So here is what i am wondering...........WHAT THE HELL IS ERICA THINKING
SHE CHOOSES JACK BUT SLEEPS WITH MIKE!!!!!!!!    I couldn't believe it.
Like Jack is that stupid.

Tanya

hi! i wanted to share with you my excitement of seeing my name in newsday
today! i was in lou dolinar's "plugged in"column about making your own web
pages!

Click Here: to read the entire article.
<A HREF="http://library.newsday.com/getdoc.cgi?id=113208467x0y22391&OIDS=1Q001
D008&Form=RL&bp=no">Your Document-Library @newsday.com</A>


  " Also in the design world is www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive
/3957/home.html by Katherine Holtzman, a West Islip interior designer.
Very ambitious, the site includes a mailing list and message board, and
the usual collection of bookmarks."
      Our old friend Susan Renner-Smith, in the education biz, has put
her own bookmarks on line at www.con2.com/srenners/index.htm. You'll get
some interesting ideas for local links at Stan Kid's rod and gun club
site,  at www.sunrisefarm.org, while one of the most professional sites
sent in belongs to student Dan McCleary at www.mcclearynet.com/.
     Finally, congrats to perhaps our  most unique publisher, David Land,
for his hernia page. No, seriously, this is exactly what the Internet is
for. Seems that when he was scheduled for the operation himself, he
could  "only find two personal pages regarding the subject, and I needed
to hear of other people's experiences for sanity and peace of mind."
Since then his two pages, located at pages .prodigy.com/hernia and
pages.prod igy.net/replyasap,  have grown to be popular public-service
sites where people can share their surgery experiences, ask questions of
people who have undergone surgery and share info.



Copyright 1998, Newsday Inc.

for a couple that i think has no chemistry whatever, they tried really hard in
yesterdays love scenes. but they still seemed like hormonal kids to me. but it
was a fun scene nonethe less.

i really liked jax secenes lately. yesteray with mac and with v. im glad to
see her so much lately.
katherine
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SOAP FAN'S PAGE</A>

Hi! My name is Linda Neisz. I watch PC, GH, OLTL, AMC, and DOOL. I'm
from Portland, Oregon. I'm 25.

Linda

Hi everyone!

My name is Brooke, I'm 19, and new to the list. My fave ABC soaps are GH
and OLTL. Hope to hear from ya soon! :o)

Hey all here is the gh gazette.







The GH Gazette

Dateline: Monday September 28th, 1998
==============================================
Table of Contents
Special Announcements.
1.Scoops and Spoilers
2.Talent on Tour
3.This weeks feature
4.Site updates
5.PC Scoops and Spoilers
6.PC Comings and Goings
7. The "GH Weekly Summary Poem"
==============================================
Special Announcements!
Don't forget to watch QVC today at 6:00 p.m., ET. Brad Maule will be selling the
new ABC Collection Line. Just one of the many items being sold is the 35th
Anniversary Collection Plaque. So set your watch for today!
Starting this week I'm adding something new. Section 7. The "GH Weekly Summary
Poem" written by Michelle Debra I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

Soap City Special Event is planned on October 3rd. Look for the live event
coverage of the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences Soap Opera Fair. Join
the stars from Days of Our Lives, General Hospital, The Young and The Restless,
Port Charles, Sunset Beach and The Bold and The Beautiful. For full details
visit
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/gi/pages/mevents.htm?viewType=e&evt_id=61865
Important Notice: For all you Ingo fans Please take note that Ingo Rademacher
will not be racing in the Alcatraz Race this October 3rd in Sausalito as
reported earlier this month.
The "Z" Society. Finally one of the greatest actress's on GH has her own fan
club.  This newly formed fan club in honor of Jackie Zeman is ran by Julius C.
Burnett. For more information you can write at:
Burnett
P.O. Box 2333
Clanton, AL 35046 or email at ZSOCIETY@...
==============================================
1. Scoops for the week September 28th, 1998.
V comforts Jax in his time of need
The Feds offer Jax a deal
Jax pleads guilty to his families crimes
Kat offers to buy Jax's ELQ stock
Monica tries to connect with Alan
Jason tells Mike he's left the mob
Robin breakdown in the cottage
Bobby tells Jason her concerns about Carly
Alexis gives Tony advise
Alan visits Jason. Can Jason help this time?
Jason informs AJ that Alan is still doing drugs.
AJ follows Alan to a drug buy
The Q's follow Alan only to find him with Tammy the hooker
Nikolas invites Laura to Wyndemere
Stefan and Laura remember the past
V quits her job
Maxie finds Lucas unconscious in the back yard
For more extensive scoops visit the scoops page at:
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/library/blscoops21.htm
Gedsterns Scoop page for all the latest in news, scoops, and rumors.
http://members.aol.com/Gedstern/index.html
http://members.aol.com/gedstern3/aida.html
==============================================
2. Talent on Tour
Brad Maule, Martha Byrne(Lily ATWT), Michael Park (Jack ATWT),  Joe Barbara (Joe
AW),Nadine Stenovitch (Josie AW), Jeff Phillips (Matt AW), and Kim Zimmer (Reva
GL) will host the 5th Annual Daytime Television Salutes St. Judes Research
Hospital Benefit. Marriott Marquis, NYC Oct.16th. For further information visit:
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/gi/pages/mevents.htm?viewType=e&evt_id=60798
Wheel of Fortune Watch Soap Opera Stars Week November 9-13, 1998 Ingo to be one
of
the stars participating. For more information visit:
http://www.spe.sony.com/tv/shows/wheel/soapdigest.html
Super Soap Weekend III for more information visit:
http://www.abc.com/soaps/news/notes/ssoap_index.html
You can also view an ongoing list of names attending the SSW at the bulletin
board.
General Hospital's  John J. York (Mac Scorpio), Becky Herbst (Liz Webber),
Jonathan Jackson (Lucky Spencer), Wally Kurth (Ned Ashton), Billy Warlock (AJ
Quartermaine), Jacklyn Zeman  (Bobbie Jones) and Brad Maule (Tony Jones).
Brad Maule will also be in Williamsburg, Va October 11. Will keep you posted as
word comes in.
The Ingo Rademacher Fan Club will hold their Second Annual Fan Club Luncheon on
Saturday, October 10 from 11AM to 4 PM at the Sheraton Oceanfront Hotel (36th
St. & Atlantic Ave), Virginia Beach, VA. The event is scheduled to include
autograph and picture opportunities with Ingo, audience participation games, an
auction, and a chance for one lucky guest to perform a scene with Ingo, which
will be videotaped and presented to the guest as a keepsake. Fans will also have
the chance to purchase Ingo merchandise
(Cash only).  Tickets are still available for $75.00 each, and you must be 13
years or older to attend. Check-in time for the Luncheon is 10AM.
Or visit the Official Home page at:
http://www.ingo.net/irfcluncheon/irfcluncheon.html
Tyler at Two Malls and a Dude Ranch two new events coming to New York. For all
the information you need is located at
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/library/blsoartyler.htm
Or visit the SOAR page at
http://members.aol.com/jaj3854/soar.html
Ingo to compete in the Angel Island Sea Trek Regatta in San Francisco on October
3rd at 10:00am PST For all the information needed to attend this event can be
found at:
http://www.citysearch7.com/E/E/SFOCA/0011/87/02/ or you can visit the IRFC's
homepage for details. http://members.aol.com/irfcevents/
==============================================
3. This weeks feature
Robin Flies the Coop is the title of this weeks feature article. Kimberly
McCullough has announced she is leaving General Hospital. What will this do the
upcoming story line with Sarah Brown (Carly) Some of the fans are up in arms.
Sign the petition and let Kimberly know how you feel. Ingo wins performer of the
week. In fact all but one vote was for Ingo. Way to go Ingo! Read what some of
the fans had to say on last weeks performance.
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/library/weekly/mcurrent.htm
==============================================
4. Site Updates
Added The Soap Opera Operative to the For Sale or Trade Category
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/Msubsale.htm
Added the Tape Trading Page to the For Sale or Trade Category
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/Msubsale.htm
Added the Save Kimberly McCullough to the campaign category
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/Msubcampaigns.htm
Come chat General Hospital. Chat room open 24-7 but scheduled chats are held on
Monday, Wednesday, and Friday nights at 10:00pm est.  Wednesday nights are
trivia. So bring along your trivia questions. For those who can't make the night
chats scheduled chats are also held on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons at
1:00pm.
http://generalhospital.miningco.com/mpchat.htm
==============================================
5. PC Scoops
Eve comes face to face with Frank on Jasmine Island
Lucy and Scott get lost in the middle of nowhere and come face to face with a
alligator
My goodness it's bad enough the dynamic duo are lost but now in a hurricane.
Kevin and Eve head to Florida
Victor uses his head to come up with a solution.
Lucy is knocked unconscious
Lucy's bump on the head sends her to the Wizard of Oz so to speak. While
unconscious she's dreams she's not in PC anymore.
Daily PC Audio Clip All clips updated after 6 PM EST
http://www.gopbi.com/communitylink/ghfc/soapupdate.html
==============================================
6. PC Comings and Goings
Starting this week a new face comes to Port Charles. Jeanne Mori will portray
Eve's lawyer.
==============================================
7. The "GH Weekly Summary Poem"
Our favorite boxcar was padlocked again.
So Lucky moved in with Liz Webber, his friend.
Our poor Mr. Jacks found himself in a cell.
I'd say that September's not serving him well.
But Alexis defending- now there's some good news!
If she's against Dara we know who'll lose.
>From a nude pic of her, Emily got a threat.
For some wacko wanted her bod on the net.
Jason and Robin got ready to go.
They moved to the cottage. (It was Brenda's, you know)
Back at PCPD Bobbie visited a friend,
But if you ask Tony that friendship should end.
And Lucas is nine. Wait, he's eight. Now he's three.
I hope someone'd notice if that happened to me!
So what happens next? Will we find out? We will.
Unless there's an update 'bout President Bill!
Michelle Debra
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In a message dated 9/28/98 10:56:17 AM EST, chacon@... writes:

<< One question.  What are spoilers and what is spoiler space?????
   >>
scoops about the show.

Gracias.


-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Mermelstein <mm0672a@...>
To: Arturo & Dianne Chacon <chacon@...>
Cc: ABCSoaps@onelist.com <ABCSoaps@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 2:30 PM
Subject: [ABCSoaps] Re: Hey


>From: Melanie Mermelstein <mm0672a@...>
>
>spoiler space is used to alert people to the fact that you are writing
>spoilers and that if someone doe snot want to read further they do not
>have to. Just leave a few lines blank like this write spoiler space and
>than leave a few lines blank with dash marks
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>and than write teh spoilers The spoilers are things coming up on a show
>that has not happened yet or not everyone has had the ability to watch
>yet depending on what part of the country or world they live in. I hope
>that helpled. Melanie
>
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spoiler space is used to alert people to the fact that you are writing
spoilers and that if someone doe snot want to read further they do not
have to. Just leave a few lines blank like this write spoiler space and
than leave a few lines blank with dash marks
|
|
|
|
|
and than write teh spoilers The spoilers are things coming up on a show
that has not happened yet or not everyone has had the ability to watch
yet depending on what part of the country or world they live in. I hope
that helpled. Melanie

Hi Leslie:

One question.  What are spoilers and what is spoiler space?????

Dianne in Mexico
     -----Original Message-----
     From: Leslie Langley <genhospt@...>
     To: abcsoaps@onelist.com <abcsoaps@onelist.com>
     Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 11:01 PM
     Subject: [ABCSoaps] Hey


     Hey Everyone,
              Iam the list owner. My name is Leslie.I just want to welcome
everyone and hope you enjoy the list. You can talk about anything to do with the
list. You can send spoilers about the shows as long as you use spoiler space.
You can just chat to if you like. I hope you all will start talking soon so the
list can get going. Well welcome and have fun.

                                                               Leslie

Leslie Langley wrote:

>  Hey Everyone,         Iam the list owner. My name is Leslie.I just
> want to welcome everyone and hope you enjoy the list. You can talk
> about anything to do with the list. You can send spoilers about the
> shows as long as you use spoiler space. You can just chat to if you
> like. I hope you all will start talking soon so the list can get
> going. Well welcome and have
> fun.                                                           Leslie

******
hi Leslie,
      Just joined your list recently. Hope there are some interesting
discussions on all my fav soaps.
     Chavala

Hi everyone, my name is Ellie and have just joined this list.Hope its fun and
am looking forward to chatting about one of my most favorite things to do.....
watch abc soaps.
Talk to yall soon
ellie( nicandreb@...)

Hey Everyone,
          Iam the list owner. My name is Leslie.I just want to welcome everyone
and hope you enjoy the list. You can talk about anything to do with the list.
You can send spoilers about the shows as long as you use spoiler space. You can
just chat to if you like. I hope you all will start talking soon so the list can
get going. Well welcome and have fun.

                                                           Leslie

Hello all,

My name is Sherrie-Lynne. I have just recently joined thanks to an
invitation. I highly appreciate the invite because I love to talk about
soaps. I'm an 18 year old college student. I watch PC, GH, and OLTL. I
used to watch AMC, but have recently gotten board with it. I hope I can
only add to the information and discussion of the list.

Sherrie-Lynne
@--->---

Hi I just joined the list. I have watched all the abc soaps since they
started on TV and have never left. Even if I don't like a story I stick
with it.
I live in upstate new york and am retired. I teach accounting part time
at the local community college.
This list seems like a great idea.

Right now my favorite show is OLTL. But that always changes from day to
day. What does everyone think about Todd and Blair leaving?
The show has been interesting but so sad. I think they need to bring
back some humor.

AMC I really like this new character Raquel.
What does everyone think?

Hope you all are having a good day.

Anita
read great short stories at:
www.justustaylor.com

GH::
It is confirmed:
GH: ABC confirms that Kimberly McCullough (Robin) is leaving the show.
McCullough joined the show in 1985, left in 1996 to go to college on the
East Coast, and returned to the show last year. Insiders tell TVGEN that her
departure is quite amicable, and McCullough is simply eager to pursue other
projects. A last airdate has not been determined, but McCullough is expected
to continue airing through the end of the year.
OLTL::
T'S OFFICIAL: HOWARTH TO LEAVE OLTL



  Until Wednesday, no one was sure whether Roger Howarth (Todd) was leaving

  One Life to Live. However, owing to rather volatile circumstances, Howarth

  will indeed depart later this year.



  Contract negotiations had dragged on for months, but a mutually beneficial

  end was in sight — until Wednesday, when the deal suddenly fell apart.

  Insiders tell TVGEN that Howarth engaged in unprofessional behavior while

  meeting with OLTL brass. A last airdate has not been determined, and the

  door is being left open for a possible return.



  A spokeswoman for ABC told TVGEN that the network doesn't comment on

  contract negotiations.

oops, wrong address...

Saturday, October 10

Ingo Rademacher (Jax, GH)

The Ingo Rademacher Fan Club will hold their Second Annual Fan Club
Luncheon on Saturday, October 10 from 11:00AM. - 4:00PM. at the Sheraton
Oceanfront Hotel (36th St. & Atlantic Ave) in Virginia Beach, VA. The
event is scheduled to include autograph and picture opportunities with
Ingo, audience participation games, an auction, and a chance for one
lucky guest to perform a scene with Ingo which will be videotaped and
presented to the guest as a keepsake. Fans will also have the chance to
purchase Ingo merchandise (cash only). Tickets are still available for
$75.00 each, and you must be 13 years or older to attend. Check-in time
for the Luncheon is 10:00AM. To purchase a ticket, send a money order in
U.S. FUNDS ONLY, and a SASE to: A&R Design, PO Box 2938, Blue Jay, CA
92317. You must submit a full name for each ticket being purchased. Make
money order payable to "A&R Design." You can also go the Luncheon web
site located at http://www.ingo.net/irfcluncheon/irfcluncheon.html for
more information on group rates for hotel and airfare. Tickets are
non-transferrable. Valid ID required at check-in.

Kathrine,
      Hi I am the list owner and Im glad you joined. If you would like to
send spoilers to the list about the soaps feel free just remember the
spoiler space. If you want to put the list on your site feel free to do so.
I hope you enjoy the list.

                                          Leslie
-----Original Message-----
From: Lukenlaura@... <Lukenlaura@...>
To: abcsoaps@onelist.com <abcsoaps@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 8:00 AM
Subject: [ABCSoaps] hi! new to list!


>From: Lukenlaura@...
>
>hi , im katherine aka lukenlaura@...
>thanks for the invite. i wanted to join or start a mailinglist for all abc
>soaps too. its a pain to not be able to post a question or comment about
>another show for fear of flames!
>im excited about this new list.
>i mainly watch gh & oltl, but i watch amc on occation and although i dont
>watch pc, i like to read the updates.
>please stop by and visit my page, which has additional pages for spoilers
and
>news. i if you have soap page send me the link and i ll add it.
>who is hosting this list? can i add the sub lik for this list? (i like to
ask
>first!)
>well, all, i look foward to all the new mail!
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hi , im katherine aka lukenlaura@...
thanks for the invite. i wanted to join or start a mailinglist for all abc
soaps too. its a pain to not be able to post a question or comment about
another show for fear of flames!
im excited about this new list.
i mainly watch gh & oltl, but i watch amc on occation and although i dont
watch pc, i like to read the updates.
please stop by and visit my page, which has additional pages for spoilers and
news. i if you have soap page send me the link and i ll add it.
who is hosting this list? can i add the sub lik for this list? (i like to ask
first!)
well, all, i look foward to all the new mail!
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SOAP FAN'S PAGE</A>

More from Gedstern's page



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Week of 9/28:

Ned has a surprise for his lady love
Nicholas invites his mother to Wyndemere
Katherine snoops in Ned's files, and later tries to buy Jax's ELQ stock
The Feds offer Jax immunity and some of his assets if he will testify against
his family. He refuses, and pleads guilty despite his innocence and Alexis'
objections.
Jax's fortune is frozen by the government, his reputation is ruined, but he
has done what he believes he had to to prevent his father from dying in jail
and Jerry from a life in prison or on the run. Jax is able to save the family
home in Alaska, but after he does that he disowns the Jacks family and decides
to start his life over, alone.

Mike suggests a new home to Lucky after Lucky rejects Laura's offer

AJ notices Alan is acting strangely again, and Alan sets up another date with
Tammy

Bobbie tells Jason she is worried about Carly's future, and Jason gets news
about Carly-- so on Oct 5, he goes to visit her

Later in the week of 10/5

V quits her job
Monica is intimidated by Tony
Laura and Stefan relive the past

I was wondering if anyone could give me a breif discription of what
happened on monday on AMC it was interrupted here in colorado for that
clinton thing. Thanks in advance to whoever emails me back
Tanya

I don't know about everyone else but I thought that the episode when
everybody found out that Brenda was dead was a real tear jerker. I cried
more than I have in a long time.  I feel; so bad for Jax he doesn't
deserve this.

Here are the latest SPOILERS from Gedstern's page!!  Enjoy!!!




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Monday, Sept 21: Bobbie seeks romantic advice from Felicia after Jerry's
arrest. Jax is taken into custody by the FBI

Tues, Sept 22: Robin and Jason make a new plan for their life together.
Katherine walks in on Alexis and Ned and realizes the extent of their
relationship

Wed, Sept 23: Bobbie is stunned by Jerry's confession-- and her own reaction
to it

Thurs, Sept 24: Alexis bails Jax out at Ned's request and becomes his lawyer

Fri, Sept 25: Emily learns about Liz' rape. Nik and Lucky work together for
Emily. Jax skips on his bail and Jason says goodbye to Sonny's Penthouse

In Depth:

Katherine is a busy bee again this week as she has her nose into a variety of
other people's business! First, she comes upon Ned and Alexis and realizes
their personal relationship! Then, she seriously considers helping Jax out
financially by purchasing his ELQ stock! Could she be considering turning on
the Quatermaines again by assuming control of their company? She also gets
Nikolas to wondering just what his mother and uncle are hiding from him. Will
he learn the truth this week?

Lucky has to find himself new digs after Taggert catches him in the boxcar
with Liz and Taggert tells him to move on like right now! So, Liz asks her
grandmother if Lucky could please move in with them.. into Sarah's room.
Audrey agrees, on a very temporary basis-- she gives Lucky one week. Lucky
also will be getting a new job, as Jason asks him to come work at the
motorcycle shop--where he is going to work with Marco!

When Emily receives a blackmail threat about the nude pix of her, Nikolas and
Lucky team up to help her out. Nik gets Lucky to get to work on the Internet
to catch the blackmailer. This could be the beginning of a new alliance
between the half brothers.

Elsewhere, Jax is in shock: Brenda is dead, his family has betrayed him and he
is in FBI custody! His money is gone, his lover is gone, and his family was
not truthful with him. What does he have left to count on? Why his good friend
Venus of course! Venus goes to Ned, and asks him to please, for Brenda's sake
bail Jax out of prison. Ned agrees, and goes one step further-- he gets Alexis
to become Jax' attorney. Jax, however, is so dismayed that he skips bail and
goes to Malibu to properly grieve for Brenda. V, meanwhile, has words with Mac
over the handling of the whole Jacks family situation at this time of crisis
for Jax.

Bobbie is distraught over Lucas' reaction to Jerry's arrest. She is worried
for his health. Stress can affect diabetes. She visits Jerry at the prison and
discusses his responsiblity towards Lucas. Jerry is deeply affected and
confesses to her that he had set the fire that nearly cost Lucas his life this
summer. Bobbie is stunned-- but more so by her feelings of forgiveness towards
this man. She somehow respects his honesty, but is very confused by her own
reaction. She goes to talk to Felicia, and realizes that she is in fact, in
love with Jerry. A threat looms elsewhere, in the form of Tony, who wants his
son back and sees Jerry's situation as an opportunity to gain ground in that
area of his life.

Felicia is also trying to be a shoulder to lean on for Mac, who is upset over
Jax's situation and the fact that Jason has walked away scot free.

Taggert is watching Justus' penthouse, just when Moreno leaves... he later
rejects Dara's attempt to resume their relationship.

Week of 9/28:

Ned has a surprise for his lady love
Stefan tries to forge a new relationship with Katherine, who remains cool to
him
Monica tries to reestablish a bond with Alan
Jax makes plans for to start over

I haven't watched the shows for today except GH yet so I haven't seen
what happened on AMC today but I will soon. As far as who was in the car
with Brenda it was her mother Veronica

They showed Palmer today. He was at some INN, complaining about the
drink he had. I knew that was staged.
<p>
Who was Brenda with when the car was wrecked on GH? I don't get to watch
GH that much. My kids come home from school at 3:00, right when it
starts.
Robin

I am not sure how many are on this list but I agree with you that the
shows are all hot right now with Brenda being killed on GH, Drew on OLTL
and  supposedly Palmer on AMC but i think that wont wast long.

How many people are in this group?  OLTL is pretty hot these days, with
Drew getting killed . How long do you think it will take them to figure
Barbara did it?
Thanks for writting back so quick,
Robin

Welcome,. I am also new to the list I just found out about this place
this week so I am new at all of this mailign list stuff. I am in love
with One Life to Live and GH and also AMC butt I don't really watch PC.
I have enough shows to keep track of as it is. Hope to chat with
everyone soon.

Hi, my name is Robin, I start college on the 5th of Oct. so I'll miss my
soaps. Hopefully you all can fill me in on what I miss.
I LOVE all the ABC soaps, AMC is my fav. I will admitt I do watch Sunset
Beach at times, but it has nothing compared to GH!
Hope we'll have a good "soap" relationship.
Later,
Robin