about for many seasons, but it was December 2005 that
convinced those in power to go with it (teams' final records in parentheses):

Week 13:  Seattle (13-3) at Philadelphia (6-10)
Week 14:  New Orleans (3-13) at Atlanta (8-8)
Week 15:  Green Bay (4-12) at Baltimore (6-10)
Week 16:  New England (10-6) at N.Y. Jets (4-12)

In addition, the last regular game of the season (Sunday night on ESPN) was St.
Louis (6-10) at Dallas (9-7)
Back to top


     IP Logged
DK073
God Member




Posts: 2067
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #6 - 11/15/09 at 10:36:40
Quote from brain2biceps on 11/15/09 at 10:18:23:
The last month of the 2005 season was probably the worst stretch of MNF games
with either mismatches or two bad teams...and was the last straw that finally
led to flex scheduling.

Flex had been talked about for many seasons, but it was December 2005 that
convinced those in power to go with it (teams' final records in parentheses):

Week 13:  Seattle (13-3) at Philadelphia (6-10)
Week 14:  New Orleans (3-13) at Atlanta (8-8)
Week 15:  Green Bay (4-12) at Baltimore (6-10)
Week 16:  New England (10-6) at N.Y. Jets (4-12)

In addition, the last regular game of the season (Sunday night on ESPN) was St.
Louis (6-10) at Dallas (9-7)


I think it was that Green Bay/Baltimore game that made it happen, because not
only was that an ugly matchup, but the Ravens blew the Packers away, 48-3.  That
combined with NBC getting the Sunday Night package and the NFL wanting to make
that more important than Monday Night Football sealed the deal.
Back to top


     IP Logged
packerhawk24
God Member




Posts: 1109
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #7 - 11/15/09 at 11:06:33
Quote from johndeerepanther on 11/15/09 at 09:22:24:
I remember the Falcons hosting the 49ers on MNF to wrap up the 1992 season, and
the Falcons were terrible coming off the miracle 1991 season.


No. I clearly remember the last MNF game of '92 being Detroit (who imploded that
year just like the Falcons) at San Francisco. The only drama involved was Joe
Montana playing the second half for the Niners after having missed almost two
entire seasons.

Another MNF stinker I remember from '92 involved the Falcons, though. Dallas
came into the Georgia Dome and totally embarrassed them. 45-10 or something like
that, too lazy to look it up right now.
Back to top


     IP Logged
northeast22
God Member




Posts: 821
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #8 - 11/15/09 at 12:02:53
2004 week 16 SNF Browns at Dolphins. Both teams were 4-12 in 2004.
Back to top


    IP Logged
Godhorn
Global Moderator




Posts: 1785
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #9 - 11/15/09 at 14:18:25
Quote from Optimus Moo on 11/15/09 at 08:38:05:
Quote from Eksynyt on 11/15/09 at 05:35:27:
In honor of this week's Monday Night Football matchup, I'm curious as to which
games were the "worst" primetime games in recent memory (primarily SNF and MNF
not so much the NFL Network games).  I remember back before they did flex
scheduling when MNF was back on ABC that there were several times that games at
the end of a season turned out to be complete dogs.  Like in 1999 when the
Falcons sucked after their great 1998 season, I remember at least one terrible
game I think.  Also, I think in 2001 or so, the 0-4 Redskins played the 0-4
Cowboys on MNF and they kept showing old clips of classic 'Skins-'Boys games to
pass the time...I remember that 2001 game being horrible IIRC.  This would
really only be a phenomenon on MNF anymore...this week being a prime example
with a mediocre Ravens squad going up against an awful Browns team.

How on earth did the Browns get on MNF anyway?  They were terrible last season!!


That Falcons game was against the 49ers, if I recall correctly. Also, and I may
be totally wrong on this, but didn't that Redskins-Boys game in 2001 outdraw a
MLB playoff game?

Yes. I'm fairly sure that MLB playoff game was the Jeter flip game.
Back to top


      IP Logged
NPBearsFan
God Member




Posts: 2475
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #10 - 11/15/09 at 14:33:41
Quote from packerhawk24 on 11/15/09 at 11:06:33:
Quote from johndeerepanther on 11/15/09 at 09:22:24:
I remember the Falcons hosting the 49ers on MNF to wrap up the 1992 season, and
the Falcons were terrible coming off the miracle 1991 season.


No. I clearly remember the last MNF game of '92 being Detroit (who imploded that
year just like the Falcons) at San Francisco. The only drama involved was Joe
Montana playing the second half for the Niners after having missed almost two
entire seasons.

Another MNF stinker I remember from '92 involved the Falcons, though. Dallas
came into the Georgia Dome and totally embarrassed them. 45-10 or something like
that, too lazy to look it up right now.


It was 1999 that SF-ATL played the season finale.

I remember that DAL-ATL game from 1992, it was 45-17 as Emmitt Smith went crazy
including a TD run where he broke like 5 or 6 tackles.

And who can ever forget the epic CHI-STL SNF clash in 1997 in Week 16.
Back to top


Chicago Bears - Nine Time World Champions (1921, 1932, 1933, 1940, 1941, 1943,
1946, 1963, 1985)

"I love it when a plan comes together!" -- Hannibal Smith
    IP Logged
Pokeraddict
Senior Member




Posts: 307
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #11 - 11/15/09 at 14:42:34
I can't find it in the blackout thread but there was a MNF game SF/ATL during
the Bobby Hebert era where the 49er's blew out the Falcons.  It was 93-96 but I
can't seem to find it and know it was blacked out because my MNF weekly party
had to actually go to the game.  Have to wonder why there would have been any
primetime Falcons games in the 90's.
Back to top

« Last Edit: 11/15/09 at 15:57:29 by Pokeraddict »
    IP Logged
Sparty
God Member




Posts: 504
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #12 - 11/15/09 at 14:49:16
Early in the 2001 season (week 4 or 5), the Rams blew out the Lions (I think the
final was 35-0).  Ty Detmer started for the Lions, and the fans started chanting
for Charlie Batch.  Then Batch came in, couldn't do anything, and the fans
started chanting "Let's go Red Wings"
Back to top


    IP Logged
NPBearsFan
God Member




Posts: 2475
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #13 - 11/15/09 at 14:49:32
Quote from Pokeraddict on 11/15/09 at 14:42:34:
I can't find it in the blackout thread but there are a MNF game SF/ATL during
the Bobby Hebert era where the 49er's blew out the Falcons.  It was 93-96 but I
can't seem to find it and know it was blacked out because my MNF weekly party
had to actually go to the game.  Have to wonder why there would have been any
primetime Falcons games in the 90's.


The 96 MNF SF-ATL game was blacked out.  I remember on Monday Night Countdown,
ESPN mentioning that Holiday on Ice was aired from 9-11 followed by the news
until the game ended.
Back to top


Chicago Bears - Nine Time World Champions (1921, 1932, 1933, 1940, 1941, 1943,
1946, 1963, 1985)

"I love it when a plan comes together!" -- Hannibal Smith
    IP Logged
msmith21
God Member




Posts: 1349
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #14 - 11/15/09 at 15:15:38
'01 Redskins-Cowboys

Bills-Colts from sometime around 1997
Back to top


World Series Trophy, Lombardi Trophy, Stanley Cup, and Yuengling - Only in
Pennsylvania
     IP Logged
reganBuffalo
Global Moderator




Posts: 3160
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #15 - 11/15/09 at 15:36:54
Quote from Pokeraddict on 11/15/09 at 14:42:34:
I can't find it in the blackout thread but there are a MNF game SF/ATL during
the Bobby Hebert era where the 49er's blew out the Falcons.  It was 93-96 but I
can't seem to find it and know it was blacked out because my MNF weekly party
had to actually go to the game.  Have to wonder why there would have been any
primetime Falcons games in the 90's.

It was Mon. 12/2/96, SF won 34-10. The win put SF at 10-3 and Atl at 2-11.
Back to top


     IP Logged
packerfan_55
Senior Member




Posts: 287
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #16 - 11/15/09 at 15:48:30
I just want to forget the MNF game on week 15 of the 2005 season. Packers @ the
Ravens. Both teams sucked that year, but the Ravens played like a Super Bowl
contender in that game. Final score: 48-3 Ravens. Oh my...
Back to top


Ryan
       IP Logged
mikejudge
Junior Member




Posts: 78
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #17 - 11/15/09 at 16:44:03
I'm looking forward to the Ravens whipping the Browns again.
And I enjoyed the Ravens' back-to-back national TV games with Packers and
Vikings in 2005.
Back to top


It's a Baltimore thing, hon.
     IP Logged
TheHighwayMan394
God Member




Posts: 892
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #18 - 11/15/09 at 17:52:34
Week 11 of 2005 also had the 4-5 Vikings at the 2-7 Packers on MNF. The Vikings
had started 2-5 and had won 2 in a row before this one, and probably should have
been 3-6 but had that bizarre win against the Giants where we returned a pick,
punt, and kickoff each for TDs and picked Eli 5 times, a game in which the
Vikings offense was completely dead except for the final drive for the winning
field goal.

The Vikings won this game 20-17 at the gun. Favre threw a couple picks,
including one returned for a touchdown by Dovonte Edwards with less than 2
minutes to go in the first half (some might remember this as the "towel play"),
a name I never heard before that play, or again after that play, and another one
to Brian Williams that killed a drive in Vikings territory. The Packers gave up
a 35-yard pass play to Koren Robinson that let the Vikings go all the way from
about the 50 to around the Packers 10 with less than a minute left and the game
tied on an ugly blown coverage, and the Vikings defense didn't show up for the
first half, most maddening was after Edwards's interception that tied the game
at 7, the defense let Donald Driver slip behind them for a long touchdown pass
to give the Packers the lead back.
Back to top

« Last Edit: Yesterday at 14:56:24 by TheHighwayMan394 »
One of these years, the Vikings will finally win something.

The word "optimism" is part of no sane Vikings fan's vocabulary...does that make
me an insane fan then?
     IP Logged
jellyeggs1
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 24
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #19 - 11/15/09 at 19:29:46
Does the ongoing Chiefs-Raiders game count (it's sure to go well past 7PM ET
tonight)? They're not quite past the middle of the 3rd qtr. at the time of this
post.
Back to top


    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #20 - 11/15/09 at 19:30:51
Giants-Redskins in week 15 could be a real stinker.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
chris9277
Full Member




Posts: 219
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #21 - 11/15/09 at 19:48:46
Quote from jellyeggs1 on 11/15/09 at 19:29:46:
Does the ongoing Chiefs-Raiders game count (it's sure to go well past 7PM ET
tonight)? They're not quite past the middle of the 3rd qtr. at the time of this
post.

No, the kickoff would have had to of been between the 8-9 PM hour EST, while
that game is played during the day on the west coast. KC-Oak is considered a
late afternoon game and there have been plenty of late afternoon games running
well past 7.

Also KC-Oak is only going to a small percentage of the US, where most primetime
games go to the entire country.
Back to top


    IP Logged
tamalie
Senior Member




Posts: 264
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #22 - 11/15/09 at 19:50:08
In week 15 of the 1983 season, MNF got stuck with the 7-7 Green Bay Packers at
the 2-12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Needless to say, the game was blacked out
locally. The Packers at least had a shot at winning a mediocre NFC Central, but
the Bucs were in full meltdown mode and John McKay had pretty much given up by
then. Then, to make matters worse, the two teams combined for 7 turnovers while
all the points in the game were scored by field goals, with Jan Stenerud getting
the winner in OT to give the Packers a 12-9 win.
Back to top


    IP Logged
jellyeggs1
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 24
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #23 - 11/15/09 at 20:44:37
I knew all of that Chris, I was just being smart alecky about the quality (ha!)
of that game & it running so long (thought it would never end). It's finally
over BTW, Chiefs win 16-10.
Back to top


    IP Logged
sew091472
Full Member




Posts: 101
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #24 - 11/15/09 at 20:51:11
This wasn't technically a Sunday or Monday night game, but I remember vaguely
watching in 1998 the Rams playing the Eagles on a Thursday night game on ESPN. I
think the Rams were 2-10 and the Eagles were 3-9.
Back to top


    IP Logged
wdoodlesonII
God Member




Posts: 2478
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #25 - 11/15/09 at 22:05:20
Quote from Godhorn on 11/15/09 at 14:18:25:
Quote from Optimus Moo on 11/15/09 at 08:38:05:
Also, and I may be totally wrong on this, but didn't that Redskins-Boys game in
2001 outdraw a MLB playoff game?

Yes. I'm fairly sure that MLB playoff game was the Jeter flip game.


"MNF" beat the ALDS 9.9 to 8.4 that night (15 October 2001)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/_stories/2001-10-16-ratings.htm

The Jeter flip ALDS game vs. the Athletics was 2 days earlier (13 October 2001)
Back to top


     IP Logged
wdoodlesonII
God Member




Posts: 2478
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #26 - 11/15/09 at 22:18:00
The infamous 24 October 1983 matchup of the 2-5 New York Giants at the 2-5 St.
Louis Cardinals may have been the worst Monday night game ever played- ended in
a 20-20 tie after Cardinals kicker Neil O'Donoghue missed 3 field goals in
overtime
Back to top


     IP Logged
NPBearsFan
God Member




Posts: 2475
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #27 - 11/15/09 at 23:28:22
Here are some I remember...

1991: MIN-TB (SNF)
1991: LARM-SEA (SNF)
1992: LARM-TB (SNF)
1993: SD-IND (MNF)
1993: PHI-IND (SNF)
1994: NYG-HOU (MNF)
1996: DET-SF (MNF)
1997: BUF-IND (MNF)
1997: CHI-STL (SNF)
1998: CHI-DET (SNF)
1998: STL-PHI (TNF)
2000: KC-NE (MNF)
2004: KC-TEN (MNF)
2004: DAL-NYG (SNF)
2005: DET-GB (SNF)
Back to top


Chicago Bears - Nine Time World Champions (1921, 1932, 1933, 1940, 1941, 1943,
1946, 1963, 1985)

"I love it when a plan comes together!" -- Hannibal Smith
    IP Logged
vikestwinswild1
Senior Member




Posts: 436
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #28 - 11/15/09 at 23:33:00
I remember until the 1999 season, every team made at least 1 primetime
appearance every season so there have been quite a few awful games there. The
worst I remember is the LA Rams @ Tampa Bay Sunday Night game in 1992. Both
teams were 3-13 the previous season so I can't figure out why they would
schedule that game for the whole nation to watch.
Back to top


     IP Logged
jdelachjr2002
God Member




Posts: 2730
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #29 - Yesterday at 00:14:30
Quote:
The worst I remember is the LA Rams @ Tampa Bay Sunday Night game in 1992. Both
teams were 3-13 the previous season so I can't figure out why they would
schedule that game for the whole nation to watch.


Tampa didn't see this game (it was blacked out).
Back to top


Tony Dungy really won Super Bowl XXXVII, not Jon Gruden!!!!!
     IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #30 - Yesterday at 00:55:53
Quote from NPBearsFan on 11/15/09 at 23:28:22:
Here are some I remember...
2004: KC-TEN (MNF)


In terms of win-loss record- yes.

But in terms of on-the-field play- that was actually one of the more
entertaining games I remember- a 49-38 shootout where both teams combined for
925 yards of offense, Billy Volek threw for 426 yards, Drew Bennett had 233
recieving yards.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
renbutler
God Member




Posts: 1923
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #31 - Yesterday at 01:05:17
Pats/Colts 2009.





j/k
Back to top


    IP Logged
footballfan78
Senior Member




Posts: 347
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #32 - Yesterday at 01:09:22
Raiders-Chiefs 2004. Technically this wasn't a primetime game. But it was a late
afternoon / early evening CBS national broadcast on Christmas Day.
Back to top


    IP Logged
vikestwinswild1
Senior Member




Posts: 436
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #33 - Yesterday at 01:13:33
Quote from jdelachjr2002 on Yesterday at 00:14:30:
Quote:
The worst I remember is the LA Rams @ Tampa Bay Sunday Night game in 1992. Both
teams were 3-13 the previous season so I can't figure out why they would
schedule that game for the whole nation to watch.


Tampa didn't see this game (it was blacked out).


I forgot about that. The Buccaneers almost never sold out the Big Sombrero.
Back to top


     IP Logged
titans309fan
God Member




Posts: 657
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #34 - Yesterday at 12:09:29
Quote from SabresBuffalo on Yesterday at 00:55:53:
Quote from NPBearsFan on 11/15/09 at 23:28:22:
Here are some I remember...
2004: KC-TEN (MNF)


In terms of win-loss record- yes.

But in terms of on-the-field play- that was actually one of the more
entertaining games I remember- a 49-38 shootout where both teams combined for
925 yards of offense, Billy Volek threw for 426 yards, Drew Bennett had 233
recieving yards.


That was a crazy game.  It even snowed a little bit (no accumulation, but pretty
in the lights).   The prime time game I hated that year was the next game, which
was the Christmas night game against Denver.  Freezing my butt off in a shootout
was tolerable.  Freezing my butt off in a lackluster effort less than a week
later was brutal.


A few weeks ago, I was worried that the Titans-Texans MNF game was going to be
bad, but now it looks to be a terrific game.  Vince Young's return to Houston
after a 3-0 start should make a great storyline.   I don't know how many people
know it, but Vince hasn't played in Houston since his OT win his rookie year in
2006.  He was hurt that one game in 2007 and on the bench in 2008.
Back to top


     IP Logged
MichiganLion
Full Member




Posts: 162
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #35 - Yesterday at 13:20:42
Surprised this game wasn't mentioned (though it's a ways back now) .........
1992 Denver (7-4) at Seattle (1-10) Monday Night game.  The Seattle offense was
one of the most inept in NFL HISTORY.
An epic matchup of Tommy Maddox vs. previous season WLAF MVP Stan Gelbaugh.

Denver just played awful football (admittedly, Seattle's defense WAS pretty good
...... Cortez Kennedy was NFL Defensive Player of the Year on a 2-14 team. 
Think about that), and they only led 13-6 late in the 4th.

And after a 4th-and-goal tying touchdown in regulation's final seconds, Seattle
rallied to win it 16-13 in overtime.  It was oddly entertaining, sort of because
of how truly bad it was.
Back to top


     IP Logged
mattsarz
God Member




Posts: 1072
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #36 - Yesterday at 13:26:40
Quote from NPBearsFan on 11/15/09 at 23:28:22:
Here are some I remember...

1997: BUF-IND (MNF)


Announcers kept remarking about how bad a matchup it was and when Steve Christie
hit the winning FG to win, 9-6 I think, they immediately cut to the end, doing
no postgame whatsoever, throwing it right to the local news.
Back to top


      IP Logged
monarc
Full Member




Posts: 238
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #37 - Yesterday at 13:51:39
Quote from wdoodlesonII on 11/15/09 at 22:18:00:
The infamous 24 October 1983 matchup of the 2-5 New York Giants at the 2-5 St.
Louis Cardinals may have been the worst Monday night game ever played- ended in
a 20-20 tie after Cardinals kicker Neil O'Donoghue missed 3 field goals in
overtime


I think it was the worst--it was so bad that when ESPN did their Monday Night
Countdown for the NYG-HOU clunker in 1994, they did a segment on worst MNF games
ever.  This 20-20 tie was prominently featured on their list.
Back to top


    IP Logged
monarc
Full Member




Posts: 238
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #38 - Yesterday at 13:56:50
Quote from MichiganLion on Yesterday at 13:20:42:
Surprised this game wasn't mentioned (though it's a ways back now) .........
1992 Denver (7-4) at Seattle (1-10) Monday Night game.  The Seattle offense was
one of the most inept in NFL HISTORY.
An epic matchup of Tommy Maddox vs. previous season WLAF MVP Stan Gelbaugh.

Denver just played awful football (admittedly, Seattle's defense WAS pretty good
...... Cortez Kennedy was NFL Defensive Player of the Year on a 2-14 team. 
Think about that), and they only led 13-6 late in the 4th.

And after a 4th-and-goal tying touchdown in regulation's final seconds, Seattle
rallied to win it 16-13 in overtime.  It was oddly entertaining, sort of because
of how truly bad it was.


I think the definitive play of this one was a Bronco defender making a diving
grab of Seattle kick returner Chris Warren--by the face mask.  The Bronco then
got up and celebrated like he made a huge play as multiple flags flew for the
face mask.  The resulting 15 yard penalty put Seattle at the Bronco 30, which
was crucial for winning the game.  I just can't remember whether it was before
the game tying touchdown or John Kasay's OT field goal.
Back to top


    IP Logged
stevegrab
God Member




Posts: 613
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #39 - Yesterday at 13:57:06
Tonight's game will not be the worst ever, the Browns have zero chance of having
this game end in a tie. Well unless the Ravens just don't try and we end in a
0-0 tie.

Man it is going to be ugly tonight. Will be interesting to see how the fan
WALK-IN protest goes over, and if the announcers and cameras show how bad it is.
Back to top


    IP Logged
brainfry
God Member




Posts: 933
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #40 - Yesterday at 14:05:22
Quote from tamalie on 11/15/09 at 19:50:08:
In week 15 of the 1983 season, MNF got stuck with the 7-7 Green Bay Packers at
the 2-12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Needless to say, the game was blacked out
locally. The Packers at least had a shot at winning a mediocre NFC Central, but
the Bucs were in full meltdown mode and John McKay had pretty much given up by
then. Then, to make matters worse, the two teams combined for 7 turnovers while
all the points in the game were scored by field goals, with Jan Stenerud getting
the winner in OT to give the Packers a 12-9 win.


That was the first game I thought of when I saw the thread.  Rumor is that Howie
decided he couldn't take anymore after this game, and it aided in his decision
to retire after that season.

Honorable mention:  STL/PHI in 1998.
Back to top


Who Dey think gonna bea.... oh, never mind!
     IP Logged
monarc
Full Member




Posts: 238
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #41 - Yesterday at 14:09:47
Quote from brainfry on Yesterday at 14:05:22:
Quote from tamalie on 11/15/09 at 19:50:08:
In week 15 of the 1983 season, MNF got stuck with the 7-7 Green Bay Packers at
the 2-12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Needless to say, the game was blacked out
locally. The Packers at least had a shot at winning a mediocre NFC Central, but
the Bucs were in full meltdown mode and John McKay had pretty much given up by
then. Then, to make matters worse, the two teams combined for 7 turnovers while
all the points in the game were scored by field goals, with Jan Stenerud getting
the winner in OT to give the Packers a 12-9 win.


That was the first game I thought of when I saw the thread.  Rumor is that Howie
decided he couldn't take anymore after this game, and it aided in his decision
to retire after that season.



Howie retired after that *game*.  (At least from MNF).  He didn't call Week 16
(DAL-SF).
Back to top


    IP Logged
tamalie
Senior Member




Posts: 264
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #42 - Yesterday at 14:16:24
This was Howard Cosell's second to last NFL game. He called the special week 16
Friday night match up between the Jets and Dolphins along with Gifford and
Meredith. Then Frank and Dandy Don teamed with OJ to call the Dallas-San
Francisco MNF finale. Frank and OJ later called the Pro Bowl, minus Howard and
Don.
Back to top


    IP Logged
monarc
Full Member




Posts: 238
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #43 - Yesterday at 14:19:25
Quote from tamalie on Yesterday at 14:16:24:
This was Howard Cosell's second to last NFL game. He called the special week 16
Friday night match up between the Jets and Dolphins along with Gifford and
Meredith. Then Frank and Dandy Don teamed with OJ to call the Dallas-San
Francisco MNF finale. Frank and OJ later called the Pro Bowl, minus Howard and
Don.


Whoops--I remembered the part about "Howard's last Monday night game"
(specifically Al Michaels saying that a few years back) and thought it meant
last MNF produced telecast.  Interesting.
Back to top


    IP Logged
BWBarefoot
God Member




Posts: 1257
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #44 - Yesterday at 14:36:30
Quote from vikestwinswild1 on 11/15/09 at 23:33:00:
The worst I remember is the LA Rams @ Tampa Bay Sunday Night game in 1992. Both
teams were 3-13 the previous season so I can't figure out why they would
schedule that game for the whole nation to watch.


That was on December 6, 1992.  What I remember most about this game was that the
late Jack Snow, who was the Rams radio analyst, was told - during the game -
that his son J.T. had been traded from the Yankees to the Angels for Jim Abbott.
He sounded fascinated and surprised.

The season after the trade, Abbott threw a no-hitter against the Indians.

By the way, Barry Bonds signed with the (baseball) Giants on the same day.

One more thing: I had the chickenpox at the time.
Back to top


Buddy Wayne Barefoot - The ultimate country boy, and he's all mine!
      IP Logged
Zeus
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 21
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #45 - Yesterday at 16:41:05
Quote from TheHighwayMan394 on 11/15/09 at 17:52:34:
Week 11 of 2005 also had the 4-5 Vikings at the 2-7 Packers on MNF. The Vikings
had started 2-5 and had won 2 in a row before this one, and probably should have
been 3-6 but had that bizarre win against the Giants where we returned a pick,
punt, and kickoff each for TDs and picked Eli 5 times, a game in which the
Vikings offense was completely dead except for the final drive for the winning
field goal.

The Vikings won this game 20-17 at the gun. Favre threw a couple picks,
including one returned for a touchdown by Dovonte Edwards with less than 2
minutes to go in the first half (some might remember this as the "towel play"),
a name I never heard before that play, or again after that play, and another one
to Brian Williams that killed a drive in Vikings territory. The Packers gave up
a 35-yard pass play to Koren Robinson that let the Vikings go all the way from
about the 50 to around the Packers 10 with less than a minute left and the game
tied on an ugly blown coverage, and the Vikings defense didn't show up for the
first half, most maddening was after Edwards's interception that tied the game
at 7, the defense let Donald Driver slip behind them for a long touchdown pass
to give the Packers the lead back.


So - despite the poor records of the two teams heading into the game, it was a
rather exciting contest, was it not?

Hardly a candidate for "Worst Prime Time Games".

=Z=
Back to top


    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #46 - Yesterday at 16:49:56
To me, a bad primetime game is one where the play on the field stinks, not the
records of the teams involved.

Chiefs-Titans 2004 and the Vikings/Packers game HighwayMan referenced were very
entertaining game regardless of the record; Falcons-49ers at the end of the 1999
season was not..

That's how I look at what this thread asks.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
Zeus
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 21
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #47 - Yesterday at 16:51:26
Quote from SabresBuffalo on Yesterday at 16:49:56:
To me, a bad primetime game is one where the play on the field stinks, not the
records of the teams involved.

Chiefs-Titans 2004 and the Vikings/Packers game HighwayMan referenced were very
entertaining game regardless of the record; Falcons-49ers at the end of the 1999
season was not..

That's how I look at what this thread asks.


In the end, as you note, if the 1-10 vs. 2-9 game ends up being a 35-31 shootout
that goes down to the last minute, that's good football, in my book.

'Course, I need Flacco to score me 23 points tonight, so I'm hoping the Ravens
crush.

=Z=
Back to top


    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #48 - Yesterday at 16:51:44
Quote from MichiganLion on Yesterday at 13:20:42:
Surprised this game wasn't mentioned (though it's a ways back now) .........
1992 Denver (7-4) at Seattle (1-10) Monday Night game.  The Seattle offense was
one of the most inept in NFL HISTORY.
An epic matchup of Tommy Maddox vs. previous season WLAF MVP Stan Gelbaugh.

Denver just played awful football (admittedly, Seattle's defense WAS pretty good
...... Cortez Kennedy was NFL Defensive Player of the Year on a 2-14 team. 
Think about that), and they only led 13-6 late in the 4th.

And after a 4th-and-goal tying touchdown in regulation's final seconds, Seattle
rallied to win it 16-13 in overtime.  It was oddly entertaining, sort of because
of how truly bad it was.


In retrospect, this game cost the Broncos a playoff spot.

Had they got in as a #6 seed, could they have done some damage?
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
TheHighwayMan394
God Member




Posts: 892
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #49 - Yesterday at 17:02:27
Quote from Zeus on Yesterday at 16:41:05:
Quote from TheHighwayMan394 on 11/15/09 at 17:52:34:
Week 11 of 2005 also had the 4-5 Vikings at the 2-7 Packers on MNF. The Vikings
had started 2-5 and had won 2 in a row before this one, and probably should have
been 3-6 but had that bizarre win against the Giants where we returned a pick,
punt, and kickoff each for TDs and picked Eli 5 times, a game in which the
Vikings offense was completely dead except for the final drive for the winning
field goal.

The Vikings won this game 20-17 at the gun. Favre threw a couple picks,
including one returned for a touchdown by Dovonte Edwards with less than 2
minutes to go in the first half (some might remember this as the "towel play"),
a name I never heard before that play, or again after that play, and another one
to Brian Williams that killed a drive in Vikings territory. The Packers gave up
a 35-yard pass play to Koren Robinson that let the Vikings go all the way from
about the 50 to around the Packers 10 with less than a minute left and the game
tied on an ugly blown coverage, and the Vikings defense didn't show up for the
first half, most maddening was after Edwards's interception that tied the game
at 7, the defense let Donald Driver slip behind them for a long touchdown pass
to give the Packers the lead back.


So - despite the poor records of the two teams heading into the game, it was a
rather exciting contest, was it not?

Hardly a candidate for "Worst Prime Time Games".

=Z=


I suppose you're right, but then we can include overhyped blowouts or other
poorly played primetime games between good teams in this thread, can we not?
Back to top


One of these years, the Vikings will finally win something.

The word "optimism" is part of no sane Vikings fan's vocabulary...does that make
me an insane fan then?
     IP Logged
BD Sullivan
God Member




Posts: 520
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #50 - Yesterday at 17:03:57
Thankfully, it's not a prime time game, but this Sunday's contest, Cleveland @
Detroit, has the potential to be brutal. Unfortunately, they can't blackout this
game for the good of society.
Back to top


     IP Logged
stevegrab
God Member




Posts: 613
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #51 - Yesterday at 18:29:08
Quote from Zeus on Yesterday at 16:51:26:
Quote from SabresBuffalo on Yesterday at 16:49:56:
To me, a bad primetime game is one where the play on the field stinks, not the
records of the teams involved.

Chiefs-Titans 2004 and the Vikings/Packers game HighwayMan referenced were very
entertaining game regardless of the record; Falcons-49ers at the end of the 1999
season was not..

That's how I look at what this thread asks.


In the end, as you note, if the 1-10 vs. 2-9 game ends up being a 35-31 shootout
that goes down to the last minute, that's good football, in my book.

'Course, I need Flacco to score me 23 points tonight, so I'm hoping the Ravens
crush.

=Z=


Exactly, good close football with some offense is a good game. The record of the
teams shouldn't matter.

Remember that terrible MIA-PIT game last year when the field was soaked, and the
ball on a punt would just hit the ground and stick in?  That game ended 3-0 and
was a terrible game, regardless of the records of the teams.

Z   I need 30+ points from Jamal Lewis tonight, I don't think that will happen.
Back to top


    IP Logged
FedExT-Rex
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 24
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #52 - Yesterday at 21:49:29
Quote from BD Sullivan on Yesterday at 17:03:57:
Thankfully, it's not a prime time game, but this Sunday's contest, Cleveland @
Detroit, has the potential to be brutal. Unfortunately, they can't blackout this
game for the good of society.


Worse than Rams-Lions a few weeks ago?
Back to top


"What does it mean to pre-board? Do you get on before you get on?"

"If the Cincinnati Reds were the first baseball team, who did they play
against?"
    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #53 - Yesterday at 22:00:39
Quote from FedExT-Rex on Yesterday at 21:49:29:
Quote from BD Sullivan on Yesterday at 17:03:57:
Thankfully, it's not a prime time game, but this Sunday's contest, Cleveland @
Detroit, has the potential to be brutal. Unfortunately, they can't blackout this
game for the good of society.


Worse than Rams-Lions a few weeks ago?


Possibly- at least they have Steven Jackson. Who exactly do the Browns have?
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
vikestwinswild1
Senior Member




Posts: 436
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #54 - Yesterday at 22:24:28
Quote from SabresBuffalo on Yesterday at 22:00:39:
Quote from FedExT-Rex on Yesterday at 21:49:29:
Quote from BD Sullivan on Yesterday at 17:03:57:
Thankfully, it's not a prime time game, but this Sunday's contest, Cleveland @
Detroit, has the potential to be brutal. Unfortunately, they can't blackout this
game for the good of society.


Worse than Rams-Lions a few weeks ago?


Possibly- at least they have Steven Jackson. Who exactly do the Browns have?


Joshua Cribbs
Back to top


     IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #55 - Yesterday at 22:57:49
So far, this game is worthy of a spot on this list.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
Stockpile
Senior Member




Posts: 303
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #56 - Yesterday at 23:44:00
5-10 Dallas at 12-3 Tennessee on Christmas Night 2000.  Dallas could do nothing
and got blasted 31-0.  It was awful.
0-1 New Orleans at 1-0 Dallas, 1973, Week 2.  Dallas rolled 40-3.  At time the
second largest blowout in MNF History.
6-4 Chicago at 8-1-1 Miami, Week 11, 1971, Miami destroys Chicago 34-3.
5-1 Los Angeles at 1-5 Philadelphia, Week 7, 1975.  The Rams bombs Philly 42-3
at The Vet, it was 21-3 at the half and the rout was on.
Back to top


     IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #57 - Today at 00:22:51
This Browns/Ravens game has been so bad, I'd have more fun if HighwayMan, JP,
myself, and JamesCraven played flag football.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
jhnkill
God Member




Posts: 832
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #58 - Today at 00:31:39
I am amazed the Browns actually won a game this season after watching them
tonite, they are brutal. Baltimore helped them out by sleepwalking thru the 1st
half too, by far the worst national tv game so far this year.
Back to top


    IP Logged
Eksynyt
Full Member




Posts: 195
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #59 - Today at 00:31:45
We can officially add this Ravens-Browns game to the list...absolutely awful.

Tirico, Jaws, and Gruden are so bored they are showing old videos of each other.
Back to top


    IP Logged
johndeerepanther
Full Member




Posts: 160
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #60 - Today at 00:35:04
Quote from NPBearsFan on 11/15/09 at 14:33:41:
Quote from packerhawk24 on 11/15/09 at 11:06:33:
Quote from johndeerepanther on 11/15/09 at 09:22:24:
I remember the Falcons hosting the 49ers on MNF to wrap up the 1992 season, and
the Falcons were terrible coming off the miracle 1991 season.


No. I clearly remember the last MNF game of '92 being Detroit (who imploded that
year just like the Falcons) at San Francisco. The only drama involved was Joe
Montana playing the second half for the Niners after having missed almost two
entire seasons.

Another MNF stinker I remember from '92 involved the Falcons, though. Dallas
came into the Georgia Dome and totally embarrassed them. 45-10 or something like
that, too lazy to look it up right now.


It was 1999 that SF-ATL played the season finale.

I remember that DAL-ATL game from 1992, it was 45-17 as Emmitt Smith went crazy
including a TD run where he broke like 5 or 6 tackles.

And who can ever forget the epic CHI-STL SNF clash in 1997 in Week 16.


Yeah I had the wrong year on that SF-ATL game. The Dallas game was what I was
thinking of in 1992.
Back to top


     IP Logged
vikingfan
Senior Member




Posts: 282
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #61 - Today at 00:47:29
The NFL should be shot if they even consider subjecting the nation to a national
TV Browns game next year.  Everybody knew before the season started this game
would be awful and it hasn't disappointed.
Back to top


    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1198
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #62 - Today at 00:48:02
Quote from jhnkill on Today at 00:31:39:
I am amazed the Browns actually won a game this season after watching them
tonite, they are brutal. Baltimore helped them out by sleepwalking thru the 1st
half too, by far the worst national tv game so far this year.


The ONLY reason the Browns don't have a chance to replicate what the Lions did
last year- Roscoe Parrish.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
aaronkt
God Member




Posts: 998
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #63 - Today at 00:52:13
Quote from BD Sullivan on Yesterday at 17:03:57:
Thankfully, it's not a prime time game, but this Sunday's contest, Cleveland @
Detroit, has the potential to be brutal. Unfortunately, they can't blackout this
game for the good of society.


Or move the game to Easter Island.
Back to top


     IP Logged
vlime
Junior Member




Posts: 40
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #64 - Today at 00:54:58
Quote from vikestwinswild1 on Yesterday at 22:24:28:
Quote from SabresBuffalo on Yesterday at 22:00:39:
Quote from FedExT-Rex on Yesterday at 21:49:29:
Quote from BD Sullivan on Yesterday at 17:03:57:
Thankfully, it's not a prime time game, but this Sunday's contest, Cleveland @
Detroit, has the potential to be brutal. Unfortunately, they can't blackout this
game for the good of society.


Worse than Rams-Lions a few weeks ago?


Possibly- at least they have Steven Jackson. Who exactly do the Browns have?


Joshua Cribbs


It looked like Cribbs was killed on that last play
Back to top


    IP Logged
mikejudge
Junior Member




Posts: 78
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #65 - Today at 09:59:42
Quote from vikingfan on Today at 00:47:29:
The NFL should be shot if they even consider subjecting the nation to a national
TV Browns game next year.  Everybody knew before the season started this game
would be awful and it hasn't disappointed.

And NFL Network has the Browns-Steelers still to come. Very few will be
demanding NFL Network to catch that one.
Back to top


It's a Baltimore thing, hon.
     IP Logged
BD Sullivan
God Member




Posts: 520
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #66 - Today at 12:51:26
Quote from jhnkill on Today at 00:31:39:
I am amazed the Browns actually won a game this season after watching them
tonite, they are brutal.


Even their one win was brutal to watch, a 6-3 victory over Buffalo--the game in
which Derek Anderson completed two of 17 passes in "leading" the team to the
win.
Back to top


     IP Logged
footballfan78
Senior Member




Posts: 347
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #67 - Today at 13:17:28
Quote:
Exactly, good close football with some offense is a good game. The record of the
teams shouldn't matter.


IMO the records do matter. I'm not interested in watching 2 bad teams play an
meaningless game ( in terms of the playoff picture ) even if the game ends up
being close and there are some exciting plays. If the records of the teams
didn't matter, then by that logic we should include prime time games between
good teams that ended up being blowouts or boring.
Back to top


    IP Logged
AuxRSS
Junior Member




Posts: 68
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #68 - Today at 13:43:18
How would the infamous Body Bag Game rank among these games? (So infamous, it
has its own Wikipedia entry....) I was a neutral observer, and by the end of the
game the sheer quantity of injuries slowed it down to unwatchability. Does
anyone remember the MNF crew's (Michaels/Gifford/Dierdorf) reactions to the
game?
Back to top


    IP Logged
stevegrab
God Member




Posts: 613
Gender:
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #69 - Today at 13:46:36
Quote from footballfan78 on Today at 13:17:28:
Quote:
Exactly, good close football with some offense is a good game. The record of the
teams shouldn't matter.


IMO the records do matter. I'm not interested in watching 2 bad teams play an
meaningless game ( in terms of the playoff picture ) even if the game ends up
being close and there are some exciting plays. If the records of the teams don't
matter, then by that logic, we should include prime time games between good
teams that ended up being blowouts or boring.


Ok, so tell me then, what would you rather see
one very good team vs. medicore team - say MIN-SEA this week
one very good team vs. bad team team - say MIN-DET of a couple weeks bac
two very bad teams - say CLE-DET

None of those are good, having a good team (MIN) with a good record in a
lopsided match-up doesn't make the game better.

Yes this was a bad game, I'm a Browns fan that has been suffering through their
games all season. On the verge of not watching them any more. There have been
many national games (MNF, SNF, Thursday, Thanksgivings) scheduled in the past.
Look at the absolutely horrible slate of games for Thanksgiving this year
GB-DET
OAK-DAL
NYG-DEN (ok this could be a good game, but both teams have really been falling
apart, looked good a few weeks before both teams went on losing streaks).

Should we as a nation of NFL fans be subject to this crap with our stomachs full
of turkey and mashed potatoes?

PS  In my opinion blowouts with totally mismatched teams (NE-TB in London)
should go into the "worst games" category. They're boring for most fans, who
wants to see somebody running up the score on an obviously inferior team. I'd
rather watch to average or bad teams play a close game. That is my opinion, you
and others are entitled to yours.
Back to top


    IP Logged
JamesCraven
God Member




Posts: 1028
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #70 - Today at 13:50:46
Quote from SabresBuffalo on Today at 00:22:51:
"This Browns/Ravens game has been so bad, I'd have more fun if HighwayMan, JP,
myself, and JamesCraven played flag football."


You forgot others like reganBuffalo, well maybe the entire staff.

I watched WWE RAW; that's how pathetic it was.
Back to top


COMCAST SPORTSNET PHILADELPHIA. WHERE LOCAL SPORTS AND INFOMERCIALS COME FIRST.
     IP Logged
footballfan78
Senior Member




Posts: 347
Re: Worst Prime Time Games
Reply #71 - Today at 13:57:02
Quote from stevegrab on Today at 13:46:36:
Quote from footballfan78 on Today at 13:17:28:
Quote:
Exactly, good close football with some offense is a good game. The record of the
teams shouldn't matter.


IMO the records do matter. I'm not interested in watching 2 bad teams play an
meaningless game ( in terms of the playoff picture ) even if the game ends up
being close and there are some exciting plays. If the records of the teams don't
matter, then by that logic, we should include prime time games between good
teams that ended up being blowouts or boring.


Ok, so tell me then, what would you rather see
one very good team vs. medicore team - say MIN-SEA this week
one very good team vs. bad team team - say MIN-DET of a couple weeks bac
two very bad teams - say CLE-DET

None of those are good, having a good team (MIN) with a good record in a
lopsided match-up doesn't make the game better.

Yes this was a bad game, I'm a Browns fan that has been suffering through their
games all season. On the verge of not watching them any more. There have been
many national games (MNF, SNF, Thursday, Thanksgivings) scheduled in the past.
Look at the absolutely horrible slate of games for Thanksgiving this year
GB-DET
OAK-DAL
NYG-DEN (ok this could be a good game, but both teams have really been falling
apart, looked good a few weeks before both teams went on losing streaks).

Should we as a nation of NFL fans be subject to this crap with our stomachs full
of turkey and mashed potatoes?

PS  In my opinion blowouts with totally mismatched teams (NE-TB in London)
should go into the "worst games" category. They're boring for most fans, who
wants to see somebody running up the score on an obviously inferior team. I'd
rather watch to average or bad teams play a close game. That is my opinion, you
and others are entitled to yours.


I'm talking about games when both teams are good or are at least decent. Not
when one good team plays a below average or bad team. If the 2 choices are a
good team vs a bad team or 2 bad teams playing each other, then I would think
that both games are equally unappealing.
Back to top


    IP Logged
   Pages: 1

The506 Broadcast Maps Forum › the506.com Forums › NFL TV Distribution
(Moderator: JP)  ‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›


The506 Broadcast Maps Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.1!
YaBB © 2000-2005. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAbNPz-i7us&feature=sub

PPG Indy Car World Series
Australian FAI Indy Car Grand Prix

Surfers Paradise Street Circuit
Surfers Paradise, Australia
March 20, 1994

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9jhJS5CAGw&feature=related

This has gotta be in my top three introductions ever. Absolutely pumps
adrenaline

Done by Brad Nessler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pASnLE46i4&feature=related

Part 1 of 3

1988 Michigan Wolverines Starting Lineups...

OFFENSE:

Split End - Greg McMurtry
Split End - Chris Calloway
Split End - Derrick Walker
Left Tackle - Tom Dohring
Left Tackle - Mike Husar
Left Guard - Mike Husar
Left Guard - Dave Chester
Center - John Vitale
Right Guard - Dean Dingman
Right Tackle - Greg Skrepenak
Tight End - Jeffrey Brown
Tight End - Derrick Walker
Flanker - John Kolesar
Flanker - Chris Calloway
Quarterback - Michael Taylor
Quarterback - Demetrius Brown
Tailback - Tony Boles
Tailback - Leroy Hoard
Tailback - Tracy Williams
Fullback - Leroy Hoard
Fullback - Jarrod Bunch
Fullback - Chris Horn

DEFENSE:

Defensive Tackle - Brent White
Defensive Tackle - John Herrman
Defensive Tackle - Mike Evans
Middle Guard - T.J. Osman
Defensive Tackle - Mark Messner
Outside Linebacker - Bobby Abrams
Outside Linebacker - Alex Marshall
Outside Linebacker - Tim Williams
Outside Linebacker - Anthony Mitchell
Inside Linebacker - J.J. Grant
Inside Linebacker - Marc Spencer
Inside Linebacker - John Milligan
Inisde Linebacker - Erick Anderson
Cornerback - David Key
Cornerback - David Arnold
Cornerback - Todd Plate
Strong Safety - Tripp Welborne
Free Safety - Vada Murray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxzqsSYl2E&feature=related

Nice return by Kaufman to start off the 1992 Rose Bowl.Washington beats Michigan
34-14.

Go Dawgs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY1CyYikVwc

http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/2009/11/abc-to-be-shut-out-of-nba-conferenc\
e.html

The 2010 NBA Conference Finals could be a cable exclusive affair.

Sports Business Journal reports that ESPN is slated to air the entire 2010
Eastern Conference Finals. In previous years, ESPN sister network ABC has aired
at least one game of the Conference Finals.

This would be the first time since 2004 that not a single game of the NBA
Conference Finals has aired on broadcast television.

If none of the NBA's second round series goes to a 7th game, ABC could still
conceivably air Game 1 of the Conference Finals on a Sunday afternoon -- as was
done in '07 (Jazz/Spurs Game 1), '05 (Spurs/Suns Game 1) and '03 (Nets/Pistons
Game 1).

The move comes months after the NBA's three television partners drew superb
ratings during the Conference Finals. The Lakers/Nuggets and Magic/Cavaliers
series averaged 8.6 million viewers, and included the 4 most-viewed NBA games
ever on cable. Overall, ratings for the Conference Finals were the highest since
'02, when NBC carried the bulk of the games.

The strong numbers came despite only one of the games airing on ABC -- and that
game was only the 7th-most viewed of the round.

The ratings success, achieved largely without the aid of a broadcast television
showcase, has evidently emboldened ESPN.

ESPN EVP of content John Skipper told Sports Business Journal that the
"continuity" of having all the games on one network is "more important than the
[household] differential" between ESPN (99 million homes) and ABC (114 million).
Skipper: "We are going to clearly position that for sports, there is no
significant differentiation between broadcast and cable."

The numbers appear to back him up. Excluding the NBA Finals, ABC averaged 5.3
million viewers for the playoffs as a whole, not much higher than ESPN's 4.9
million and TNT's 4.7 million.

ABC's lead looks even less impressive when one considers that the network only
aired 10 playoff games prior to the Finals -- and those 10 games were generally
the highest-profile games of the day. Meanwhile, ESPN and TNT aired nearly all
of the other playoff games -- including series without much mainstream appeal
like Magic/76ers or Rockets/Blazers.

Overall, ABC appears to be less and less of a priority for ESPN. The entire Bowl
Championship Series will air on ESPN starting in 2011 -- including the Rose
Bowl, which had previously been an ABC staple. The signs were evident early in
the college football season as well, when ESPN saved one of the biggest Saturday
night games of the season for itself (USC/Ohio State) rather than air it on
ABC's Saturday Night Football.

And there's the fact that ABC will air only 15 regular season NBA games this
year, the bare minimum, and the fewest since 2002-03.

With this in mind, how long before the NBA Finals becomes a cable exclusive
affair as well?

Source: Sports Business Journal

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1231599477;start=all


  Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register.
   11/10/09 at 17:53:37
News: Discussion of illegal online game streaming (sopcast, TVU, etc) is NOT
allowed and will be locked or removed on sight.







The506 Broadcast Maps Forum › the506.com Forums › Sports Broadcasting History
(Moderators: JP, timmy b)  ‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›

  Pages: 1
  Historical Bowl Game Announcers? (Read 8202 times)
sportas2

Junior Member




Posts: 88
Gender:
   Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
01/10/09 at 10:57:57   I would like to get a thread going of all bowl game
announcers and networks, going back to the mid 70s if possible.  Looking for any
help or ideas to get this facilitated.  The big games (Orange, Sugar, Rose,
Cotton, and Fiesta post-1985) are pretty easy to get, but I'm more interested in
the lower tier games (which were not always nationally televised games prior to
1995, as Raycom and other entities had a few games.)

Anyone's help is appreciated, and I will keep a master list going.
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just follow that line forever. When you reach the end, turn left.   IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #1 - 01/10/09 at 11:11:37   I will be glad to help out the sun bowl has a
list already.
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #2 - 01/10/09 at 16:02:19   1977-1978
Independence Bowl December 17th Lousiana Tech Louisville Mizlou not sure on
announcers
Liberty Bowl December 19th Nebraska North Carolina ABC Keith Jackson Frank
Broyles Mutual Radio
Lindsey Nelson and Al Wester
Hall of Fame Bowl December 22 Minnesota Maryland Mutual Jim Karvellas, Howard
David, Don Perkins
Mutual Radio Lindsey Nelson and Al Wester
Tangerine Bowl December 23 Texas Tech Florida State Mizlou Duane Dow, Howard
David, Don Perkins
Fiesta Bowl December 25th Penn State vs Arizona State this was a Sunday game NFL
playoffs on the 24th and 26th CBS TV and Radio TV Lindsey Nelson, Tom Matte
Radio Bob Costas, Bob Davies
Gator Bowl December 30 Clemson vs Pittsburgh ABC TV Keith Jackson, Frank Broyles
Mutual Radio Al Wester and Rick Weaver
Peach Bowl December 31 Iowa State vs North Carolina State Duane Dow, Howard
David, Don Perkins
Sun Bowl December 31 Stanford vs LSU Pat Summerall, Tom Brookshier Radio Connie
Alexander, Don Klein both on CBS.
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #3 - 01/10/09 at 16:14:07
Quote:
The Sun Bowl was first televised by NBC nationally in 1964 and again in 1966. A
nationally syndicated, regional telecast occurred with the 1967 game. In 1968,
the Sun Bowl Association and CBS Sports entered into what is now the longest,
continuous telecast of a post-season football bowl game, 35 years. In 2006, CBS
Sports extended its Sun Bowl agreement through 2009. Following is a list of all
Sun Bowl broadcasts.

Year
Matchup
Broadcast
Rating
Share

1964
  Georgia vs. Texas Tech
  TV: NBC Sports



1965
  TCU vs. UTEP
  TV: Regionally Broadcast



1966
  Florida State vs. Wyoming
  TV: NBC Sports



1967
  Mississippi vs. UTEP
  TV: Syndicated by TVS



1968
  Auburn vs. Arizona
  TV: CBS Sports
(Lindsay Nelson, Frank Gifford)  7.6
  18%

1969
  Georgia vs. Nebraska
  TV: CBS Sports
(Frank Glieber, Don Perkins)  7.6
  24%

1970
  Georgia Tech vs. Texas Tech
  TV: CBS Sports
(Don Criqui, Frank Gifford)  11.5
  37%

1971
  LSU vs. Iowa State
  TV: CBS Sports
(Lindsey Nelson, Pat Summerall)  12.7
  38%

1972
  North Carolina vs. Texas Tech
  TV: CBS Sports
(Lindsay Nelson, Irv Cross)  15.1
  43%

1973
  Missouri vs. Auburn
  TV: CBS Sports
(Lindsey Nelson, Tom Brookshier)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Connie Alexander, Bob Starr)  11.8
  36%

1974
  Mississippi State vs. North Carolina
  TV: CBS Sports
(Lindsey Nelson, John Sauer, Jane Chastain)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Connie Alexander, Bob Starr)  11.3
  34%

1975
  Pittsburgh vs. Kansas
  TV: CBS Sports
(Paul Hornung, Johnny Morris)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Connie Alexander, Bob Starr)  10.0
  32%

1977
  Florida vs. Texas A&M
  TV: CBS Sports
(Pat Summerall, Tom Brookshier)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Connie Alexander, Ned Martin)  13.2
  39%

1977
  LSU vs. Stanford
  TV: CBS Sports
(Pat Summerall, Tom Brookshier)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Connie Alexander, Don Klein)  12.4
  36%

1978
  Maryland vs. Texas
  TV: CBS Sports
(Pat Summerall, Tom Brookshier)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Connie Alexander, Bob Starr)  10.6
  35%

1979
  Washington vs. Texas
  TV: CBS Sports
(Pat Summerall, Tom Brookshier)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Dick Stockton, Roman Gabriel)  10.2
  35%

1980
  Mississippi State vs. Nebraska
  TV: CBS Sports
(Pat Summerall, Tom Brookshier, Frank Glieber)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Dick Stockton, Roman Gabriel)  10.0
  28%

1981
  Oklahoma vs. Houston
  TV: CBS Sports
(Tom Brookshier, Hank Stram, Fred Dryer)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Dick Stockton, Roman Gabriel)  12.0
  34%

1982
  North Carolina vs. Texas
  TV: CBS Sports
(Gary Bender, Pat Haden)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Andy Musser, Roman Gabriel)
  13.3
  42%

1983
  SMU vs. Alabama
  TV: CBS Sports
(Gary Bender, Pat Haden)
  9.2
  21%

1984
  Maryland vs. Tennessee
  TV: CBS Sports
(Gary Bender, Pat Haden)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Dick Stockton, John Dockery)
  4.3
  10%

1985
  Georgia vs. Arizona
  TV: CBS Sports
(Gary Bender, Steve Davis, Pat Haden)
  5.6
  16%

1986
  Washington vs. Alabama
  TV: CBS Sports
(Brent Musburger, Ara Parseghian, Jim Nantz, John Dockery)
  11.5
  35%

1987
  Oklahoma State vs. West Virginia
  TV: CBS Sports
(Brent Musburger, Pat Haden, Jim Nantz, John Dockery)
RADIO: KHEY Radio-Regional
(Jon Teicher, Rick Parr)
  6.0
  20%

1988
  Alabama vs. Army
  TV: CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Pat Haden, Jim Nantz, John Dockery)
RADIO: New Century Broadcast-National
(Jon Teicher, Rick Parr)
  4.2
  13%

1989
  Pittsburgh vs. Texas A&M
  TV: CBS Sports
(Tim Brant, Dan Jiggets, Leslie Visser)
  6.5
  19%

1990
  USC vs. Michigan State
  TV: CBS Sports
(Brad Nessler, Dan Jiggets, Mike Joy)
  7.6
  20%

1991
  Illinois vs. UCLA
  TV: CBS Sports
(Brad Nessler, Randy Cross, Mike Joy)
  6.0
  16%

1992
  Arizona vs. Baylor
  TV: CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Dan Fouts, Pat O'Brien)
  5.8
  12%

1993
  Texas Tech vs. Oklahoma
  TV: CBS Sports
(Dick Stockton, Randy Cross, Pat O'Brien)
  5.8
  12%

1994
  Texas vs. North Carolina
  TV: CBS Sports
(Jim Nance, Doug Flutie, Andrea Joyce)
  4.6
  12%

1995
  Iowa vs. Washington
  TV: CBS Sports
(Jim Nance, Terry Donahue, Michele Tafoya)
RADIO: ISI Sports Network-National
(Jon Teicher, Bernie Recono, Mitchell Mick)
  4.0
  11%

1996
  Stanford vs. Michigan State
  TV: CBS Sports
(Gus Johnson, Artie Gigantino, Scott Moore)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Chuck Cooperstein, Howard Schnellenberger)
  3.7
  10%

1997
  ASU vs. Iowa
  TV: CBS Sports
(Tim Ryan, Dave Logan, Scott Lasky)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(Jim Powell, Jeff Van Note)
  4.1
  11%

1998
  TCU vs. USC
  TV: CBS Sports
(Sean McDonough, Todd Blackledge, Michele Tafoya)
RADIO: CBS Sports
(John Rooney, Mark May)
  3.4
  9%

1999
  Minnesota vs. Oregon
  TV: CBS Sports
(Sean McDonough, Todd Blackledge, Michele Tafoya)
RADIO: CBS Sports/Westwood One
(Joel Myers, Jim Wacker)
  4.3
  10%

2000
  Wisconsin vs. UCLA
  TV: CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Todd Blackledge, Dean Blevins, Jill Arrington)
RADIO: CBS Sports/Westwood One
(Mark May, John Tautges)
  3.5
  9%

2001
  Washington State vs. Purdue
  TV: CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Todd Blackledge, Jill Arrington, Andre Ware)
RADIO: CBS Sports/ Westwood One
(Tony Roberts, Shea Walker)
  3.8
  9%

2002
  Washington vs. Purdue
  TV:  CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Todd Blackledge, Jill Arrington)
RADIO: CBS Sports/Westwood One
(John Tautges, Shea Walker)
  3.1
  8%

2003
  Minnesota vs. Oregon
  TV: CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Todd Blackledge, Jill Arrington)
RADIO: CBS Sports/Westwood One
(John Tautges, Shea Walker)
  3.2
  8%

2004
  Arizona State vs. Purdue
  TV: CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Todd Blackledge, Tracy Wolfson)
RADIO: CBS Sports/Westwood One
(Joel Myers, Shea Walker)  2.8
  7%

2005 Northwestern vs. UCLA TV: CBS Sports
(Verne Lundquist, Todd Blackledge, Tracy Wolfson)
RADIO: CBS Sports/Westwood One)
Joel Meyers, Fran Curci 2.6 7%

2006 Oregon State vs. Missouri  TV: CBS Sports
(Craig Bolerjack, Steve Beuerlein, Sam Ryan)
RADIO: Sports USA
(Howard David, Charles Arbuckle, Rich Cellini) 2.4 6%

2007 USF vs. Oregon  TV: CBS Sports
(Craig Bolerjack, Steve Beuerlein, Sam Ryan)
RADIO: Sports USA
(Josh Lewin, Troy West, Rich Cellini) 2.5
  6%
2008 Pitt vs Oregon State CBS Verne Lundquist, Gary Danielson, Tracy Wolfson

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #4 - 01/10/09 at 16:17:22   here is the rose bowl list
Date Network Play-by-play Color commentator(s) Sideline reporter(s)
January 1, 2009 ABC Brent Musburger Kirk Herbstreit Lisa Salters
January 1, 2008 ABC Brent Musburger Kirk Herbstreit Lisa Salters
January 1, 2007 ABC Brent Musburger Bob Davie and Kirk Herbstreit Lisa Salters
and Bonnie Bernstein
January 4, 2006 ABC Keith Jackson Dan Fouts Todd Harris and Holly Rowe
January 1, 2005 ABC [1] Keith Jackson Dan Fouts Todd Harris
January 1, 2004 ABC Keith Jackson Dan Fouts Todd Harris
January 1, 2003 ABC Brent Musburger Gary Danielson Jack Arute
January 3, 2002 ABC Keith Jackson Tim Brant Todd Harris and Lynn Swann
January 1, 2001 ABC Keith Jackson Tim Brant Todd Harris
January 1, 2000 ABC Keith Jackson Dan Fouts Todd Harris
January 1, 1999 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese Lynn Swann
January 1, 1998 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1997 ABC Brent Musburger Dick Vermeil
January 1, 1996 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 2, 1995 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1994 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1993 ABC Brent Musburger Dick Vermeil
January 1, 1992 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1991 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1990 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 2, 1989 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1988 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1987 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1986 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1985 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 2, 1984 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1983 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1982 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1981 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1980 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen and O. J. Simpson
January 1, 1979 NBC Curt Gowdy John Brodie and O. J. Simpson
January 2, 1978 NBC Curt Gowdy John Brodie
January 1, 1977 NBC Curt Gowdy Don Meredith
January 1, 1976 NBC Curt Gowdy Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1975 NBC Curt Gowdy Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1974 NBC Curt Gowdy Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1973 NBC Curt Gowdy Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1972 NBC Curt Gowdy Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1971 NBC Curt Gowdy Kyle Rote
January 1, 1970 NBC Curt Gowdy Kyle Rote
January 1, 1969 NBC Curt Gowdy Kyle Rote
January 1, 1968 NBC Curt Gowdy Paul Christman
January 2, 1967 NBC Lindsey Nelson Terry Brennan
January 1, 1966 NBC Lindsey Nelson Terry Brennan
January 1, 1965 NBC Lindsey Nelson Ray Scott
January 1, 1964 NBC Lindsey Nelson Terry Brennan
January 1, 1963 NBC Mel Allen Bill Symes
January 2, 1962 NBC[2] Mel Allen Braven Dyer
January 2, 1961 NBC Mel Allen Chick Hearn
January 1, 1960 NBC Mel Allen Chick Hearn
January 1, 1959 NBC Mel Allen Chick Hearn
January 1, 1958 NBC Mel Allen Chick Hearn
January 1, 1957 NBC Mel Allen Lee Giroux
January 2, 1956 NBC Mel Allen Sam Balter
January 1, 1955 NBC Mel Allen
January 1, 1954 NBC Mel Allen Tom Harmon
January 1, 1953 NBC Mel Allen
January 1, 1952 NBC[3] Mel Allen Jack Brickhouse



Back to top          IP Logged
IowaHawkI

YaBB Newbie




Posts: 17
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #5 - 01/10/09 at 16:18:03   I remember being out at my grandmas watching
the Fiesta Bowl. Seemed like ASU was in that bowl many times in the 70's.

IHI
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #6 - 01/10/09 at 16:21:51   Date Network Play-by-play Color commentator(s)
Sideline reporter(s)
January 2, 2009 FOX Kenny Albert Daryl Johnston Chris Myers and Charissa
Thompson
January 1, 2008 FOX Thom Brennaman Charles Davis Chris Myers
January 3, 2007 FOX Kenny Albert Terry Bradshaw and Howie Long Jeanne Zelasko
January 2, 2006 ABC Brad Nessler Bob Griese Lynn Swann
January 3, 2005 ABC Mike Tirico Tim Brant and Terry Bowden Suzy Shuster
January 4, 2004 ABC Brent Musburger Gary Danielson Jack Arute and Lynn Swann
January 1, 2003 ABC Brad Nessler Bob Griese Lynn Swann
January 1, 2002 ABC Mike Tirico David Norrie Jerry Punch
January 2, 2001 ABC Brent Musburger Gary Danielson Jack Arute
January 4, 2000 ABC Brent Musburger Gary Danielson Jack Arute and Lynn Swann
January 1, 1999 ABC Brent Musburger Dan Fouts Jack Arute
January 1, 1998 ABC Brent Musburger Dick Vermeil
January 2, 1997 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
December 31, 1995 ABC Mark Jones Todd Blackledge
January 2, 1995 ABC Brent Musburger Dick Vermeil
January 1, 1994 ABC Brent Musburger Dick Vermeil
January 1, 1993 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1992 ABC Al Michaels Frank Gifford and Dan Dierdorf
January 1, 1991 ABC Al Michaels Frank Gifford and Dan Dierdorf
January 1, 1990 ABC Al Michaels Frank Gifford and Dan Dierdorf
January 2, 1989 ABC Al Michaels Frank Gifford and Dan Dierdorf
January 1, 1988 ABC Keith Jackson Bob Griese
January 1, 1987 ABC Keith Jackson Tim Brant
January 1, 1986 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 1, 1985 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 2, 1984 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 1, 1983 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 1, 1982 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 1, 1981 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 1, 1980 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 1, 1979 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles
January 1, 1978 ABC Keith Jackson Ara Parseghian
January 1, 1977 ABC Keith Jackson Ara Parseghian
December 31, 1975 ABC Keith Jackson Bud Wilkinson
December 31, 1974 ABC Keith Jackson Barry Switzer
December 31, 1973 ABC Chris Schenkel Bud Wilkinson and Howard Cosell
December 31, 1972 ABC Chris Schenkel Bud Wilkinson
January 1, 1972 ABC Chris Schenkel Bud Wilkinson
January 1, 1971 ABC Chris Schenkel Bud Wilkinson
January 1, 1970 ABC Chris Schenkel Bud Wilkinson
January 1, 1969 NBC Charlie Jones George Ratterman
January 1, 1968 NBC Charlie Jones Elmer Angsman
January 2, 1967 NBC Jim Simpson Charlie Jones
January 1, 1966 NBC Jim Simpson Bud Wilkinson
January 1, 1965 NBC Bill Fleming Terry Brennan
January 1, 1964 NBC Ray Scott Frankie Albert
January 1, 1963 NBC Ray Scott Frankie Albert
January 1, 1962 NBC Lindsey Nelson Lee Giroux
January 2, 1961 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 1, 1960 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 1, 1959 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 1, 1958 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 1, 1957 ABC Ray Scott Herman Hickman
January 2, 1956 ABC Bill Stern
January 1, 1955 ABC Bill Stern Jack Drees
January 1, 1954 ABC Harry Wismer
January 1, 1953 ABC Jim Britt Tom Leavitt
[hide]v • d • eSugar Bowl

the 1956 sugar bowl had Ray Scott as the analyst but he became the play by play
announcer when Bill Stern broke down due to his pain killing medicine addiction
during the game.  It was also the first Sugar Bowl to have a black player Bobby
Grier of Pittsburgh.

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #7 - 01/10/09 at 16:24:43   Television network, play-by-play and color
commentator for the Orange Bowl from 1953 to the present

Date Network Play-by-play Color commentator Sideline reporters
January 1, 2009 FOX Thom Brennaman Charles Davis Chris Myers
January 3, 2008 FOX Kenny Albert Daryl Johnston and Barry Alvarez Jeanne Zelasko
January 2, 2007 FOX Matt Vasgersian Terry Donahue and Pat Haden Laura Okmin
January 3, 2006 ABC Mike Tirico Kirk Herbstreit Erin Andrews
January 4, 2005 ABC Brad Nessler Bob Griese Lynn Swann and Todd Harris
January 1, 2004 ABC Brad Nessler Bob Griese Lynn Swann
January 2, 2003 ABC Tim Brant Ed Cunningham Sam Ryan
January 2, 2002 ABC Brad Nessler Bob Griese Lynn Swann
January 3, 2001 ABC Brad Nessler Bob Griese Lynn Swann and Jack Arute
January 1, 2000 ABC Brad Nessler Bob Griese Lynn Swann
January 2, 1999 ABC Brad Nessler Gary Danielson Dean Blevins
January 2, 1998 CBS Sean McDonough Terry Donahue
December 31, 1996 CBS Sean McDonough Mike Mayock
January 1, 1996 CBS Sean McDonough Pat Haden
January 1, 1995 NBC Tom Hammond Cris Collinsworth John Dockery
January 1, 1994 NBC Dick Enberg Bob Trumpy O.J. Simpson
January 1, 1993 NBC Don Criqui Bob Trumpy
January 1, 1992 NBC Dick Enberg Bill Walsh
January 1, 1991 NBC Dick Enberg Bill Walsh
January 1, 1990 NBC Dick Enberg Bill Walsh
January 2, 1989 NBC Don Criqui Bob Trumpy
January 1, 1988 NBC Don Criqui Bob Trumpy
January 1, 1987 NBC Don Criqui Bob Trumpy
January 1, 1986 NBC Don Criqui Bob Trumpy and Bob Griese Jimmy Cefalo
January 1, 1985 NBC Don Criqui Bob Trumpy
January 2, 1984 NBC Don Criqui John Brodie
January 1, 1983 NBC Don Criqui John Brodie
January 1, 1982 NBC Don Criqui John Brodie
January 1, 1981 NBC Don Criqui John Brodie
January 1, 1980 NBC Don Criqui John Brodie
January 1, 1979 NBC Dick Enberg Merlin Olsen
January 2, 1978 NBC Jim Simpson Merlin Olsen
January 1, 1977 NBC Jim Simpson John Brodie
January 1, 1976 NBC Jim Simpson John Brodie
January 1, 1975 NBC Jim Simpson John Brodie
January 1, 1974 NBC Jim Simpson Kyle Rote
January 1, 1973 NBC Jim Simpson Kyle Rote
January 1, 1972 NBC Jim Simpson Kyle Rote
January 1, 1971 NBC Jim Simpson Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1970 NBC Jim Simpson Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1969 NBC Jim Simpson Al DeRogatis
January 1, 1968 NBC Jim Simpson Kyle Rote
January 2, 1967 NBC Curt Gowdy Paul Christman
January 1, 1966 NBC Curt Gowdy Paul Christman
January 1, 1965 NBC Curt Gowdy Paul Christman
January 1, 1964 ABC Curt Gowdy Paul Christman
January 1, 1963 ABC Curt Gowdy Paul Christman
January 1, 1962 ABC Curt Gowdy Paul Christman
January 2, 1961 CBS Ray Scott Paul Christman
January 1, 1960 CBS Joe Boland Paul Christman
January 1, 1959 CBS Joe Boland Jim McKay
January 1, 1958 CBS Chris Schenkel Johnny Lujack
January 1, 1957 CBS Tom Harmon
January 2, 1956 CBS Tom Harmon Chris Schenkel
January 1, 1955 CBS Bob Neal
January 1, 1954 CBS Red Barber
January 1, 1953 CBS Red Barber

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #8 - 01/10/09 at 16:37:57   1994-1995
December 15 Las Vegas Bowl ESPN Central Michigan vs UNLV
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Kansas State Boston College Mark Jones, Tim Brant,
Dean Blevins
December 27 Freedom Bowl Syndicated Utah Arizona Dave Barnett, Dave Rowe
December 28 Independence Bowl ESPN Virginia TCU Sean Mc Donough, Rick Walker,
Dan Dobenham
December 29 Copper Bowl ESPN Oklahoma BYU Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried, Mike
Adamle
December 30 Heritage Bowl ESPN South Carolina State Grambling Joel Meyers, Todd
Blackledge, Jerry Punch
December 30 Gator Bowl TBS Tennessee Va Tech Gary Bender, Pat Haden, Craig Sager
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Colorado State Michigan Brad Nessler, Gary
Danielson, Adrien Karsten
December 31 Peach Bowl ESPN E Carolina Illinois Gary Thorne, Mike Mayock
December 31 Alamo Bowl ESPN Baylor Washington State Dave Sims, Rick Walker, Dan
Dobenham
January 2 Hall of Fame Bowl ESPN Wisconsin Duke Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried
January 2 Citrus Bowl ABC Mark Jones, Tim Brant, Dean Blevins
January 2 Carquest Bowl CBS Verne Lundquist, Dan Fouts, Michele Tafoya

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #9 - 01/11/09 at 12:56:53   1956-1957
Gator Bowl Georgia Tech Pittsburgh CBS TV Chris Schenkel,  Jim Gibbons December
28 2 EST
1957-1958
Gator Bowl Tennesee Texas A and M CBS TV Joe Boland, Herman Hickman December 27
2 EST
1958-1959
Gator bowl Florida Ole Miss CBS TV
Bluegrass Bowl Oklahoma State Florida State ABC TV Harry Wismer, Howard Cosell
1959-1960
Copper Bowl all star game December 29 CBS TV Tom Harmon, George Connor
Gator Bowl January 2 Georgia Tech Arkansas CBS Tom harmon
Liberty Bowl NBC Lindsey Nelson, Red Grange
1962-1963
Gator Bowl December 29 CBS Jim Gibbons, Jack Drees, Johnny Lujack
Gotham Bowl December 15 ABC Nebraska Miami Curt Gowdy, Paul Christman
1963-1964
Sun Bowl December 31 Regional Doug La Mear, Frank Glieber Oregon vs SMU
Gator Bowl December 28 CBS Air Force North Carolina Lindsey Nelson, Terry
Brennan, Jim Simpson

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #10 - 01/11/09 at 18:48:38   Date Network Play-by-play Color
commentator(s) Sideline reporter(s)
January 2, 2009 FOX Pat Summerall Brian Baldinger Jeanne Zelasko and Krista Voda
January 1, 2008 FOX Pat Summerall Brian Baldinger Jeanne Zelasko and Krista Voda
January 1, 2007 FOX Pat Summerall Brian Baldinger Krista Voda
January 2, 2006 FOX Thom Brennaman Terry Donahue Jeanne Zelasko and Chris Rix
January 1, 2005 FOX Thom Brennaman Brian Baldinger Jeanne Zelasko
January 2, 2004 FOX Thom Brennaman Tim Green and Bill Maas Brian Baldinger
January 1, 2003 FOX Thom Brennaman Tim Green and Ron Pitts Brian Baldinger
January 1, 2002 FOX Thom Brennaman Tim Green and Dave Lapham Brian Baldinger
January 1, 2001 FOX Thom Brennaman Tim Green and Dave Lapham Brian Baldinger
January 1, 2000 FOX Thom Brennaman Tim Green and Dave Lapham Mike Doocy
January 1, 1999 FOX Joe Buck Bill Maas Suzy Kolber and Ron Pitts
January 1, 1998 CBS Gus Johnson Mike Mayock
January 1, 1997 CBS Tim Ryan Steve Davis
January 1, 1996 CBS Verne Lundquist Steve Davis
January 2, 1995 NBC Jim Lampley Todd Christensen
January 1, 1994 NBC Charlie Jones Todd Christensen
January 1, 1993 NBC Tom Hammond Paul Maguire
January 1, 1992 CBS Jim Nantz Terry Bradshaw
January 1, 1991 CBS Jim Nantz Tim Brant
January 1, 1990 CBS Jim Nantz Pat Haden
January 2, 1989 CBS Verne Lundquist Pat Haden
January 1, 1988 CBS Brent Musburger Pat Haden
January 1, 1987 CBS Verne Lundquist Pat Haden and Ara Parseghian
January 1, 1986 CBS Brent Musburger Ara Parseghian
January 1, 1985 CBS Lindsey Nelson Pat Haden
January 2, 1984 CBS Lindsey Nelson Pat Haden
January 1, 1983 CBS Lindsey Nelson Pat Haden
January 1, 1982 CBS Lindsey Nelson Roger Staubach Frank Glieber
January 1, 1981 CBS Lindsey Nelson Roger Staubach Frank Glieber
January 1, 1980 CBS Lindsey Nelson Paul Hornung Frank Glieber
January 1, 1979 CBS Lindsey Nelson Paul Hornung Frank Glieber
January 2, 1978 CBS Lindsey Nelson Paul Hornung and Paul Alexander Don Criqui
January 1, 1977 CBS Lindsey Nelson Paul Hornung
January 1, 1976 CBS Lindsey Nelson Alex Hawkins
January 1, 1975 CBS Lindsey Nelson Johnny Sauer
January 1, 1974 CBS Lindsey Nelson Tom Brookshier
January 1, 1973 CBS Lindsey Nelson Tom Brookshier
January 1, 1972 CBS Lindsey Nelson Tom Brookshier
January 1, 1971 CBS Lindsey Nelson Tom Brookshier
January 1, 1970 CBS Lindsey Nelson Tom Brookshier
January 1, 1969 CBS Frank Glieber Eddie LeBaron
January 1, 1968 CBS Lindsey Nelson Johnny Sauer
December 31, 1966 CBS Jack Drees Pat Summerall
January 1, 1966 CBS Jack Whitaker Frank Gifford
January 1, 1965 CBS Jack Buck George Connor
January 1, 1964 CBS Chris Schenkel Pat Summerall
January 1, 1963 CBS Lindsey Nelson Terry Brennan
January 1, 1962 CBS Chris Schenkel Johnny Lujack
January 2, 1961 CBS Jack Drees Terry Brennan
January 1, 1960 CBS Jack Drees Forest Evashevski
January 1, 1959 CBS Tom Harmon Darrell Royal
January 1, 1958 CBS Tom Harmon
January 1, 1957 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 2, 1956 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 1, 1955 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 1, 1954 NBC Lindsey Nelson Red Grange
January 1, 1953 NBC Bill Stern Joe Hasel
[hide]v • d • eCotton Bowl


Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #11 - 01/11/09 at 19:21:08   1978-1979
12-15 Garden State Bowl Rutgers Arizona State Mizlou Merle Harmon, Al De
Rogatis, Howard David
12-20 Hall of Fame Bowl Texas A and Mi Iowa State Mizlou Lindsey Nelson, Don
Perkins, Howard David
12-22 Holiday Bowl Navy-BYU Mizlou Nelson, Paul Dietzel, Mike Smith
12-23 Liberty Bowl Missouri-LSU ABC Chris Schenkel, Ara Parseghian
12-23 Tangerine Bowl Pittsburgh-NC State Mizlou Duane Dow, Don Perkins, Howard
David
12-25 Peach Bowl CBS Lindsey Nelson, Paul Hornung Purdue-Ga Tech
12-25 Fiesta Bowl NBC Curt Gowdy, John Brodie, Mike Haffner Arkansas-UCLA
12-29 Gator Bowl ABC Clemson Ohio State Keith Jackson, Ara Parseghian
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #12 - 01/11/09 at 19:55:40   1979-1980
December 15 Garden State Temple California Merle Harmon, Al De Rogatis, Howard
David
December 15 Independence McNeese Syracuse not televised
December 21 Indiana BYU Mizlou Harmon, Don Perkins, Howard David
December 22 Liberty Bowl Tulane Penn State Keith Jackson, Ara Parseghian, Verne
Lundquist ABC
December 22 Tangerine Bowl Wake Forest-LSU Ray Scott, Johnny Unitas, Howard
David Mizlou

December 25 Fiesta Bowl Pittsburgh-Arizona NBC Charlie Jones, Len Dawson
Deccember 28 Gator Bowl North Carolina-Michigan ABC Keith Jackson, Ara
Parseghian
December 29 Hall Of Fame Missouri-South Carolina Mizlou Ray Scott, Don Perkins,
Howard David
December 31 Bluebonnet Purdue-Tennessee Mizlou Merle Harmon, Don Perkins, Duane
Dow
December 31 Peach Clemson-Baylor CBS Gary Bender, Sonny Jurgensen
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #13 - 01/11/09 at 20:02:24   1980 bowl games
December 13 Garden State Bowl Mizlou Navy Houston Bob Murphy, Al DeRogatis,
Howard David
December 19 Holiday Bowl Mizlou BYU SMU Ray Scott, Grady Alderman, Duane Dow
December 20 Tangerine Bowl Mizlou Maryland Florida Howard David, John Unitas
December 26 Fiesta Bowl NBC Penn State Ohio State Charlie Jones, Len Dawson,
Mike  Haffner
December 27 Liberty Bowl ABC MIssouri-Purdue Jim Lampley, Steve Davis
December 27 Hall of Fame Bowl Mizlou Tulane-Arkansas Ray Scott, John Unitas,
Howard David
December 29 Gator Bowl ABC South Carolina-Pittsburgh Al Michaels, Ara Parseghian
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Mizlou North Carolina-Texas Mizlou Ray Scott, John
Unitas, Howard David
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #14 - 01/11/09 at 20:17:59   1981 Bowl Games
December 12 Garden State Mizlou Wisconsin Tennessee Ray Scott, Al De Rogatis
December 12 Independence Mizlou Oklahoma State Texas A and M Howard David, Danny
Abramowicz, Steve Grad
December 19 California Bowl Mizlou San Jose State Toledo Ray Scott, Lee Corso
December 19 Tangerine Bowl Southern Mississippi Missouri Mizlou
December 28 Gator Bowl North Carolina Arkansas ABC Al Michaels, Ara Parseghian,
Steve Davis
December 30 Liberty Bowl USA (First Bowl exclusively on Cable)
Ohio State Navy Harry Kalas, Joe Theismann, Jeff Logan, Johnny Holliday
December 31 Hall of Fame Mizlou Merle Harmon, Danny Abramowicz
December 31 Peach Bowl West Virginia Florida Frank Glieber, Johnny Morris, Dick
Stockton
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Mizlou Ray Scott, Lee Corso, Howard David.
Back to top          IP Logged
IowaHawkI

YaBB Newbie




Posts: 17
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #15 - 01/11/09 at 20:42:02   I see Lindsey Nelson did some games for
MIZLOU, yet he was still employed by CBS during that time.  Whats the reasoning
behind that?

I found on youtube today Ray Scott calling a Notre Dame game against Michigan
State in 1973 with the Golden Boy doing color. Intresting.
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #16 - 01/11/09 at 20:56:45   1993-94
December 17 ESPN Las Vegas Bowl Ball State Utah State
Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried, Sharlene Hawkes
December 25 ABC Aloha Bowl Colorado Fresno State
Mark Jones, Tim Brant
December 28 ESPN Liberty Bowl Louisville Michigan State
Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried, Adrien Karsten
December 29 ESPN Copper Bowl Kansas State Wyoming
Kevin Harlan, Craig James, Mike Adamle
December 30 ESPN Holiday Bowl BYU Ohio State
Brad Nessler, Gary Danielson, Sharlene Hawkes
December 30 KTLA Freedom Bowl USC Utah
December 31 ESPN Independence Bowl  Virginia Tech Indiana
Joel Meyers, Rick Walker, Mike Mayock
December 31 ESPN Peach Bowl Clemson Kentucky
Kevin Harlan, Craig James, Mike Adamle
December 31 TBS Gator Bowl Alabama North Carolina
December 31 ESPN Alamo Bowl Iowa California
Sean Mc Donough, Todd Blackledge, Dave Sims
Back to top          IP Logged
sportas2

Junior Member




Posts: 88
Gender:
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #17 - 01/11/09 at 21:54:31   Quote from IowaHawkI on 01/10/09 at 16:18:03:
I remember being out at my grandmas watching the Fiesta Bowl. Seemed like ASU
was in that bowl many times in the 70's.

IHI

Arizona State was in the Fiesta Bowl a lot in the 70s.  Actually, they were the
reason the Fiesta Bowl started in the first place.  ASU was in the WAC until
1978, and even though they consistently won the league they could not secure a
bowl invitation to a larger game.  So they started the Fiesta Bowl in their
hometown of Tempe so they would have a bowl game to play in.

In 1978, ASU and Arizona joined the Pac-8 (changed to the Pac-10) and the Fiesta
Bowl started inviting other teams, and raised its profile, getting to New Year's
Day in 1982.  It then jumped for a mid-New Year's Day game to a top-tier game
with the memorable Penn State-Miami game in January 1987 for the national title,
and it has been a top-tier game since.
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just follow that line forever. When you reach the end, turn left.   IP Logged
sportas2

Junior Member




Posts: 88
Gender:
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #18 - 01/11/09 at 21:55:46   Thanks everyone for their help.  I'm going to
compile everything in a master list so keep any updates coming.  When we've got
a good bit together, I'll re-post this under one thread, with sub-threads for
each year (similar to JP's thread for the NFL announcing crews).

Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just follow that line forever. When you reach the end, turn left.   IP Logged
hawkhawg40

God Member




Posts: 698
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #19 - 01/12/09 at 02:49:33   December 15 Independence McNeese Syracuse
WTCG/WTBS Bob Neal, ??

Back to top          IP Logged
mikejwa

Full Member




Posts: 113
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #20 - 01/12/09 at 21:00:14   Rose Bowl is amazing, only six announcers
have ever called the game on TV!

Mel Allen, Lindsey Nelson, Curt Gowdy, Dick Enberg, Keith Jackson and Brent
Musburger.
Back to top         IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #21 - 01/12/09 at 21:09:14   1959 Gator Bowl December 28 CBS Jim Gibbons,
George Connor
Back to top          IP Logged
Bearfan

Full Member




Posts: 223
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #22 - 01/12/09 at 21:35:55   The 1980 Tangerine Bowl on Mizlou had Steve
Grad as the sideline announcer.  He did a post-game
interview with a Gator WR named....Chris Collinsworth.
Back to top         IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #23 - 01/12/09 at 21:52:18   when Steve Grad was at KMBC in Kansas City
his weekend sports anchors included Craig Sager and Bill MacAtee wonder whatever
happened to them. Also a reporter there was Russ Mitchell.
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #24 - 01/12/09 at 22:08:30   1982 1983 bowl game announcers
December 11 Independence Bowl ESPN Kansas State Wisconsin Jim Simpson, Bud
Wilkinson
December 17 Holiday Bowl ESPN Ohio State BYU Fred White, Irv Brown
December 18 California Bowl ESPN Bowling Green Fresno State Kevin Slaten, Ken
Willard, Duane Dow
December 18 Tangerine Bowl ESPN Mizlou Boston College Auburn
December 25 Aloha Bowl ESPN Metrosports Maryland Washington Harry Kalas, Joe
Kapp, Les Keiter
December 29 Liberty Bowl ESPN Metrosports Illinois Alabama Harry Kalas, Joe
Kapp, Johnny Holiday
December 30 Gator Bowl ABC West Virginia Florida State Al Michaels, Lee
Grosscup, Anne Simon
December 31 Hall of Fame Bowl ESPN and Mizlou Air Force Vanderbilt
ESPN crew Kevin Slaten, Ken Willard
Mizlou crew Merle Harmon, Johnny Unitas
Dont understand the 2 crews
December 31 Peach Bowl CBS Iowa Tennessee Verne Lundquist, Steve Davis
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl ESPN and Mizlou Florida Arkansas
ESPN Crew Fred White Paul Maguire Mizlou Ray Scott, Lee Corso

Could the reason for the split crews is because ESPN was in so few homes back
then.
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #25 - 01/12/09 at 22:16:02   1983-1984 bowl games
December 10 Independence ESPN (a Mizlou broadcast) Air Force-Missisisippi Howard
David, Ken Willard and Steve Grad
December 17 California Bowl ESPN N Illinois-Fullerton Fred White, Ken Willard,
Steve Grad
December 17 Citrus Bowl Mizlou Maryland-Tennessee Howard David, Lee Corso, Duane
Dow
December 22 Hall of Fame Bowl TBS West Virginia-Kentucky Bob Neal, Tim Foley
December 23 Holiday Bowl ESPN Missouri-BYU Jim Simpson, Bud Wilkinson, Mike
Smith, Greg Wyatt
December 26 Aloha Bowl ESPN Penn State-Washington
December 29 Liberty Bowl Katz Sports Boston College-Notre Dame Curt Gowdy, Bud
Wilkinson, Dave Diles
December 30 Peach Bowl CBS North Carolina-Florida State Verne Lundquist, Steve
Davis
December 30 Gator Bowl ABC Iowa-Florida Al Michaels, Frank Broyles (Lee Grosscup
was scheduled but had the stomach flu)

Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #26 - 01/12/09 at 22:16:06   Quote from ku528808 on 01/12/09 at 21:09:14:
1959 Gator Bowl December 28 CBS Jim Gibbons, George Connor if you mean
Arkansas-Georgia Tech the game was on Jan 2, 1960; I have Tom Harmon on pbp with
Connor, but I could be mistaken; or you have a different Gator Bowl in mind

Back to top         IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #27 - 01/12/09 at 22:21:56   Quote from ku528808 on 01/12/09 at 22:16:02:
1983-1984 bowl games
December 10 Independence ESPN (a Mizlou broadcast) Air Force-Missisisippi Howard
David, Ken Willard and Steve Grad
December 17 California Bowl ESPN N Illinois-Fullerton Fred White, Ken Willard,
Steve Grad
December 17 Citrus Bowl Mizlou Maryland-Tennessee Howard David, Lee Corso, Duane
Dow
December 22 Hall of Fame Bowl TBS West Virginia-Kentucky Bob Neal, Tim Foley
December 23 Holiday Bowl ESPN Missouri-BYU Jim Simpson, Bud Wilkinson, Mike
Smith, Greg Wyatt
December 26 Aloha Bowl ESPN Penn State-Washington
December 29 Liberty Bowl Katz Sports Boston College-Notre Dame Curt Gowdy, Bud
Wilkinson, Dave Diles
December 30 Peach Bowl CBS North Carolina-Florida State Verne Lundquist, Steve
Davis
December 30 Gator Bowl ABC Iowa-Florida Al Michaels, Frank Broyles (Lee Grosscup
was scheduled but had the stomach flu)
great find on the Broyles for Grosscup switch; I didn't know that;
Ray Scott/Joe Buttita on ESPN Aloha Bowl;  are you sure it was Steve Grad on
California Bowl? I have Greg Wyatt, with Grad doing pbp on ABC coverage of
Union-Augustana Div III championship game that same day, with Bob Lee as analyst

Back to top         IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #28 - 01/12/09 at 22:24:26   1984-1985 bowl games
December 15 California Bowl Mizlou UNLV-Toledo Duane Dow, Ed Biles, Joe Rocco
December 15 Independence Bowl Mizlou Air Force-Virginia Tech Duane Dow, Paul
Maguire, Howard David
December 21 Holiday Bowl ESPN and Mizlou BYU-Michigan Howard David, Paul
Maguire, Greg Wyatt and Mike Smith.
December 22 Citrus Bowl NBC Florida State-Georgia Don Criqui, Bob Trumpy
December 26 Freedom Bowl Metrosports Iowa-Texas Sam Nover, Jack Snow
December 27 Liberty Bowl Katz Sports Auburn-Arkansas Curt Gowdy, Len Dawson
December 28 Gator Bowl ABC Oklahoma State-South Carolina Al Michaels, Lee
Grosscup, Lynn Swann
December 29 Aloha Bowl Metrosports Notre Dame-SMU Harry Kalas, George Connor,
Jack Snow
December 29 Hall of Fame Bowl TBS Kentucky-Wisconsin Bob Neal, Tim Foley
December 31 Peach Bowl CBS Verne Lundquist, Steve Davis
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Mizlou TCU-West Virginia Merle Harmon, Ed Biles,
Steve Grad, Duane Dow
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #29 - 01/12/09 at 22:28:50   that is right on the grad reference the gator
bowl i was referring to was the one played on December 28 1960.
Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #30 - 01/12/09 at 22:31:05   Quote from ku528808 on 01/12/09 at 22:24:26:
1984-1985 bowl games
December 15 California Bowl Mizlou UNLV-Toledo Duane Dow, Ed Biles, Joe Rocco
December 15 Independence Bowl Mizlou Air Force-Virginia Tech Duane Dow, Paul
Maguire, Howard David
December 21 Holiday Bowl ESPN and Mizlou BYU-Michigan Howard David, Paul
Maguire, Greg Wyatt and Mike Smith.
December 22 Citrus Bowl NBC Florida State-Georgia Don Criqui, Bob Trumpy
December 26 Freedom Bowl Metrosports Iowa-Texas Sam Nover, Jack Snow
December 27 Liberty Bowl Katz Sports Auburn-Arkansas Curt Gowdy, Len Dawson
December 28 Gator Bowl ABC Oklahoma State-South Carolina Al Michaels, Lee
Grosscup, Lynn Swann
December 29 Aloha Bowl Metrosports Notre Dame-SMU Harry Kalas, George Connor,
Jack Snow
December 29 Hall of Fame Bowl TBS Kentucky-Wisconsin Bob Neal, Tim Foley
December 31 Peach Bowl CBS Verne Lundquist, Steve Davis
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Mizlou TCU-West Virginia Merle Harmon, Ed Biles,
Steve Grad, Duane Dow Dow did not do two games on Dec 15; believe the
Independence Bowl to be Howard David, Paul Maguire, Steve Grad

Back to top         IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #31 - 01/12/09 at 22:38:59   1985-1986 bowl games
December 14 California Bowl ESPN Mizlou  Bowling Green Fresno
Duane Dow, Ed Biles, Greg Wyatt
December 21 Cherry Bowl USA Maryland Syracuse Ray Lane, Jim Branstetter
December 21 Independence Bowl USA Mizlou Clemson Minnesota
Howard David, Bob Casciola, Steve Grad
December 22 Holiday Bowl Arkansas Arizona State
USA Eddie Doucette, Kyle Rote Lorimar Tom Hammond, Terry Donahue and Geoff
Witcher
December 27 Liberty Bowl LSU Baylor not sure of broadcaster
Merle Harmon, Kevin Kiley, Bud Wilkinson
December 28  Citrus Bowl  NBC BYU Ohio State Jay Randolph, Dave Rowe, Tom
Hammond
December 28 Aloha Bowl Innvoative Sports USC Alabama Harry Kalas, Dennis Green,
Bill Corley
December 30 Gator Bowl ABC Al Michaels, Lee Grosscup, Al Trautwig
December 30 Freedom Bowl Colorado Washington
USA Eddie Doucette, Kyle Rote Innovative Barry Tompkins, Lou Holtz, Geoff
Witcher
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Air Force-Texas
Innovative Sports (shown on USA) Tom Hammond, Gifford Nielsen, Gary Gallup
December 31 Peach Bowl CBS Army Illinois Gary Bender, Steve Davis
December 31 All American Bowl TBS Georgia Tech Michigan State Bob Neal, Tim
Foley and Paul Hornung
Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #32 - 01/12/09 at 22:42:06   Quote from ku528808 on 01/11/09 at 12:56:53:
1956-1957
Gator Bowl Georgia Tech Pittsburgh CBS TV Chris Schenkel,  Jim Gibbons December
28 2 EST


This was the original assignment, and I believe published in the Sporting News;
but I can't recall where I learned this, they switched to Jim Gibbons, Herman
Hickman, probably owing to Schenkel being selected to work the NFL championship
game on NBC with Jack Brickhouse and Red Grange on Dec 30 at Yankee Stadium
Back to top         IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #33 - 01/12/09 at 22:46:49   1986-1987 bowl games
December 13 California Bowl ESPN San Jose Miami Ohio Pete Leibengood, Gene
Washington
December 20 Independence Bowl USA/Mizlou Ole Miss Texas Tech  Howard David, Bob
Casciola
December 23 Hall of Fame Bowl FNN/Mizlou Georgia Boston College Howard David,
Lee Corso, Bob Casciola, Steve Grad
December 27 Gator Bowl CBS Clemson Stanford Verne Lundquist, Pat Haden, John
Dockery, Jim Nantz
December27 Aloha Bowl ABC Arizona North Carolina Al Michaels, Mike Adamle
December 29 Liberty Bowl Raycom Minnesota Tennessee Merle Harmon, Kevin Kiley
December 30 Freedom Bowl Mizlou BYU UCLA Howard David, Jack Snow
December 30 Holiday Bowl Iowa San Diego State ESPN Jay Randolph
December 31 Peach Bowl Mizlou/USA North Carolina State Virginia Tech
Ray Scott, Lee Corso
December 31 Raycom Bluebonnet Bowl Colorado-Baylor Merle Harmon, Kevin Kiley
December 31 All American Bowl WTBS Bob Neal, Tim Foley, Paul Hornung
Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #34 - 01/12/09 at 22:59:06   Quote from ku528808 on 01/12/09 at 22:38:59:
1985-1986 bowl games
December 14 California Bowl ESPN Mizlou  Bowling Green Fresno
Duane Dow, Ed Biles, Greg Wyatt
December 21 Cherry Bowl USA Maryland Syracuse Ray Lane, Jim Branstetter
December 21 Independence Bowl USA Mizlou Clemson Minnesota
Howard David, Bob Casciola, Steve Grad
December 22 Holiday Bowl Arkansas Arizona State
USA Eddie Doucette, Kyle Rote Lorimar Tom Hammond, Terry Donahue and Geoff
Witcher
December 27 Liberty Bowl LSU Baylor not sure of broadcaster
Merle Harmon, Kevin Kiley, Bud Wilkinson
December 28  Citrus Bowl  NBC BYU Ohio State Jay Randolph, Dave Rowe, Tom
Hammond
December 28 Aloha Bowl Innvoative Sports USC Alabama Harry Kalas, Dennis Green,
Bill Corley
December 30 Gator Bowl ABC Al Michaels, Lee Grosscup, Al Trautwig
December 30 Freedom Bowl Colorado Washington
USA Eddie Doucette, Kyle Rote Innovative Barry Tompkins, Lou Holtz, Geoff
Witcher
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Air Force-Texas
Innovative Sports (shown on USA) Tom Hammond, Gifford Nielsen, Gary Gallup
December 31 Peach Bowl CBS Army Illinois Gary Bender, Steve Davis
December 31 All American Bowl TBS Georgia Tech Michigan State Bob Neal, Tim
Foley and Paul Hornung on Bluebonnet Bowl I have Bob Carpenter, Jean Fugett;
possibly Hammond+ did game for Lorimar and there was another feed; believe I got
this from USAToday;  also the Kyle Rote doing games in 1985 was not the same one
who did games in the 60s and 70s, it was his son Kyle Rote Jr. who was a soccer
player, not a football player

Back to top         IP Logged
Bearfan

Full Member




Posts: 223
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #35 - 01/13/09 at 00:48:08   Having lived in KC during part of the 70's
and 80's it should be corrected that Bill Macatee and
Craig Sager were actually on KMBC prior to Steve Grad's arrival.  In fact, it
seems that Sager
was Don Fortune's weekend guy until Fortune moved to channel 5, the CBS
affiliate.
Back to top         IP Logged
CribbsProBowl

Full Member




Posts: 166
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #36 - 01/13/09 at 01:33:47   Why did O.J. Simpson get replaced by John
Dockery as sideline reporter for the 1995 Orange Bowl?

I think the Mark Jones-Tim Brant 94-95 Citrus Bowl tandem is in competition with
the Keith Jackson-Dan Fouts 02-03 Fiesta Bowl to be the worst announcing crew
for an Ohio State bowl game.
Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #37 - 01/13/09 at 01:42:49   Quote from ku528808 on 01/12/09 at 22:46:49:
1986-1987 bowl games

December 30 Holiday Bowl Iowa San Diego State ESPN Jay Randolph


Jay Randolph, Dave Logan
Back to top         IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #38 - 01/13/09 at 01:45:42   Quote from CribbsProBowl on 01/13/09 at
01:33:47:
Why did O.J. Simpson get replaced by John Dockery as sideline reporter for the
1995 Orange Bowl?
.
Ask Judge Ito, Marcia Clark, Robert Shapiro, perhaps one of them will remember

Back to top         IP Logged
paulsonj72

Full Member




Posts: 120
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #39 - 01/13/09 at 01:56:31   Quote from ku528808 on 01/12/09 at 22:08:30:
1982 1983 bowl game announcers
December 11 Independence Bowl ESPN Kansas State Wisconsin Jim Simpson, Bud
Wilkinson
December 17 Holiday Bowl ESPN Ohio State BYU Fred White, Irv Brown
December 18 California Bowl ESPN Bowling Green Fresno State Kevin Slaten, Ken
Willard, Duane Dow
December 18 Tangerine Bowl ESPN Mizlou Boston College Auburn
December 25 Aloha Bowl ESPN Metrosports Maryland Washington Harry Kalas, Joe
Kapp, Les Keiter
December 29 Liberty Bowl ESPN Metrosports Illinois Alabama Harry Kalas, Joe
Kapp, Johnny Holiday
December 30 Gator Bowl ABC West Virginia Florida State Al Michaels, Lee
Grosscup, Anne Simon
December 31 Hall of Fame Bowl ESPN and Mizlou Air Force Vanderbilt
ESPN crew Kevin Slaten, Ken Willard
Mizlou crew Merle Harmon, Johnny Unitas
Dont understand the 2 crews
December 31 Peach Bowl CBS Iowa Tennessee Verne Lundquist, Steve Davis
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl ESPN and Mizlou Florida Arkansas
ESPN Crew Fred White Paul Maguire Mizlou Ray Scott, Lee Corso

Could the reason for the split crews is because ESPN was in so few homes back
then.

Actually, I think Mizlou was the network that had the rights & ESPN was actually
doing the simulcasting, and thus using there own braodcast talent but not
production people. Mizlou for a long period of time used to have an impressive
network of stations lined up & they were the network thad actually broadcast a
majority of the bowls. In Minneapolis/St Paul I remember KMSP being the
affiliiate. In a diffrent year(1980) Ray Scott & Grady Alderman did the Holiday
bowl on a Friday night(I believe) and since they were the Minnesoata Vikings
radio team at the time did the Vikings game on the radio on Sunday for WCCO

Back to top         IP Logged
wdoodlesonII

God Member




Posts: 2445
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #40 - 01/13/09 at 03:58:56   Quote from jtgrace1 on 01/13/09 at 01:45:42:
Quote from CribbsProBowl on 01/13/09 at 01:33:47:
Why did O.J. Simpson get replaced by John Dockery as sideline reporter for the
1995 Orange Bowl?
.
Ask Judge Ito, Marcia Clark, Robert Shapiro, perhaps one of them will remember


They did their damndest to make sure he was available for any games on New
Year's Day in '96
Back to top          IP Logged
pstokely

Senior Member




Posts: 371
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #41 - 01/13/09 at 12:53:25   Does any have a partial list of the stations
that aired the Mizlou games?
Back to top         IP Logged
Nickle98499

YaBB Newbie




Posts: 23
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #42 - 01/13/09 at 13:43:19   Quote from pstokely on 01/13/09 at 12:53:25:
Does any have a partial list of the stations that aired the Mizlou games?

I don't have a full list but I can give you a few from my research into the
subject, this is from microfilm copies of the Tacoma News Tribune(our local
newspaper) from the Lakewood Library and from their microfilm and proquest
copies of the New York Times, keep in mind some of these are guesses and I
cannont remember which games were carried at the moment:

Seattle-Tacoma: KSTW/KTNT 11 carried some mizlou games from the early 70's to
about 1981, KCPQ 13 carried the games from 1982(?) until about 1988 or whenever
they stopped producing the games. As for the big apple: WPIX 11 carried some
games from 1982? to 1987 or whenever they stopped carrying the games.

As for other cities, I would imagine that in major cities like LA, Boston and
Chicago Independent stations probably carried the games, I would also imagine in
some smaller markets a few ABC/NBC/CBS stations carried the games, of course
someone would have to verify this.
Back to top         IP Logged
SRIV94

God Member




Posts: 3201
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #43 - 01/13/09 at 14:14:58   Quote from ku528808 on 01/12/09 at 22:46:49:
December 31 All American Bowl WTBS Bob Neal, Tim Foley, Paul Hornung
That was Indiana/Florida State, no?
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Doug
-----------------------------------
Marking over 3000 messages of mirth, merriment, madness and mistakes.   IP
Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #44 - 01/13/09 at 22:32:33   1987-88 Bowl Games
December 12 California Bowl ESPN E Michigan San Jose Greg Papa, Stan White
December 19 Independence Bowl Mizlou Tulane Washington Lanny James, Bob
Casciola, Steve Grad (not sure on where was Howard David my original notes have
him scratched out)
December 22 All American Bowl Raycom BYU Virginia Ron Franklin, Dave Rowe
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Florida UCLA Keith Jackson, Bob Griese, Mike Adamle
December 29 Liberty Bowl Syndicated Arkansas Georgia Phil Stone, Dave Rowe sure
it was Raycom
December 30 Freedom Bowl Mizlou Arizona State Air Force Ray Scott, Jack Snow and
Rock Rote
(not Kyle Rote Jr)
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Wyoming Iowa Jim Kelly, Kevin Kiley
December 31 Gator Bowl CBS South Carolina LSU Verne Lundquist, Dick Vermeil,
James Brown
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Mizlou Pittsburgh Texas Steve Grad, Ed Biles, Duane
Dow
January 1 Citrus Bowl ABC Penn State Clemson Gary Bender, Lynn Swann, Barry
Alvarez
January 2 Hall of Fame Bowl NBC Michigan Alabama Bob Costas, Ahmad Rashad, Paul
Maguire
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #45 - 01/13/09 at 22:43:07   1988 1989 bowl games
December 10 California Bowl ESPN Western Michigan Fresno Steve Physioc, Steve
Raible
December 23 Independence Bowl Mizlou UTEP So Missisisppi Steve Grad, Bob
Casciola, Lanny James, Duane Dow
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Washington State Houston Keith Jackson, Bob Griese,
Mike Adamle
Decmeber 28 Liberty Bowl Raycom Indiana South Carolina Phil Stone, Dave Rowe
December 29 All American Bowl ESPN Florida Illinois Roger Twibell, Lee Corso,
Chris Fowler
December 29 Freedom Bowl Mizlou Colorado BYU Mike Haffner, Jim Grabowski, Bob
Anderson, Duane Dow
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Oklahoma State Wyoming Bob Carpenter, Kevin Kiley,
Sharlene Hawkes
December 31 Peach Bowl Mizlou Iowa NC State Ray Scott, Jim Grabowski
January 1 Gator Bowl ESPN Georgia Michigan State Mike Patrick, Joe Theismann
January 2 Hall of Fame NBC Syracuse LSU Tom Hammond, Joe Namath, Armen Keteiyan
January 2 Citrus Bowl ABC Oklahoma Clemson Gary Bender, Dick Vermeil, Becky
Dixon
Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #46 - 01/13/09 at 22:45:27   Quote from ku528808 on 01/13/09 at 22:32:33:
1987-88 Bowl Games
December 12 California Bowl ESPN E Michigan San Jose Greg Papa, Stan White
December 19 Independence Bowl Mizlou Tulane Washington Lanny James, Bob
Casciola, Steve Grad (not sure on where was Howard David my original notes have
him scratched out)
December 22 All American Bowl Raycom BYU Virginia Ron Franklin, Dave Rowe
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Florida UCLA Keith Jackson, Bob Griese, Mike Adamle
December 29 Liberty Bowl Syndicated Arkansas Georgia Phil Stone, Dave Rowe sure
it was Raycom
December 30 Freedom Bowl Mizlou Arizona State Air Force Ray Scott, Jack Snow and
Rock Rote
(not Kyle Rote Jr)
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Wyoming Iowa Jim Kelly, Kevin Kiley
December 31 Gator Bowl CBS South Carolina LSU Verne Lundquist, Dick Vermeil,
James Brown
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Mizlou Pittsburgh Texas Steve Grad, Ed Biles, Duane
Dow
January 1 Citrus Bowl ABC Penn State Clemson Gary Bender, Lynn Swann, Barry
Alvarez
January 2 Hall of Fame Bowl NBC Michigan Alabama Bob Costas, Ahmad Rashad, Paul
Maguire Jan 1 Citrus Bowl believe the slr was Steve Alvarez (whoever he is) not
the football coach BArryAlvarez

Back to top         IP Logged
IowaHawkI

YaBB Newbie




Posts: 17
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #47 - 01/13/09 at 23:54:05   Here is from the Iowa point of view:

WMT(now KGAN) the CBS station in Cedar Rapids carried I know a few of the MIZLOU
bowl games in the 70's and early 80's. I remember watching the Bluebonett Bowl
on New Years Eve as a kid, and when Iowa State played in the 1977 Peach Bowl I
do remember that as well.

Thanks for posting the announcers for the 82, 83, 84, and 86, and 87 games(yes I
did watch the Rose Bowl and all of the Iowa Bowl games in the 80's). The 82
Peach Bowl against TN was a dandy, as Iowa held on to win 28-22. I remember TN
QB Alan Cockrell getting sacked late by the Iowa D for the victory.

The 83 Gator Bowl in Jacksonville was pretty cold, 29 at kickoff IIRC. Florida
had a great RB in Neal Anderson and a great LB named Wilber Marshall.

The 84 Freedom Bowl was the debut of the new bowl. Iowa Played Texas and Hayden
Fry managed to beat them something like 55-17. Chuck Long threw 5 or 6 TD passes
in that game. And yes, I do remember the late Jack Snow working that game.

The Holiday Bowl wins in 86 and 87 were nailbiters...Iowa won on a last second
FG in 86 and Iowa made a couple of blocked kicks that proved big in the 87 game.

Great memories for me.
Back to top          IP Logged
wdoodlesonII

God Member




Posts: 2445
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #48 - 01/14/09 at 01:09:51   Quote from Nickle98499 on 01/13/09 at
13:43:19:
As for the big apple: WPIX 11 carried some games from 1982? to 1987 or whenever
they stopped carrying the games.

WPIX carried them back to 1978- as I recall- if not before- though they nor
whomever had the rights in Philadelphia ever carried the California Bowl when
Mizlou had it

As for any Philadelphia recall from me-  all 3 indies (17, 29, 48) in the late
70's/ early 80's- had varying packages- can't recall who had the Mizlou games
when- Do know WKBS/48's last program ever on 29 August 1983 was the Penn State-
Nebraska Kickoff Classic
Back to top          IP Logged
paulsonj72

Full Member




Posts: 120
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #49 - 01/14/09 at 01:56:45   Quote from ku528808 on 01/13/09 at 22:43:07:
1988 1989 bowl games
December 10 California Bowl ESPN Western Michigan Fresno Steve Physioc, Steve
Raible
December 23 Independence Bowl Mizlou UTEP So Missisisppi Steve Grad, Bob
Casciola, Lanny James, Duane Dow
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Washington State Houston Keith Jackson, Bob Griese,
Mike Adamle
Decmeber 28 Liberty Bowl Raycom Indiana South Carolina Phil Stone, Dave Rowe
December 29 All American Bowl ESPN Florida Illinois Roger Twibell, Lee Corso,
Chris Fowler
December 29 Freedom Bowl Mizlou Colorado BYU Mike Haffner, Jim Grabowski, Bob
Anderson, Duane Dow
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Oklahoma State Wyoming Bob Carpenter, Kevin Kiley,
Sharlene Hawkes
December 31 Peach Bowl Mizlou Iowa NC State Ray Scott, Jim Grabowski
January 1 Gator Bowl ESPN Georgia Michigan State Mike Patrick, Joe Theismann
January 2 Hall of Fame NBC Syracuse LSU Tom Hammond, Joe Namath, Armen Keteiyan
January 2 Citrus Bowl ABC Oklahoma Clemson Gary Bender, Dick Vermeil, Becky
Dixon

The 1988 Peach Bowl presented an intresting dichotemy where I was living at the
time. The CBS affiliate in Mason City IA did the Peach Bowl involving Iowa &
since this was a Saturday afternoon game with an NFL playoff game being played
at the same time, the playoff game was picked up by the ABC affilliate(KAAL) in
Austin MN. So therefore the Philadelphia-Chicago game was preempeted for a bowl
game. And yes the early NFL playoff game was the famous fog bowl at Soldier
Field.

Back to top         IP Logged
IowaHawkI

YaBB Newbie




Posts: 17
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #50 - 01/14/09 at 07:32:15   The 1988 Peach Bowl presented an intresting
dichotemy where I was living at the time. The CBS affiliate in Mason City IA did
the Peach Bowl involving Iowa & since this was a Saturday afternoon game with an
NFL playoff game being played at the same time, the playoff game was picked up
by the ABC affilliate(KAAL) in Austin MN. So therefore the Philadelphia-Chicago
game was preempeted for a bowl game. And yes the early NFL playoff game was the
famous fog bowl at Soldier Field.
[/quote]

Same situation in Cedar Rapids. KGAN carried the Hawkeye game, while KCRG(ABC
Affilliate) carried the now infamous fog bowl. As a Hawk and Bear fan, there was
a lot of channel flipping that day!

IHI

Back to top          IP Logged
hawkhawg40

God Member




Posts: 698
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #51 - 01/14/09 at 13:30:37   Quote from jtgrace1 on 01/13/09 at 22:45:27:
Quote from ku528808 on 01/13/09 at 22:32:33:
1987-88 Bowl Games
December 12 California Bowl ESPN E Michigan San Jose Greg Papa, Stan White
December 19 Independence Bowl Mizlou Tulane Washington Lanny James, Bob
Casciola, Steve Grad (not sure on where was Howard David my original notes have
him scratched out)
December 22 All American Bowl Raycom BYU Virginia Ron Franklin, Dave Rowe
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Florida UCLA Keith Jackson, Bob Griese, Mike Adamle
December 29 Liberty Bowl Syndicated Arkansas Georgia Phil Stone, Dave Rowe sure
it was Raycom
December 30 Freedom Bowl Mizlou Arizona State Air Force Ray Scott, Jack Snow and
Rock Rote
(not Kyle Rote Jr)
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Wyoming Iowa Jim Kelly, Kevin Kiley
December 31 Gator Bowl CBS South Carolina LSU Verne Lundquist, Dick Vermeil,
James Brown
December 31 Bluebonnet Bowl Mizlou Pittsburgh Texas Steve Grad, Ed Biles, Duane
Dow
January 1 Citrus Bowl ABC Penn State Clemson Gary Bender, Lynn Swann, Barry
Alvarez
January 2 Hall of Fame Bowl NBC Michigan Alabama Bob Costas, Ahmad Rashad, Paul
Maguire Jan 1 Citrus Bowl believe the slr was Steve Alvarez (whoever he is) not
the football coach BArryAlvarez


Steve Alvarez worked for a time as a weekend/backup sports anchor here in Denver
when KUSA was an ABC affiliate.  He also did small event work for Wide World

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #52 - 01/14/09 at 22:31:17   1991 1992 bowl games
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Stanford Georgia Tech Keith Jackson, Bob Griese, Jack
Arute
December 28 Blockbuster Bowl CBS Alabama Colorado Jim Nantz, Dan Fouts, Jim
Gray, Andrea Joyce
December 29 Gator Bowl WTBS Oklahoma Virginia Bob Neal, Tim Foley
December 29 Liberty Bowl ESPN Air Force Mississippi State Sean McDonough, Craig
James
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Iowa-BYU Steve Physioc, Gary Danielson, Dr. Jerry
Punch
December 30 Freedome Bowl Raycom Tulsa-San Diego State Phil Stone, Dave Rowe
December 31 Copper Bowl WTBS Baylor-Indiana Ron Thulin, Pat Haden, Craig Sager
January 1 Peach Bowl ESPN East Carolina-NC State Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Adrian Karsten
January 1 Hall of Fame Bowl NBC Ohio State-Syracuse Don Criqui, Bob Trumpy,
Beasley Reece
January 1 Citrus Bowl ABC California-Clemson Brent Musberger, Dick Vermeil,
Cheryl Miller

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #53 - 01/14/09 at 22:42:07   1992 bowl games
December 18 California Bowl ESPN Bowling Green Nevada Ron Franklin, Mike
Gottfried, Sharlene Hawkes
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Kansas BYU Mark Jones, TIm Brant,  Julie Moran
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Illinois Hawaii Brad Nessler, Gary Danielson,
Sharlene Hawkes
December 30 Freedom Bowl Raycom Fresno State USC Phil Stone, Dave Rowe
December 31 Independence Bowl ESPN Wake Forest Oregon Sean McDonough, Craig
James, Steve Cyphers
December 31 Gator Bowl TBS Florida North Carolina State Gary Bender, Pat Haden,
Craig Sager
December 31 Liberty Bowl ESPN Air Force Mississippi Kevin Harlan, Dan Jiggetts,
Dan Debenham
January 1 Hall of Fame Bowl ESPN Boston College Tennessee Mike Patrick, Joe
Theismann, Jerry Punch
January 1 Citrus Bowl ABC Ohio State Georgia Roger Twibell, Tim Brant, Mark
Jones
January 1 Blockbuster Bowl CBS Penn State Stanford Jim Nantz, Randy Cross,
Andrea Joyce
January 2 Peach Bowl ESPN North Carolina Mississippi State Ron Franklin, Mike
Gottfried, Adrian Karsten

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #54 - 01/14/09 at 22:52:25   1997 bowl games
january 1 1997 ESPN Outback Bowl Alabama Michigan Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Adrian Karsten
january 1 1997 NBC Gator Bowl North Carolina West Virginia Don Criqui, Bob
Trumpy, John Dockery
December 20 1997 ESPN 2 Las Vegas Bowl Oregon Air Force Ron Franklin, Mike
Gottfried, Karsten
December 25 ABC Aloha Bowl Washington Michigan State Brent Musberger,Dan Fouts,
Jack Arute
December 26 ESPN Motor City Bowl Marshall Ole Miss Jerry Punch, Mike Gottfired,
Dave Ryan
December 27 ESPN insight.com Bowl New Mexico Arizona Charlie Steiner, Todd
Christensen, Sean Salisbury
December 28 ESPN Independence LSU Notre Dame Franklin, Gottfried, Karsten
December 29 ESPN Humanitarian Cincinnati Utah State Craig Bolerjack, Mike Golic,
Holly Rowe
December 29 TBS Carquest Bowl West Virginia Georgia Tech Bob Neal, Mark May,
Craig Sager
December 30 ESPN Alamo Bowl Purdue Oklahoma State Mike Tirico, Todd Blackledge
December 31 ESPN Liberty Bowl Pittsburgh Southern Miss Rich Waltz, Rod Gilmore,
Chris Marlowe
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #55 - 01/14/09 at 23:03:43   1998 bowl games
January 1 Outback ESPN Georgia Wisconsin Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried, Adrien
Karsten
January 1 Gator NBC North Carolina Virginia Tech Charlie Jones, Bob Trumpy, John
Dockery
January 2 Peach ESPN Clemson Auburn Dave Barnett, Bill Curry, Dave Ryan
December 19 Las Vegas ESPN North Carolina San Diego State Franklin, Gottfried,
Karsten
December 23 Motor City ESPN Louisville Marshall Mike Tirico, Todd Blackledge
December 25 Aloha ABC Colorado Oregon Musberger, Griese, Arute
December 25 Oahu ESPN Air Force Washington
December 26 Insight.Com ESPN West Virginia Missouri Barnett, Curry, Ryan
December 29 Music City ESPN Alabama Virginia Tech Rich Waltz, Rod Gilmore, Holly
Rowe
December 29 Gator Bowl TBS NC State Miami Kevin Harlan, Mark May, Craig Sager
December 29 Alamo Bowl ESPN Purdue Kansas State Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Karsten
December 30 Humanitarian Bowl ESPN 2 So Miss Idaho Wayne Larrivee, Randy Wright,
Jim Barbar
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Arizona Nebraska tirico, Blackledge, Punch
December 31 Liberty Bowl ESPN BYU Tulane Waltz, Gilmore, Rowe
December 31 Peach Bowl ESPN Georgia Virginia Steiner, christensen, Dean Blevins
December 31 Independence bowl Espn Ole Miss Texas Tech Dave Barnett, Bill Curry,
Dave Ryan
Back to top          IP Logged
BD Sullivan

Senior Member




Posts: 491
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #56 - 01/15/09 at 16:21:00   Quote from ku528808 on 01/11/09 at 19:21:08:
1978-1979
12-25 Fiesta Bowl NBC Curt Gowdy, John Brodie, Mike Haffner Arkansas-UCLA


This game is probably best remembered for a predictable TV blunder on the UCLA
sidelines. Sideline reporter Mike Haffner was able to ask UCLA's Terry Donahue
some questions DURING the game (because Lou Holtz already was wearing a mike),
and was in the process of asking Donahue a question following an UCLA
interception. Unfortunately (for Haffner and NBC), the interception was quickly
nullified by a penalty, causing Donahue to blurt out on the air, "Oh, shit."

Back to top          IP Logged
Pikachu732001

God Member




Posts: 729
Gender:
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #57 - 01/15/09 at 17:51:07   Quote from BD Sullivan on 01/15/09 at
16:21:00:
Quote from ku528808 on 01/11/09 at 19:21:08:
1978-1979
12-25 Fiesta Bowl NBC Curt Gowdy, John Brodie, Mike Haffner Arkansas-UCLA


This game is probably best remembered for a predictable TV blunder on the UCLA
sidelines. Sideline reporter Mike Haffner was able to ask UCLA's Terry Donahue
some questions DURING the game (because Lou Holtz already was wearing a mike),
and was in the process of asking Donahue a question following an UCLA
interception. Unfortunately (for Haffner and NBC), the interception was quickly
nullified by a penalty, causing Donahue to blurt out on the air, "Oh, shit."

At the risk of asking a non-sequitr, how did Focus on the Family react to the
incident?
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This sigfile has been approved by Chilli Willy
      IP Logged
BD Sullivan

Senior Member




Posts: 491
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #58 - 01/15/09 at 18:14:05   Quote from Pikachu732001 on 01/15/09 at
17:51:07:
Quote from BD Sullivan on 01/15/09 at 16:21:00:
Quote from ku528808 on 01/11/09 at 19:21:08:
1978-1979
12-25 Fiesta Bowl NBC Curt Gowdy, John Brodie, Mike Haffner Arkansas-UCLA


This game is probably best remembered for a predictable TV blunder on the UCLA
sidelines. Sideline reporter Mike Haffner was able to ask UCLA's Terry Donahue
some questions DURING the game (because Lou Holtz already was wearing a mike),
and was in the process of asking Donahue a question following an UCLA
interception. Unfortunately (for Haffner and NBC), the interception was quickly
nullified by a penalty, causing Donahue to blurt out on the air, "Oh, shit."

At the risk of asking a non-sequitr, how did Focus on the Family react to the
incident?

The Moral Majority and all its spawn didn't really get going until after Reagan
was elected in 1980, so other than the "NBC Deserved What They Got" columns, not
much else happened.

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #59 - 01/15/09 at 22:24:47   2000 bowl games
January 1 Outback ESPN Purdue Georgia Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried, Adrian
Karsten
January 1 Gator Bowl NBC Miami Georgia Tech Tom Hammond, James Lofton, John
Dockery
January 1 Citrus Bowl ABC Michigan State Florida Brent Musberger, Gary
Danielson, Jack Arute
December 20 Mobile Bowl ESPN TCU So Miss Mike Tirico, Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreit
December 21 Las Vegas Bowl ESPN Arkansas UNLV Steve Levy, Todd Christensen,
Heather Cox
December 24 Oahu Bowl ESPN Georgia Virginia Levy, Christensen, Dave Ryan
December 25 Aloha Bowl ABC Boston College Arizona State Musberger, Danielson,
Arute
December 27 Motor City Bowl ESPN Marshall Cincinnati Pam Ward, Don Mc Pherson
December 27 Gallery Furniture ESPN E Carolina Texas Tech Dave Barnett, Mike
Golic, Bill Curry, Michele Tafoya
December 28 Music City Bowl ESPN West Virginia Ole Miss Mark Jones
December 28 Humanitarian Bowl ESPN UTEP Boise State
December 28 Micron pc bowl TBS Kevin Harlan, Dave Rowe, Craig Sager Minnesota NC
State
December 28 Insight.com bowl ESPN Levy, Christensen, Ryan Iowa State Pittsburgh
December 29 Liberty Bowl ESPN Colorado State Louisville Waltz, Mc Pherson
December 29 Peach Bowl ESPN LSU Georgia Tech
December 29 Holiday Bowl ESPN Oregon Texas Tirico, Herbstreit, Corso
December 31 Silicon Valley Bowl FSN Air Force Fresno State
December 31 Independence Bowl ESPN Miss State Texas A and M Jones, Gino
Torretta, Rob Stone

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #60 - 01/15/09 at 22:48:14   2001 bowl games
January 1 Outback ESPN Ohio State S Carolina Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Adrian Karsten
January 1 Gator NBC Va Tech Clemson Matt Vasgersian, Pat Haden, Lee Dohrman, Kip
Lewis
December 18 New Orleans ESPN Colorado State N Texas Mark Jones, Chris Spielman,
Holly Rowe
December 19 GMAC ESPN Marshall East Carolina 64-61 Steve Levy, Todd Christensen,
Dave Ryan
December 20 Tangerine ESPN NC State Pittsburgh Mike Tirico, Kirk Herbstreit, Lee
Corso, Jerry Punch
December 25 Las Vegas Bowl ABC Utah USC Musberger, Danielson, Arute
December 27 Seattle Bowl ESPN Stanford Georgia Tech Dave Barnett, Bill Curry,
Mike Golic
December 27 Independence Bowl ESPN Iowa State Alabama Rich Waltz, Mark May,
Heather Cox
December 28 Gallery Furniture ESPN TCU Texas a and M
December 28 Music City ESPN Boston College Georgia Mark Jones, Chris Spielman,
Holly Rowe
December 28 Holiday  Bowl ESPN Texas Washington Tirico, Corso, Herbstreit, Punch
December 29 Motor City ESPN Toledo Cincinnati Pam Ward, Dean Blevins, Alex
Flanagan
December 29 Alamo ESPN Iowa Texas Tech Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried
December 29 Insight.com ESPN 2 Kansas State Syracuse Levy, Christensen, Ryan
December 31 Silicon Valley FSN Michigan State, Fresno Steve Physioc, Tom Ramsey
December 31 Liberty ESPN Louisville BYU Jones, Spielman, Rowe
December 31 Humanitarian ESPN2 Clemson La Tech
December 31 Peach ESPN N Carolina Auburn Barnett, Curry, Golic, Tafoya
Back to top          IP Logged
hawkhawg40

God Member




Posts: 698
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #61 - 01/16/09 at 19:58:16   Quote from BD Sullivan on 01/15/09 at
16:21:00:
Quote from ku528808 on 01/11/09 at 19:21:08:
1978-1979
12-25 Fiesta Bowl NBC Curt Gowdy, John Brodie, Mike Haffner Arkansas-UCLA


This game is probably best remembered for a predictable TV blunder on the UCLA
sidelines. Sideline reporter Mike Haffner was able to ask UCLA's Terry Donahue
some questions DURING the game (because Lou Holtz already was wearing a mike),
and was in the process of asking Donahue a question following an UCLA
interception. Unfortunately (for Haffner and NBC), the interception was quickly
nullified by a penalty, causing Donahue to blurt out on the air, "Oh, shit."


I'm paraphrasing here, but Brodie commented something like: "Coach Donahue
doesnt sound too happy about the result of that play"

Back to top          IP Logged
gmpitt71

Junior Member




Posts: 35
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #62 - 01/16/09 at 20:12:44   December 31 Humanitarian ESPN2 Clemson La
Tech

Jim Kelly pxp/JC Pearson analyst
Back to top          IP Logged
BWBarefoot

God Member




Posts: 1235
Gender:
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #63 - 01/16/09 at 20:54:20   Bowl games produced by Mizlou showed on at
least three of the four stations that were independent in the late 1970s and
early '80s here in the L.A. area - KHJ (now KCAL and still indie), KTTV (now
FOX), and KCOP (now myNetworkTV).

The 1984 Holiday Bowl was seen on KCOP - BYU beat Michigan to finish a perfect
season, then had to wait past Christmas and New Year's to learn if they would be
voted #1 in the country at the end of the year.  (They were.)

I also remember the 1988 Peach Bowl, shown on KTTV.  I was a huge fan of WWF
(now WWE) at the time, and was bummed to learn that Superstars of Wrestling was
being pre-empted for the game.  It wasn't even rescheduled.

TANGENT ALERT: Believe it or not, my favorite 1980s pro wrestler was "Leaping"
Lanny Poffo.  The reasons: he read poetry, could do backflips, and was
completely under-utilized by the WWF.  They never even acknowledged him as Randy
Savage's brother!  Not that Savage wasn't talented, but where was the push for
Poffo?  All of that made me feel very bad for him.  When Poffo turned bad as
"the Genius" in 1989, I hated it, but I understood too.

TANGENT 2: Randy Savage played minor-league baseball before becoming a wrestler.
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Buddy Wayne Barefoot - The ultimate country boy, and he's all mine!     IP
Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #64 - 01/16/09 at 21:19:18   2002 bowl games
January 1 Outback Bowl ESPN Ohio State S Carolina Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Adrian Karsten
January 1 Gator Bowl NBC Virginia Tech Florida State Tom Hammond, Pat Haden,
John Dockery
January 1 Citrus Bowl ABC Michigan Tennessee Sean McDonough, Ed Cunningham,
Leslie Gudel
December 17 New Orleans Bowl ESPN North Texas Cincinnati Pam Ward, Chris
Spielman, Rob Stone
December 18 GMAC Bowl ESPN 2 Marshall Louisville Dave Barnett, Mike Golic, Bill
Curry, Jerry Punch
December 23 Tangerine Bowl ESPN Texas Tech Clemson Mike Tirico Pxp
December 25 Las Vegas Bowl ESPN New Mexico UCLA Mark Jones, Mike Gottfried,
Holly Rowe
December 25 Hawaii Bowl ESPN Hawaii Tulane Steve Levy, Rod Gilmore, Alex
Flanagan
December 26  Motor City Bowl ESPN Boston College Toledo Pam Ward, Chris Spielman
December 26 Insight.Com Bowl ESPN Pittsburgh Oregon State Dave Barnett, Golic,
Curry, Punch
December 27 Houston Bowl ESPN So Miss Oklahoma State Mark Malone, Sean
Salisbury, Tracy Wolfson
December 27 Independence Bowl ESPN Nebraska Ole Miss Jeff Hullinger, Todd
Christensen, Lisa Zoentz
December 27 Holiday Bowl ESPN Kansas State Arizona State Mike Tirico pxp
December 28 Continental Tire Bowl ESPn 2 West Virginia Virginia Wayne Larrivee,
Randy Wright, Mike Gleason
December 28 Alamo Bowl ESPN Colorado Wisconsin Ron Franklin. Mike Gottfried,
Adrian Karsten
December 30 Music City Bowl ESPN Arkansas Minnesota Mark Jones, Bob Davie, Holly
Rowe
December 30 Seattle Bowl ESPN Wake Forest Oregon Steve Levy, Rod Gilmore, Alex
Flanagan
December 31 Humanitarian Bowl ESPN Iowa State Boise State Jerry Punch, Andre
Ware, Heather Cox
December 31 Liberty Bowl ESPN Colorado State TCU Jeff Hullinger, Todd
Christensen, Holly Rowe
December 31 Silicon Valley Bowl ESPN 2 Georgia Tech Fresno State Chris Marlowe,
Jim Donnan, Tracy Wolfson
December 31 Peach Bowl ESPN Maryland Tennessee Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Adrian Karsten


Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #65 - 01/16/09 at 21:34:54   2003 bowl games
January 1 Outback Bowl espn Florida Michigan Dave Barnett, Bill Curry, Mike
Golic, Michele Tafoya
January 1 Gator Bowl NBC NC State Notre Dame Mike Breen, Pat Haden, Marty Snider
January 1 Capital One ABC Auburn Penn State Sean Mc Donough, David Norrie, Mike
Mayock
December 16 New Orleans Bowl ESPN 2 North Texas Memphis Dave Barnett, Bill
Curry, Chris Spielman, heather Cox
December 18 GMAC Bowl ESPN 2 Miami Ohio Louisville Mark Jones, Bob Davie, Holly
Rowe
December 22 Tangerine Bowl ESPN Kansas NC State Mike Tirico, Lee Corso, Kirk
Herbstreit
December 23 Fort Worth Bowl ESPN  TCU Boise State Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Adrian Karsten
Decmeber 24 Las Vegas Bowl ESPN Oregon State New Mexico
December 25 Hawaii Bowl ESPN Dave Barnett, Bill Curry, Heather Cox Houston Vs
Hawaii
December 26 Motor City Bowl ESPN Northwestern Bowling Green Mark Jones, Bob
Davie, Holly Rowe
December 26 insight.com bowl ESPN California Virginia Tech Mark Malone, Mike
Golic, Rob Stone
December 27 Continental Tire ESPN Pittsburgh Virginia Pam Ward, Chris Spielman
December 29 Alamo Bowl ESPN Nebraska Michigan State Tirico, Corso, Herbstreit,
Punch
December 30 Houston Bowl ESPN Navy Texas Tech Jeff Hullinger, Craig James, Andre
Ware, Dave Ryan\
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Washington State Texas Ron Franklin, Mike
Gottfried, Adrian Karsten
December 30 Silicon Valley Bowl ESPN 2 UCLA Fresno State Gary Bender, John
Cooper, Anne Marie Anderson
December 31 Music City Bowl ESPN Wisconsin Auburn Pam Ward, Chris Spielman, Matt
Winer
December 31 Liberty Bowl ESPN Utah Southern Miss Dave Barnett, Bill Curry,
Heather Cox
December 31 Independence Bowl ESPN Missouri Arkansas McDonough, Golic, Gilmore,
Rob Stone
December 31 San Francisco Bowl ESPN 2 Boston College Colorado State Mark Malone,
Sean Salisbury


Back to top          IP Logged
wdoodlesonII

God Member




Posts: 2445
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #66 - 01/16/09 at 23:38:19   Quote from hawkhawg40 on 01/16/09 at
19:58:16:
Quote from BD Sullivan on 01/15/09 at 16:21:00:
Quote from ku528808 on 01/11/09 at 19:21:08:
1978-1979
12-25 Fiesta Bowl NBC Curt Gowdy, John Brodie, Mike Haffner Arkansas-UCLA


This game is probably best remembered for a predictable TV blunder on the UCLA
sidelines. Sideline reporter Mike Haffner was able to ask UCLA's Terry Donahue
some questions DURING the game (because Lou Holtz already was wearing a mike),
and was in the process of asking Donahue a question following an UCLA
interception. Unfortunately (for Haffner and NBC), the interception was quickly
nullified by a penalty, causing Donahue to blurt out on the air, "Oh, shit."


I'm paraphrasing here, but Brodie commented something like: "Coach Donahue
doesnt sound too happy about the result of that play"


I always think that type description from when Phil Simms called it the "Oh, Go,
Go, Go" play a few years back and added that the "Oh" part was followed by
"sh!t"- as in a play that started out as busted and got meaningful yardage/ a
score
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #67 - 01/17/09 at 17:35:36   Fiesta Bowl sort of a partial
1971 Ray Scott Eddie Doucette Mizlou
1974 Ray Scott Wayne Walker Phyllis George CBS
was this Ray Scott's last assignment for CBS.
Back to top          IP Logged
hawkhawg40

God Member




Posts: 698
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #68 - 01/19/09 at 00:47:00   Quote from ku528808 on 01/17/09 at 17:35:36:
Fiesta Bowl sort of a partial
1971 Ray Scott Eddie Doucette Mizlou
1974 Ray Scott Wayne Walker Phyllis George CBS
was this Ray Scott's last assignment for CBS.

Yes, it was
Back to top          IP Logged
IowaHawkI

YaBB Newbie




Posts: 17
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #69 - 01/19/09 at 09:13:21   Quote from ku528808 on 01/17/09 at 17:35:36:
Fiesta Bowl sort of a partial
1971 Ray Scott Eddie Doucette Mizlou
1974 Ray Scott Wayne Walker Phyllis George CBS
was this Ray Scott's last assignment for CBS.

OK, if Scott was let go by CBS after Super Bowl VIII, then why did the network
bring him back for the Fiesta Bowl? Was he still on CBS' payroll?

IHI
Back to top          IP Logged
BD Sullivan

Senior Member




Posts: 491
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #70 - 01/19/09 at 16:10:39   Quote from IowaHawkI on 01/19/09 at 09:13:21:
Quote from ku528808 on 01/17/09 at 17:35:36:
Fiesta Bowl sort of a partial
1971 Ray Scott Eddie Doucette Mizlou
1974 Ray Scott Wayne Walker Phyllis George CBS
was this Ray Scott's last assignment for CBS.

OK, if Scott was let go by CBS after Super Bowl VIII, then why did the network
bring him back for the Fiesta Bowl? Was he still on CBS' payroll?

IHI

His contract may have been up as of 12/31, and the game was played on 12/28. The
Fiesta Bowl website has a page that lists the date, score and TV rating of each
game (the first three aren't listed because it was syndicated). Here is the
link:

http://www.fiestabowl.org/index.php/tostitos/history/

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #71 - 01/30/09 at 15:13:39   Got this from the gator bowl
1954 Auburn Baylor CBS Bill Grove, Dick Stratton
1955 Auburn Vanderbilt CBS Russ Hodges, Dick Stratton
1956 Georgia Tech Pittsburgh CBS Jim Mc Kay, Johnny Lujack
1957 Tenneseee Texas A and M CBS Jim Gibbons, Elroy Hirsch
1958 Florida Ole Miss CBS Jim Gibbons
1960 Georgia Arkansas CBS Ray Scott, Frank Gifford
1960 Baylor Florida CBS Ray Scott, George Conner
1961 Georgia Tech Penn State CBS Ray Scott
1962 florida Penn State CBS Ray Scott
1963 Air force Tennessee CBS Lindsey Nelson, Terry Brennan, Jim Simpson
1965 Florida State Oklahoma ABC Curt Gowdy, Bill Flemming
1966 Tennesee Syracuse ABC Chris Schenkel, Bud Wilkinson, Bill Flemming
1967 Florida State Penn State ABC Schenkel, Wilkinson
1968 Alabama Missouri ABC Schenkel, Wilkinson
1969 Florida Tennessee NBC Curt Gowdy, Al De Rogatis
1970 Auburn Ole Miss NBC Charlie Jones, Al De Rogatis
1971 Georgia North Carolina NBC Charlie Jones, Al De Rogatis
1972 Auburn Colorado ABC Keith Jackson, Lee Grosscup
1973 Tennessee Texas Tech ABC Lee Grosscup, they say Michaels not sure
1974 Auburn Texas ABC Lee Grosscup, they say Michaels not sure
1975 florida Maryland ABC Keith Jackson, Ara Parseghian
1976 Notre Dame Penn State ABC Keith Jackson, Ara Parseghian, Jim Lampley
1977 Clemson Pittsburgh ABC Keith Jackson, Frank Broyles
1978 Clemson Ohio State ABC Keith Jackson, Frank Broyles
1979 Michigan North Carolina ABC Keith Jackson, Frank Broyles
1980 Pittsburgh South Carolina ABC Al Michaels, Ara Parseghian
1981 Arkansas North Carolina ABC Al Michaels, Ara Parseghian
1982 Florida State West Virginia ABC Al Michaels, Lee Grosscup
1983 Florida Iowa ABC Al Michaels, Lee Grosscup, Tim Brant
1984 South Carolina Oklahoma State ABC Al Michaels, Grosscup, Lynn Swann
1985 FL State/Oklahoma State ABC Michaels, Grosscup, Al Trautwig
1986 Clemson Stanford CBS Verne Lundquist, Pat Haden, John Dockery, Jim Nantz,
James Brown
1987 Lsu South Carolina CBS Verne Lundquist, Dick Vermeil
1989 Georgia Michigan State ESPN Mike Patrick, Joe Theismann
1989 clemson West Virginia ESPN Ron Franklin, Kevin Kiley
1991 Michigan Ole Miss ESPn Ron Franklin, Kevin Kiley
1992 Florida NC State TBS Gary Bender, Pat Haden, Craig Sager
1993 Alabama North Carolina TBS Bender, Haden, Sager
1994 Tennessee Virginia Tech TBS Bender, Haden, Sager
1996 Clemson Syracuse NBC Tom Hammond, Bob Trumpy, John Dockery
1997 North Carolina West Virginia NBC Don Criqui, Trumpy, Dockery
1998 North Carolina Virginia Tech NBC Charlie Jones, Trumpy, Dockery
1999 Georgia Tech Notre Dame NBC Tom Hammond, Pat Haden, Jim Gray
2000 Georgia Tech Miami NBC Tom Hammond, James Lofton, Craig Sager
2001 Clemson Virginia Tech NBC Matt Vasgersian, Pat Haden
2002 Virginia Tech Florida State NBC Hammond, Haden, Craig Wragge
2003 Nc State Notre Dame NBC Mike Breen, Haden, Dave Burns, Marty Snider
2004 Maryland West Virginia NBC Hammond, Haden, Lewis Johnson
2005 Florida State West Virginia NBC Hammond, Haden, Johnson
2006 Virginia Tech Louisville NBC Hammond, Haden, Johnson
2007 west virginia Georgia Tech CBS Verne Lundquist, Gary Danielson, Tracy
wolfson
2008 Texas Tech Virginia CBS Lundquist, Danielson, Wolfson
2009 Nebraska Clemson CBS Craig Bolerjack, Steve Beuerlein, Dan Fouts
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #72 - 01/30/09 at 15:32:31   In '83 for the Gator Bowl, Lee Grosscup came
down with the flu at the last minute and was replaced by Frank Broyles. Found it
on YouTube.

Also, Al didn't join ABC until '76, so he couldn't have done the '73 and '74
Gator Bowls.


Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #73 - 01/30/09 at 15:43:59   Quote from garretta on 01/30/09 at 15:32:31:
In '83 for the Gator Bowl, Lee Grosscup came down with the flu at the last
minute and was replaced by Frank Broyles. Found it on YouTube.

Also, Al didn't join ABC until '76, so he couldn't have done the '73 and '74
Gator Bowls.


1973 was Chris Schenkel,Bud Wilkinson and Duffy Daugherty
1974 was Chris Schenkel and Frank Broyles
Back to top         IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #74 - 01/30/09 at 18:38:29   that is what I thought and forgot to delete.
I want to thank Cheri O Neil for her help on this.
Back to top          IP Logged
tommyp1965

Senior Member




Posts: 254
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #75 - 01/31/09 at 04:55:48   Quote from hawkhawg40 on 01/16/09 at
19:58:16:
Quote from BD Sullivan on 01/15/09 at 16:21:00:
Quote from ku528808 on 01/11/09 at 19:21:08:
1978-1979
12-25 Fiesta Bowl NBC Curt Gowdy, John Brodie, Mike Haffner Arkansas-UCLA


This game is probably best remembered for a predictable TV blunder on the UCLA
sidelines. Sideline reporter Mike Haffner was able to ask UCLA's Terry Donahue
some questions DURING the game (because Lou Holtz already was wearing a mike),
and was in the process of asking Donahue a question following an UCLA
interception. Unfortunately (for Haffner and NBC), the interception was quickly
nullified by a penalty, causing Donahue to blurt out on the air, "Oh, shit."


I'm paraphrasing here, but Brodie commented something like: "Coach Donahue
doesnt sound too happy about the result of that play"
Like what happened in 2005 when Univ of Pitt played at Notre Dame when Pitt QB
Tyler Palko dropped the F bomb when interviewed at the end of the game.

Back to top          IP Logged
jdelachjr2002

God Member




Posts: 2690
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #76 - 01/31/09 at 08:51:10   Quote:
Like what happened in 2005 when Univ of Pitt played at Notre Dame when Pitt QB
Tyler Palko dropped the F bomb when interviewed at the end of the game.

That happened in 2004. Notre Dame played at Pitt in 2005 and won.
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tony Dungy really won Super Bowl XXXVII, not Jon Gruden!!!!!    IP Logged
tommyp1965

Senior Member




Posts: 254
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #77 - 01/31/09 at 15:37:00   Quote from jdelachjr2002 on 01/31/09 at
08:51:10:
Quote:
Like what happened in 2005 when Univ of Pitt played at Notre Dame when Pitt QB
Tyler Palko dropped the F bomb when interviewed at the end of the game.

That happened in 2004. Notre Dame played at Pitt in 2005 and won.
OK Thanks!
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #78 - 02/08/09 at 05:14:18   Courtesy of TV4U:

1981 Tangerine Bowl- Howard David, John Unitas(?), Steve Grad

(The version I saw only has the last six minutes of the second quarter. I
recognized David, and he called his partner John. Since Unitas did a few
Tangerine Bowls around this time, I'm going to assume it's him unless it's
proven otherwise.)

1965 Hula Bowl- ABC, Curt Gowdy, Paul Christman

1984 Senior Bowl- Mizlou/ESPN, Jim Simpson, Bud Wilkinson, Paul Maguire, Lou
Palmer

Note to anyone going there to watch games: They don't have the 1980 Hall of Fame
Bowl, despite what they advertise.



Back to top    « Last Edit: 02/13/09 at 13:35:08 by garretta »       IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #79 - 02/13/09 at 13:34:05   The '82 Holiday Bowl was a split crew
broadcast. The Mizlou feed was done by Ray Scott and John Unitas. Mike Smith was
the sideline reporter.

Back to top    « Last Edit: 02/22/09 at 03:22:37 by garretta »       IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #80 - 02/26/09 at 14:52:35   Courtesy of TV4U:

1984 Cherry Bowl: Army-Michigan State, Mizlou/USA, Ray Lane, Jim Branstetter

Add Steve Grad as a sideline reporter for the '86 Independence Bowl.



Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #81 - 02/27/09 at 12:35:22   Add Duane Dow as a sideline reporter for the
'81 Hall of Fame Bowl between Mississippi State and Kansas.
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #82 - 02/28/09 at 16:27:23   The TV network on the 1977 Hall of Fame Bowl
was Mizlou, not Mutual.

Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #83 - 03/01/09 at 12:38:46   Both Steve Grad and Greg Wyatt were sideline
reporters on the 1983 California Bowl.

Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #84 - 03/02/09 at 16:34:19   12-31-76:

Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl, Texas Tech-Nebraska, TVS- Merle Harmon, Alex Hawkins, Ron
Franklin

Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #85 - 03/03/09 at 14:19:39   Add Steve Grad as a sideline reporter for the
1986 Peach Bowl.
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #86 - 03/04/09 at 06:19:15   Remove Duane Dow and add Steve Grad as a
sideline reporter for the 1984 Independence Bowl.

Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #87 - 03/14/09 at 21:26:23   The 1985 Cherry Bowl was a Mizlou production
shown on USA.

Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #88 - 03/30/09 at 13:05:59   Mizlou crew on the '82 Independence Bowl:
Howard David, Danny Abramowicz, Steve Grad
Back to top          IP Logged
Michael Green

Full Member




Posts: 173
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #89 - 03/30/09 at 13:37:41   Great thread!  A few notes:

1.  Lindsey Nelson doing something for both CBS and Mizlou was not a big deal. 
The last two times he did the Rose Bowl for NBC, he was doing the NFL for CBS. 
He said NBC's announcers were getting a bit concerned about a CBS guy getting
their network's biggest assignment, and CBS offered him the Cotton Bowl, so he
bowed out.  Anyway, I think the announcers who did just the NFL could move
around during bowl season, but not necessarily full-time network guys like
Gowdy.

2.  That 1973 Notre Dame game normally would have been Lindsey Nelson instead of
Ray Scott, but I bet it was during the playoffs or World Series because that was
the year of the Mets and "Ya Gotta Believe."  So Nelson would have been doing
the baseball post-season.

3.  The 1956 Sugar Bowl lists only Bill Stern.  Ray Scott was there.  That was
the day Stern was high on drugs and taken off the air, with Scott taking over
and really making a name for himself.  Stern wrote about the whole thing in The
Taste of Ashes, his autobiography.
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #90 - 04/01/09 at 13:01:16   Add Howard David and Mike Hogewood as Mizlou
sideline reporters for the 1982 Hall of Fame Bowl.
Back to top          IP Logged
tvnut

Full Member




Posts: 142
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #91 - 04/02/09 at 01:14:35   Quote from Michael Green on 03/30/09 at
13:37:41:
Great thread!  A few notes:

1.  Lindsey Nelson doing something for both CBS and Mizlou was not a big deal. 
The last two times he did the Rose Bowl for NBC, he was doing the NFL for CBS. 
He said NBC's announcers were getting a bit concerned about a CBS guy getting
their network's biggest assignment, and CBS offered him the Cotton Bowl, so he
bowed out.  Anyway, I think the announcers who did just the NFL could move
around during bowl season, but not necessarily full-time network guys like
Gowdy.

2.  That 1973 Notre Dame game normally would have been Lindsey Nelson instead of
Ray Scott, but I bet it was during the playoffs or World Series because that was
the year of the Mets and "Ya Gotta Believe."  So Nelson would have been doing
the baseball post-season.

3.  The 1956 Sugar Bowl lists only Bill Stern.  Ray Scott was there.  That was
the day Stern was high on drugs and taken off the air, with Scott taking over
and really making a name for himself.  Stern wrote about the whole thing in The
Taste of Ashes, his autobiography.

A few years before Nelson did the first of his Rose Bowls, he was No. 2 in
administration at NBC Sports, which then had no full-time announcers. When NBC
won the NCAA football rights in the mid-late 1950s, he asked his boss, Tom
Gallery, if he could call the games, and Gallery couldn't believe Nelson would
want to actually go on the air rather than push a pencil. Thus a great career
was born. By the time Nelson was calling his last Rose Bowl, NBC Sports had MLB
and the AFL, and Curt Gowdy and Jim Simpson had been hired as their top
announcers. Classy move by Nelson, typical of the man.
Back to top         IP Logged
Michael Green

Full Member




Posts: 173
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #92 - 04/02/09 at 15:24:58   Great post--and about a wonderful man, from
all I hear.

When NBC first got the games, Lindsey was to be the producer, and did that for
the first season in 1952, I believe.  For the next year, he said NBC was meeting
with the sponsors and one of them mentioned him.  Tom Gallery said, "I don't
think we can spare Lindsey."  Under his breath, Nelson said, "Please spare
Lindsey," and later asked Gallery about doing the games.

Lindsey made the point that because he did the Mets, he never felt the need to
worry about his rank on football coverage--he did it for fun and extra money. 
I'm sure that attitude was welcome at CBS and NBC!
Back to top          IP Logged
tvnut

Full Member




Posts: 142
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #93 - 04/03/09 at 21:07:28   If you ever have a chance, read his bio,
"Hello, Everybody, I'm Lindsey Nelson," an absolute treat. For one thing, he
wrote it himself (no ghostwriter), and for another, it doesn't get to sports
until about halfway through. His WW2 stories are amazing. The only bad thing
about it: The dust jacket on the hardcover version has him in a black CBS
blazer. Lindsey wearing a black blazer instead of one of his crazy jackets? Say
it ain't so!
Back to top         IP Logged
Michael Green

Full Member




Posts: 173
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #94 - 04/04/09 at 20:06:31   A terrific book, and what he tells about his
personal life makes you respect him all the more.

He does have some pictures of some of his crazier jackets, but in
black-and-white.  A real loss!  I'll never forget his Cooperstown speech, where
he recalled a cabbie asking, "You da guy wit da jackets?" and concluded by
saying the Hall of Fame would get "a Lindsey Nelson working jacket.  In fact,
it's this one," and he took off his jacket and handed it to the head of the Hall
of Fame.
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #95 - 06/29/09 at 05:27:19   Add Pat Scanlon as a sideline reporter for
the 1981 Garden State Bowl.

Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #96 - 06/29/09 at 05:30:00   UCLA played Michigan in the 1981 Bluebonnet
Bowl.

Back to top          IP Logged
dcee53

Junior Member




Posts: 26
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #97 - 06/29/09 at 22:51:12   Quote from ku528808 on 01/10/09 at 16:02:19:
1977-1978
Independence Bowl December 17th Lousiana Tech Louisville Mizlou not sure on
announcers
Liberty Bowl December 19th Nebraska North Carolina ABC Keith Jackson Frank
Broyles Mutual Radio
Lindsey Nelson and Al Wester
Hall of Fame Bowl December 22 Minnesota Maryland Mutual Jim Karvellas, Howard
David, Don Perkins
Mutual Radio Lindsey Nelson and Al Wester
Tangerine Bowl December 23 Texas Tech Florida State Mizlou Duane Dow, Howard
David, Don Perkins
Fiesta Bowl December 25th Penn State vs Arizona State this was a Sunday game NFL
playoffs on the 24th and 26th CBS TV and Radio TV Lindsey Nelson, Tom Matte
Radio Bob Costas, Bob Davies
Gator Bowl December 30 Clemson vs Pittsburgh ABC TV Keith Jackson, Frank Broyles
Mutual Radio Al Wester and Rick Weaver
Peach Bowl December 31 Iowa State vs North Carolina State Duane Dow, Howard
David, Don Perkins
Sun Bowl December 31 Stanford vs LSU Pat Summerall, Tom Brookshier Radio Connie
Alexander, Don Klein both on CBS.

From 12/16/1977 Ruston Daily Reader
Independence Bowl December 17th Lousiana Tech Louisville Mizlou Ron Jacober,
Paul Hornung
Back to top         IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #98 - 07/23/09 at 04:48:47   12-31-76:

Peach Bowl, Kentucky-North Carolina, Mizlou- Duane Dow, Don Perkins, Howard
David

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #99 - 07/23/09 at 18:42:43   courtesy of JT Grace
Liberty Bowl TV
Liberty Bowl tv

1959-63 NBC, 1964,1966-73 ABC; 1965 ind net; 81-82 USA; 83-84 Katz; 85-89
Raycom; 1990-2008 ESPN

TV PBP:

1959 Lindsey Nelson, Mel Allen split
1960,61,63 Nelson
1962 Allen
1964, 1983, 1984 Curt Gowdy
1965 Charlie Jones
1966-73,1978 Chris Schenkel
1974-77,79 Keith Jackson
1980 Jim Lampley
1981-82 Harry Kalas
1985-86 Merle Harmon
1987-88 Phil Stone
1989,2003 Dave Barnett
1990 Wayne Larrivee
1991 Sean McDonough
1992 Kevin Harlan
1993 Ron Franklin
1994 Gary Thorne
1995 Bob Carpenter
1996 Craig Bolerjack
1997,98,2000 Rich Waltz
1999 Steve Levy
2001,2008 Mark Jones
2002 Jeff Hullinger
2004 Mike Tirico
2005 Gary Bender
2006 Bob Wischusen
2007 Terry Gannon

ANALYSTS

1959 Red Grange
1960 Frankie Albert
1961-62 Jim Leaming
1963 Jim Morse
1964 Paul Christman
1965 George Ratterman
1966-77,83,85 Bud Wilkinson
1978-79 Ara Parsegian
1980 Steve Davis
1981 Joe Theismann, Jeff Logan
1982 Joe Kapp
1984 Len Dawson
1986 Kevin Kiley
1987-89 Dave Rowe
1990 Ben Bennett
1991,2006 Craig James
1992 Dan Jiggetts
1993 Mike Gottfried
1994-95 Mike Mayock
1996-98 Rod Gilmore
1999,2002 Todd Christenson
2000 Don Mc Pherson
2001 Chris Spielman
2003,2005 Bill Curry
2004 Kirk Herbstreidt
2007 David Norrie, Doug Flutie
2008 Bob Davie

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #100 - 07/23/09 at 18:44:19   liberty bowl radio and sideline
SIDELINE

1990 Kevin Guthrie
1992 Dan Debenham
1993 Adrian Karsten
1995 Sam Crenshaw
1996 Merril Hoge
1997 Chris Marlowe
1998-2001 Holly Rowe
2002 Stacey Paetz
2003 Heather Cox
2004 Jill Arrington
2005 Dave Ryan
2006 Todd Harris
2007 Vince Welch


RADIO

1962 local WRCV Byrum Saam, Bill Bransome
1964 local WIP Jim Leaming, Pete Retzlaff
1967-74 Liberty Bowl network Stan Torgeson 67, John Ferguson 68-74, George
Mooney all years

1975-83 Mutual

pbp: Lindsey Nelson 75-77
Tony Roberts 78,80,82,83
Al Wester 79
unknown 1981

color: Al Wester 75,77,78,80,83
Tony Roberts 76
Pat Sheridan 79
Fran Curci 82
unknown 81

1984-87 NBC pbp Marty Glickman (need confirm for 84,87), Jack O'Rourke 85,86;
unknown 1984,87

1988-93 Mutual

pbp Bill Rosinski 1988,1990,91, unknown 92,93; Eddie Doucette 1989
color Fran Curci 1988-89 unknown 1990-93

1994-95 RSC Randy Rosenbloom, Warren Williamson

1996-2002 probably no national radio
2003 Sports Byline USA unknown

2005-06 Westwood One; John Castleberry Sonny Randle 05; Kevin Kugler, Terry
Bowden 2006

2007-08 ESPN
2007 Eric Collins, Bill Curry, Joe Schad; 2008 Pam Ward, Ray Bentley
courtesy of Jtgrace

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #101 - 07/23/09 at 18:45:23   bluebonnet bowl radio and tv courtesy of jt
grace
Blubeonnet Bowl

television

CBS 1959-63; ABC 1964-67; Hughes 1968-72; ABC 1973-75; tvs 1976;;Mizlou
1977-84,1987; USA 1985, Raycom 1986

pbp

Tom Harmon 1959-60
Jack Drees 1961
Chris Schenkel, Frank Glieber 1962
Ken Coleman, Jack Drees 1963
1964,66,67,74 Chris Schenkel
1965 Bill Flemming
1968-72, 1980-82 Ray Scott
1973 Keith Jackson
1975 Frank Gifford
1976,78,79,83,84,86 Merle Harmon
1977 Jim Karvellas
1985 Bob Carpenter
1987 Steve Grad

analyst

George Connor 1959
Johnny Lujack 1960,62,63,65
Terry Brennan 1961
Kyle Rote 1964
Bud Wilkinson 1967
Paul Christman 1968
Johnny Sauer 1969-72
Lee Grosscup 1973
Darryl Royal 1974
Jim Lampley 1975
Alex Hawkins 1976
Walt Garrison 1977
Don Perkins 1978-79
John Unitas 1980
Lee Corso 1981-82
Paul Maguire 1983
Jean Fuegett 1985
Kevin Kiley 1986
Ed Diles 1987

sideline

Don Tollefson 1977
Howard David 1978-81

Duane Dow 1983-84,87


national radio

1967 Mutual VAn Patrick, Sonny Grandelius
1972,73 Mutual John Forney, Larry Munson
1975 Mutual Gene Elston, Bill Bosse
1978 NBC Jack O'Rourke, Don Klein split pbpb
1986 Mutual unknown

Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #102 - 07/23/09 at 18:46:34   and also the college all star game
courtesy of jt grace
College all star tv

1949-54 DuMont; 49-53 Jack Brickhouse; 54 Joe Boland, Red Grange
1955-1976 ABC; 55 Chris Schenkel, Elroy Hirsch; 56-58 Jack Drees, Red Grange; 59
Ray Scott, Red Grange; 1960 Scott, Russ Hodges; 1961 Drees,Hodges; 62-64 Curt
Gowdy, Paul Christman, Johnny Lujack; 65 Schenkel,Lujack, Bill Flemming; 66-69
Schenkel pbp, Terry Brennan 66, Bud Wilkinson 67-69, Frank Gifford 68, Kyle Rote
69;
1970 Keith Jackson, Don Meredith; 71-73 unknown; 75 Jackson,Wilkinson; 76
Gifford, Wilkinson

radio

NBC Blue network 1934-41; Hal Totten 34-37; Bill Stern 38-41

Mutual 1934-55; Bob Elson 34-42; Harry Wismer pbp 43-50, Joe Boland 43, Jack
Brickhouse 44, Johnny Neblett 45-46, Red Grange 47-50; Al Helfer,Jack Drees
1951-53; Earl Gillespie pbp 54,55 with Chris Schenkel 54, Bill McColgan 55

ABC 1956 Bill McColgan, Bob Finnegan; 1957-59 Jack Brickhouse + unknown; 1960
Jack Drees, George Connor; 1961 Jack Brickhouse,George Connor; 1962-65 Tom
Harmon, Forrest Evachewski; 1966 Jim Morse, Frank Sweeney; 1967 Frank Sweeney,
Paul Christman

1968-71 no known national radio

1972-73 Mutual Van Patrick, Al WEster; 1975 Mutual Lindsey Nelson, Al Wester;
1976 Mutual Don Criqui, Sam Huff

Back to top          IP Logged
wdoodlesonII

God Member




Posts: 2445
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #103 - 07/24/09 at 00:07:21   Quote from ku528808 on 07/23/09 at 18:45:23:
bluebonnet bowl radio and tv courtesy of jt grace

Ed Diles 1987




Wasn't that former Oilers coach Ed Biles?
Back to top          IP Logged
ku528808

God Member




Posts: 667
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #104 - 07/24/09 at 11:15:46   didn't proofreed yes it is Ed Biles.
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #105 - 07/25/09 at 17:12:19   Add Greg Wyatt as a sideline reporter for
the 1986 Freedom Bowl.


Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #106 - 08/06/09 at 16:14:45   1985 Senior Bowl:

North-South, Mizlou/USA, Howard David, Ray Perkins, Mike Hogewood, Scott Hunter

Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #107 - 08/12/09 at 14:46:24   1986 Blue-Gray Classic:

Blue-Gray, Mizlou, Steve Grad, Lee Corso, Dave Willowson(sp?)

1986 East-West Shrine Game:

East-West, Mizlou, Ray Scott, Adrian Fiala, Steve Grad, Janette Guerrero

Back to top          IP Logged
Stockpile

Senior Member




Posts: 298
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #108 - 08/16/09 at 23:21:06   January 1, 1981 ABC Keith Jackson Frank
Broyles


Just saw the 1981 Sugar Bowl on ESPN Classic.  They run over the promo with the
yammering of the narrator, but you get to see Jackson and Broyles setting the
scene for those watching on ABC back in 1981.  Jackson had a beard that was
mostly gray.  I had never seen Jackson with so much as a 5 o'clock shadow. 
Also, Bill Flemming worked the sidelines in that game as they threw it to him
for a sideline report midway through.
Back to top          IP Logged
jtgrace1

God Member




Posts: 970
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #109 - 08/16/09 at 23:47:27   Quote from Stockpile on 08/16/09 at
23:21:06:
January 1, 1981 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles


Just saw the 1981 Sugar Bowl on ESPN Classic.  They run over the promo with the
yammering of the narrator, but you get to see Jackson and Broyles setting the
scene for those watching on ABC back in 1981.  Jackson had a beard that was
mostly gray.  I had never seen Jackson with so much as a 5 o'clock shadow. 
Also, Bill Flemming worked the sidelines in that game as they threw it to him
for a sideline report midway through.

are you sure this was not jan 1, 1982; I have Frank Gifford doing pbp for 1-1-81
sugar bowl
Back to top         IP Logged
Stockpile

Senior Member




Posts: 298
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #110 - 08/17/09 at 01:33:05   Quote from jtgrace1 on 08/16/09 at 23:47:27:
Quote from Stockpile on 08/16/09 at 23:21:06:
January 1, 1981 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles


Just saw the 1981 Sugar Bowl on ESPN Classic.  They run over the promo with the
yammering of the narrator, but you get to see Jackson and Broyles setting the
scene for those watching on ABC back in 1981.  Jackson had a beard that was
mostly gray.  I had never seen Jackson with so much as a 5 o'clock shadow. 
Also, Bill Flemming worked the sidelines in that game as they threw it to him
for a sideline report midway through.

are you sure this was not jan 1, 1982; I have Frank Gifford doing pbp for 1-1-81
sugar bowl


Yes, it was 1981.  Georgia had beat Florida 26-21 on the Run Lindsey Run! call
by Larry Munson and Jackson referenced that during the broadcast because Buck
Belue went deep into the fourth quarter with no completions and one pass he
nailed to Lindsey Scott was dropped.  Georgia played in three straight Sugar
Bowls ('81 beating Notre Dame 17-10, '82 losing to Pittsburgh 24-20, '83 losing
to Penn State 27-23).
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #111 - 08/17/09 at 16:13:03   1987 East-West Shrine Game:

East-West, Mizlou, Ray Scott, Adrian Fiala, Steve Grad, Christine Hanson
Back to top          IP Logged
tamalie

Full Member




Posts: 239
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #112 - 08/17/09 at 16:42:29   Quote from Stockpile on 08/17/09 at
01:33:05:
Quote from jtgrace1 on 08/16/09 at 23:47:27:
Quote from Stockpile on 08/16/09 at 23:21:06:
January 1, 1981 ABC Keith Jackson Frank Broyles


Just saw the 1981 Sugar Bowl on ESPN Classic.  They run over the promo with the
yammering of the narrator, but you get to see Jackson and Broyles setting the
scene for those watching on ABC back in 1981.  Jackson had a beard that was
mostly gray.  I had never seen Jackson with so much as a 5 o'clock shadow. 
Also, Bill Flemming worked the sidelines in that game as they threw it to him
for a sideline report midway through.

are you sure this was not jan 1, 1982; I have Frank Gifford doing pbp for 1-1-81
sugar bowl


Yes, it was 1981.  Georgia had beat Florida 26-21 on the Run Lindsey Run! call
by Larry Munson and Jackson referenced that during the broadcast because Buck
Belue went deep into the fourth quarter with no completions and one pass he
nailed to Lindsey Scott was dropped.  Georgia played in three straight Sugar
Bowls ('81 beating Notre Dame 17-10, '82 losing to Pittsburgh 24-20, '83 losing
to Penn State 27-23).

Plus ABC only broadcast a single New Year's Day bowl game back then, so the
college football #1 team of Keith Jackson and Frank Broyles naturally got the
call.
Back to top         IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #113 - 08/21/09 at 11:19:58   1979 Olympia Challenge Bowl:

Big 8-Pac 10, Mizlou- Len Dawson, Don Perkins, Steve Grad

Two questions:

1) Could Lenny have been a fill-in for another announcer who didn't show up? He
never did play-by-play anywhere else that I know of. I'm wondering if it wasn't
supposed to be a three-man booth with Lenny and Perkins as analysts that ended
up one man short.

2) Did Mizlou do regional telecasts of games like this? It dowsn't seem to me
that there would be much interest in this game in the East or the South.


Back to top          IP Logged
Chiefrylhawk

Senior Member




Posts: 343
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #114 - 08/21/09 at 11:54:17   Keith Jackson broadcast every Sugar Bowl
game on ABC from 1974 (New Year's Eve) through the 1988 game (1987 season). As
noted above, he was the #1 College Football announcer on ABC and hence got the
pxp of the Sugar Bowl. He moved to the Rose Bowl when ABC got the contract in
1988 for the 1989 game and beyond.

He only broadcast 2 other Sugar Bowls: 1993 (Miami/Alabama National Title game)
and 1997 (Florida/Florida State Bowl Alliance Championship game).




Back to top          IP Logged
SabresBuffalo

God Member




Posts: 1131
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #115 - 08/22/09 at 02:53:35   Quote from ku528808 on 01/10/09 at 16:21:51:

January 3, 2007 FOX Kenny Albert Terry Bradshaw and Howie Long Jeanne Zelasko

I want to bring up something about that game.

LSU had the same record as Notre Dame- 10-2- and didn't win their own division,
yet Notre Dame got all the criticism for being unworthy.

Why exactly did LSU get off the hook and not criticized? They finished second in
their own division, yet suddenly were elevated to greatness.
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!    IP Logged
msmith21

God Member




Posts: 1319
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #116 - 08/22/09 at 09:46:47   They hadn't lost since October 7th.

They beat the SEC West Champ on the road in their last game.

They were #4 in the final poll.

The Sugar Bowl prefers to have an SEC team.

The game was 70 miles from the LSU campus.

There weren't many other options - Auburn, WVU, and Rutgers all had a late loss.
Only viable candidate would have been Virginia Tech, who had given up a total of
29 points in their last 6 games and beat the ACC Champ by 21 on the road.
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
World Series Trophy, Lombardi Trophy, Stanley Cup, and Yuengling - Only in
Pennsylvania    IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #117 - 08/26/09 at 23:01:17   Not exactly a bowl game, but I came across a
little something called "Tidevision" while I was searching TV4U. I bring it up
here because it was produced by Mizlou, and had Mizlou stalwart Howard David as
the play-by-play guy, along with analyst Scott Hunter and sideline reporters
Mike Hogewood and Dennis somebody. It was on cable, as Hogewood and Davd both
threw to commercial messages "from your local cable system." Was this a national
Alabama cablecast similar to NBC's deal with Notre Dame, and if so, which
channel was it broadcast on? The game in question, should it help, was
Vanderbilt-Alabama from 1984.


Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #118 - 09/10/09 at 15:08:56   Found out that Tidevision was more akin to
today's pay-per-views that you get in SEC country.

As for history, add Tim Ryan as a sideline reporter for the 1977 Fiesta Bowl.


Back to top          IP Logged
hawkhawg40

God Member




Posts: 698
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #119 - 09/15/09 at 12:38:15   January 1, 1963 ABC Curt Gowdy Paul
Christman, Jim McKay Orange Bowl-McKay interviewed JFK before the game, and Joe
Namath afterward.  Not bad bookends.
Back to top          IP Logged
garretta

God Member




Posts: 972
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #120 - 09/17/09 at 17:17:39   Add Gus Reigert as a sideline reporter for
the 1985 Aloha Bowl.

Add Chris Fowler as a sideline reporter for the 1989 Gator Bowl.




Back to top          IP Logged
sportas2

Junior Member




Posts: 88
Gender:
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #121 - 11/04/09 at 17:02:37   Quote from ku528808 on 01/14/09 at 23:03:43:
1998 bowl games
January 1 Outback ESPN Georgia Wisconsin Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried, Adrien
Karsten
January 1 Gator NBC North Carolina Virginia Tech Charlie Jones, Bob Trumpy, John
Dockery
January 2 Peach ESPN Clemson Auburn Dave Barnett, Bill Curry, Dave Ryan
December 19 Las Vegas ESPN North Carolina San Diego State Franklin, Gottfried,
Karsten
December 23 Motor City ESPN Louisville Marshall Mike Tirico, Todd Blackledge
December 25 Aloha ABC Colorado Oregon Musberger, Griese, Arute
December 25 Oahu ESPN Air Force Washington
December 26 Insight.Com ESPN West Virginia Missouri Barnett, Curry, Ryan
December 29 Music City ESPN Alabama Virginia Tech Rich Waltz, Rod Gilmore, Holly
Rowe
December 29 Gator Bowl TBS NC State Miami Kevin Harlan, Mark May, Craig Sager
December 29 Alamo Bowl ESPN Purdue Kansas State Ron Franklin, Mike Gottfried,
Karsten
December 30 Humanitarian Bowl ESPN 2 So Miss Idaho Wayne Larrivee, Randy Wright,
Jim Barbar
December 30 Holiday Bowl ESPN Arizona Nebraska tirico, Blackledge, Punch
December 31 Liberty Bowl ESPN BYU Tulane Waltz, Gilmore, Rowe
December 31 Peach Bowl ESPN Georgia Virginia Steiner, christensen, Dean Blevins
December 31 Independence bowl Espn Ole Miss Texas Tech Dave Barnett, Bill Curry,
Dave Ryan


ku do you have 1999 by chance?  I can't seem to find and I'm compiling the
master list.  Thanks for all your work on this!
Back to top
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just follow that line forever. When you reach the end, turn left.   IP Logged
Bearfan

Full Member




Posts: 223
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #122 - 11/05/09 at 21:35:13   Quote from garretta on 08/21/09 at 11:19:58:
1979 Olympia Challenge Bowl:

Big 8-Pac 10, Mizlou- Len Dawson, Don Perkins, Steve Grad

Two questions:

1) Could Lenny have been a fill-in for another announcer who didn't show up? He
never did play-by-play anywhere else that I know of. I'm wondering if it wasn't
supposed to be a three-man booth with Lenny and Perkins as analysts that ended
up one man short.

2) Did Mizlou do regional telecasts of games like this? It dowsn't seem to me
that there would be much interest in this game in the East or the South.




Len Dawson WAS scheduled to do the P-B-P on this game.  He was not a substitute.
MIZLOU did this game on a nationally syndicated basis.  It was not intended as
regional coverage.  It was televised in
Chicago and Detroit for example.

Back to top         IP Logged
Bearfan

Full Member




Posts: 223
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #123 - 11/05/09 at 21:41:55   Quote from ku528808 on 07/23/09 at 18:45:23:
bluebonnet bowl radio and tv courtesy of jt grace
Blubeonnet Bowl

television

CBS 1959-63; ABC 1964-67; Hughes 1968-72; ABC 1973-75; tvs 1976;;Mizlou
1977-84,1987; USA 1985, Raycom 1986

pbp

Tom Harmon 1959-60
Jack Drees 1961
Chris Schenkel, Frank Glieber 1962
Ken Coleman, Jack Drees 1963
1964,66,67,74 Chris Schenkel
1965 Bill Flemming
1968-72, 1980-82 Ray Scott
1973 Keith Jackson
1975 Frank Gifford
1976,78,79,83,84,86 Merle Harmon
1977 Jim Karvellas
1985 Bob Carpenter
1987 Steve Grad

analyst

George Connor 1959
Johnny Lujack 1960,62,63,65
Terry Brennan 1961
Kyle Rote 1964
Bud Wilkinson 1967
Paul Christman 1968
Johnny Sauer 1969-72
Lee Grosscup 1973
Darryl Royal 1974
Jim Lampley 1975
Alex Hawkins 1976
Walt Garrison 1977
Don Perkins 1978-79
John Unitas 1980
Lee Corso 1981-82
Paul Maguire 1983
Jean Fuegett 1985
Kevin Kiley 1986
Ed Diles 1987

sideline

Don Tollefson 1977
Howard David 1978-81

Duane Dow 1983-84,87


national radio

1967 Mutual VAn Patrick, Sonny Grandelius
1972,73 Mutual John Forney, Larry Munson
1975 Mutual Gene Elston, Bill Bosse
1978 NBC Jack O'Rourke, Don Klein split pbpb
1986 Mutual unknown



MILOU's coverage of the 1984 Bluebonnet Bowl also had Steve Grad joining Duane
Dow on sideline coverage
Back to top         IP Logged
hawkhawg40

God Member




Posts: 698
   Re: Historical Bowl Game Announcers?
Reply #124 - Today at 01:55:01   January 1, 1975 NBC Curt Gowdy Al DeRogatis,
Ross Porter
Back to top          IP Logged
  Pages: 1

The506 Broadcast Maps Forum › the506.com Forums › Sports Broadcasting History
(Moderators: JP, timmy b)  ‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›

   Forum Jump: ----------------------------- the506.com Forums
-----------------------------  - NFL TV Distribution   - Other Sports   -
General NFL/sports discussion => Sports Broadcasting History   - Off-Topic Board


The506 Broadcast Maps Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.1!
YaBB © 2000-2005. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/64002

With margins shrinking, how can broadcasters remain in the game and keep buying
sports rights?
  Print This Story By JOHN OURAND
Staff writer

Published November 09, 2009 : Page 01
Less than a day before Game 5 of the American League Championship Series in
Anaheim last month, a large number of Yankees fans in New York were in danger of
not being able to watch their beloved pinstripes on local TV.

News Corp. was minutes away from pulling its Fox channels, Fox 5 and WWOR-MYT,
from Cablevision's systems over a retransmission consent dispute, according to
several sources.

Fox was threatening to pull its channels at midnight on Oct. 22, about 20 hours
before the key Game 5 was slated to begin on the network.

If it had done so, Cablevision's 3 million subscribers in the greater New York
market would not have been able to watch the game, creating a situation that
would have enraged local Yankees fans and caused a major PR issue for the
network, the cable operator and even the team.

But the crisis was averted late that Wednesday night when the two signed a
one-year extension to keep the Fox networks on Cablevision's systems. Game 5 hit
the air and drew a whopping 20.8 rating in the New York market, underscoring the
power that televised sports play in these types of negotiations.

The dispute marks the underpinnings of one of the most important stories
developing in sports media, but one that isn't talked about or publicized like
so many others.

The debate over retransmission rights — where broadcasters want cable operators
to pay cash to carry their local stations — will be one of the most closely
watched issues over the next year, as the two sides try to determine how high
the monthly "retrans fee" should be.

Is competition for ESPN starting to emerge "around the fringes?"
Is more live game programming next stepfor league-owned networks?
It's not a stretch to suggest that the long-term future of broadcast networks as
pivotal players in televised sports is at stake. If broadcasters somehow don't
add dollars to their coffers, the likelihood of big payouts during the next
round of major sports TV negotiations from 2011 to 2013, which include the NFL,
MLB and NHL, seems remote.

Retransmission consent battles are not new. In 2000, Time Warner Cable famously
dropped ABC in New York City during the broadcast sweeps period because of a
retransmission consent dispute.

But as the economy has wreaked havoc on the TV advertising market, these
disputes have taken on a new urgency for broadcasters. They need new revenue
streams. It's pretty simple: Broadcasters don't have the dual revenue streams of
ESPN and rely mainly on advertising revenue, which is clearly not growing.


Fox and Cablevision came to terms just
in time for Game 5 of the ALCS.In the New York market alone, ad sales are down
35 percent year over year, and next year they are projected to be flat,
according to one veteran New York television executive.

To counter that decline, which is affecting stations all over the country, Fox
and CBS have said they plan to start charging cable operators to carry their
stations. Some reports have News Corp. charging cable operators 50 cents per
subscriber per month for its locally owned and operated Fox stations, and 25
cents for its MyNetworkTV affiliates, local broadcast stations that Fox also
owns.

For Cablevision, with its 3 million subscribers, that could result in a monthly
payout of $2.25 million for Fox. By comparison, Cablevision pays ESPN around $12
million per month for its flagship channel alone. That's what broadcasters are
up against, and why they feel the need to be paid cash for their stations.

"It's not rocket science," Chase Carey, News Corp.'s deputy chairman, said at an
industry conference last month. "It doesn't make sense that broadcast is only ad
supported. It competes against other channels that are dual revenue businesses,
while a network like Fox sits there with truly the best programming in sports
and entertainment."

Turnkey Sports Poll
The following are results of the Turnkey Sports Poll taken in October. The
survey covered more than 1,100 senior-level sports industry executives spanning
professional and college sports.
  In the next five years of sports property television rights negotiations, which
channel/media company will be . . .
   CBS ESPN/ABC Fox NBC
… the most aggressive at obtaining rights to additional sporting events? 1.42%
54.96% 8.51% 5.32%
… most likely to shed rights? 15.96% 3.90% 7.09% 25.89%
   Turner (TBS/TNT) Versus Other No response/ Not sure
   3.90% 15.25% 1.77% 8.87%
   13.83% 9.57% 1.06% 22.70%
  What will be the trend in sports television rights fees over the next five
years? (Results compared to April 2004 poll)
   Oct. 2009 April 2004
Remain flat 40.64% 36.81%
Trend up 36.40% 31.29%
Trend down 20.49% 31.29%
No response/Not sure 2.47% 0.61%
Source: Turnkey Sports & Entertainment in conjunction with SportsBusiness
Journal. Turnkey Intelligence specializes in research, measurement and lead
generation for brands and properties. Visit www.turnkeyse.com.
The battles are only just beginning. While the Cablevision fight was averted,
another major dispute is brewing with New York's other main cable operator, Time
Warner Cable, whose contracts to carry all Fox channels — cable and broadcast —
expire at the end of the year.

In late December 2008, Time Warner Cable signed a one-year extension for several
of Fox's cable channels, including FX, and regional sports networks Prime
Ticket, Fox Sports West, Southwest, South and Florida (see SportsBusiness
Journal, Jan. 12). Those deals, along with all of Fox's other broadcast and
cable channels, expire at the end of next month.

Could these signals actually be pulled from Time Warner Cable, which is in more
than 13 million U.S. homes? Well, given the history of cable industry
negotiations, most of the cable executives contacted by SportsBusiness Journal
expect News Corp.'s Time Warner Cable negotiation to really heat up as the New
Year's Eve deadline approaches.

And those same executives expect News Corp. to base much of its leverage on
Fox's slate of NFL playoff games, not to mention Fox's highly rated "American
Idol" and "24" series, both of which return in January. Imagine the scene in
Gotham if, for example, Time Warner Cable isn't able to show a Giants playoff
game on Fox.

The need for broadcasters to push harder for a dual revenue stream was
highlighted last year when ESPN outbid Fox by $100 million for rights to the
Bowl Championship Series. Thanks to the amount of money cable and satellite
operators pay ESPN each month (more than $4 per subscriber), ESPN already has a
huge advantage over its rivals. Cable operators also pay ESPN additional license
fees for its other networks, ESPN2, ESPNews, ESPNU and even the broadband
channel ESPN360.


Broadcasters are seeking additional revenue to
help them better compete in the next big round
of major sports television negotiations from
2011 to 2013.Without retransmission consent revenue, broadcasters would not be
able to match ESPN's bids for most sports rights. This is especially relevant
over the next five years, as TV deals are expiring with the NHL (2011), NFL and
MLB (2013) and NASCAR and MLS (2014).

Broadcasters say they need retransmission dollars to stay competitive in the
sports rights marketplace. But they are quick to point out that even without the
extra cash flow, they have some inherent advantages over their cable
competitors.

The one most frequently mentioned is the breadth of their offerings, which reach
115 million homes, compared with ESPN's 99 million.

That gap has been narrowing over the past decade and is expected to continue
shrinking. But most leagues still place a high value on reaching those extra 16
million homes.

"I anticipate that in the next five years, the premier events that are currently
on network television will remain on network television," said Sean McManus,
president of CBS News and CBS Sports. "I think the leagues still understand the
value of having them on network television and how important it is to their
viewership and their fans."

  Network sports DEALS
Property Length Estimated total value Final season contract

NFL 8 years $5.76 billion 2013
MLB 7 years $1.8 billion 2013
NASCAR 8 years $1.76 billion 2014
Bowl Championship Series* 4 years $330 million-$340 million 2010

NBA 6 years $4.6 billion** 2015-16
SEC (all sports) 15 years $2.25 billion 2023
NASCAR 8 years $2.16 billion 2014
Big Ten 10 years $900 million-$1.0 billion 2017
Bowl Championship Series*** 4 years $495 million 2014
Big 12 8 years $480 million 2014
Rose Bowl presented by Citi 8 years $300 million 2014
ACC football 7 years $258 million 2010
ACC basketball 10 years $300 million 2010-11
Pac-10 football 5 years $229 million 2011
Big East football 6 years $200 million 2012
MLS 8 years $64 million 2014
IndyCar 4 years $60 million-$65 million 2012
Belmont Stakes 5 years $20 million 2010

NCAA men's basketball tournament 11 years $6 billion 2012-13
NFL 8 years $4.96 billion 2013
PGA Tour 6 years $2.95 billion** 2012
SEC basketball and football 15 years $825 million 2023
Big Ten basketball 10 years $200 million 2015-16
USTA U.S. Open 4 years $145 million 2011
The Masters 1 year $3 million/year Year-to-year

NFL 8 years $4.82 billion 2013
Olympics Winter and Summer Games $4.3 billion 2012
PGA 6 years $2.95 billion** 2012
Wimbledon 4 years $52 million 2011
Notre Dame football 5 years $50 million 2015
NHL 2 years ^ 2010-11
Kentucky Derby and Belmont Stakes 5 years NA 2010
USGA U.S. Open 9 years NA 2014
U.S. Figure Skating  6 years NA 2014
Note: ABC contracts may share cable rights with ESPN channels, NBC with TBS/TNT
and CBS with USA Network.
* Excluding Rose Bowl presented by Citi. ESPN/ABC Sports assumes rights
following Jan. 2010 Championship Game
** Part of a shared deal with other networks.
*** Network assumes rights from Fox following January 2010 championship game
^ Deal is a revenue-sharing agreement and does not carry any rights fees.
Source: SportsBusiness Journal research
NBC executives echoed McManus' sentiment, saying that the bigger leagues make
sure that they maintain a broadcast presence so they can reach more people.

"Yes, I think there are places where a network can compete and, in many cases,
deliver significantly greater value than ESPN," said NBC Sports President Ken
Schanzer. "Leagues need broad exposure. They need exposure to the right
audiences to grow their fan base and they need exposure in the right time
periods."

Even ESPN executives acknowledge the power that broadcast television has on some
of its rights holders. John Skipper, ESPN executive vice president of content,
said the company would have had trouble signing deals with the NBA and World Cup
if it didn't have broadcast windows through ABC.

"We are not abandoning ABC," Skipper said. "We are, right now, not looking to
move other product off of ABC. We like having those windows."

It's not just the leagues that place a value on broadcasters' reach. McManus
predicted that regulators almost certainly would step in if some marquee
sporting events, like the Super Bowl, were to migrate to cable.

"It's a fine balance between taking advantage of the cable model, which has a
dual revenue stream, but also protecting the network model, which still has
great value for the biggest sporting events in America ."

But leagues need more than good will and immense reach. They want networks with
deep pockets — ones that can afford to pay the most for their games.

McManus believes the TV deal CBS signed with the Southeastern Conference last
summer provides a blueprint for how broadcasters can share TV packages with
cable networks.

CBS paid an average of $55 million annually for a 15-year deal that includes a
late Saturday afternoon window for a game of CBS's choice, one prime-time game
and two doubleheaders per year. ESPN paid $150 million per year for the rest of
the conference's rights.

"We found out in the SEC negotiation that there was room for ESPN and room for a
really good network package," McManus said. "There can be bigger and more
valuable cable portions of a lot of these deals, but the network component is
still a critical one for most leagues."

But the key for broadcasters remains getting retransmission consent payments for
their local stations. In fact, most cable operators say it's almost inevitable
that they will have to make these payments — they're just negotiating to keep
the fees as low as possible.

"Against today's model of an ad-supported-only broadcast network, sports rates
are a real challenge," Carey said at that New York conference last month.

"Sports are going to continue to be a critical part of our story. We're going to
create great content and create a business model that lets us continue to grow
and expand."

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1257655584;start=all



Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register.


11/10/09 at 13:28:56
News: Discussion of illegal online game streaming (sopcast, TVU, etc) is NOT
allowed and will be locked or removed on sight.



The506 Broadcast Maps Forum › the506.com Forums › Other Sports
(Moderator: )  ‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›
  Pages: 1

  ABC is a disgrace to sports on television! (Read 1042 times)
boknowssports
Junior Member




Posts: 31
ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
11/08/09 at 00:46:24
I'm sick of the minor league garbage that "ESPN on ABC" keeps throwing at us...I
honestly wish they would just disappear and never cover a live sporting event
ever again...ever since they lost MNF and became "ESPN on ABC" they have been a
joke...I just watched the end of the UCONN/CINCY game and the HD quality was
pathetic...its night and day compared to ESPN, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc...in addition
right as the CINCY game ended Arizona State had the ball and was driving on USC
down 14-9...instead of cutting in right after time expired and showing the end
of the USC game they go back to the studio so we can hear John Saunders and "the
Bachelor" discuss games that we've seen highlights of 12 times already
today...this is the final straw...I can't take it any more...please go away
"ESPN on ABC" and never come back...thank you...
Back to top


    IP Logged
NB Football Fan
Global Moderator




Posts: 2114
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #1 - 11/08/09 at 00:52:10
I don't find ABC (Detroit and Seattle) to have bad HD quality, thats likely your
local channel.

How would it be different even if it was ABC Sports? Its not like they would air
the end of the other game just because they had a different name. I don't have a
problem with them not switching games for that little amount of time, by the
time they got there the game would have almost been over.

I actually find Saturday Night Football and NBA Sunday to be good quality
productions. Obviously they aren't at the quality of the SEC on CBS or the NBA
on TNT, but they are arguably better than ESPN's coverage of either sport.
Back to top


     IP Logged
KK3869
Full Member




Posts: 199
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #2 - 11/08/09 at 00:53:01
Yeah the game on my set looked fine to me.
Back to top


    IP Logged
NPBearsFan
God Member




Posts: 2432
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #3 - 11/08/09 at 00:53:18
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 00:46:24:
I'm sick of the minor league garbage that "ESPN on ABC" keeps throwing at us...I
honestly wish they would just disappear and never cover a live sporting event
ever again...ever since they lost MNF and became "ESPN on ABC" they have been a
joke...I just watched the end of the UCONN/CINCY game and the HD quality was
pathetic...its night and day compared to ESPN, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc...in addition
right as the CINCY game ended Arizona State had the ball and was driving on USC
down 14-9...instead of cutting in right after time expired and showing the end
of the USC game they go back to the studio so we can hear John Saunders and "the
Bachelor" discuss games that we've seen highlights of 12 times already
today...this is the final straw...I can't take it any more...please go away
"ESPN on ABC" and never come back...thank you...


I was miffed why ABC didn't go to the end of USC-Arizona St.  Whoever decided
not to switch to the ending in Tempe wasn't thinking! What's the difference of
the news airing at 11:20 instead of 11:22!?
Back to top


Chicago Bears - Nine Time World Champions (1921, 1932, 1933, 1940, 1941, 1943,
1946, 1963, 1985)

"I love it when a plan comes together!" -- Hannibal Smith
    IP Logged
Sparty
Senior Member




Posts: 499
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #4 - 11/08/09 at 00:59:21
Quote from KK3869 on 11/08/09 at 00:53:01:
Yeah the game on my set looked fine to me.

Me too - IMO, Fox HD is worse then ESPN/ABC's.
Back to top


    IP Logged
schmave
God Member




Posts: 1210
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #5 - 11/08/09 at 01:04:43
Quote from NPBearsFan on 11/08/09 at 00:53:18:
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 00:46:24:
I'm sick of the minor league garbage that "ESPN on ABC" keeps throwing at us...I
honestly wish they would just disappear and never cover a live sporting event
ever again...ever since they lost MNF and became "ESPN on ABC" they have been a
joke...I just watched the end of the UCONN/CINCY game and the HD quality was
pathetic...its night and day compared to ESPN, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc...in addition
right as the CINCY game ended Arizona State had the ball and was driving on USC
down 14-9...instead of cutting in right after time expired and showing the end
of the USC game they go back to the studio so we can hear John Saunders and "the
Bachelor" discuss games that we've seen highlights of 12 times already
today...this is the final straw...I can't take it any more...please go away
"ESPN on ABC" and never come back...thank you...


I was miffed why ABC didn't go to the end of USC-Arizona St.  Whoever decided
not to switch to the ending in Tempe wasn't thinking! What's the difference of
the news airing at 11:20 instead of 11:22!?


They have a poor track record of not going to other games still in progress. The
post-game segment with Saunders and Palmer is obviously taped as well.
Back to top


    IP Logged
NB Football Fan
Global Moderator




Posts: 2114
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #6 - 11/08/09 at 01:06:33
Yea its taped, I switched over to ASU-USC after the taped portion aired, just to
see the exact same thing again.
Back to top


     IP Logged
boknowssports
Junior Member




Posts: 31
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #7 - 11/08/09 at 01:29:33
Ok...maybe so...I'm in the D.C. area...but it just seems like ABC is so far
behind the other 3 major networks in sports coverage...College Football on ABC
used to be as good as it gets...back when Keith Jackson was around and Brent
worked with Gary Danielson and not that young punk Herbstreit...the theme song
was great...they actually had their own graphics instead of the same exact thing
ESPN has...it just isn't like it used to be on ABC...
Back to top


    IP Logged
DK073
God Member




Posts: 2010
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #8 - 11/08/09 at 01:58:28
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 01:29:33:
Ok...maybe so...I'm in the D.C. area...but it just seems like ABC is so far
behind the other 3 major networks in sports coverage...College Football on ABC
used to be as good as it gets...back when Keith Jackson was around and Brent
worked with Gary Danielson and not that young punk Herbstreit...the theme song
was great...they actually had their own graphics instead of the same exact thing
ESPN has...it just isn't like it used to be on ABC...


My 2000th post!  Glad to use it to rip the Disney corporation..

To credit ABC for still having a sports division is not only incorrect, but goes
against everything ESPN is trying to drill into you head.  Any sports-related
programming shown on ABC is a direct result of ESPN, so if you have any issues
with the coverage, send your complaints to Bristol.  There's a reason why people
like Keith Jackson and to a lesser extent Al Michaels wanted nothing to do with
"ESPN on ABC."  The biggest beef I have with ESPN is not only do their
incessantly need to remind you they're responsible for sports programming on
ABC, but they'd just as soon have you believe there never was such a thing as
ABC Sports.  And that's a terrible crime against people like Roone Arledge and
Jim McKay who are beyond legendary in the industry.  I remember a few years ago
when ABC regained the rights to the Belmont Stakes.  To watch that crew cover
the event compared to what it had been in the good old days of ABC was an
embarrassment of riches.  The telecast wasn't nearly up to the standards that
Wide World of Sports had set for decades.  I said it in another thread
recently.. ESPN is about quantity, but more often than not, the quality of their
product isn't close to what the other networks are churning out.
Back to top


     IP Logged
boknowssports
Junior Member




Posts: 31
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #9 - 11/08/09 at 02:07:26
Thank you...I'm glad to see someone agrees with me...ESPN does do some things
well...there MNF production is excellent...they capture crowd noise better then
any other network who does the NFL...also they do a great job with the
Masters...but in general its a watered down product
Back to top


    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1131
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #10 - 11/08/09 at 02:30:18
Let me get this straight- a lack of high-definition and not cutting to bonus
coverage of a game in progress officially brands an entire network as a disgrace
to sports?
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
boknowssports
Junior Member




Posts: 31
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #11 - 11/08/09 at 02:32:09
Yes...along with some of the other things mentioned already in this thread...if
you consider ABC on the same level as NBC, CBS, and FOX then you are living in a
strange world...
Back to top


    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1131
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #12 - 11/08/09 at 02:38:28
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 02:32:09:
Yes...along with some of the other things mentioned already in this thread...if
you consider ABC on the same level as NBC, CBS, and FOX then you are living in a
strange world...


I'm not defending ABC- I'm just saying they aren't as bad as some make it out to
be.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
boknowssports
Junior Member




Posts: 31
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #13 - 11/08/09 at 02:40:14
Well maybe I'm overreacting a little...but my HD for tonight's Cincy Uconn game
was a joke...its was actually worse then watching standard deff...and all my
other channels were fine so I know its not my tv...and I don't understand why my
ABC affiliate would be any worse then the others...
Back to top


    IP Logged
SabresBuffalo
God Member




Posts: 1131
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #14 - 11/08/09 at 02:41:56
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 02:40:14:
Well maybe I'm overreacting a little...but my HD for tonight's Cincy Uconn game
was a joke...its was actually worse then watching standard deff...and all my
other channels were fine so I know its not my tv...and I don't understand why my
ABC affiliate would be any worse then the others...


HD problems aside, that UConn/Cincy game was very entertaining.
Back to top


Ready your breakfast and eat hearty. For tonight, we dine in hell!
     IP Logged
boknowssports
Junior Member




Posts: 31
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #15 - 11/08/09 at 02:44:32
Yeah I only saw the 4th quarter but it was very enjoyable...still don't know why
that kid on Cincy didn't take a knee once he got the 1st down late in the
game...they could have ran out the clock by taking 3 knees instead of scoring
the TD to go up 9...that TD he scored kept UCONN in the game...
Back to top


    IP Logged
wwffan7385
Full Member




Posts: 228
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #16 - 11/08/09 at 02:50:07
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 02:07:26:
Thank you...I'm glad to see someone agrees with me...ESPN does do some things
well...there MNF production is excellent...they capture crowd noise better then
any other network who does the NFL...also they do a great job with the
Masters...but in general its a watered down product

Masters coverage is completely run by CBS and early round telecast leased to
ESPN.
Back to top


GT (5-1) ROUND 7: vs VT Sat 6:00pm ET on ESPN2 HD // UM (4-2) ROUND 7: vs DSU
Sat 12:00pm ET on BTN HD // Everything on the line for Tech this week.
      IP Logged
boknowssports
Junior Member




Posts: 31
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #17 - 11/08/09 at 02:59:31
Yeah I know...that's why I said ESPN does such a good job with it...cause they
can't possibly f it up cause Augusta won't let them since they only trust CBS...
Back to top


    IP Logged
jellyeggs1
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 14
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #18 - 11/08/09 at 10:40:26
They did (though eventually) get to the end of Wake-GT yesterday just before
Ohio St. took the victory knee vs. Penn St. & stayed through the overtime
session (I suspect they may've switched sooner if not for the "Reverse Mirror"
setup with ESPN2).

About the taped studio stuff, that's a common practice in situations where
there're different audiences to serve (regional coverage), their pregame before
last night's game was obviously taped, as is part of  the halftime shows.
Back to top


    IP Logged
ThePhillyFlyer
Junior Member




Posts: 100
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #19 - 11/08/09 at 11:00:04
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 02:07:26:
Thank you...I'm glad to see someone agrees with me...ESPN does do some things
well...there MNF production is excellent...they capture crowd noise better then
any other network who does the NFL...also they do a great job with the
Masters...but in general its a watered down product


I think CBS is better with crowd noise than ESPN...the CBS production quality
overall is, IMO, the best of the bunch.

ESPN does a good job on some aspects (MNF, college bball, MLB games) but about
1/2 of the announcers for CFB on ESPN are brutal.  The only ones worth a crap
are Franklin, Musburger, McDonough, and Nessler.


Back to top


    IP Logged
Sparty
Senior Member




Posts: 499
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #20 - 11/08/09 at 12:43:21
Quote from ThePhillyFlyer on 11/08/09 at 11:00:04:
Quote from boknowssports on 11/08/09 at 02:07:26:
Thank you...I'm glad to see someone agrees with me...ESPN does do some things
well...there MNF production is excellent...they capture crowd noise better then
any other network who does the NFL...also they do a great job with the
Masters...but in general its a watered down product


I think CBS is better with crowd noise than ESPN...the CBS production quality
overall is, IMO, the best of the bunch.

ESPN does a good job on some aspects (MNF, college bball, MLB games) but about
1/2 of the announcers for CFB on ESPN are brutal.  The only ones worth a crap
are Franklin, Musburger, McDonough, and Nessler.



When you air so many games, and have so many announcers, you're bound to get
some duds.  Compare them to the jokers that Fox and FSN use, and ESPN is far
superior.
Back to top


    IP Logged
northeast22
God Member




Posts: 797
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #21 - 11/08/09 at 13:41:42
After the OSU-PSU game ended, they switched to WF-GT. I don't understand why
they can switch for the afternoon games. But not at night. I doubt starting the
late local news 10-15 later will make any type of major impact.
Back to top


    IP Logged
tjguitar
Senior Member




Posts: 261
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #22 - 11/08/09 at 14:08:21
Quote from northeast22 on 11/08/09 at 13:41:42:
After the OSU-PSU game ended, they switched to WF-GT. I don't understand why
they can switch for the afternoon games. But not at night. I doubt starting the
late local news 10-15 later will make any type of major impact.


I would assume it's in the contract with the affiliates. I doubt it's to give
the fans the middle finger.

I love ABC's coverage of college football and NBA. It's a shame they aren't
going to do college basketball this season. I don't mind the ESPN branding.
Doesn't seem much different to me thne the "ABC Sports" I watched in the late
90s and early 2000s.
Back to top


    IP Logged
pstokely
Senior Member




Posts: 371
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #23 - 11/08/09 at 20:48:09
Quote from NB Football Fan on 11/08/09 at 00:52:10:
I don't find ABC (Detroit and Seattle) to have bad HD quality, thats likely your
local channel.

Too many subchannels robbing the bandwith
Back to top


    IP Logged
mikejwa
Full Member




Posts: 113
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #24 - 11/08/09 at 23:17:23
ABC and ESPN are a DISGRACE simply because they refuse to show heir games in HD
to the entire country for people who pay for their gameplan package.
Back to top


    IP Logged
indianacowboy
God Member




Posts: 572
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #25 - Yesterday at 13:46:29
ABC Sports is Dead - RIP!!!!!! - Gone are the days of Cossell, McCay, & baseball
coverage.

According to Disney and their Mickey Mouse (no pun intended) corporation - its
ALL about ESPN.

As much as I hate CBS for their sport coverage - I hope CBS keep NCAA basketball
tournament. Don't let ESPN-Disney get their greedy hands on it. (I think there
is a thread to this discussion)
Back to top


    IP Logged
falconswin19
Senior Member




Posts: 392
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #26 - Yesterday at 14:43:24
I have no comment about the HD telecast because I don't own or plan on owning an
HDTV.  However I do agree that I'm a bit tired of the same graphics and music
being used on ABC and ESPN.  I get tired of hearing and seeing that stuff all
day.  Using ESPN's production makes ABC look minor league.  ABC is the major
network and ESPN is the cable channel, but it's the latter that trumps the
former.  ABC's coverage, graphics and music should be unique to any other
network, cable or not.  ABC's coverage of sports is woefully behind the other
networks and they're oversaturating the ESPN brand and production style.

I do have to defend ABC on a few things though.  A lot of people who have to
work Saturdays might not have access to a cable TV so the highlights are helpful
to them.  I know they are to a friend of mine who works in a warehouse where
they only have one basic TV in the break room.  I'd just ask them to liven up
that studio a bit; the dark colors makes the whole presentation look dull.

Second, ABC is right to not switch over to another game after the prime time
game is over.  What's the difference between 11:20 and 11:22?  Four commercials.
The local ABC stations are probably glad big ABC didn't switch games because
that allowed local companies' ads to be shown during the local news or whatever
came up next.
Back to top


     IP Logged
Zeus
YaBB Newbie




Posts: 15
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #27 - Yesterday at 15:06:52
Quote from indianacowboy on Yesterday at 13:46:29:
ABC Sports is Dead - RIP!!!!!! - Gone are the days of Cossell, McCay, & baseball
coverage.


Cosell and McKay are both dead, so I can see why ABC doesn't use them any
longer.

=Z=
Back to top


    IP Logged
QCRamsFan
God Member




Posts: 1228
Gender:
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #28 - Yesterday at 17:55:20
I still think ABC isn't nearly as bad as Fox is. Specifically with their MLB
coverage (all the way to not letting their other games nor the 1p ET games in
EI), and their HEAVY NFC East bias.
Back to top


'Hello? You Play to Win The Game'- Herm Edwards
    IP Logged
tjguitar
Senior Member




Posts: 261
Re: ABC is a disgrace to sports on television!
Reply #29 - Yesterday at 22:08:47
Quote from falconswin19 on Yesterday at 14:43:24:
I have no comment about the HD telecast because I don't own or plan on owning an
HDTV.  However I do agree that I'm a bit tired of the same graphics and music
being used on ABC and ESPN.  I get tired of hearing and seeing that stuff all
day.  Using ESPN's production makes ABC look minor league.  ABC is the major
network and ESPN is the cable channel, but it's the latter that trumps the
former.  ABC's coverage, graphics and music should be unique to any other
network, cable or not.  ABC's coverage of sports is woefully behind the other
networks and they're oversaturating the ESPN brand and production style.

I do have to defend ABC on a few things though.  A lot of people who have to
work Saturdays might not have access to a cable TV so the highlights are helpful
to them.  I know they are to a friend of mine who works in a warehouse where
they only have one basic TV in the break room.  I'd just ask them to liven up
that studio a bit; the dark colors makes the whole presentation look dull.

Second, ABC is right to not switch over to another game after the prime time
game is over.  What's the difference between 11:20 and 11:22?  Four commercials.
The local ABC stations are probably glad big ABC didn't switch games because
that allowed local companies' ads to be shown during the local news or whatever
came up next.



I LOVE the synergy between ABC and ESPN.  And the only reason people knock it is
cause of nostalgia. ABC is branded with the worldwide leader, and maintaining
its own logo in the lower corner. It's a blessing to be associatied with ESPN,
not a curse.
Back to top


    IP Logged
   Pages: 1

The506 Broadcast Maps Forum › the506.com Forums › Other Sports
(Moderator: )  ‹ Previous topic | Next topic ›


The506 Broadcast Maps Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.1!
YaBB © 2000-2005. All Rights Reserved.

http://the506.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1257539729

He was considered uncritical to the point of failing to point out the obvious,
and sometimes thought dull. Schenkel, who rose to prominence in New York in the
1950s as the TV voice of the football Giants, was hired by ABC as its "big name"
sportscaster. (Jim McKay was considered not as well known, even though he hosted
Wide World of Sports.)
But Schenkel, when assigned to college football, which he considered purely
amateur, didn't want to criticize players. Former coach Bud Wilkinson was
similarly minded, so a quarterback who threw three interceptions wasn't pointed
out, even if it cost his team a game.
Additionally, Schenkel bend over backwards to make sponsors happy. Chevrolet was
(and is) a college football sponsor on ABC. One afternoon, Schenkel was calling
a Southern Medhodist game. He went out of his way to not use the SMU nickname,
Mustangs, lest someone think he was pushing a Ford product.
Still, as the announcer lists (you guys are amazing!) show, Schenkel and
Wilkinson remained ABC's No. 1 team through the early 1970s.
What really caused Schenkel's drop was the 1972 Munich Olympics. Schenkel, as he
had been at Grenoble and Mexico City in 1968, was ABC's prime-time host. Then
came the taking of Israeli hostages. Roone Arledge assigned McKay, who cut his
journalistic teeth at the Baltimore Sun, to anchor the live continuous coverage,
which ran all day in the U.S., and kept him in the lead chair when prime time
rolled around. Schenkel was on the set (along with Peter Jennings and Lou
Cioffi, ABC News' two Middle East correspondents, both of whom just happened to
be on vacation in Munich), but McKay led the way. Schenkel threw in a lame
comment every so often, but he just didn't fit.
After that, Keith Jackson, whom Arledge had screwed over after the 1970 NFL
season, failing to tell him in person that Frank Gifford was replacing him,
began to get better college football assignments. Schenkel was relegated to the
No. 2 game, then left college football entirely to concentrate on the Pro
Bowlers Tour (where he was beloved) and Wide World assignments.
But Schenkel should be known for one more thing. Back in the mid-1960s, his
friendship with fellow Hoosier Tony Hulman helped ABC land the deal to carry,
first on a 72-hour-plus delay, the Indianapolis 500. Before Schenkel schmoozed
Hulman, only 500 qualifying was seen on TV.



I echo what much of tvnut has to say about Schenkel. I have no idea about his
role as the Giants voice for CBS since that was before my recollection. My guess
is that he must have been a darn good pro football commentator, given his
prominence as the voice for the flagship team of the NFL. He also tutored a
young Pat Summerall and locally in New York, Frank Gifford. And they turned out
pretty well in the booth for quite some time. In reading some old newspaper
accounts from the end of 1964 when he left CBS to go full time to ABC, it did
get a lot of press.

The one thing about Schenk was his pipes. His deep baritone on the calls of any
sporting event was peerless. His voice was as good as you'd want to hear. EV-ER.

As mentioned, he did anchor several Olympics for ABC, and ironically, Munich
1972, prior to the Olympic Village horror, he was at his peak. Smooth, folksy
and in control. What happened at the village was out of his control. It was no
longer a sporting event, but an unfolding news event. When the incident first
happened early Munich time, Schenkel was in bed, as he hosted the prime time
Olympics telecast (8 PM - 11 PM eastern) live from Munich (2 AM - 5 AM German
time). Arledge decided to keep him in bed. Jim McKay was on his way to the
Olympiastadion to cover the track & field events. Arledge told him to skip that
since what was going on in the Israeli apartment was wiping out all events until
further notice. He reported from ABC studios in Munich all day long (or at least
until their share of the satellite transmission cut out (I think live satellite
feeds were still time alloted in 1972) and then again in the prime time hours
our time.

Schenkel's absolute refusal to criticize college athletes caused a lot of TV
critics to razz on him relentlessly (in particular the Chicago Tribune's Gary
Deeb, who never had a kind word for Schenkel).

I have to admit, I was a fan of Schenkel then and now.

Sometime in 1972-1973 or thereabouts, Sports Illustrated ran afeature article on
Schenkel. I'll dig thru the vault and post a link to it, once I find it.

Here is the link to the article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1086974/1/index.htm



Quote from timmy b on 11/07/09 at 07:59:02:

When the incident first happened early Munich time, Schenkel was in bed, as he
hosted the prime time Olympics telecast (8 PM - 11 PM eastern) live from Munich
(2 AM - 5 AM German time). Arledge decided to keep him in bed. Jim McKay was on
his way to the Olympiastadion to cover the track & field events. Arledge told
him to skip that since what was going on in the Israeli apartment was wiping out
all events until further notice.

According to Mc Kay's book The Real McKay, the incident occurred on a scheduled
off-day for McKay (the day between his gymnastics and track and field
assignments). McKay was actually relaxing in the hotel pool when he got word to
report to the studio (and he got ready so quickly that he still had his swim
trunks on underneath his clothes while he was on-air). Also, the scheduled
Olympic events were still going on when McKay first went on the air that day
which the book says was 1 pm Munich tune (7 am et). The IOC had originally
announced that the games would continue ("unbelievably" as McKay says in the
book). The IOC didn't suspend competition until later that day.



While searching through various newspaper archives, I also found a lot of
articles which criticized Schenkel for his pxp work on the NBA. I think
Schenkel's voice was somewhat of a monotone compared to other top announcers.
Also, I think he sometimes hesitated during in his pxp calls and could be slow
to identify players so it could seem that he lagged behind the  action a bit.
Perhaps his style was better suited to sports like golf and bowling than faster
paced action of basketball or football. In any event, this thread makes me
interested in watching the 1971 Neb-Okl telecast which I recently DVRed from
ESPN Classic to see how he called that game.



Jim Spence, Roone Arledge's longtime #2 man, wrote a book that isn't terribly
flattering to Arledge on a personal level--no one denies his genius at
television production--and Spence seems to consider Schenkel Exhibit A.  He
quotes Schenkel extensively on Arledge and ABC.  Schenkel was probably the
biggest name in sportscasting in the early 1960s and did indeed get a lot of
flak for refusing to be critical of college football players, but as Spence also
made clear, Schenkel simply fit in better with an earlier era, before the
approach of Howard Cosell--who once said that he knew of no one who had an
unkind word to say about Schenkel.  And, yes, the circumstances of Jackson's
departure from Monday Night Football and the addition of Frank Gifford ended up
helping Keith and hurting Chris--as did incredible overexposure.  It did the
same to Curt Gowdy.

In addition to helping ABC get the Indy 500, Schenkel also introduced Arledge to
the top people at Churchill Downs, where he had broadcast the Kentucky Derby for
CBS.  And that helped ABC get the Triple Crown.

I remember loving Gary Deeb's columns when I was a kid.  Then I got a little
older and noticed that the vitriol got at least as tiresome as Schenkel's
Pollyanna approach.

Gary Deeb could be brutal, and he got considerable flak in his own right

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/64053

By JOHN OURAND
Staff writer

Published November 09, 2009 : Page 22
Much of the talk in the sports media world last fall centered on whether an
effective competitor would step up to compete with ESPN.

ESPN had just outbid Fox by $100 million to secure the rights to college
football's Bowl Championship Series through 2014, thanks mainly to its dual
revenue stream that has cable and satellite operators making a monthly payment
of more than $4 per subscriber for the channel.

At the time, some sports league executives were fearful that ESPN would become a
de facto monopoly that eventually would wind up driving the cost of sports
rights down.

If a competitor were to emerge, it would have to do so between 2011 and 2014,
when the TV deals for the NFL, MLB, NASCAR, NHL and MLS expire.

Yet a full year after ESPN scored the BCS rights, that national sports
competitor still has not developed, and most network and league executives
contacted by SportsBusiness Journal are skeptical that anyone will come forward
to compete head-to-head with ESPN.


Network and league executives are skeptical if
anyone will come forward to compete head-to-
head with ESPN."But I see lots of competition around the fringes for ESPN," said
one league executive.

That means ESPN should expect to see lots of competition from various entities,
including the broadcasters, national cable networks, regional sports networks
and league-owned networks.

Broadcasters have a multi-pronged approach for competing with ESPN for sports
rights, starting with using retransmission consent rules to charge cable
operators as much as $1 per month to carry their local stations (see story, page
1). Networks plan to use some of that money to compete with ESPN on sports
rights.

But ESPN could see competition from some national cable networks. Some of these
networks, like FX and Versus, have a surcharge clause in some of their contracts
with small- to midsized cable operators (ones not named Comcast or Time Warner
Cable). The surcharge gives the channels the right to charge an additional fee
if they pick up rights to high-profile sports programming such as the NFL or the
Olympics.

FX and Versus included these clauses in contracts when they were considering
bidding on the NFL's Thursday night package, according to several cable sources.
NFL Network ultimately was awarded the package, but the surcharge language
remains in many of the contracts.

ESPN and NFL Network tacked on surcharges when they first acquired NFL
programming; Versus charged cable and satellite operators a surcharge in 2005
when it obtained rights to the NHL for the first time.

In NFL Network's case, it increased rates from about 25 cents per subscriber to
about 70 cents. Versus pushed for a smaller surcharge amount, though it demanded
to be moved to better tiers. Cable operators that didn't agree to the surcharges
had the live games blacked out on their systems.


Versus has clauses in some of its distribution
contracts that call for higher fees from cable
systems should the network pick up rights
to high-profile sports programs.Other competition could come from the
league-owned networks, even though all of them insist that they are not set up
to be competitors to any of their broadcast partners.

"We've always said that we're not in competition with the rights holders," said
Tim Brosnan, MLB's executive vice president of business.

He pointed to MLB's postseason as an example. "If you look at our network right
now, it is nothing more than an infomercial for the Fox and Turner broadcasts,"
he said. "I say that in a generous way. We are a barker right now for our two
networks."

The NFL's head of new media, Brian Rolapp, sees his league network in similar
terms. "I don't really see a competition," he said. "I don't see anybody
complaining about the ratings. It's all good for the football fan."

Others, however, believe the channels have the potential to be strong
competitors.

"You can see college conferences and league-owned networks continuing to create
new packages and new opportunities for networks to bid on their games," one
cable source said. "You can slice and dice this in such a way that everything
doesn't have to go to a mega national sports network like ESPN."

Who will step up?
  Broadcasters: They still command the biggest audiences and still have deep
pockets. As CBS and Fox begin charging cable operators for retransmission
consent, they will have more money to bid on sports rights.
  Turner Sports: David Levy rose through Turner's sports division and now
oversees all of Turner's sales and distribution. Does that mean TBS and TNT will
be more likely to increase their sports portfolio beyond MLB, NBA and NASCAR?
  Cable networks: USA has retreated from sports; FX doesn't hold any sports
rights; and Spike only dabbles in it. But they all have dual revenue streams
that are key to bidding for sports rights. Could one of them step up and pick up
a TV package?
  All-sports networks: Other than ESPN, Versus is the only player in this space
and given the size and scope of its owner, Comcast, it has enough money to
afford just about any rights package. Meanwhile, News Corp.'s Chase Carey said
Fox isn't planning to
  League-owned networks: Leagues own their own rights; leagues own their own
networks. Sure, they don't want to give up on the rights fees that networks are
paying. But it makes sense for them to grow their channels through packages of
live games.
While John Skipper, ESPN executive vice president, sees more competition in the
sports media space, he says the added competitors are not causing ESPN to change
the programming strategy it has employed for the past several years.

That means ESPN still plans to bid aggressively on high-profile sports rights
that encompass cable, broadband and wireless rights.

"We feel like the most important couple of things for us to do are to acquire
rights that allow us to move content around," Skipper said. "We don't buy games;
we buy content — both the games themselves on multiple platforms, the highlights
around them, and the rights to do other shows."

As Skipper picks up rights, he will make a renewed push to convince leagues that
the difference between ESPN and ESPN2 is diminishing. ESPN2 still lags ESPN
significantly in ratings, but Skipper says the difference is becoming lessened
as ESPN puts higher quality programming on ESPN2.

ESPN's affiliate team also has been trying to get the two channels placed next
to each other on cable and satellite systems.

"My goal is to have that be 48 hours of ESPN," Skipper said. "We used to say
that we'd never move `SportsCenter' to ESPN2. Now, we do sometimes."

With so many major sports rights coming due before 2014, Skipper says ESPN will
have to decide which rights to bid on and which to ignore. But he said that does
not represent a change from the past several years.

"We already have to pick and choose," Skipper said. "There are lots of things
that we'd like to have that we don't have."

He specifically mentioned baseball's postseason as something that is
"disappointing, in some ways, that we're not there."